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I am still in the woods as for what evidence I can present, but I want to agree with Sandstein (in his evidence comment) - I don't see him is a party here. Too many people are going to get heavily wikistressed over this case, I'd ask ArbCom not to cause any unnecessary wikistress to people like Sandstein who have no involvement in this case (IMHO). A quick glance at the parties also makes me puzzled on the inclusion of Future Perfect at Sunrise, whom I'd also suggest to be removed. --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 16:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC) |
I am still in the woods as for what evidence I can present, but I want to agree with Sandstein (in his evidence comment) - I don't see him is a party here. Too many people are going to get heavily wikistressed over this case, I'd ask ArbCom not to cause any unnecessary wikistress to people like Sandstein who have no involvement in this case (IMHO). A quick glance at the parties also makes me puzzled on the inclusion of Future Perfect at Sunrise, whom I'd also suggest to be removed. --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 16:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC) |
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: I already e-mailed the committee to say I don't see myself as involved either. My practical involvement in the affair was essentially restricted to forwarding that link to them. I don't see that makes me "involved" even in the purely formal sense of a "filing party". I could have imagined taking some initiatives in the matter on the community level, as we did back in the CAMERA case, but now that the arbs have taken the matter into their own hands, I have no intention of involving myself with it any further. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 16:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC) |
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Unusual case requires unusual procedures
I don't think a normal evidence page will work in this case. The question is not, are there factions that edit war with each other? This is abundantly clear from prior cases and enforcement requests. Rather, Arbcom needs to know is whether private messages resulted in on-wiki disruption. For example, if users Alfa, Bravo and Charlie were planning on taunting Delta to provoke Delta into making a blockable outburst or edit war, did this in fact happen? Or if Echo, Foxtrot and Golf coordinated a revert war against Hotel, did it work? But the mailing list messages will not be shared with the community, so how to present relevant evidence? I suggest dispensing with the normal evidence format. Instead, Arbcom will review the private messages and post a series of questions based on the messages, asking the community to verify whether the actions and plans described in the messages actually resulted in on-wiki edits, blocks, disruptive behavior, and so forth. Thatcher 01:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- I guess they can say "Committee, refer to the email sent from User:Example at XX/YY/ZZ at AA:BB:CC, then compare to the swarm of participants of the mailing list who suddenly appeared in the next 12 hours to assist with reverting and protecting" (this is purely hypothetical). But I'll leave it to Committee members to respond more definitively, as my setting up of the case page was simply at what I implied their direction to be. Daniel (talk) 01:32, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't expect the evidence page will see a great deal of use given the private nature of most of the likely evidence; but it's important that it be made available nonetheless given that not all evidence will be private in nature.
In the interest of transparency, as much of this case needs to take place in public as possible. — Coren (talk) 01:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
(Also note the different /Workshop format). — Coren (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- I see what you're doing there but I think that is more appropriate to an evidence page, especially if you are going to allow non-parties to participate (in essence, crowd-sourcing the discovery phase). Thatcher 01:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
On who is the party
I am still in the woods as for what evidence I can present, but I want to agree with Sandstein (in his evidence comment) - I don't see him is a party here. Too many people are going to get heavily wikistressed over this case, I'd ask ArbCom not to cause any unnecessary wikistress to people like Sandstein who have no involvement in this case (IMHO). A quick glance at the parties also makes me puzzled on the inclusion of Future Perfect at Sunrise, whom I'd also suggest to be removed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- I already e-mailed the committee to say I don't see myself as involved either. My practical involvement in the affair was essentially restricted to forwarding that link to them. I don't see that makes me "involved" even in the purely formal sense of a "filing party". I could have imagined taking some initiatives in the matter on the community level, as we did back in the CAMERA case, but now that the arbs have taken the matter into their own hands, I have no intention of involving myself with it any further. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)