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:::Perhaps, but what about the controversy that's going on right now that Maxis as a company has disbanded leaving all games to EA Games? [[User:Jammy0002|Jammy]] ([[User talk:Jammy0002|talk]]) 20:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC) |
:::Perhaps, but what about the controversy that's going on right now that Maxis as a company has disbanded leaving all games to EA Games? [[User:Jammy0002|Jammy]] ([[User talk:Jammy0002|talk]]) 20:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC) |
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I haven't been here long, but because of the change, I will be leaving. [[User:SimsFan|<em style="font-family:Gill Sans">SimsFan</em>]]<sup>[[User talk:SimsFan|Talk to Me]] • [[User:SimsFan/SignBook|Sign Here and Get a Thank You Award]]</sup> 09:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC) |
Revision as of 09:35, 18 May 2008
Logo
Currently, using the plumbob as the symbol of the project could be seen as violating copyright. The image was uploaded for The Sims Portal, and has already been deleted from their banner. [1]. I might have a go at designing a logo, however I would want to see what you guys think. --Martin23230 (talk) 13:27, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- I see your point and I think you're right. If you could really make a new logo for the userbox then that would be great. Jammy (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
- What about this? It is made in the same idea as the Poxemon one, as it is a simple shape ineligable for copyright, with the big Wikipedia W. Martin23230 (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Could someone incorperate that logo into the barnstar image? No offence but the current barnstar image is......Joelster (talk) 22:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- No the barnstar is usely a "star" Save The HumansTalk :) 00:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Could someone incorperate that logo into the barnstar image? No offence but the current barnstar image is......Joelster (talk) 22:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Hey
Hi I've just joined the project and just thought I'd say that I'm happy to help in any way I can. I was previously involved in the production of the U2 WikiProject Newsletter (my personal favourite issue). I also started up the Seinfeld WikiProject, which is coming along nicely with a group of dedicated editors. So, yeah, happy to help. Joelster (talk) 00:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Banner
The The Sims project banner page could use some work. It doesn't tell how to use the quality and importance parameters for the template. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Scope
An important issue that needs consensus. How deep does our reach go, e.g. do we stick with the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sims#Articles, with Sims 1,2&3 along with expansions, or do we include other Sim games, such as SimCity and even Spore? WikiProject:Sims could go either way. This will need sorting out before we continue. Martin23230 (talk) 18:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- I was kinda under the impression that this was the The Sims WikiProject and it'd just focus on The Sims and all its descendants and spin-offs. I think covering other Sim games would just dilute the focus. Maybe we should change the name of the project (to WikiProject The Sims)? — Frecklefσσt | Talk 18:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think it should remain as only on the series of The Sims, a WikiProject Maxis could cover all the other Sims games but I'd like to stay dedicated to only The Sims series. Jammy (talk) 18:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Fine with me Martin23230 (talk) 18:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think it should remain as only on the series of The Sims, a WikiProject Maxis could cover all the other Sims games but I'd like to stay dedicated to only The Sims series. Jammy (talk) 18:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Opinions
Sims 3
- Personaly it seems to soon from the Sims 2. Save The HumansTalk :)
- I don't think so, Sims 2 came out only 4 years after the Sims, but it'll of been 5 years since Sims 2 has been released when Sims 3 is released. Jammy (talk)
- omg wow it went fast. Save The HumansTalk :) —Preceding comment was added at 19:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Sims 2 Apartment life
About the new Sims 2 expansion pack.
