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We have the parameter "Precursor" in our anatomy infoboxes. So we can easily add information about embryology to the infoboxes of articles (see eg [[Podocyte]]), and then add a list on [[Mesoderm]]?. I just can't see how this template is useful for navigation. If a user is interested in mesoderm, they will just go to that article. To be clear, I'm not proposing this navbox for deletion, but I'd like the opinions of other editors as to what could be done. --[[User:LT910001|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:LT910001|talk]]) 02:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC) |
We have the parameter "Precursor" in our anatomy infoboxes. So we can easily add information about embryology to the infoboxes of articles (see eg [[Podocyte]]), and then add a list on [[Mesoderm]]?. I just can't see how this template is useful for navigation. If a user is interested in mesoderm, they will just go to that article. To be clear, I'm not proposing this navbox for deletion, but I'd like the opinions of other editors as to what could be done. --[[User:LT910001|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:LT910001|talk]]) 02:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC) |
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:Also, at a future day I'd love to integrate such data with Wikidata so we can have a clickable tree of the embryological structures. --[[User:LT910001|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:LT910001|talk]]) 02:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC) |
:Also, at a future day I'd love to integrate such data with Wikidata so we can have a clickable tree of the embryological structures. --[[User:LT910001|Tom (LT)]] ([[User talk:LT910001|talk]]) 02:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC) |
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== Permit [[WP:Red links]] in [[WP:Navboxes]]? == |
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Opinions are needed on the following matter: [[Wikipedia talk:Red link#Proposal regarding redlinks in navigation templates]]; subsection is at [[Wikipedia talk:Red link#Revision proposal]]. A [[WP:Permalink]] for the matter is [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Red_link&diff=667586209&oldid=667585762#Proposal_regarding_redlinks_in_navigation_templates here]. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 06:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC) |
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Inculusion of UBERON ID is requested at Infobox_Anatomy
Inclusion of IDs of Uberon (multi-species anatomy ontology) from Wikidata (d:Property talk:P1554) into {{Infobox anatomy}} is requested at Template talk:Infobox anatomy. Any comments or questions are welcome. --Was a bee (talk) 07:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks, that sounds very useful, in particular because it is inter-species. Is the wikidata side of things already filled out? I've had a look at Head ([1]), fascinating. --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:35, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Tagging anatomy and sexual talk pages with Template:Reliable sources for medical articles
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#Tagging anatomy and sexual talk pages with Template:Reliable sources for medical articles. A WP:Permalink for the discussion is here. Flyer22 (talk) 07:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
- A little late to comment on this one but all I do wish these public service announcement-like edits were accompanied by edits to the content of the articles themselves. --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
- Somewhat delayed response here, sorry. Yes I don't think it helps the articles but it feels good to tell other users how it should be done. On the other hand I admit said boxes may be (theoretically) useful. --Tom (LT) (talk) 02:09, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Mesentery
There has for some time been a proposal to merge Mesentery and Transverse mesocolon. Neither of these articles is about the word "mesentery" in general, they are about a particular, important example of a mesentery. I would not like to perform the merger myself because I do not know enough about the topic. However, I would like to see the merger done because I want to free up the use of the word "Mesentery" to cover the word's much more comprehensive use in other parts of the animal kingdom. At the moment, if I want to mention a mesentery in a sea anemone or a segmented worm, there is no suitable article to link to. Any suggestions on how best this can be dealt with? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
- I suggest refer to Mesentery#Other animals or Mesentery#Worms or something like this for the moment - this would be consistent with the general structure we use for articles - unless you are about to upload a lot of content. We had a one-time use who uploaded articles about the separate mesenteries, but if you have a read they could be greatly simplified as they are full of pointlessly technical language ("The principle of mesenteric contiguity helps conceptualize several heretofore unresolved anatomic issues"). I hope that helps. --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks. I will do what you suggest. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:52, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
New article on anatomical variation: extensor medii proprius muscle
