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Marknutley is repeatedly calling me a "twat" - cf - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marknutley&diff=prev&oldid=345912976] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Climatic_Research_Unit_hacking_incident&diff=prev&oldid=345912257]. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 17:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC) |
Marknutley is repeatedly calling me a "twat" - cf - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Marknutley&diff=prev&oldid=345912976] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Climatic_Research_Unit_hacking_incident&diff=prev&oldid=345912257]. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 17:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC) |
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:Care to tell them why? [[User:Marknutley|mark nutley]] ([[User talk:Marknutley|talk]]) 17:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC) |
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User:Rapido Deleting other user comments from talk pages, WP:NPA issues
Ref User_talk:Rapido#Deleting other user comments from talk pages and originally this deletion
User:Rapido considers it acceptable to remove other's comments from article talk pages. These comments were non-offensive and not within our accepted and rightly limited bounds for when talk pages should be refactorable. It would appear that Rapido takes exception to the description of his long-term multiple AfDs as a "crusade" against a group of articles (UK pirate radio). This is a term that has been applied independently to Rapido's efforts here by a number of editors previously, myself included.
When challenged on this deletion, his response was grudging. Although restoring the text, and thus avoiding any further sanction, this was not done with any spirit of community or acceptance that his action was against consensus (of at least three editors). This edit summary is far too close to WP:NPA. When challenged over the edit summary, he then responded that he had previously requested the commenting editor (myself) to not post to his talk page (in response to criticisms of his personal attacks to yet more editors on an unrelated AfD). He appears to believe that some sort of "deflector shield" policy can be applied, where a request for editors to not post there will thus excuse his actions. As I have no wish to breach his self-declared policy, accordingly I'm posting to the wider forum here. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- This appears to be retaliation in response to: [1] and [2]. Unfortunately Andy Dingley has taken it upon himself to question many of my edits with accusations of personal attacks, in effect this has become harrassment which I no longer want. I have already asked him before to stop posting on my talk page, unless he criticises everyone equally, rather than just me (his accusations of personal attacks on an AFD are of course nonsense)... however he refuses to do this, and has continued to post spurious accusations that I am sailing close to NPA to my talk page. As for his above comment is that the personal attacks and accusations of bad faith by User:Aleksdeg were non-offensive; I wonder whether this has anything to do with the fact they are both corresponding with each other, and continually talking about me being on a crusade (applied independently [...] by a number of editors previously simply means just Andy Dingley and Aleksdeg, no-one else as far as I'm aware), which is totally unfounded and very insulting. Regarding User:HaeB, I simply posted a response on his talk page on the subject of why I thought his reverts were not necessary (he ignored the huge discussion that took place on the article page) however he retaliated by looking at all my edits and criticising each one. Simply asking people to not post to my talk page does not constitute an excuse [for my] actions, as Andy Dingley writes above (which is, by the way, yet another assumption of bad faith from that particular editor). I now request that Andy Dingley and HaeB both stop harrassing me; I believe these two users are attempting to bully me out of Wikipedia, just because they disagree with some of my edits. Rapido (talk) 14:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- I see that you have now removed your last comment on your talk page (where you claimed immunity from criticism) and then blanked the whole lot, including other editors' complaints of your behaviour at BBC Persian Television. This version represents it as it was.
- This WQA post is in response to your talk page deletion of other's comments and subsequent behaviour in relation to it, not anything else. It's not even in response to your rapid AfD tagging of a new article I created on a topic which you've no past history of involvement anywhere near. It would be wrong according to policy of me to accuse you of stalking a contribs log, but I cannot honestly claim to not be suspicious here. At root though, this is about your edits, not mine (I haven't even edited Thameside Radio, AFAIR): you removed another's talk page comments, an action we only rarely justify, and your reversion of this was a grudging action that contained attacks on two editors, not any acceptance that you yourself might have been at fault.
- As to my Sekrit Plottings with User:Aleksdeg, they're over here. Thanks for pointing out that User:Aleksdeg was involved in both issues, I hadn't actually noticed (sorry Alex!). Andy Dingley (talk) 16:32, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- Regarding BBC Persian Television, unfortunately an IP editor took exception to my edits, and posted multiple personal attacks all across Wikipedia over a period of a few hours. As usual, nothing was done about it. I would be interested to see this immunity from criticism claim, which I never made. It may surprise people to be aware that I have all right to blank my own page, and I chose to do so after AOBF and personal attacks from various parties. I would also be interested to see these attacks on two editors; the only attacks I could see were from User:Aleksdeg, in an article talk page posting which also contains WP:SOAP unrelated to the subject. Rapido (talk) 16:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
As crusade is ascribing motivation to the contributor, rather than focusing on the content, I would consider it mildly incivil and ask that Aleksdeg consider using more neutral phrasing in the future. Rapido is correct in that blanking his own talk page is perfectably allowable. On the other hand, I'm not seeing evidence of anyone attempting to bully Rapdio off of Wikipedia. Most signficantly, removing other editor's talk page comments in other locations, except under narrow circumstances, is a significant policy breach and, had Rapido not reverted, would have been in my opinion be grounds for referral to more formal Dispute Resolution forums.Gerardw (talk) 19:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- More from Rapido. I've just noticed this little exchange. In particular, it refers to this edit, "deletion of 85% of an article's content" being marked by Rapido as "minor".
