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Hi all, I'm the reviewer of one of the offending articles in the "Troublesome trend" thread above. The main editor became busy due to real life commitments, and I didn't feel like failing the review. Today I expanded the article to include some more recent literature, so I think it now looks ok in terms of "Broad coverage". I was hoping another reviewer could come along and check the other criteria, as I've fiddled with it too much to be impartial now :) Thanks, [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 21:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC) |
Hi all, I'm the reviewer of one of the offending articles in the "Troublesome trend" thread above. The main editor became busy due to real life commitments, and I didn't feel like failing the review. Today I expanded the article to include some more recent literature, so I think it now looks ok in terms of "Broad coverage". I was hoping another reviewer could come along and check the other criteria, as I've fiddled with it too much to be impartial now :) Thanks, [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 21:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC) |
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*Will do. [[User talk:Ucucha|Ucucha]] 03:53, 17 March 2010 (UTC) |
*Will do. [[User talk:Ucucha|Ucucha]] 03:53, 17 March 2010 (UTC) |
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== Edit War == |
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The edit war on this page needs to stop. I'm tired of constantly having edit conflicts when I try to nominate articles. Thank you.--[[User:William S. Saturn|William S. Saturn]] ([[User talk:William S. Saturn|talk]]) 22:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC) |
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The above article has been under review since 11 December 2009, with a second opinion requested since 16 December 2009. Despite three second opinions, the reviewer Wandalstouring has not commented on the review page Talk:Philip the Arab and Christianity/GA1 since 18 January 2010, and hasn't edited Wikipedia since 7 February 2010. What to do? Jezhotwells (talk) 11:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'd suggest having one of the other reviewers revisit with the purpose of closing it. I did a similar action with The Kindly Ones (Littell novel) after the original reviewer disappeared, and ended up passing the article. María (habla conmigo) 13:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I looked at the article for three days and failed it. That should probably have been done two months ago. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- I have alsom picked up the same editor's review of Ulysses S. Grant presidential administration scandals. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:25, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I looked at the article for three days and failed it. That should probably have been done two months ago. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:27, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I am the original nominator. I have now brought the article to GAR. G.W. (Talk) 14:32, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm just letting you all know that I'm unable to contribute to wikipedia from March 31 to April 7 due to a school trip. Would it be possible for this article to be reviewed at least a week before this date so I'm able to adress any issues the article may have before the trip, or maybe have the review just after it? This is because I don't want it failed after three months waiting for a review and then have to renominate it again, which I hope you agree is understandable. Thanks Kitchen roll (talk) 13:39, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- I have left a note on the article talk page, thanks for letting us know. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 19:15, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Cheers Kitchen roll (talk) 17:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Troubling trend?
I've noticed a worrying, to me at least, trend in regards to the GAN backlog. As of earlier today, we had around 440 good article nominations. Huge yes, but that's not what worries me. From that, we have 39 on hold and 40 under review. Again, not worrying itself. What worries me is the gap from those numbers to the GAs being passed or failed. Out of the 39 on hold, 24 have been on hold over a week, with 14 on hold over three weeks. Out of the 40 under review, 20 have been under review over a week, with four of them being so for over 45 days. This is to me what's creating the backlog, as GAN is not for articles that might be good in three months; it's for articles that could be good now. Having a couple that are going long due to time constraints on one side or the other is fine. Even hitting the month mark is understandable sometimes. But for over half of them to be going over a week, that's something we have to start nipping in the bud. For ones where the reviewer disappeared, we'll have to find people to pass/fail the obvious ones, and re-review the unsure ones. For ones where the article writer disappeared, fail it; they can re-nom it later when they return. By keeping these on hold forever, it main the review process appear far more painful than it is. Maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion, but come on. When you review an article, note the corrections, when you're done you pass it, if it's not you fail it. No reason for them to go on for months at a time, especially when articles like Parliament of Singapore have been sitting there waiting for a real review. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with those concerns. I have left notes on reviewer talk pages, as have others including Wizardman. Should we consider crafting a guideline? –– Jezhotwells (talk) 19:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- A guideline would be helpful. Would we be looking at a hard time limit for finishing reviews? I would be fine with that though I could see others having problems with it. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 00:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Something could be added to WP:RGA. Geometry guy 00:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I think it partly depends on the topic, e.g. a country or an importance sea (e.g. Talk:North Sea/GA1) may need 3 weeks on hold even if the comment per char is the same. We may also need a "difficult topic", e.g. in some maths topics. In addition we need to allow for RL, as nominators have no idea how long a article can wait in the queue. If we can use simple formulae for comment per char and difficulty of topic, and ask the nominator to declare RL delays at the start of the review, the reviewer and nominator will have a good idea of how much time is required. --Philcha (talk) 03:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- That could be a possibility. I can understand major articles taking a while (I haven't poked Ecology, for example, since I understand that'll take a while to finish reviewing) I do have something to start though as a proposal. After 30 days, if an article is under review with no mention of why there is a delay, the article must either be passed, failed, put on hold, or the review tag removed. From there we can see what we want to do in terms of the hold tag and other deadlines. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I think it partly depends on the topic, e.g. a country or an importance sea (e.g. Talk:North Sea/GA1) may need 3 weeks on hold even if the comment per char is the same. We may also need a "difficult topic", e.g. in some maths topics. In addition we need to allow for RL, as nominators have no idea how long a article can wait in the queue. If we can use simple formulae for comment per char and difficulty of topic, and ask the nominator to declare RL delays at the start of the review, the reviewer and nominator will have a good idea of how much time is required. --Philcha (talk) 03:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Something could be added to WP:RGA. Geometry guy 00:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- A guideline would be helpful. Would we be looking at a hard time limit for finishing reviews? I would be fine with that though I could see others having problems with it. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 00:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with those concerns. I have left notes on reviewer talk pages, as have others including Wizardman. Should we consider crafting a guideline? –– Jezhotwells (talk) 19:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I do agree with these sentiments, though I'm partially to blame with four articles currently on hold since late February. Though I had to go out of town for two weeks in March and am now back, so I plan to wrap these up shortly.
- If we look at WP:FAC, I think we'll find that most articles are only there four about three weeks (max), and that's supposed to be far more rigorous than GAN. I've seen some articles in the past on hold for two to three months, which is far too long, IMHO (see World War II (which finally did pass, though it took long enough). WTF? (talk) 02:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
I have taken over this review as the original reviewer, although active in other parts of Wikipedia, has not responded to comments and the review has been marked as needing a 2nd opinion, which it has been given, since 16 February. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 07:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Article failed due to OR, lack of citing, copyvio on images, poor prose, should have been quick-failed probably. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 03:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Three months and still no full review. Can someone review it please, ideally swiftly? Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
2nd Opinion/review at Streptococcus iniae
Hi all, I'm the reviewer of one of the offending articles in the "Troublesome trend" thread above. The main editor became busy due to real life commitments, and I didn't feel like failing the review. Today I expanded the article to include some more recent literature, so I think it now looks ok in terms of "Broad coverage". I was hoping another reviewer could come along and check the other criteria, as I've fiddled with it too much to be impartial now :) Thanks, Sasata (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Will do. Ucucha 03:53, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Edit War
The edit war on this page needs to stop. I'm tired of constantly having edit conflicts when I try to nominate articles. Thank you.--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2010 (UTC)