- I think its to small of a game base. It sould of been included in Nightlife. Save The HumansTalk :)
- Not much of a expansion pack to leave the series with, but it'll be interesting all the same. Hopefully it'll have more features than the console game The Urbz as that was pretty boring. Jammy (talk)
- What would be the new monster? "AHHH the Landlord!!" Save The HumansTalk :) 23:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Not much of a expansion pack to leave the series with, but it'll be interesting all the same. Hopefully it'll have more features than the console game The Urbz as that was pretty boring. Jammy (talk)
Barnstar
The barnstar could do with a good revamp. It's basically just a template saying this user has done good contributions. You could bascially award it to yourself. There's also quite a few grammar errors. And as someone has stated before, the image just puts the barnstar off as it's very pixelated, imaginative but too pixelated. Jammy (talk) 22:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry as you know im realy bad with wikiproject stuff. Save The HumansTalk :) 22:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
The SimStar | ||
Blah, Blah, reason why barnstar was awarded, well done, pat on back ect... |
- What do you think?--Martin23230 (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Brilliant, you have a good talent for graphics, you deserve the award yourself for making it so good. Jammy (talk) 16:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you, and don't mention it. --Martin23230 (talk) 16:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- OMG i love u Save The HumansTalk :) 19:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you, and don't mention it. --Martin23230 (talk) 16:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- Brilliant, you have a good talent for graphics, you deserve the award yourself for making it so good. Jammy (talk) 16:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- What do you think?--Martin23230 (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Userbox
Would it be possible to change the colour of the userbox text to a darker green? It's just that (on my browser) it seems a little hard to see. Perhaps the background could be changed to a different colour so we could keep the light green. I'd do it myself but I wanted to see what others think. Joelster (talk) 23:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
- What About
{{{2}}}
#138808
Save The HumansTalk :) 23:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah that's good. Or how about this:
This user is part of Wikiproject Sims |
Sorta like the colour scheme of The Sims 2? Joelster (talk) 00:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- wel im on ie. and the blue with the light green is realy hard to see. Save The HumansTalk :) 00:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
what about making the text bold.
This User is part of Wikiproject Sims |
That's strange 'cause I'm on IE too and to me, at least, the one with the blue background is easier to see that the one with the white. Maybe it's just my eyes ;) Is this one any better? Joelster (talk) 00:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
This user is part of Wikiproject Sims |
- what about
This User is part of Wikiproject Sims |
Or
This user is part of Wikiproject Sims |
Save The HumansTalk :) 00:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- peronaly i like
This user is part of Wikiproject Sims |
Best Save The HumansTalk :) 01:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- ill change it. Save The HumansTalk :) 01:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- Okay. How about a green border to match the text? Something like:
This user is part of Wikiproject Sims |
- ok Save The HumansTalk :) 01:15, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Cool thanks :) Joelster (talk) 01:16, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Articles to create
What is everybody's opinion on the following articles I might create:
- List of recurring characters and themes on the Sims- list of important characters such as "Bella Goth" and a short description, as well as a list of some elements of the gameplay that have seemed to be repeated throughout the series
- List of neighborhoods in the Sims- list of neighborhoods used in each game(s) and a brief description
I could come up with other ideas for articles that could be created. Should we start a list on project page for articles that need to be created? --Uga Man (talk) UGA MAN FOR PRESIDENT 2008 02:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- I think it's a good idea, but if my recent experiences hve been anything to go by, I am 80% sure that they would be nominated for deletion as non-notable fancruft. Joelster (talk) 04:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
PC bias
Now, I realize that The Sims is a PC game first and console game second, but I think that the articles should have a more expanded coverage, especially since many console versions use different engines and different scenarios. Also, The Sims (console game) is not very big, and the PC game article isn't even big enough to state how many KBs it uses. Merging them wouldn't increase the size too much. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Regarding the merge, I would be against it. Do we really want The Sims article to be big enough to state how many KBs it is? Besides, the console version is practically a different game anyway. Joelster (talk) 23:03, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- When you think about it, despite the fact that many handheld versions of console games have different engines, they're still in the same article (such exceptions include Rayman 3, Rayman Raving Rabbids, and Over the Hedge for the DS). Showing the KB count does not mean that it's too big. It just indicates that it's "getting there". It would not reach the point of "over" the KB count. Looking at recent events, many games have been merged together - the Zelda GBC games, Oracle of Ages and Seasons, the ALttP remake for the GBA, etc. Being a different game doesn't necessarily mean you need an article of your own. Before the Oracle games were merged, they had no chance of being featured. However, once merged, they passed the FAC quite easily. Without extra content to them, they may be too small to warrant featuring.
- I would strongly suggest, as well, merging the Expansion pack articles into either The Sims, or an article detailing The Sims expansions. As it stands, they are several small articles, but if merged, could serve the main article or a new, longer article. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I did two user page articles - one with only the console game merged, and the other with the console game and expansions merged. Even with all that content, the article does not exceed the suggested kb limit. If you wish to view them, here they are: User:A Link to the Past/The Sims test (2), User:A Link to the Past/The Sims test (they are pretty unpolished, true, but it was simply a quick example). - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- I would strongly suggest, as well, merging the Expansion pack articles into either The Sims, or an article detailing The Sims expansions. As it stands, they are several small articles, but if merged, could serve the main article or a new, longer article. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Wow good work. I must say I like the original one better (User:A Link to the Past/The Sims test) - I personally think that having all of the EP's in the one article makes it just a little long. But both look good, and I must say I'm in favor of the merge now :) Joelster (talk) 23:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I'll be toying with the Expansions section, trying to get it down some. If I can't reduce it by a significant margin, I'll either not merge or merge it to an article about The Sims expansions. But thanks for the input on merging in general. - A Link to the Past (talk) 23:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I made some cuts in test (2), how does it look now? - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
- theres a point like a said below i think there sould be a taksforce? Save The HumansTalk :) 00:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
- Wow good work. I must say I like the original one better (User:A Link to the Past/The Sims test) - I personally think that having all of the EP's in the one article makes it just a little long. But both look good, and I must say I'm in favor of the merge now :) Joelster (talk) 23:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
A suggestion...
I'm really glad someone did this. I was considering creating something like this myself, but I didn't have the time. However I hav a suggestion, and that is to make the project cover all articles based around the Sim series of games (The Sims, SimCity, SimAnt even! ect.) as I think that is a large enough scope for the project to work on, and because they are all somewhat connected. Obviously The Sims series is going to be a focal point of the project, but I believe the project should expand to encompass all of the games in Will Wright mega-series. .:Alex:. 18:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- I did sort of bring this up above, and it seems a consensus was reached to stay with The Sims Series (1, 2, 3 and x-packs). However, even with that topics such as MySims and The Sims Stories saw fit for inclusion. I don't see why, with all of the new people joining, we couldn't branch out, but it is up for debate again. --Martin23230 (talk) 18:54, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I think the problem is that many people who play The Sims (and therefore participate in this WikiProject) don't play the other Sim- games, and so aren't interested in helping out with them. The Sims by itself can stand alone. There isn't any reason why another WikiProject (WikiProject:Maxis) couldn't be started to cover the other Sim- games. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- Well I'd prefer it being only on The Sims series as it's something I'm very experienced in. I don't play the Sims Stories, or much of the SimCity games and I certainly don't play MySims as I wouldn't be caught dead with anything Nintendo! If it stays as The Sims then pretty much everyone knows what's true and what isn't as most people play that. Jammy (talk) 15:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
- He has a point. Mabye a Taskforce should be made Maybee "Wikiproject Sims/Console game taskforce" Save The HumansTalk :) 00:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
- FWIW (@Jammy), The Sims Stories is just The Sims 2 with fewer objects and a storyline that you may play, but don't have to. In the "Free Play" mode, it is just like The Sims 2 (but it doesn't seem to have as much content as the full game or the ability to augment it via downloads). — Frecklefσσt | Talk 15:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- I have added the sims stories the the scope. Save The HumansTalk :) 21:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- FWIW (@Jammy), The Sims Stories is just The Sims 2 with fewer objects and a storyline that you may play, but don't have to. In the "Free Play" mode, it is just like The Sims 2 (but it doesn't seem to have as much content as the full game or the ability to augment it via downloads). — Frecklefσσt | Talk 15:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Changes
I have done some changes to the projects Article section. The most visable is how i put the list into a wikitable. And I also added The Stories. Save The HumansTalk :) 21:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Newsletter Issue 1
Wikipedia:WikiProject Sims/Outreach/1
various...
Hey all,
Various things i'd like to help with!
- Take over the newsletter - i've got a good way of delivery, and a good layout!
- Revamp the page
- Revamp templates
- Look after the assessment of articles!
Please let me know if your all ok with this - I don't want to jump in!
I will begin in ~ 30 mins.
Thanks,
- Oh and also everything to do with the portal - I created P:TUK and P:Derbys.
- Thanks,
- BG7 18:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- Could you be more specific as to what you want to do? The templates and assessments are my area, Save The Humans sorts out the project page and the (very new) newsletter, where as SimpsonsFan08 created and controls the portal. May I also suggest waiting for at least 24 hours? Not every one comes from England, and I only just saw this. Waiting to see what the others think seems best, there is no rush. Oh, and welcome aboard! --23230 talk 18:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but "revamp" does not say exactly what you are going to do. For example:
- Which templates need fixing?
- What is wrong them?
- How are you going to change them?
I would like to make clear that I have no problem with you taking part in the project, however it is a little rude to suddenly appear and change every thing with little word of warning. I apologise if I sound like I am impairing you, but you said to let you know if we are OK with this, and I am merely saying that the others should have a chance to have their say. Oh, and as to one person on every area, this project is very new, and it needed people to start it before others joined. For example, Save the Humans created this from scratch less than a month ago. When I gave you the list of names, I wasn't implying violation of WP:OWN, I was merely saying they may want to here your ideas for changes --23230 talk 19:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC).
- Ok, fine.
- Revamp, make it collapsible, make more sections, make it more like most WP newsletters, make it readble for thos using screen readers.
- Would be something between WP:LT and WP:Derbys.
- I would add more params to the assessment temp, aswell as introducing others.
- Set up the scheme and look after it.
- Portal:Complete revamp and tidy, rm the portal temp as it's combined with the assessment temp, and various other jobs.
- Sound okay? I'm off to start.
- BG7 19:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
About the newspaper it would get realy complicated it more than one peroson editing it but on the outreach department page there is a section called Info to add. But i would like some help in delivery. :) Save The HumansTalk :) 00:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- You could always make a bot to deliver the newspaper, that's what some newspapers do. Jammy (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to deliver the newsletter. When is it delivered? At th start of the month? Joelster (talk) 21:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hmmm... If you look, it's kinda directed at me. And whats the point in programming a bot, when I've already set up AWB to send it out next month.
- To address other points:
- Who says we can only have one newsletter editor? WP:LT has 2, me and Unisouth, and it's fine. And how is it a newspaper? It's web based. Also, why do we need a whole departmenet for one thing? Outreach is gnerally getting in new members, not telling current ones what's going on. And if they've signed up to it, then they're gonna be active anyhoo.
- I really am off to start now, I can see lots of potential cleanup.
- BG7 09:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd be happy to deliver the newsletter. When is it delivered? At th start of the month? Joelster (talk) 21:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- You could always make a bot to deliver the newspaper, that's what some newspapers do. Jammy (talk) 15:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
- actualy the newspaper technicly is open to all members to edit i just put in in what people put down.
- Yes the newspaper is planed to go out every month
- its called a newsletter because what else could you call it?
- the outreach department is the part of a project that usealy send out the newsletter.
- Save The HumansTalk :) 21:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- HI i noticed most of you havent signed up to the newspaper it is at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sims/Outreach/Newsletter_SubscriptionSave The HumansTalk :) 21:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Of course there is nothing else that you can call it except a newsletter... but you keep calling it a newspaper!
- If it's open to all then why did you say it was only you? That's contradicitng yourself.
- No, the newsletter department is the place that send out the newspaper, and in all fairness we don't need a department for one thing. Energies would be put to better use in an assessment department, stub departmenet etc.
- People probably haven't signed up because they don't want to - they can't be forced!
- I really am now off to give the project a serious cleanup.
- BG7 07:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- HI i noticed most of you havent signed up to the newspaper it is at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sims/Outreach/Newsletter_SubscriptionSave The HumansTalk :) 21:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Save The HumansTalk :) 21:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Who cares if it is a newspaper or newsletter
- You really whant to edit the next issue it is currently at Wikipedia:WikiProject Sims/Outreach/2
- please read the first sentance in Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Newsletters.
- Save The HumansTalk :) 14:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Question
What are the main neighborhoods in TS2? :) Thanks Save The HumansTalk :) 21:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
- Strangetown is one of them. But what are we talking? PC, PSP, etc?
- BG7 07:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- PC. Save The HumansTalk :) 14:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- yeah But what about the addon neighborhoods? Save The Humans Review Me :) 17:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Userbox 2
Im on Safari and the userbox background blends in with the link. Little Evil Dog(Talk) 17:53, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- what about
This user is part of Wikiproject Sims |
- :) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 18:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah its ok but not very simsish. Little Evil Dog(Talk) 18:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- What about
This user is part of Wikiproject Sims |
:) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 18:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- ok Little Evil Dog(Talk) 18:15, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- change {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Sims/UBX}} to {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Sims/UBX/2}} on your user page :) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 18:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- thanx. Little Evil Dog(Talk) 18:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
- change {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Sims/UBX}} to {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Sims/UBX/2}} on your user page :) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 18:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
SimpsonsFan08
If you have seen on the main project page SimpsonsFan08 apears striked out because he has been blocked indefinitly due to having sockpuppets. :) Save The Humans:) Review Me :) 20:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Scope Issues
Hmmm... did this go through the WikiProject council? I doubt it would have been approved...
Would me much better to create WikiProject Maxis, and have this as a taskforce. 3 articles, plus a couple of expansion packs? Come on... I though WP:TUK had a small re-mit, but now i've seen this.
Still, as I said above, I will try and help anyway. Oh an RE:Simpsons Fan, I am getting the above oversighted as it's not suitable.
Thanks,
- The requierment for a Wikiproject is 5 user. We have ten. Plus it is NOT required to go through the concil but it is suggested. And so why is this a "Scope Issue"? :) Save The Humans:) RFA :) 19:43, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, various things:
- How many of these users appeared after the project had started?
- It is good form to go through the council. You yourself have suggested that people start task forces, so why not start WP:Maxis and make the task force? I am afraid that, even though I think The Sims is awesome, it isn't large enough for a whole project.
- The scope is tiny, compared to lots of projects.
- BG7 21:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry for jumping in, but I agree with BG7. This should've been a taskforce of WikiProject Video Games. But it's no big deal - what's done is done. Joelster (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, various things:
¿Hablas español
Hello. Some of you May be surprised to know I have just Created a account in Spanish Wikipedia. And I want to start a wikiproject Sims over there. So...Si usted habla español (o sabe cómo usar Google Traductor Eso lo que hago ) Le agradecería que.
- AKA If you speak spanish (or know how to use Google Translator Thats what I do ) I would appreciate it.
- Trees Rock Plant A Tree! 23:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Lol. I speak Spanish. But do they have WikiProjects there? And is there consensus? And don't use translators. I did this:
- First String
- The big brown dog ran across the road to the pond, but got squashed on the way.
- Comes out as
- El gran perro marrón corrió a través de la carretera a la laguna, pero se aplastados en el camino
- Which is
- The big brown dog ran across the road to the lagoon, but was crushed on the road
- And the golden rule? Don't trust translators!
- BG7 12:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
- Lol. I speak Spanish. But do they have WikiProjects there? And is there consensus? And don't use translators. I did this:
- Trees Rock Plant A Tree! 23:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- They have Projects over there but There is no consul. Trees Rock Plant A Tree! 15:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
- And about the translators, That why i need help. lol. Trees Rock Plant A Tree! 15:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Important Notice
Hello all,
Trees Rock (talk · contribs)/Save the humans (talk · contribs) has left the project.
I will be taking over as the lead project editor, and as a result it will go offline for approximately one week, before returning as a task force within WikiProject Maxis.
All comments will be appreciated, either here or on my talk.
Thanks,
BlueGoblin7even 20:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
- Why the name change to Wikiproject Maxis? Jammy (talk) 20:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
- As discussed above, Sims has a very small scope, indeed one that would not have been allowed had it gone through the council.
- Maxis is probably pushing it, but at least the scope is bigger!
- If there is mass opposition, then we will not do it, however it is probably in the project's interests, as it will also bring in more "casual" editors.
- THanks,
- BlueGoblin7even 20:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Goodbye
I haven't been here long, but because of the change, I will be leaving. SimsFanTalk to Me • Sign Here and Get a Thank You Award 09:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)