- Rapido has established a track record. It's a record of attacking articles on radio by deletion, and by gradual (and not so gradual!) deletion of sections of articles to weaken them, prior to and during these deletion attempts. These behaviours alone, ignoring all the rest, I consider to be unacceptable and against the consensus-based editing of a large number of other editors who've contributed to radio-related articles. I do not consider "crusade" too strong a term to use in relation to his actions. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
- It is both inappropriate and unproductive. An editor consistently working against consensus would be grounds for an RFC/U, not name calling. Gerardw (talk) 03:12, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
- Actually my request for HaeB to stop commenting on my talk page was in response to their continued harrassment of me on various edits. Andy Dingley's talk of "attacking" and "weakening" articles is nonsense and extremely offensive. If you will look at the edits, you will clearly see that the material removed is uncited or not from reliable sources. It has become obvious that Andy's attacks on me are merely retaliation for nominating at AFD an article he started (Retrotronics), and over a month ago an article of a pirate radio station that he seems to have been a fan of. I would ask that he withdraw all personal attacks and assumptions of bad faith, and simply leave me alone. Rapido (talk) 08:56, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Dispute with notyourbroom about incivility
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Please refer to Talk:Pittsburgh regards the discussion about "Pittsburro" in the Etymology of the name of the City of Pittsburgh. It was a robust, but not a hostile discussion. I posted a comment which was cited to a source that did not support my argument. I withdrew it within minutes. user:notyourbroom chose to undelete my comment (to which he had not yet replied) and throw it back in my face in an effort to degrade and humiliate and "win". I made an honest error. If my cite supported his position and not mine, he could have used the cite. I have a right to withdraw my comment before there is a response. He further continued the matter by archiving the discussion. I have again removed my comment and will continue to do so until there is third party review. I am the Botendaddy 23:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
The restoration of the comment was technically correct but unnecessary as there were no replies, it was within 4 minutes, and Notyourbroom could simply cite the reference in their own post. I've unarchived the discussion, not sure what was up with that. I'm not commenting on Notyourbroom's motivation and recommend both editors assume good faith and move on. Gerardw (talk) 00:08, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your input, Gerardw. I did not previously explain my rationale for closing the discussion (other than briefly in the closing statement itself), but the final comment of the thread indicated that Botendaddy had no intention to pursue the content dispute further, and there were no other parties to the discussion. Thus, I deemed closure of the thread appropriate. All statements made since then have been comments regarding my behavior and my attempts to give reasonable replies to those comments, and I feel that those discussions are best restricted to user talk pages or to a project page such as this one, rather than having them dilute on-topic discussion on article talk pages. (In that regard, I should have restricted my replies to Botendaddy's complaints to my own talk page.) Best, —Notyourbroom (talk) 00:55, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
- Also, I do not mean to escalate, but I would like to say a few words in my defense. I am confident that if you were to examine my conduct in this matter, you would find no instances of accusation, name-calling, or other elements of uncivil discourse. Rather, I have attempted always to explain my understanding of Wikipedia's philosophy and best practices and to demonstrate how my actions have been consistent with that understanding. Where possible, I have linked to specific WP:___ pages for further reading purposes. I am an imperfect editor (as are we all) and I am occasionally prone to lapses in composure (especially when I perceive a possible misuse of power) but I take the principle of civility seriously, and I feel that my actions reflect that commitment in almost all cases. —Notyourbroom (talk) 01:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I apologize to notyourbroom, I made a mistake initally and shouldn't have hit save without checking my reference. I shouldn't have escalated it. I am the Botendaddy —Preceding undated comment added 20:32, 20 February 2010 (UTC).
I am not very happy about the following comment on Human Rights Believer's talk page. I posted a short message asking TheFEARgod to remove it as it's a personal attack, but he reverted my message and then sent me the following message:
- No. Enough of polite robot-style warning templates and other... I hope he sees the comment and has a feeling of something human, to let him know someone thinks that way. Now, if you don't mind leaving me alone.. Cheers, --TheFEARgod (Ч) 11:45, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I think this is out of order. I would like, at the very least, to remove the inflammatory comment from Human Rights Believer's talk page. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
- Alerted here. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
- Clearly a personal attack; I removed the comment. Gerardw (talk) 14:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
- Tbsdy's message was not even a warning template, TheFEARgod. You weren't right to claim WP:DTTR in the first place. Swarm(Talk) 04:48, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't claimed anything..--TheFEARgod (Ч) 08:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- There are times when you can tell all you need to know about an editor by their choice of username. TheFEARgod vs. Human Rights Believer - sounds downright metaphorical... --Ludwigs2 05:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- well I took it 5 (gosh!) years ago.. I can't tell if I would take the same now.--TheFEARgod (Ч) 08:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Tbsdy's message was not even a warning template, TheFEARgod. You weren't right to claim WP:DTTR in the first place. Swarm(Talk) 04:48, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Clearly a personal attack; I removed the comment. Gerardw (talk) 14:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
I have no problem when one of my notices at a talk page gets removed. However, I find this edit comment incivil. --AFBorchert (talk) 14:19, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, it's somewhat strident, but after your heavy-handed dealings with the preceding issue over on Commons (threatening a user in good standing with blocks while seemingly ignoring his being harassed by a banned troll in the same thread) and then gratuitously inserting yourself here too with an attempt at getting the same user blocked at WP:AN3, when it was plain obvious that his opponent was editing in bad faith while he was not, you shouldn't perhaps be too surprised at such a reaction. Under these circumstances, what positive purpose could dragging this user to yet another noticeboard possibly serve? Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:56, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Future Perfect at Sunrise, Viriditas' edits at Commons violated local policy. When he announced to file a DR just to end this conflict, I warned him not to follow this path. But this is at Commons and I do not think that it is helpful to discuss this here. At en-wp, I just reported an on-going edit conflict which started at Commons and I informed him as a participant in this edit conflict as required by local policy. If he removes this notice, this is fine with me, if he is calling me names, this is an unnecessary aggravation. I do not want to get him blocked for this. However, as he already asserted that I am acting in bad faith before this incivility was issued, I would like to see these incivilities discontinued. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 15:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Not a civility issue as far as I am concerned. Eusebeus (talk) 17:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Not a civility issue from my perspective. "Insanity removed" is a comment on the contribution, not the contributor. The admin responding to the AN:3rr report concluded Your edits were clearly a good-faith, obvious improvement. So for Viriditas to characterize the situation as insanity is very, very low on the incivility WP:Gray_Area. Gerardw (talk) 22:48, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Future Perfect at Sunrise, Viriditas' edits at Commons violated local policy. When he announced to file a DR just to end this conflict, I warned him not to follow this path. But this is at Commons and I do not think that it is helpful to discuss this here. At en-wp, I just reported an on-going edit conflict which started at Commons and I informed him as a participant in this edit conflict as required by local policy. If he removes this notice, this is fine with me, if he is calling me names, this is an unnecessary aggravation. I do not want to get him blocked for this. However, as he already asserted that I am acting in bad faith before this incivility was issued, I would like to see these incivilities discontinued. Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 15:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Please feel free to close this. I am sorry for having opened it and having wasted your time. When I saw the edit comment I was upset and one should not continue editing while being upset. --AFBorchert (talk) 06:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm afraid I have to once again report on the lack of civility shown towards myself by David A. I find it rather rude for an editor to taking a pot shot at myself in the Edit Summary of an article I've never been involved in, as can be seen here: [3]. I stumbled on this purely by accident, and otherwise would never have known that had occurred.
It follows in the vein of other fairly emotive comments ([4]; [5];).
Irrespective our editing differences, I think it only fair to ask that when we communicate we do so with civility (an RfC is also a possibility, but I would hope it doesn't come to that).
For your consideration Asgardian (talk) 04:00, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- Please notify user on their talk page. Gerardw (talk) 09:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
- I notified the user. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 01:06, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- Asgardian is well aware that I'm not taking "pot-shots". I genuinely believe in every word I say, and all the chances/good faith I've given him over the years have been explicitly proven wrong, and he generally breaks any deals at first opportunity, or uses extremely underhanded tactics, including ongoing intimidation attempts, misleading subterfuge, insincere sarcasm, very contradictive arguments from conflict to conflict, and trying to use my handicaps as a weapon. As for the authenticity of the reasons for my problems with him and his methods, for a quick overview you can always refer to this, this, this, this, and maybe this. He's tried this type of game tactic before with both me and others, and it's getting tiresome to have to deal with. I don't have the time and energy any more. Dave (talk) 09:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- Restoring this as still not addressed. Irrespective of whatever differences may exist between users, it is not appropriate to make derogatory comments about another user in an article's Edit Summary, particularly when the defamed person is not even involved in said article. Many thanks Asgardian (talk) 02:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, but you've brought up a stale incident. These instances have occurred almost a week before you brought them here, and now it's longer than that. I'll leave a comment on Dave's page. Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Marknutley
Marknutley is repeatedly calling me a "twat" - cf - [6] and [7]. Hipocrite (talk) 17:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Care to tell them why? mark nutley (talk) 17:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)