A new article on an anatomical variant in the hand, extensor medii proprius muscle, has been created a while ago. If possible, please help expand the articles on anatomical variations. Very little has been done in the topic. I will try to compile the list of variations, perhaps more systematically (by region e.g., back, abdomen, lower limb, etc.). We can start from there. --Athikhun 10:49, 25 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Athikhun.suw (talk • contribs)
- Thanks Athikhun.suw, it's always good to have more editors on board. I'll see if I can expand those articles as I encounter them. Ping to CFCF who's previously expressed an interest in this area. Cheers, --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:30, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, and welcome Athikhun.suw! I haven't seen you around before, but I'm very glad to see a new face. Actually I created a list about a year ago at List of anatomical variations. It's very rudimentary, and doesn't include a fraction of what are documented variations, but it's a start. I've tried to organize it according to: accessory, missing or plainly variant features, which at least to me makes some sense. If we quickly want to expand it there should be lists available in the literature, I will check. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 22:36, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- I found this atlas resource: http://www.anatomyatlases.org/AnatomicVariants/AnatomyHP.shtml
- Was a bee do you know if this type of resource could be added to Wikidata? A large part of the work is essentially a list, which as far as I understand isn't under copyright. So if we were to exclude the definitions or rewrite them, would it be permissible? I'm sure many of these aren't included in the TA, and many would not be presently on Wikipedia as is either. Could we import this to Wikidata to create a list? -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 22:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Interesting website! From that they say "feel free to link" at FAQ#5, and URL is generally not coptrighted, I think it is possible to include correspondent linking URL to each Wikidata page. Only problem is, I suppose, that they have about 3,500 pages (I counted by using tool. See User:Was_a_bee/AnatomyAtlases). Many pages. And there is no clear relations between URL and its subject. So if we include linking URL, we should add each URL manually one by one (to say, automatic adding-process would not be possible). IMO, for the situation for now (small numbers of variation articles), I feel that making "external link template" for AnatomyAtlases.org (e.g. Template:AnatomyAtlases) and putting it at "External links section" of each articles would be better. If template-links stacked hundreds or thousands, it is not so difficult to transfer whole linking-URL data into Wikidata (by bot scripts like harvest_template.py and so on). --Was a bee (talk) 16:50, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, and welcome Athikhun.suw! I haven't seen you around before, but I'm very glad to see a new face. Actually I created a list about a year ago at List of anatomical variations. It's very rudimentary, and doesn't include a fraction of what are documented variations, but it's a start. I've tried to organize it according to: accessory, missing or plainly variant features, which at least to me makes some sense. If we quickly want to expand it there should be lists available in the literature, I will check. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 22:36, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
On a side note, would an annular pancreas be considered a variation or a pathology? The article seems to present it as purely pathological, which is different from what I learned. Sources seem to be rather weak, with one from 1975. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 08:38, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
- Most variations lie in a gray area, and I'm sure (without having a comprehensive list in my head) most involving the GIT have the potential to be pathological. EG even the infamous Meckel's diverticulum is not always a cause of pathology yet is styled as one here. That said in my understanding annular pancreas is a non-pathological variation most of the time, so if there are no strong objectors we could style is as an anatomy article. If that's the case should we do the same to Accessory spleen? --Tom (LT) (talk) 01:10, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
- I added more more variations in the hand extensor compartment to the list since it is one of those areas which are highly varied. I agree with Tom (LT) that some variations lie in the grey area, i.e., whether they are variation or pathology. Apart from that, classification is another problem. Recently, I encountered a variation of the left marginal artery (of the heart) originating directly from the aorta. However, such a variation can also be described as an accessory coronary artery giving rise to the left marginal artery. It is hard to decide which one to use because both descriptions are acceptable. One more thing, I believe that the varying features of a structure can be added to the existing article under a new heading (e.g., variations) rather than creating a new article explaining the features. What do you think? --Athikhun (talk) 03:37, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
A series of "embedded navboxes" are present within all anatomical navboxes. These provide links to templates within a relevant area -- for example, all cardiovascular disease-related templates are linked alongside cardiovascular anatomy and treatment templates. This is designed to help readers navigate a large amount of medically-related articles grouped by template. This was previously announced here. The set of templates are here: Template:Medicine navs and during editing many anatomical editors have provided feedback.
Deletion has been proposed for one such template {{Infestation navs}}, with a stated view to deleting the entire set. That discussion is here: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2015_May_29#Template:Infestation_navs, please contribute. --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:29, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
Authority control
There is a bot, KasparBot, which has been busy putting "authority control" templates on many anatomical articles. See eg Blood–brain barrier, which now has an authority control box. My question is... should we consider moving much of the information out of the infobox identifiers section into the authority control box? --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
- Ping to Was a bee who is active in this area.
- Interesting idea. As far as I see {{Authority control}} template, this templates treats basically large scale controlled vocabulary. So, for example, I feel "Gray's anatomy page data" and so on, would not suit for this template. But I think there is one important candidate for Authority control from our field, that is MeSH terms. If MeSH terms added to Authority control template, the template appearance would become something like this (see the most right part). --Was a bee (talk) 09:40, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good point, not all of the identifiers are useful. I agree MeSH is one such useful identifier. What about UBERON, which you recently proposed? --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- Hm, I didn't think about UBERON. Because it doesn't have direct linkage to library or book data. But it is huge cross reference of many anatomy terminologies and ontologies. In that sense, perhaps UBERON is good candidate in Authority control template. --Was a bee (talk) 14:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good point, not all of the identifiers are useful. I agree MeSH is one such useful identifier. What about UBERON, which you recently proposed? --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:41, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
I am proposing the List of images and subjects in Gray's Anatomy lists of images to be deleted. The discussion is here and I invite comments: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of images in Gray's Anatomy. This proposal will not affect the availability of any of the images and just refers to the pages listed. --Tom (LT) (talk) 03:40, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Wow, already closed.As you say, I also feel that this type of list is difficult to say encyclopedic content. But at the same time, I have used similar image list many times, the image list for Sobotta by CFCF, to find wanted image. So, if list covers all images in single page, I think such list can be helpful for editors, rather than readers. Therefore I tried make similar list for Gray's Anatomy in my userspace (User:Was a bee/Gray). I wonder if it is useful for editors that there are links to this kind of image lists in the project page. --Was a bee (talk) 14:12, 12 June 2015 (UTC)- @Was a bee such a list would be useful. There's a commons category here: Commons:Category:Gray's Anatomy plates with a much larger collection of Gray's Anatomy-related images.--Tom (LT) (talk) 07:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Variations of a normal anatomical structure
Varied features of a structure can be added to the existing article as a new heading. An example can be seen here, extensor indicis muscle. Perhaps we can do this for all anatomical structures that exhibit variations. What do you think? -Athikhun (talk) 04:12, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- Good idea, Athikhun.suw. In fact we generally put 'Variations' as a subheading of the 'structure' section (see eg Gallbladder). For most articles the recommended structure can be found at WP:MEDMOS#Anatomy. Cheers --Tom (LT) (talk) 04:16, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
- As some watching this page know, I only add subheadings when needed; I cannot stand subheadings for a little bit of material, and am quick to cite MOS:Paragraphs on that matter. Flyer22 (talk) 04:23, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Can someone look at this and figure out what's what? --NeilN talk to me 04:57, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Alphabetical list of Gray's Anatomy subjects
I propose deletion for our alphabetised lists of Gray's Anatomy 1918 subjects here: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Anatomy/List of subjects in Gray's Anatomy. Comments invited. --Tom (LT) (talk) 07:05, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Template:Human cell types derived primarily from mesoderm
My question is: is this navbox useful?
We have the parameter "Precursor" in our anatomy infoboxes. So we can easily add information about embryology to the infoboxes of articles (see eg Podocyte), and then add a list on Mesoderm?. I just can't see how this template is useful for navigation. If a user is interested in mesoderm, they will just go to that article. To be clear, I'm not proposing this navbox for deletion, but I'd like the opinions of other editors as to what could be done. --Tom (LT) (talk) 02:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
- Also, at a future day I'd love to integrate such data with Wikidata so we can have a clickable tree of the embryological structures. --Tom (LT) (talk) 02:16, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Wikipedia talk:Red link#Proposal regarding redlinks in navigation templates; subsection is at Wikipedia talk:Red link#Revision proposal. A WP:Permalink for the matter is here. Flyer22 (talk) 06:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)