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I notice that all wine-related articles have been blitz-tagged with a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink]] template on their talk pages. My first observation is that for talk pages already tagged with [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wine]], this new template should go below that template, since the wine project is more relevant; however, it is being added above it. My second observation is to question whether or not this template is even desired. Is not the wine project ''more'' relevant? Is there something in WikiProject guidelines that addresses this issue? I see it as counterproductive to have two WikiProject templates on an article talk page, both with different assessment ratings. But this seems to be common practice, I guess; however, I do strongly think these pages should be adjusted so that the wine project template is on top. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] ([[User talk:Merzbow|talk]]) 07:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC) |
I notice that all wine-related articles have been blitz-tagged with a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink]] template on their talk pages. My first observation is that for talk pages already tagged with [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wine]], this new template should go below that template, since the wine project is more relevant; however, it is being added above it. My second observation is to question whether or not this template is even desired. Is not the wine project ''more'' relevant? Is there something in WikiProject guidelines that addresses this issue? I see it as counterproductive to have two WikiProject templates on an article talk page, both with different assessment ratings. But this seems to be common practice, I guess; however, I do strongly think these pages should be adjusted so that the wine project template is on top. - [[User:Merzbow|Merzbow]] ([[User talk:Merzbow|talk]]) 07:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC) |
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I have recently modified the {{tl|WPFOOD}} banner so that it supports this project. I did this to unite all the food related projects under a uniform banner as well as cut down on the number of banners that appear at the top of each article talk page. |
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Just add the ''|Wine=yes'' switch to any <nowiki>{{WPFOOD}}</nowiki> tag at the top of the article talk page and you will get this: |
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{{WPFOOD |wine=yes}} |
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As you can see, this project is prominently displayed in the banner, and I can add any custom text you would like. |
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;With nesting function - |
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currently there is an issue with it not displaying the second name in the nested function. |
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If there is any questions, please post them not on my page but on the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink/Banners|WPFood banner talk page]]. Other modifications can be made to the template to allow for custom alterations to the template. |
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As for the banner, there is currently a bot going through and tagging food and beverage categories. |
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--[[User:Jerem43|Jeremy]] (<small> [[User Talk:Jerem43|Blah blah...]]</small>) 09:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC) |
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Dumb phase: neologism or wine term?
I was thinking of creating an article on the term "dumb phase" but was surprise when I couldn't find any authoritative reliable sources, outside of blogs which really aren't that great. I could possibly put together a piecemeal article but it might be at risk of being AfD as a neologism (even though it really isn't new). Do you think its worth trying to make an article or should we just make an entry at Glossary of wine terms and leave it there? My main concern about the later is that eventually someone is going to come around to these glossary articles and either start demanding sources for these types of articles or AfDing them because "Wikipedia is not a dictionary, glossary or something". I'd rather not leave semi/important wine terms only existing on those kind of pages. AgneCheese/Wine 21:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- My gut feel is that it shouldn't be a standalone article. At the very least it's got WP:CSB issues, this side of the pond we'd talk about a wine being "closed". I'd suggest a broader article on "wine maturation" or something similar, which would allow you to talk about more tangible things like the polymerisation of tannin molecules and the like, rather than a purely subjective, sensory "experience". You could also incorporate otherwise stubby definition articles such as Bottle-shock, and talk a bit about barrels and what not as well. FlagSteward (talk) 23:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- I'm often going through dumb phases myself, but I would more commonly call a wine "closed". Could it perhaps go into wine tasting? Tomas e (talk) 11:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Boy this article needs some major work. Unfortunately I don't have any sources on Maryland wine to improve it with references and content. But at the very least it needs some major POV and wiki clean up. Any thoughts? AgneCheese/Wine 18:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
- Update I did some clean up but looking at the article's history, its been pretty heavily editing recently by some SPA who are at the very least wiki newbies. While I don't think there is any ill intent, I would appreciate the help of any extra set of eyes to keep the article in reasonable shape if these SPA edit again. AgneCheese/Wine 19:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Any need for guidelines for wine articles?
Given the discussion about capitalization for grape names, do we see any need for a page with practical guidelines for writing wine articles, other than Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a wine guide, which really handles some of the "big issues" for wine in Wikipedia? I'm not saying it would have to be very long or authorative, but some of the things leading to discussions on talk pages might be practical to have in one place. Some initial thoughts on the types of things to cover:
- Grape variety articles in general cover both material on the vine & grape, and varietal wines.
- While varieties would be cultivars to a botanist, "variety" is the only term in widespread use within viticulture.
- When a variety is known under several synonyms, we prefer one article with redirects from the synonyms.
- Grape names are written as...
- Do not confuse the terms variety and varietal.
- Terminology for grape colours vary, so be aware that "red grape" can be ambiguous.
- (In an ideal world) Guides for terminology regarding geographical areas and origins (e.g. "region is generally bigger than district" and "don't call an individual AOC a region").
- Different usage of units in different countries. It's preferable to give sizes of vineyards and regions both as ha and acres using the convert function.
- List of good information sources - written and online.
Any thoughts? Useful/needed or not? Tomas e (talk) 10:14, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
- Yes I think it is a very good idea, we did a try for grape article template but nothing much happened after that. I think it is very good way for a project to standardize content and a good help when writing new articles. --Stefan talk 01:46, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Nice link
Found a nice tool for category intersect, so that you can find e.g. All wine articles lacking sources, see [1]. --Stefan talk 14:39, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
WikiProject Food and drink
I notice that all wine-related articles have been blitz-tagged with a Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink template on their talk pages. My first observation is that for talk pages already tagged with Wikipedia:WikiProject Wine, this new template should go below that template, since the wine project is more relevant; however, it is being added above it. My second observation is to question whether or not this template is even desired. Is not the wine project more relevant? Is there something in WikiProject guidelines that addresses this issue? I see it as counterproductive to have two WikiProject templates on an article talk page, both with different assessment ratings. But this seems to be common practice, I guess; however, I do strongly think these pages should be adjusted so that the wine project template is on top. - Merzbow (talk) 07:02, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Alternate banner
Hello,
I have recently modified the {{WPFOOD}} banner so that it supports this project. I did this to unite all the food related projects under a uniform banner as well as cut down on the number of banners that appear at the top of each article talk page.
Just add the |Wine=yes switch to any {{WPFOOD}} tag at the top of the article talk page and you will get this:
- Standard banner -
Food and drink: Wine Project‑class | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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As you can see, this project is prominently displayed in the banner, and I can add any custom text you would like.
- With nesting function -
currently there is an issue with it not displaying the second name in the nested function.
If there is any questions, please post them not on my page but on the WPFood banner talk page. Other modifications can be made to the template to allow for custom alterations to the template.
As for the banner, there is currently a bot going through and tagging food and beverage categories. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 09:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)