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:::My apologies {{u|Underwaterbuffalo}}, I meant to link to [[Cho Yiu Chuen]]. [[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 15:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC) |
:::My apologies {{u|Underwaterbuffalo}}, I meant to link to [[Cho Yiu Chuen]]. [[User:onel5969|'''<span style="color:#536895;">Onel</span><span style="color:#ffb300;">5969</span>''']] <sup>[[User talk:Onel5969|<i style="color:blue">TT me</i>]]</sup> 15:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC) |
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::::{{u|Onel5969}}: After reverting this article, I have moved one paragraph, added one header and the 3 words "It is located", that's it. Glad that this modest contribution made you appreciate the value of the article and its subject though. [[User:Underwaterbuffalo|Underwaterbuffalo]] ([[User talk:Underwaterbuffalo|talk]]) 15:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC) |
::::{{u|Onel5969}}: After reverting this article, I have moved one paragraph, added one header and the 3 words "It is located", that's it. Glad that this modest contribution made you appreciate the value of the article and its subject though. [[User:Underwaterbuffalo|Underwaterbuffalo]] ([[User talk:Underwaterbuffalo|talk]]) 15:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:I found this discussion through [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Highland Park (Hong Kong)]].<p>[[Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Redirection]] says: <blockquote>A page can be [[WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT|blanked and redirected]] if there is a suitable page to redirect to, and if the resulting redirect is not [[WP:R#DELETE|inappropriate]]. If the change is disputed via a reversion, an attempt should be made to reach a [[WP:consensus|consensus]] before blank-and-redirecting again. Suitable venues for doing so include the article's talk page and [[Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion]].</blockquote> {{user|Onel5969}}, per the deletion policy, please self-revert all of your edits where you did a second blank-and-redirect after {{user|Underwaterbuffalo}} reverted your first blank-and-redirect. Some of the topics may be notable. Some may not be notable. Once a blank-and-redirect is contested, the proper place to discuss this is the talk page or AfD. At AfD, after a case-by-case evaluation of how much coverage each topic has received, I will either support retention as a standalone article, redirection, or deletion.<p>[[User:Cunard|Cunard]] ([[User talk:Cunard|talk]]) 02:00, 21 February 2022 (UTC) |
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Pillar of Shame in Hong Kong destroyed
Project members may be interested in the destruction of Pillar of Shame in HK. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
New Kowloon
It has been observed that while references to New Kowloon were charged as "obscure" and the legal provisions were flouted on one hand, the same users have disregarded the long established consensus among editors and proceeded to remove such references in these articles, e.g., so as to create ex post facto justifications to what they claim. This apparently is counterproductive to their own clause unless they were wishing unrealistically that no one would have spotted what they've been doing. 210.177.180.110 (talk) 08:09, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
Mass housing estates articles blanking/ redirecting
User:Onel5969 has recently brought 2 housing estate articles to AfD, for which a quick merge/redirect consensus was reached. I voted merge/redirect in these two discussions. The articles, which have since been redirected are Easeful Court (discussion) and Cascades, Hong Kong (discussion). These are small and recent estates and further research conducted during the AfD confirmed that they were not meeting WP:GNG. After the redirect was applied, I imported material from the redirected articles into the target articles, since a simple redirect and not a merger had been performed. In these two cases, I believe that the information about these estates is more conveniently presented in a list format, and several participants in this project have certainly been through similar discussions through the years.
Based on the merge/redirect AfD precedent for 2 minor estates, User:Onel5969 has turned 21 further housing estate articles into redirect without discussion, and without merging any data from the redirected article into the redirect target. I have reverted 11 of them with the edit summary "Redirect not obvious. Please nominate for AfD if you really believe that the article should be blanked. Thanks". Next, User:Onel5969 has reverted several of my article restorations, with the following comment "Redirect very obvious (points directly to target), again, recent AfD's show this consensus". This user has also initiated AfDs for some of these articles, following my suggestion. I do not want to engage in an edit war but I believe that proper discussion should be applied to decide the fate of these articles, especially considering that the initially redirected articles included important estates like Model Housing Estate (the oldest existing public housing estate in Hong Kong, with blocks built in 1954 still in use) and Cho Yiu Chuen (which received a Certificate of Merit at the 1981 Hong Kong Institute of Architects Annual Awards, and its tallest building was the tallest public housing building in the world at that time of completion), which clearly not in the same league as Easeful Court and Cascades, and hints at a limited WP:BEFORE. The 21 articles are:
- Ching Ho Estate
- Cho Yiu Chuen
- Fu Tip Estate
- Hibiscus Park
- High Prosperity Terrace
- Highland Park (Hong Kong)
- Kwai Shing East Estate
- Lai Yiu Estate
- Nga Ning Court
- Kwai Hong Court
- Kwai Tsui Estate
- Model Housing Estate
- Sheung Lok Estate
- Sheung Man Court
- Shun On Estate
- Tai Po Plaza
- Tin Chak Estate
- Tin Heng Estate
- Tin Ching Estate
- Tsui Lai Garden
- Wan Hon Estate
Thanks for reading. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 12:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- I'm completely opposed to such quick redirecting and find it even more frustrating that Onel has reverted your revert, going against WP:BLAR. I support restoration of these articles and if someone wants to take them to AfD then that's their choice. They should be discussed on a case-by-case basis. NemesisAT (talk) 12:31, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Given the age of some of these estates I reckon there would also be non-English offline sources available and thus if one wants to delete these articles they should first be sent to AfD to allow interested editors to search for sources. NemesisAT (talk) 12:35, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Underwaterbuffalo - I went through about 40 or so articles which had been created over the past year, and redirected the ones which have the same issues as the two which were redirected in the AfD's. I have no objection to recreation if the article meets GNG, as imho Model Housing Estate does now with the effort you put in. Don't see the bother of bringing all these to AfD and wasting editors' time. But I also don't see that if an article is not ready for mainspace, leaving it in mainspace. This is supposedly an encyclopedia. And I see my stalker has returned. Onel5969 TT me 12:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Please don't make personal attacks. I follow Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Architecture where I found out about one of these discussions. NemesisAT (talk) 12:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting, since this discussion is not mentioned at that link. Hmmm. Onel5969 TT me 13:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Highland Park (Hong Kong) is, right at the top. I checked the history of that article (I regularly check article histories) and saw that Underwaterbuffalo reverted the redirect. I was curious as I don't think we had crossed paths before so I checked their contributions, and that's where I came across this discusison. Now please stop the name calling NemesisAT (talk) 13:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Interesting, since this discussion is not mentioned at that link. Hmmm. Onel5969 TT me 13:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Please don't make personal attacks. I follow Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Architecture where I found out about one of these discussions. NemesisAT (talk) 12:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you Onel5969 for your reply. Despite your praising my alleged recent efforts put into the Model Housing Estate article, which would have made you reevaluate your assessment of the importance of the article, I would like to clarify that I didn't put any effort into this article recently, apart from reverting your turning it into a redirect. My only two minor contributions to this article date back to 2009. So the article has been in mainspace since quite a while, and hasn't changed a bit since you turned it into a redirect. This being said, there is probably enough data available out there about this estate to turn the article into an FA, if anyone wishes to. Regarding the other articles, I don't believe that having a discussion about their relevance would be a waste of time for the community, especially those which I had reverted. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- My apologies Underwaterbuffalo, I meant to link to Cho Yiu Chuen. Onel5969 TT me 15:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Onel5969: After reverting this article, I have moved one paragraph, added one header and the 3 words "It is located", that's it. Glad that this modest contribution made you appreciate the value of the article and its subject though. Underwaterbuffalo (talk) 15:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- My apologies Underwaterbuffalo, I meant to link to Cho Yiu Chuen. Onel5969 TT me 15:45, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Underwaterbuffalo - I went through about 40 or so articles which had been created over the past year, and redirected the ones which have the same issues as the two which were redirected in the AfD's. I have no objection to recreation if the article meets GNG, as imho Model Housing Estate does now with the effort you put in. Don't see the bother of bringing all these to AfD and wasting editors' time. But I also don't see that if an article is not ready for mainspace, leaving it in mainspace. This is supposedly an encyclopedia. And I see my stalker has returned. Onel5969 TT me 12:44, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- I found this discussion through Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Highland Park (Hong Kong).
Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Redirection says:
Onel5969 (talk · contribs), per the deletion policy, please self-revert all of your edits where you did a second blank-and-redirect after Underwaterbuffalo (talk · contribs) reverted your first blank-and-redirect. Some of the topics may be notable. Some may not be notable. Once a blank-and-redirect is contested, the proper place to discuss this is the talk page or AfD. At AfD, after a case-by-case evaluation of how much coverage each topic has received, I will either support retention as a standalone article, redirection, or deletion.A page can be blanked and redirected if there is a suitable page to redirect to, and if the resulting redirect is not inappropriate. If the change is disputed via a reversion, an attempt should be made to reach a consensus before blank-and-redirecting again. Suitable venues for doing so include the article's talk page and Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion.