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For example, do you have something on mind that needs documentation, research, some gadget issues, or any templates to port to Lua on your "To do" list but you never had the time? If yes, please go to [[mw:Google Code-in 2014]], check out the "Mentor's corner", and add your task there (please add tasks until Sunday even if it's only a stub - we can still polish them until December 1st when the contest begins)! And if something is unclear, please ask on the talk page. Happy to help! --[[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 21:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC) |
For example, do you have something on mind that needs documentation, research, some gadget issues, or any templates to port to Lua on your "To do" list but you never had the time? If yes, please go to [[mw:Google Code-in 2014]], check out the "Mentor's corner", and add your task there (please add tasks until Sunday even if it's only a stub - we can still polish them until December 1st when the contest begins)! And if something is unclear, please ask on the talk page. Happy to help! --[[User:AKlapper (WMF)|AKlapper (WMF)]] ([[User talk:AKlapper (WMF)|talk]]) 21:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC) |
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Xtools / edit counter
Does anyone here know the status of the Xtools edit counter? I have been unable to access the tool for several days, and this does not appear to be one of the usual temporary service interruptions. Does anyone know anything about this? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- All Xtools have been down for some days. See #Wikimedia Tool Labs and bugzilla:72104. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- I have mentioned it's down in the interface message Template:Sp-contributions-footer.[1] I did the same yesterday for MediaWiki:Histlegend.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 14:27, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
- If you go to the Github report you see: "Labels: None! No milestones! Nobody assigned!" The Bugzilla thread is equally discouraging: "Unprioritized! Assigned to nobody!" Except for Wikiviewstats, trying to use any of these tools does not even produce an error message, just a blank screen endlessly showing "Waiting for tools.wmflabs.org". (See the thread above, "Wikimedia Tool Labs", for some of the problems caused for users). Well I think this is not good enough for a facility used by many thousands. How do we jog Wikimedia to get going and resolve this?: Noyster (talk), 08:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Dirtlawyer1, PrimeHunter, and Noyster: Looks like the counter is operational again. GoingBatty (talk) 15:16, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Great! I have removed the down messages from Template:Sp-contributions-footer and MediaWiki:Histlegend after testing the three linked xtools. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Dirtlawyer1, PrimeHunter, and Noyster: Looks like the counter is operational again. GoingBatty (talk) 15:16, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- If you go to the Github report you see: "Labels: None! No milestones! Nobody assigned!" The Bugzilla thread is equally discouraging: "Unprioritized! Assigned to nobody!" Except for Wikiviewstats, trying to use any of these tools does not even produce an error message, just a blank screen endlessly showing "Waiting for tools.wmflabs.org". (See the thread above, "Wikimedia Tool Labs", for some of the problems caused for users). Well I think this is not good enough for a facility used by many thousands. How do we jog Wikimedia to get going and resolve this?: Noyster (talk), 08:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: I'm a writer/editor, not a wiki-coder tech guy. When there are problems with X tools (or other Wikimedia Lab Tools), where is the appropriate interface to go with questions? Once upon a time, we could go to X!'s talk page . . . . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Dirtlawyer1: This page seemed to work pretty well for you. GoingBatty (talk) 15:38, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) For X! tools, there are a few maintainers... The best ways to do it is post the issue on bugzilla (phabricator soon replacing this), on github (here), or ask a maintainer: Cyberpower678, Hedonil and Tparis (may be more, not sure). — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, guys. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- One more question: pardon my ignorance, but what is the relationship of Phabricator and Bugzilla to Wikimedia Labs? I don't wander outside of English Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons very often, so all of these support groups are a bit of a mystery to me. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:53, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
- Bugzilla is the old system for reporting bugs (including feature requests and random ideas). Phabricator is the soon-to-be new system for reporting bugs and also lots of other things that could be done in Bugzilla, but which Bugzilla is not exactly very convenient for, like figuring out what's going on or planning projects. In the old (aka current) system, you find a problem on wiki, you report it at Bugzilla, some (volunteer or staff) dev decides to fix it, the dev's code goes to Gerritt, and then (with luck, assuming that the rather picky Jenkins bot doesn't reject your code, etc.) it somehow shows up in the MediaWiki software that we're using. Bugzilla is going to "go away" Any Day Now™, meaning probably within the next few weeks. Unless it doesn't.
- WMF Labs is the replacement for Toolserver. It's a place to put useful or interesting stuff that people are using. NB that people specify "WMF Labs" to prevent confusion with "Beta Labs", which is a test wiki. http://en.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ will take you to a partial copy of the English Wikipedia, where you can see what some of the devs
have broken this weekare working on right now. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC)- The replacement for Toolserver is specifically Tool Labs; Wikimedia Labs is the larger project that Beta Labs, Tool Labs, and a large number of other non-production services and test servers are a part of. Anomie⚔ 11:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Well, perhaps this is the problem: TParis has lost access to their account, Cyberpower687 has been on WikiBreak for two months, and Hedonil hasn't made an edit since 20 August. I guess this won't get fixed any time soon. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:18, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- Well someone has gotten my attention about this issue, so I will be taking a look over the next few days. ALSO IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT GITHUB IS THE BEST PLACE TO REPORT BUGS AS IT IS THERE WE CAN MOST EASILY KEEP TRACK OF THE BUGS. I am no way shouting, but making trying to make that statement standout for future bug reports.—cyberpower Temporarily OnlineTrick or Treat 11:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- It works two ways. There are replies to the bug report here and at bugzilla:72104 but none of the two reports at https://github.com/x-Tools/xtools/issues/. I think most bug reporters like to at least know whether their report has been seen. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:34, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- Fixed—cyberpower Temporarily OnlineTrick or Treat 14:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Extracting PMIDs
Hi folks, relaying a question from a Stanford Medical researcher:
"Do you know if it is possible to extract [all] PubMed ID (PMID) or PMCIDs from Wiki references? Furthermore, could you dump those IDs out into a list for analysis?"
Thanks, Jake Ocaasi t | c 03:53, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hey Ocaasi. Seems like an easy job. Can you give me a few examples of PMIDs in articles and talk to me about the form they take (e.g. always a 25 digit number -- or something like that)? --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 22:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- After a bit of searching around, it looks like they can be extracted with a regex pretty nicely. E.g. /\bpmid *= *[0-9]+\b/i Does that seem right? --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 22:42, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- @EpochFail: I don't know regex but something like that should work. We'd want to know which PMIDs came from which article ideally. And then we'd need to dump it all in a list. Any idea what the workflow/toolset needed for something like this would be? Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 02:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Done I've finished a crawl over the XML dumps for 2014-10-08. You can find it here: http://datasets.wikimedia.org/public-datasets/enwiki/etc/pmids.articles.20141008.tsv It includes page_id, page_namespace, page_title, rev_id (most recent), pmid in TAB separated values. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 12:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- edit Fixed the link to the dataset. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 13:44, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- User:EpochFail, can you combine that with a list to the ones that use URLs in the http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/nnnnnnn format, or to PubMedCentral pages? There are multiple ways to link these papers. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hey WhatamIdoing. Just so that I understand, are you asking me to also extract PMIDs that appear in certain types of URLs? If that's right, I'd be happy to, but I'd request that someone else do the digging for the different URL structures. I can update the regular expressions as necessary so long as I have examples. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 12:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- EpochFail, that's the format: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/nnnnnnn where nnnnnnn is the PMID number (always plain numbers) itself. (The number of digits varies from one to eight, because it's sequential, but it's usually seven or eight. They've assigned a bit more than 25.3 million so far.)
- It appears that there is another format, but the PMID number isn't visible at all in it: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=B1+and+B2+cells+differ+in+their+potential+to+switch+immunoglobulin+isotype. will take you to the same article. This is actually search results that returned exactly one possible match, and therefore took the user to the single match. Short of writing something to look up the original database record, I think you'll want to just skip these. They're rare anyway.
- At PubMedCentral, the URL format is http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMCnnnnnnn/ PMCID numbers do not match PMID numbers. In {{cite journal}}, you would write
|pmc=nnnnnnn
(just the numbers), although I believe that the official PMCID is PMCnnnnnnn. If someone has done a good job with the citations, then you might have both a PMID and the corresponding PMCID present in the same citation. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:33, 24 October 2014 (UTC)- I just updated the dataset (same URL) to flag which IDs are pmc and which are pmid. I also included the URL scheme, but it doesn't seem to have added a substantial amount of new IDs. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 16:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Parsing for the
|pmid=
parameter (must allow|PMID=
as well) within citation templates should find about 479,000 cites covering 319,000 distinct PMIDs on en-wiki. Plus maybe 1100 with PMC only. Though that will miss about 18000 plain PMIDs (use ofPMID 12345
as PMID is a wiki magic word) and some number of URLs. But I think the number where there is a URL but no PMID in a cite or plain PMID in the same ref is a few hundred at the most. Rjwilmsi 17:45, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Parsing for the
- I just updated the dataset (same URL) to flag which IDs are pmc and which are pmid. I also included the URL scheme, but it doesn't seem to have added a substantial amount of new IDs. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 16:41, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hey WhatamIdoing. Just so that I understand, are you asking me to also extract PMIDs that appear in certain types of URLs? If that's right, I'd be happy to, but I'd request that someone else do the digging for the different URL structures. I can update the regular expressions as necessary so long as I have examples. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 12:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- User:EpochFail, can you combine that with a list to the ones that use URLs in the http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/nnnnnnn format, or to PubMedCentral pages? There are multiple ways to link these papers. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Search for special chars
Is it possible to request search queries for phrases containing special chars? For example: HTML tags, like <center>. --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 14:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
- Any ideas? --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 12:10, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- The only way I know to do this is to download the database then use AWB to search. Goggle, Bing and the others just plain ignore punctuation marks. -- Gadget850 talk 12:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- You can use CirrusSearch's insource:// syntax to perform a regex match against the page source. Unfortunately its pretty busted right now from a performance standpoint. Fortunately I'm in the process of making it much faster. I imagine that'll take a week or so to finish though. If you need it sooner I can see if I can do some juggling to get it better just for enwiki. I don't imagine I'd be able to do the juggling faster then about 24 hours though. NEverett (WMF) (talk) 20:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- I tracked a little bug on it. --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 20:42, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- I replied to the bug with more in depth information. Filing the bug with the link to here is what got my attention in the first place. NEverett (WMF) (talk) 21:51, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- @NEverett (WMF): I have a trouble with searching using insource://. Could you tell me how to search for pages containing HTML <center> tags? --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 19:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Rezonansowy: It should be insource:/\<center\>/. Right now we're having a CirrusSearch outage so its not available but it should be soon. Sorry for the inconvenience.NEverett (WMF) (talk) 19:14, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- @NEverett (WMF): I have a trouble with searching using insource://. Could you tell me how to search for pages containing HTML <center> tags? --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 19:48, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
- I replied to the bug with more in depth information. Filing the bug with the link to here is what got my attention in the first place. NEverett (WMF) (talk) 21:51, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- I tracked a little bug on it. --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 20:42, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- You can use CirrusSearch's insource:// syntax to perform a regex match against the page source. Unfortunately its pretty busted right now from a performance standpoint. Fortunately I'm in the process of making it much faster. I imagine that'll take a week or so to finish though. If you need it sooner I can see if I can do some juggling to get it better just for enwiki. I don't imagine I'd be able to do the juggling faster then about 24 hours though. NEverett (WMF) (talk) 20:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
- The only way I know to do this is to download the database then use AWB to search. Goggle, Bing and the others just plain ignore punctuation marks. -- Gadget850 talk 12:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Anyone could help?--Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 10:11, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
- You would have to enable the new search first. Then see mw:Help:CirrusSearch. I was testing this yesterday and kept getting errors. Today CirrusSearch seems to be disabled. -- Gadget850 talk 14:23, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
@NEverett (WMF) and Gadget850: Many thanks for reply! --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 19:32, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Rezonansowy:, @Gadget850: give it another shot now. Its still not quick (30 seconds for me) but its possible. I'm getting the message about there being too many regex searches going at a time more than I ought to be as well. I'll investigate that but in the mean time just retry and it should go through. I'll have a look at the speed at some point as well. Because there are so many pages with <center> you are likely going to encounter bugzilla:72128 when you do this. The number of pages is probably also why it takes so long. NEverett (WMF) (talk) 16:21, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- Seems to be working properly now, given the limitation noted in the bug report. Thanks! -- Gadget850 talk 16:49, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- @NEverett (WMF) and Gadget850: Today, "insource:" is being ignored; – "bitterly-"insource:/[ \(\[][Bb]itterly-/ – simply returns the same results as "bitterly-". Chris the speller yack 15:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- I have noted that CirrusSearch is up and down periodically over the last week. -- Gadget850 talk 16:10, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah - we had to disable insource:// support for a little while. I sent an email to wikitech-ambassadors@lists.wikimedia.org but neglected to post anything here. Sorry! Certain regex searches were able to bring the whole system down! My guess is it'll take a week or so for us to get it sorted out properly. I'm really sorry for the delay!NEverett (WMF) (talk) 23:26, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- I have noted that CirrusSearch is up and down periodically over the last week. -- Gadget850 talk 16:10, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- @NEverett (WMF) and Gadget850: Today, "insource:" is being ignored; – "bitterly-"insource:/[ \(\[][Bb]itterly-/ – simply returns the same results as "bitterly-". Chris the speller yack 15:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Seems to be working properly now, given the limitation noted in the bug report. Thanks! -- Gadget850 talk 16:49, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Linking a sub-template problem
I'm working on a template for Wikidata-focused infoboxes and have a dummy problem. I'm not able to link sub-template - User:Rezonansowy/Infobox publication/val, my code looks like:
{{/val|author|50}}
It works for example on Wikipedia:Article wizard. Like this: {{/subtemplate}} ...but doesn't work when I link this template containing sub-template to another page, example. I got redlink insted of sub-template.
--Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 18:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- For subpages transcluded by a relative path, it's always relative to the top-level page, not relative to the page where the wikicode is. So it thinks that you want to transclude Animal Farm/val. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:42, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- It doesn't seem to work the right way, IMO it's a bug. --Rezonansowy (talk | contribs) 19:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- It works as intended. It would sometimes be nice if there was a way to tell where code was transcluded from but there isn't. In your case there is a trivial fix: Give the full pagename. By the way, mainspace doesn't have subpages so
{{/val}}
in mainspace interprets /val as a template name. That's why the red link is Template:/val. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:32, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
- It works as intended. It would sometimes be nice if there was a way to tell where code was transcluded from but there isn't. In your case there is a trivial fix: Give the full pagename. By the way, mainspace doesn't have subpages so
- @Rezonansowy: If I understand correctly that the goal is to transclude User:Rezonansowy/Infobox publication/val in User:Rezonansowy/Infobox publication, why not just give the full pathname:
{{User:Rezonansowy/Infobox publication/val|author|50}}
Better still, the following is more flexible and won't require editing if you rename the "parent" template, which is more like the "relative pathname" functionality for which I think you were looking:
{{{{#invoke:TEMPLATENAME|main}}/val|author|50}}
- @Rezonansowy: If I understand correctly that the goal is to transclude User:Rezonansowy/Infobox publication/val in User:Rezonansowy/Infobox publication, why not just give the full pathname:
Wmflabs tool
Is this tool open source? If is not it risk to be deleted like the original "reflinks"? 82.77.75.167 (talk) 00:18, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- The original Reflinks was open sourced, just the WMF didn't want to come to terms with me. As for Kolossos's tool, he's accepted WMF's coercive terms. However, the code quality isn't good and lacks optimization, but otherwise works. — Dispenser 16:43, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- So, where i can see source code of Templatetiger? I think not all tools from wmflabs are open source. 82.77.75.167 (talk) 21:02, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- Likely only in Labs itself as Kolossos doesn't like to use version control. You could ask him for the code. Or easily create a Tool Labs account (I'd say too easily) and peak at it, or hop on irc:wikimedia-labs and ask User:Coren to give it. I'd help out more, but I'm serving an unjustified ban. — Dispenser 22:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- So, where i can see source code of Templatetiger? I think not all tools from wmflabs are open source. 82.77.75.167 (talk) 21:02, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
How to peak at it? I tried, unsuccessfully. (i am Windows user). Can someone make a video tutorial for me, please?:) I think it will be usefull in time not only for me. Thank you. 82.77.75.167 (talk) 22:15, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, my sourcecode is available here. I believe it's not very useful without databases on wmflabs. For further questions you can contact me: kolossos_Ät_wikipedia.de .--Kolossos (talk) 19:01, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you. You're right. Without knowing the structure of directories and DB dumps this source it's not very useful, at least for me.
- Can Wmflabs admins make possible to view and browse directories and files from Wmflabs directly via browser? 82.77.75.167 (talk) 02:21, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- There is some documentation available. I don't believe that admins will make directories readable, also if would support this. --Kolossos (talk) 19:12, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Strange time substitution
{{#time:j F Y|~~~~~}} displays properly: 30 October 2014.
With substitution, i.e. {{subst:#time:j F Y|~~~~~}}, it looks wrong: Error: Invalid time..
What is the reason for this? Shouldn't the substituted and the unsubstituted versions work identically? --Stefan2 (talk) 00:14, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Stefan2: It looks like the substitution is happening before the tildes get expanded. Because of this, #time is complaining that five tildes in a row aren't a valid time. As a workaround, just use {{subst:#time:j F Y}}, which properly produces 30 October 2014. In fact, passing ~~~~~ to #time is always redundant and should be removed, since the default value of the second parameter is the current time. Jackmcbarn (talk) 00:20, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Edit Counters missing data
Various reports have been made in the last week or so about the Xtools edit counter being down. While it seems to be operational again since a day or two I noticed that edit data from October 24 and following days appears to be missing. Example 1) I made 8 edits to the Rod Laver article on October 27 (see [revision history]) but these do not show up in the [Revision history statistics] or [Edits by user] overviews. Example 2) I made 18 edits to the All England Plate article on October 25 which do not show in the [Revision history statistics] or [Edits by user] and also do not appear on my user edit count overview (Contributions > Edit count > Top edited pages section). Note that the edits on October 24 (and the one on October 29) have been captured. Is this a known issue and will it be repaired?--Wolbo (talk) 02:16, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- This may be the same issue that I reported here. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
- Perhaps. I reported the issue at Github but was informed that it was not a specific Xtools issue because other tools, like [Edits by user], also showed missing data and that it had "something to do with Labs Replication DBs". So are there people here who can take this issue on or else point me to the right place to follow-up? Thx.--Wolbo (talk) 20:46, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Problem with adding the first interwiki to a page
Clicking on the "Add links" link (in the interwikis block) on a page which currently has no interwikis is producing a popup box with an error in it (that looks like a JavaScript object). I've tested on a few random articles with the same result. Originally reported here, but this will need someone more familiar with the scripting around Wikidata to look at it. --ais523 04:17, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- I just got this error too while trying to add a link from the German version of Coin of the Year Award, but logging out and back in again fixed it for me. Graham87 09:11, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Monospace font-size
Re this, has something like a "default monospace font-size" setting been considered as a user preference..? Sardanaphalus (talk) 09:40, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
PS {{Mono}}'s default size setting is 1.2em (120%), which, relatively speaking, looks a bit large here (Firefox-based browser).
- Unfortunately, for as far as fonts go, "firefox-based browser" is insufficient information - it's the specific font that's rendered that counts, which can depend on the fonts you have installed, default settings in your browser, and the magical way browsers choose fonts. I'm not saying 1.2em must be perfect, and I'm no font wizard. Introducing and implementing a new setting for this, to me, feels wrong, and {{mono}} would override that again. I'm not sure what the "right" size for that template would be. Maybe you can make some testcases and discuss on the template itself. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:28, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Typography#The monospace 'bug'.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}
21:04, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Coordinates problem again
The site-wide problem described above at #Coordinates display appears to be broken has recurred, as of about 11:20 UTC on this date. Can someone please report it to Bugzilla (former ticket was 72559), as I don't have a Bugzilla account? Deor (talk) 11:31, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- I'm seeing the same. Looks like Andyrom75 reopened ticket 72559 as of 11:58 today. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:25, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Can't reproduce now. Try to purge the page if you see it again? Thanks, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 13:28, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Purge seems to fix it now, though it didn't at around 12:00 today. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:35, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Agreed, it now seems to be fixed, once the containing page is purged. That most certainly wasn't the case at 12:25. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 13:58, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Purge seems to fix it now, though it didn't at around 12:00 today. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:35, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Can't reproduce now. Try to purge the page if you see it again? Thanks, --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 13:28, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Reference lists on talk pages
Hi, the problem of reference lists automatically and inappropriately appearing at the bottom of talk pages, next to threads that normally will be completely unconnected with them, was mentioned a while ago but still it has not been fixed. References need to be turned off by default on talk pages, and only included if specifically requested by an editor, in which case they need to appear at the bottom of the relevant section of text, not at the bottom of the page. Does anyone know the current status of this problem? 109.147.188.227 (talk) 13:45, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- See the bug list at Help:Automatically generated reference list. There seems to be no work on namespace detection. -- Gadget850 talk 22:25, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Bot or tool to keep the record of dead links
Is there any active bot of tool which searches pages for dead links and put a message somewhere in any Wiki Project sub page.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- There's User:Dispenser/Checklinks. It'll be upgraded in the coming months along with Reflinks, right now life issues are interfering. — Dispenser 14:23, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
mobile issue
Wikimedia was contacted Ticket:2014103110016121 with the observation that Dan Maffei seems fine except in mobile browsers. I tried Mobile Dan Maffei but it looks fine, here, and on my Android.
I will ask that person to respond here with more info. What is needed? Type of phone? OS? Anything else?--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:52, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- A description of the issue would be nice. In addition to that, the type of phone, OS and which mobile browser would also be good to know. A screenshot of the problem can make it easier to understand the issue as well. (I'm not seeing any problems under Chrome for Android and Android Browser by the way) Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:00, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, and whether this is wikipedia on the browser, or the wikipedia app. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 18:00, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- screenshot I see that the person hasn't followed up, although it is election day, so has other things to do at the moment.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:31, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
All sections not showing up on WP:RFD - too many, so possible technical issue
I noticed that on WP:RFD, the last two page transclusions, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 4 and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 5, aren't showing either on the page or the table of contents. I assume that is due to either the amount of transclusions or sections currently on the page, and this why I'm thinking that this is a technical issue. Is there a way this issue can be fixed? Steel1943 (talk) 22:53, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- When I click show preview, I get the message
- "Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included.
- Warning: This page contains too many expensive parser function calls.
- It should have less than 500 calls, there are now 604 calls."
- If I remove a few of the October pages, it starts working again. So it seems your guess is correct: too many transclusions or too long. Stickee (talk) 01:05, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Ah, now take a look at this:
<p><a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_September_5" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 5">Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 5</a>
<!-- WARNING: template omitted, post-expand include size too large -->
<a href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_September_4" title="Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 4">Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 September 4</a>
<!-- WARNING: template omitted, post-expand include size too large --></p>
<!--
NewPP limit report
Parsed by mw1051
CPU time usage: 17.977 seconds
Real time usage: 18.881 seconds
Preprocessor visited node count: 43140/1000000
Preprocessor generated node count: 65050/1500000
Post‐expand include size: 2048000/2048000 bytes
Template argument size: 57216/2048000 bytes
Highest expansion depth: 12/40
Expensive parser function count: 607/500
Lua time usage: 0.712/10.000 seconds
Lua memory usage: 4.33 MB/50 MB
-->
MediaWiki is saying you've exceeded the post-expand include size limit. In other words: it's too long. Update: After asking on IRC, your solutions are either to split it into multiple pages or find another way of decreasing the size. Stickee (talk) 01:29, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, if you click "Page information" under "Tools" or enable "Show hidden categories" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering then you can see it is in both Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded and Category:Pages with too many expensive parser function calls. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:34, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- The expensive parser function hit is coming from Template:No redirect, which uses #ifexist to decide whether to output a red link or an internal URL with redirect=no. Maybe we should remove this check? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 04:18, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Pending changes block
I'm working on a 'pending changes block' proposal that is to classic block what pending changes protection is to classic protection. My draft is at User:Cenarium/PCB and I welcome any input on the technical feasibility and ease of implementation before going ahead with the proposal. The technical details are covered here specifically. Cenarium (talk) 23:44, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
My edits?
I just learned about this tool (direct tool link) and made few changes, but I can't find my edits in "my global contribution" or anywhere. Any idea? --Tito☸Dutta 07:20, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Your edits are on Wikidata, see d:Special:Contributions/Titodutta. Zhaofeng Li [talk... contribs...] 08:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, but I can not see my recent edits (using this tool) there. I was wondering, that's why, where are "#My edits?" Regards. --Tito☸Dutta 09:17, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Did you actually make the Wikidata edits as described in your link "this tool"? If you only clicked "Yes" in the tool to say that two shown articles are about the same topic then it doesn't make edits but it logs your clicks at http://tools.wmflabs.org/yichengtry/checkbylist.php. When you are logged in you can see your own clicks by selecting "checked list" in the drop-down box. If you are not familiar with interlanguage linking at Wikidata then it can be non-trivial to sort out some situations when you make the actual edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Pages showing as still loading
In Firefox today, all pages I visit show that they are still loading (spinning green circle in the top left corner), despite all the data having loaded. What's causing that? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:44, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- My status bar says "Waiting for tools.wmflabs.org" It's annoying because popups won't load until the page finished loading completely. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 13:45, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. Yes, the persondata java script tool doesn't load until the page has finished loading too. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 13:50, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Still happening today. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:52, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Right, found it. I added the JS for Reflinks into my account about 3 weeks ago. Clearing that out, fixes it. Looks like it's trying to connect to something external for reflinks to work properly, but fails. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
There are articles about standard Unicode Blocks. Many of them represent symbols and are not real part of a special language, or they are part of a dead language : Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs Miao (Unicode block) Ornamental Dingbats Transport and Map Symbols Alchemical Symbols (Unicode block) Bamum Supplement Geometric Shapes Extended Old South Arabian (Unicode block) Old North Arabian (Unicode block) Egyptian Hieroglyphs (Unicode block) Supplemental Arrows-C Emoticons (Unicode block) Enclosed Alphanumeric Supplement.
Most Peoples who browse them won't be able to see a single single glyph, especially on embedded devices. This make them useless, as long as no fonts are included on the page (I know a set of free fonts which can be legally used for this).
Current dedicated extension, can't print those glyph, and for sure it would not be relevant to load Mo of data on each page to tell how a web browser should draw Water Closets or the Statue of Liberty. 2A02:8420:508D:CC00:56E6:FCFF:FEDB:2BBA (talk) 13:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Egyptian Hieroglyphs (Unicode block) and similar articles use {{infobox writing system}} which notes the issue and links to Help:Special characters. The alternative would be to add the font set as an image. -- Gadget850 talk 14:33, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, and Help:Special characters tell to download appropriate fonts. This will never work on many mobile phones. Also, Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs and Ornamental Dingbats Transport and Map Symbols don't use {{infobox writing system}}. 2A02:8420:508D:CC00:56E6:FCFF:FEDB:2BBA (talk) 14:39, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- There was a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Writing systems/Archive 9#Backup images of alphabet charts. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:46, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- There is some webfonts discussions on mw:Universal Language Selector/WebFonts as well. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:28, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, and since, the possibility to use an image as a glyph (vectorial or raster) have been deprecated. Chrome already removed support. and mw:Universal Language Selector/WebFonts can't help since most of those glyph aren't part of any language
- There is some webfonts discussions on mw:Universal Language Selector/WebFonts as well. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:28, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- There was a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Writing systems/Archive 9#Backup images of alphabet charts. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:46, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- I made the Egyptian Hieroglyphs somewhat better, by editing Template:Unicode chart Egyptian Hieroglyphs. Enwiki does have hieroglyph markup support, which I did use to fix that, but as you can see it is far from being perfect. At least though it is better to see some hieroglyphs than none. You can file a bug for the remaining hieroglyphs on bugzilla, under the product MediaWiki extensions and the component WikiHiero.--Snaevar (talk) 10:39, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- I don't have a bugzilla account. 2A02:8420:508D:CC00:56E6:FCFF:FEDB:2BBA (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Somewhat ironically, that is tracked in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148 (from 2004). I think that the migration to Phabricator will allow more non-logged in nicities, but don't hold me to that. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:13, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- I don't have a bugzilla account. 2A02:8420:508D:CC00:56E6:FCFF:FEDB:2BBA (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, and Help:Special characters tell to download appropriate fonts. This will never work on many mobile phones. Also, Miscellaneous Symbols and Pictographs and Ornamental Dingbats Transport and Map Symbols don't use {{infobox writing system}}. 2A02:8420:508D:CC00:56E6:FCFF:FEDB:2BBA (talk) 14:39, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Automatically mark spelling errors as errors
Not going anywhere, since people don't bother to read the proposal
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I want to suggest something at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals), but I don't know if it's possible without major assistance from developers, so I figured I'd check here to see if we could implement it locally. Right now, if you have a link to a misspelling, it's treated as any other link: Geroge Bush works just as well as George Bush. It's easy to notice some spelling errors (e.g. New Yokr) because they don't exist as redirects, but once we've created a redirect to help correct spelling errors, this little benefit disappears. What if we had some way of marking misspellings as misspellings? I'm imagining the software auto-placing {{copy edit}} after a misspelling under the following conditions:
Is this idea possible, perhaps via a modification to the site JS? Or if not, would it be reasonable to have a bot that tags (or fixes) such links? Spellchecking bots are a bad idea in general, but that's because they can't understand contexts; it's impossible for them to know that "Ohoi" is a mistake for "Ohio" and not a reference to something else. In my limited proposal, no context is required, since a human's already tagged Unites States as a misspelling after determining that it is a mistake. Nyttend (talk) 18:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
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Template help needed
Because a template has been nominated for deletion, it has somehow broken the template and made a mess wherever it is used. Can someone tech savoy please look at this chart and demonstrate how to fix the problem. Thanks.—John Cline (talk) 22:13, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- I'm now unbreaking the eleven templates by converting the TfD notices to inline-type notices within the table cells the templates create. SiBr4 (talk) 22:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) The templates could be modified to put the
{{Template for discussion/dated}}
inside a<noinclude>...</noinclude>
, but that would mean that many people would be unaware that the templates were up for deletion until they suddenly disappeared. If a convincing case can be made at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 November 1#Hotcold templates for speedy keep, the notice can be removed earlier than the standard week or six that TfDs take. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:44, 1 November 2014 (UTC)- I appreciate the effort that both of you gave to help me understand what had happened to break the template's output, and for correcting the code to restore its functionality with wiki goodwill and speed. And for observing such fine examples of selfless service, I am uplifted; going now, upon high, to tell it on the mountain – so others can know of the good work that was done here today! Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 10:07, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
data-sort-value
Does anybody know why the alpha sorting isn't working at List of artists who have covered Bob Dylan songs. I am using data-sort-value. Have I missed something? Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 23:35, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Richhoncho: It seems to work for me. What specifically seems to be the problem? Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:01, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Here's the message left on my talkpage. "Hi, Rich. I'm in the process of adding a few artists/songs to List of artists who have covered Bob Dylan songs and noticed that the sorting isn't working properly. Sometimes when I click the Artist header, it works fine. Other times, the order goes awry just after Bobby Darin, at which point sorting is by song title. I checked the hypertext, and everything seems okay, so there may be a bug in the programming. If you get a chance, could you take a look at this? Thanks." Same thing sometimes happens to me. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:32, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- You screwed things up by using fancy quotes (“” and ‘’) instead of normal quotes (" and '), particularly as attempted quoting for the HTML attributes, so some of the sort values were coming out as "data-sort-value" itself. I went ahead and replaced them all, and things seem to be working again. Anomie⚔ 11:28, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:56, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- You screwed things up by using fancy quotes (“” and ‘’) instead of normal quotes (" and '), particularly as attempted quoting for the HTML attributes, so some of the sort values were coming out as "data-sort-value" itself. I went ahead and replaced them all, and things seem to be working again. Anomie⚔ 11:28, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Here's the message left on my talkpage. "Hi, Rich. I'm in the process of adding a few artists/songs to List of artists who have covered Bob Dylan songs and noticed that the sorting isn't working properly. Sometimes when I click the Artist header, it works fine. Other times, the order goes awry just after Bobby Darin, at which point sorting is by song title. I checked the hypertext, and everything seems okay, so there may be a bug in the programming. If you get a chance, could you take a look at this? Thanks." Same thing sometimes happens to me. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 09:32, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Causing a within page link to appear as non bold re: template:History of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
An issue has been raised at Talk:Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#History_of_the_Islamic_State_infobox related to the function of template:History of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant when it is placed in the main article History of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
The reason is complications related to the last two items. In response to widespread political, Islamic and other rejection of the name "Islamic State", Wikipedia has kept with the use of the longer title: Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant but we still use reference to the self-declared "Islamic State" in the history section.
At present the links in the template display as follows:
Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (1999–2004)
Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (2004–06)
Mujahideen Shura Council (2006)
Islamic State of Iraq (2006–13)
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (2013–14)
Self-described as: Islamic State (2014–present)
With the second line currently presented as:
[[Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant|Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant]] <small>(2013–14)</small>
I appreciate the futility of the piping used which was in an attempt to remove the bold effect.
Help/advice would be appreciated. Gregkaye ✍♪ 09:30, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Gregkaye: There are at least two techniques, both of my suggestions involve a piped link. One is to link to a redirect; the other is to link to an anchor near or at the very top of the page - that is, add the fragment
#content
thus[[Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#content|Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant]]
-content
being the value of the firstid=
attribute in the body section of any Wikipedia page, in both Vector and MonoBook. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:40, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- You could use something like this for all of the links so that whatever page the template lands on, the current page isn't in bold font:
{{#ifeq: {{PAGENAME}} | Village pump (technical) | Village pump (technical) | [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]]}}
- which gives:
- Village pump (technical)
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 11:23, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- {{No selflink}} does this. It appears Gregkaye wants a link but not in bold. I don't know why. The bold text when navboxes are displayed on the linked page is standard and many readers expect it. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:23, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
My edits on Bloodline (Netflix TV Series) glitched?
So I was editing the article, before I was going to accept it as a draft, and I fixed a </ref> tag. Then, I accepted it. But the acceptance message for the article was sent to me! When I looked at the page history, it seems I deleted 30 lines of templates and replaced it with one submission template with my username on it. I'm very sure I would've noticed if I did that, and I'm fairly sure I didn't delete the templates and replace them. Anyone know what I just did? Diff of the edit. Grognard Chess (talk) Ping when replying 14:56, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Chess: The diff is actually [7]. See Help:Diff. Some subst code in the previous version had not been substituted due to the unclosed ref. The subst was activated when you closed the ref, so it looked like it was you who made the subst. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Tech News: 2014-45
17:28, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Active users list
Here it contains all kind of users not starting from Albino. Similarly, Commons has a basic "Recent activity" link [27], on the bottom of "User contributions", which leads me to Mateus Chiquititas Rebelde instead of myself. (Removing "limit=1" brings us to the en.wiki case). I don't use "active users list" on en.wiki so often, but I'm sure it worked on Commons until recently. Can we get it fixed? Materialscientist (talk) 01:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Special:Contributions/Albino shows no edits at the English Wikipedia so it's expected that Albino is not at Special:ActiveUsers. commons:Special:Contributions/Materialscientist does show a lot of activity so I don't know why you are missing from commons:Special:ActiveUsers. [28] shows you are skipped in a list starting before and ending after you, so it isn't an off-by-one error and the limit=1 comment at commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#Active users list is not relevant. It wouldn't help to change the limit at commons:MediaWiki:sp-contributions-footer. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:47, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Do you mean that in [29] the tag "Display users starting at" does not actually mean "starting at", but instead requires the prefix to be a valid username? Materialscientist (talk) 02:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- No, I mean Special:ActiveUsers says "This is a list of users who had some kind of activity within the last 30 days". User:Albino is a real user shown at Special:Listusers/Albino, but has no activity within the last 30 days. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- I see. My main concern is that the prefix filter doesn't work. Materialscientist (talk) 03:38, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- There is no prefix filter. The special page runs a SQL query which (in essence) sets a counter to zero, jumps into the active users table at the start point (
username=Albino
) and works forward testing against selection criteria (hidebots=1&hidesysops=1
) and for each matching row, increments the counter, formats and displays that row, until either the counter shows that sufficient rows (limit=250
) have been output, or the end of the table is reached. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)- @Materialscientist: I can see you on those lists at Commons unless, obviously, I set
hidesysops=1
. - @Redrose64: Are you sure? This returns "No users found", so I would think that a row that matches the activity criterion but also one of the hide filters would still increment the counter, such that the output can be shorter than the limit. — HHHIPPO 20:18, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yess... this returns 1 user, it should return 2. It looks like the
hidesysops=1
is processed after the counter is incremented. One for Bugzilla. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:24, 4 November 2014 (UTC) - The Commons results have changed since this discussion started. I don't know why but maybe it's related to Commons upgrading to 1.25wmf6 earlier today. The above links [30] and [31] show Materialscientist now but did not when they were posted. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter: The original link included
&hidesysops=1
- your most recent two do not, that is the difference. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- @PrimeHunter: The original link included
- Yess... this returns 1 user, it should return 2. It looks like the
- @Materialscientist: I can see you on those lists at Commons unless, obviously, I set
- There is no prefix filter. The special page runs a SQL query which (in essence) sets a counter to zero, jumps into the active users table at the start point (
- I see. My main concern is that the prefix filter doesn't work. Materialscientist (talk) 03:38, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- No, I mean Special:ActiveUsers says "This is a list of users who had some kind of activity within the last 30 days". User:Albino is a real user shown at Special:Listusers/Albino, but has no activity within the last 30 days. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Do you mean that in [29] the tag "Display users starting at" does not actually mean "starting at", but instead requires the prefix to be a valid username? Materialscientist (talk) 02:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- No, that's not it. The first link posted by Materialscientist is to Wikipedia and includes
&hidesysops=1
, but I copied the second link which is to Commons and never said&hidesysops=1
.[32] The second link I copied is from my 02:47 post and never said&hidesysops=1
either.[33] The result of clicking those two links has definitely changed since 02:47 where they did not show Materialscientist. The first said "Mateus Chiquititas Rebelde" as reported in the original post. The second was a list without Materialscientist. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:12, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- No, that's not it. The first link posted by Materialscientist is to Wikipedia and includes
TemplateData: Extending use; removing redundancy
Please see my proposal for combining TemplateData and template parameter documentation; and including Wikidata equivalences. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:02, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Signature
I have noticed that my signature in my Talk page appears with a #top –
- [[User:P123ct1|P123ct1]] ([[User talk:P123ct1#top|talk]])
– but not elsewhere. Why is this? ~ P123ct1 (talk) 12:17, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, the default sig does seem to have changed subtly. My guess is so that the word talk doesn't get bolded. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure why you think that has changed.... It's been that way since December of 2007 when Mr.Z-man added it in this edit... MediaWiki:Signature is where the default signature code is. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 13:18, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- It was actually this edit but still in December 2007 by Mr.Z-man. P123ct1, the mentioned bolding is the feature at Help:Self link. If you copy your signature from here to your user talk page then it will display as P123ct1 (talk). #top is an anchor automatically inserted on all pages near the top. A customized signature with enough spare room in the 255 allowed characters can get this feature by adding
{{SUBST:#ifeq:{{SUBST:FULLPAGENAME}}|User talk:YOURUSERNAME|#top}}
(as rendered here withYOURUSERNAME
replaced) at the end of the user talk link, for example[[User talk:PrimeHunter{{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|User talk:PrimeHunter|#top}}|talk]]
. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:09, 4 November 2014 (UTC)- Why would I want bolding, and why does the signature appear with #top only on my Talk page and not elsewhere? All pages near the top of what? Is Help:Self link a joke? I don't speak Rune! ~ P123ct1 (talk) 14:25, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- It only appears on your talk page because that is the only page where
[[User talk:P123ct1|talk]]
would not display as a link but as boldface instead. By including a section anchor, the bolding is suppressed and it appears as a normal wikilink.top
is one of a small number of predefined anchors that occur on every single Wikipedia page, regardless of skin, namespace or page content. Physically and visually, it's just before the main heading for the page. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:26, 4 November 2014 (UTC)- Yes, the html source of User talk:P123ct1 contains
<a id="top"></a>
before the heading "User talk:P123ct1". This code is automaticaly added by the MediaWiki software regardless of the wikisource of the page. It means you can link directly to that place. Compare User talk:P123ct1 and User talk:P123ct1#top. Your browser will probably scroll down a little to the page heading when you click the second link. There are similar id'smw-page-base
,mw-head-base
,content
even earlier on the page but they are longer, less intuitive and possibly less stable. User talk:Redrose64#Protection advice shows what happens without#top
in the signature: You get bold unlinked talk. This is a deliberate feature of MediaWiki so it's easy to spot attempts at normal wikilinking to the page you are already on. Another example for this page:[[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]]
produces Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) here. In articles it especially happens in navboxes, for example those at the bottom of Stephanie Beacham. They say Stephanie Beacham where the same template on other pages would have displayed the link Stephanie Beacham. I think it's a nice feature in navigation, especially when the link is piped and doesn't simply display the page name. The navigation links "Policy Technical Proposals Idea lab Miscellaneous" at top of this Village pump are made with Template:Village pump page header, but the link code[[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)|Technical]]
displays as Technical here. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:28, 4 November 2014 (UTC)- Less stable, indeed.
mw-page-base
andmw-head-base
are used only in Vector skin;content
is used in all except Modern. For that matter,top
isn't used in either Cologne Blue or Modern, but these are less commonly used. I think that the only truly universal anchor isfirstHeading
which is right at the start of the main heading for the page. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:31, 4 November 2014 (UTC) - I didn't understand any of that, which doesn't matter, as all I want to know now is (a) why I should want to have bold and (b) what does it do? They are very simple questions, so may I have a simple answer? (not in Rune, please.) I am not computer-literate. ~ P123ct1 (talk) 13:57, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- (a) You shouldn't want to have bold in signatures. The whole reason for #top is to avoid bold. (b) #top avoids bold. That's the simple answers. We have explained the technical details very carefully. If technical explanations are Rune to you then you must live with the simple answers, and probably shouldn't ask for technical answers (as you must expect at the technical village pump), or try to update technical documentation. I have reverted your edits to Help:Link#What is an "anchor"? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:00, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Less stable, indeed.
- Yes, the html source of User talk:P123ct1 contains
- It only appears on your talk page because that is the only page where
- Why would I want bolding, and why does the signature appear with #top only on my Talk page and not elsewhere? All pages near the top of what? Is Help:Self link a joke? I don't speak Rune! ~ P123ct1 (talk) 14:25, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- It was actually this edit but still in December 2007 by Mr.Z-man. P123ct1, the mentioned bolding is the feature at Help:Self link. If you copy your signature from here to your user talk page then it will display as P123ct1 (talk). #top is an anchor automatically inserted on all pages near the top. A customized signature with enough spare room in the 255 allowed characters can get this feature by adding
Combining abbr and wikilink
Combining <abbr>
and [[#SomeAnchor]]
touches high-level accessability design. (For example: U.S.). Here I ask if it is a good idea to use it. (I suggest continuing talk there). -DePiep (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
My edits to a specific page?
Is there a way to find all the edits I've made to a specific page? -- RoySmith (talk) 15:06, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Yes. Go to the history tab of the page in question, and look down an inch or two for the line of "External tools". The tool you are looking for is "Edits by user". -- John of Reading (talk) 15:12, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- You can also use commons:MediaWiki:Gadget-rightsfilter.js to filter any list in any page. Helder 23:04, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Rangeblock calculator down
The rangeblock calculator seems to have been down for a while. Does anyone know who to ask about it, and does anyone know of any other tools on the web that will let me input a list of IPs and will output a range that catches them all? Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:11, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- I have used this tool (not WMF related). --Stryn (talk) 21:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you, Stryn! That works nicely, and with only slightly more effort than the Labs tool. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Simple Move
I'd like to move the Simple English article on Islamic State to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant as per main English article. Please advise. Gregkaye ✍♪ 22:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- The English Wikipedia is totally independent of the Simple English Wikipedia. You should ask there instead of here. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:33, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- It's the same as English Wikipedia. At the top of simple:Islamic State there is a "Move" link in the "More" tab (Vector skin) or a "move" tab (MonoBook skin); use that. The page simple:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant already exists, but it was created by making the opposite move, so you should be able to move over that. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:37, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Redrose64 for some reason all I see are the tabs: Read, Change, Change source and View history which are followed by the star icon for placing pages onto watchlist. There's nothing more. When I went into View history, I found the edit] in which the page was moved to Islamic State and tried to undo the change through two routes, and Either way I get a "The change appears to have already been undone." text in red placed just above the editing area and when I hit the save page button I am returned to the main article page with existing title and without the change being undone. Its baffling.
- In simple, the link simple:WP:PUMP works as a redirect to simple:Wikipedia:Simple talk. Is this an appropriate place to pursue this or are there other specific options? Gregkaye ✍♪ 05:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Gregkaye: Page moves cannot be undone using an "undo" link - that's for undoing normal page edits. Confusingly, page moves (as well as some other actions like page protection) show up in the page history as if they were normal edits (example); but notice the absence of a diff at the top - it says "(No difference)" instead, because no text is changed when a page is moved. The message "The change appears to have already been undone" appears if the result of an attempted undo would not change the current text on the page.
- simple:Help:Moving a page says that you need to be an autoconfirmed user in order to make a page move; I notice that you have only four edits, so you're not yet autoconfirmed. When you are autoconfirmed, the "More" menu, in which the "Move" link appears, should appear between the watchlist star and the search box. Moving the page should certainly be discussed, because there have been two previous moves, so another could well be controversial (this is why I'm not going to move it myself, even though I am autoconfirmed at simple:). You could propose the move at the article's talk page; I don't see a problem in also informing simple:WP:PUMP of the discussion on the article's talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:48, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- It's the same as English Wikipedia. At the top of simple:Islamic State there is a "Move" link in the "More" tab (Vector skin) or a "move" tab (MonoBook skin); use that. The page simple:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant already exists, but it was created by making the opposite move, so you should be able to move over that. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:37, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Reflinks error
When I try to access Reflinks, I get "Internal error: The URI you have requested, /fengtools/reflinks/, appears to be non-functional at this time." --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:35, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Easier searching for templates
When using the search box, could the search box be designed that if I type {{navbox}}, the search box software recognizes that I'm looking for Template:Navbox? I suspect that I'm not the only who copy-pastes an instance of a template in code to get to the page about it, so this would save me and other a lot of typing. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 23:47, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- It's a nice idea but it would require a change in MediaWiki as far as I can see. We can "almost" do something about it here at the English Wikipedia but it fails because '{' and '}' are at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Forbidden characters. That means a search on "{{navbox}}" [34] does not display MediaWiki:Searchmenu-new to registered users who can create mainspace pages. uselang=qqx does not show any MediaWiki message called with the search term, unlike for example [35]. If MediaWiki:Searchmenu-new had been displayed like on normal searches then we could have used
$1
to check for searches of form{{...}}
and test whether...
is the name of a template. We could not have redirected to the template but we could have linked to it at top of the search results. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:48, 5 November 2014 (UTC)- A Mediawiki change is what I had in mind and what I assumed it would be. It would be nice for every language to have this ability. Also, the templates appear on the dropdown menu so you don't have to hit the enter key and pick it from the results page. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- MediaWiki changes need to be filed at bugzilla:. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Oiyarbepsy: it's usually better to explain the problem or need, rather than ask for some specific proposed solution.
- if i understand the need, it's something like this: "when editing an article using "edit source" (if you have VE installed) or "Edit" (if you don't), i find a template, and i wish to get directly to the template page".
- if this indeed represents the need, then the answer is: when editing a page, a list of all templates transcluded in it (including indirect transclusion, i.e., templates used by other templates transcluded in the page) appear at the bottom of the page. use this to get directly to the desired template (unfortunately, i think this is missing when editing a section - i don't know why).
- it might be a cute enhancement to allow searches starting with "{{" to pretend they begin with "Template:", and it's possible to create a script that will do that for you (to demonstrate, i whipped up User:קיפודנחש/CuteSearch.js), but i do not think it will be a good idea to make it the default behavior: the search tool should be optimized for the needs of the readers. for the editors, we have "advanced search" (click the magnifying glass icon in the search box), which allows you to determine which namespace/s will be searched.
- peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 17:46, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- The advanced search misses the point. I'm talking about cases where I know exactly what the template is called because I just copypasted it from wikicode. This is about saving time when I know exactly where I'm going. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Also, I wasn't requesting a Mediawiki revision, I just assumed that would be required to make it happen. I sometimes assume wrong. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:53, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Oiyarbepsy: you might want to try the script i linked above. worst comes to worst, if it doesn't do what you want, uninstall it. peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 06:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- MediaWiki changes need to be filed at bugzilla:. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- A Mediawiki change is what I had in mind and what I assumed it would be. It would be nice for every language to have this ability. Also, the templates appear on the dropdown menu so you don't have to hit the enter key and pick it from the results page. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:45, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Revision history statistics
hi , the "revision history statistics " link is down,its at "External tools" in page histories at the English Wikipedia for users with en or en-gb as language. It's made by MediaWiki:Histlegend and goes to [36]. thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 00:29, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- In mid October the tool timed out and was annoying to wait for without knowing whether it worked, so I added a down message to MediaWiki:Histlegend.[37] Should we add down messages to external tools in MediaWiki messages if we don't know how long they will be down, and clicking them immediately reveals that they are down now? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:55, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- The communication regarding technical problems with these statistics counters (X Tools) and WMFLabs DBs is poor and needs to be significantly improved. Not only are these tools down a lot lately or else very slow but I also found recent examples of incorrect data being displayed (data corruption?). Editors who want to report these issues or find out more about them are left in the dark and there is no easily available location to find information and get answers and status updates (see also my unanswered post above titled 'Edit Counters missing data'). I appreciate the significant effort put into these tools by all the creators but it should be possible to better inform editors when these tools are experiencing technical problems.--Wolbo (talk) 01:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Viewing changes instantly
I think Wikipedia should have the preview displayed automatically in Google Chrome and when ever the sources code in the edit box gets changed, the text in the preview should change by itself without you having to click 'Show preview'. I think it might also technically possible to do what I suggested in Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_111#Teahouse questions in Google Chrome but not in Internet Explorer. I think Wikipedia should even change in such a way that that when ever an edit occurs on a page that you're reading, the edit actually occurs right in front of your eyes in Google Chrome even if you don't refresh the page, just like you don't have to refresh to see an email you just got pop up in gmail. That way, more people will undo edits they saw pop up that weren't worth making. If that's not possible, then maybe Wikipedia could just do nothing and wait for a newer version of Google Chrome to get made that will make all changes in any web page you're viewing automatically show the change right in front of your eyes, just like I once gave Google feedback that Internet Explorer 12 should do, then all 3 changes I said here were probably technically possible except for the first will happen automatically when that version of Google Chrome starts existing even if nobody managing Wikipedia does anything to make that change. In fact not only would somebody viewing the teahouse see their post appear without reloading the page just like a facebook post when they post their own question but they would also see that happen when somebody else posts their question. Because asking a question at the teahouse opens a popup box, even if somebody else posts their question when they're in the middle of asking their question, it should still be possible for them to see the other person's question pop up behind their question box then click 'Ask my question' and still have it post the same way as a facebook post and not cause an edit conflict. I also think that once that version of Google Chrome starts existing, the having the preview show automatically won't happen automatically but the change of the preview automatically updating itself once you click 'Show preview' will happen automatically eliminating the need to click 'Show preview' a second time. Blackbombchu (talk) 02:10, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Having an article change out from under a reader is a terrible idea. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:25, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- In that case, the ability to see any web page change instantly could be an option whose default is to be turned off that anyone can turn on in internet options. Blackbombchu (talk) 17:39, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Having an edit change the article while your editing (without the preview button) is one of the features of the visual editors, altho it does have some flaws. But Jack McBarn is right about readers, they should see a static page unless they hit the reload button. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:43, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Web pages that change frequently (not necessarily instantly) do exist (they do it by means of the
<meta http-equiv="Expires" content="..." />
element); the ones that I've encountered are mainly those with live coverage of a sports match. Test cricket is an excellent example; the match lasts five days, but the page can update several times per over. But Wikipedia is not a news feed. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:16, 5 November 2014 (UTC)- Except for talk pages, which, while not a news feed, are a defacto discussion board. I presume that WP:Flow will live update. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:54, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- User:Quiddity (WMF) should be able to tell us whether that's planned. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:27, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Except for talk pages, which, while not a news feed, are a defacto discussion board. I presume that WP:Flow will live update. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:54, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
How does one make the "atschool" auto-appear and disappear on a schedule?
I am, like many, at school during weekdays. Whilst I can contribute to Wikipedia on occasion, I am nonetheless not readily available until mid-afternoon. Is there some way to set the "atschool" template to run on a schedule? Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 14:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Those particular templates are intended for extended absences from Wikipedia (like when you'll be away for a week during finals and similar), and not for day to day on/offline type status. You could take advantage of parser functions and magic words to do what you want, in essence writing your own wrapper template. Such a template would follow the exact pattern and would never deviate from it. If you would like help with this, I'd be happy to give it a go (shouldn't be too hard for someone experienced in complex templates). I'll need to know your timezone and what schedule you want it to cycle through. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:44, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks much for the response! I'm in Eastern Standard Time in North America, and I have school from 7:24 - 13:51 from Monday till Friday from September (or very late August) till May or till early to mid June (it really depends on the circumstances). The reason why I liked that "atschool" template was because it said that I "might possibly be able to edit on occasion", because that is true enough, though I wanted it to be clear that there was no guarantee that such would be the case on any given day. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 20:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Being in EST, it can't be 100% automagical, as there is no way via template to deal with DST at the moment (the logic is in the parser function, but since Wikipedia uses UTC, we can't access it here on this wiki). So, at the start of the school year, you'll want to put the code on your user page (and maybe on your talk page edit notice). You'll also have to change the
-5 hours
to-4 hours
when the change happens in the spring and the-4 hours
to-5 hours
when the change happens in the fall. The code for the winter months (EST months - eg now) will be{{#ifexpr:{{#time:N|-5 hours}} <=5|{{#ifexpr:{{#time:G|-5 hours}} > 7|{{#ifexpr:{{#time:G|-5 hours}} < 14|{{Atschool}}}}}}}}
— This code will have the template only show up from 7AM - 2PM Monday-Friday. I don't think it is really a good idea to have it be any more specific than that (down to the minute), although if you really wanted to, you could do it based on what I've given you to start and the #time parser function documentation. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 22:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)- Thanks much! I really appreciate it! Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 22:42, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @T13: There is a formula to calculate DST dates in the EU at Summer Time in Europe#Exact transition dates; I use a parser function-driven DST switch based on that formula on my userpage. I think a similar trick should be possible for North American DST rules too. SiBr4 (talk) 23:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- This can probably done with Template:Time, which says it takes daylight savings into account. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 00:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- With all my years here, I actually never came across that template before... Thanks for the heads up Mr. S. So, based on this new knowledge, the new chunk of code that you won't have to worry about making DST adjustments (although you still should comment it out during summer break) would be:
{{#ifexpr:{{#time:N|{{Time/EST offset}}}} <=5|{{#ifexpr:{{#time:G|{{Time/EST offset}}}} > 7|{{#ifexpr:{{#time:G|{{Time/EST offset}}}} < 14|{{Atschool}}}}}}}}
— {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 00:53, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- With all my years here, I actually never came across that template before... Thanks for the heads up Mr. S. So, based on this new knowledge, the new chunk of code that you won't have to worry about making DST adjustments (although you still should comment it out during summer break) would be:
- This can probably done with Template:Time, which says it takes daylight savings into account. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 00:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks much again, Technical 13, as well as everyone else! However... this is my last year until University, so I will probably have to make changes to it or use it for something entirely different in the years to come. Tharthandorf Aquanashi (talk) 01:04, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Technical 13: Would you be kind enough to add this functionality to the {{at school}} template? I'm sure Tharthan is not the only user interested in this option! SFB 18:15, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Due to the multiplicity of combinations of days on or off and hours of various days, I think adding it to the template in this capacity would be way too much template bloat and would be a bad idea. Perhaps you could get Mr. S. to write a wrapper module in Lua that would allow you to set your timezone, set your days of the weeks and hours, and set which template you want transcluded during those times. Good luck! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Who or what is going to arrange for the page to be purged at the appropriate times? -- John of Reading (talk) 19:32, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Due to the multiplicity of combinations of days on or off and hours of various days, I think adding it to the template in this capacity would be way too much template bloat and would be a bad idea. Perhaps you could get Mr. S. to write a wrapper module in Lua that would allow you to set your timezone, set your days of the weeks and hours, and set which template you want transcluded during those times. Good luck! — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 18:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Xtools are still intermittent
The Xtools are still intermittent. Ordinarily, one line at the top of each page contains useful statistics. They disappeared last night, for me, again. Should I file a bug report? --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 16:09, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- And now 03:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC), they are back; after accessing 'full page statistics', I just noticed
- "Notice: Again issues with Tool Labs databases after db maintenance. Some wiki's won't work. Sorry about that!"
- I guess we just live with it, eh? It's a benign issue, really. --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 03:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia ads
I have deployed Wikipedia ads template on my userpage, But the size of this ad is small, I wish to reconfigure this ad so that it fits to my profile(increasing height & width). How can this be accomplished? ( !dea4u 05:37, 6 November 2014 (UTC))
- This would need a change to Module:Wikipedia ads. Looking at the module code gives me an urge to rewrite the whole thing, and especially to change the format of Module:Wikipedia ads/list. It could be possible to add a hack to make the images resizable until someone gets around to rewriting it, but personally I would prefer a rewrite. If you want to have bigger ads straight away, you can add a random Wikipedia ad directly to your userpage by using
[[File:Qxz-ad{{#invoke:random|number|235}}.gif|800px]]
. This displays a random file from File:Qxz-ad1.gif to File:Qxz-ad235.gif, with a width of 800px. Some files using this pattern of filename do not exist, however, so when those files are randomly selected, the code won't work. And it won't detect new ads. But for the most part, that code should do what you want. Change the width to suit your setup. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 10:40, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Error
There is a major error in mobile version Wikipedia (en.m.wikipedia.org). Two icons, one that link to Special:Notifications and the other that links to Mobile menu has suddenly vanished. Look at this, both the icons are missing but other icons like this and this are appearing without any trouble. I have tried three different phones Samsung Galaxy S4, LG smart phone and one other; I have tried 4 browsers, UC Browser, Opera Mini and two default browers but the problem persists. I have even tried two different connections, 2G and 3G. But it appears that the problem is in Wikipedia not in my device. I have just now logged in to commons and hasn't found this problem there. Please fix this issues as soon as possible. Mobile users having trouble without those links. Thanks, Jim Carter 13:58, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- I just went to the page [38] on my Galaxy S2, Android 4.2.2, and both the stock Android browser and Firefox 36.0a1 show the two icons that are missing for you. Do you still have the problem? If so, could it be due to the free Wikipedia from Aircel that you are using? Maybe they're filtering out certain images. Try a Wifi connection to check. AxelBoldt (talk) 16:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Hey, now working properly. I don't know who fixed it. But, thanks! And thank you too. Jim Carter 18:13, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Short pages and Draft article space
Something changed overnight, and I'm wondering who to go to in order to find out if it was intentional, accidental, permanent, etc. I do Short Pages patrolling regularly. Overnight something changed, and suddenly pages in the Draft article-space are appearing on the list. They were not there as of yesterday. This change greatly reduces the useability of the short pages list. Draft article-space pages are not subject to a lot of normal article restrictions that would let me clean them out of the list, and I would rather not start sticking the normal "Long Comment" on them that gets placed on legitimate short pages to force them down the list. So I'm wondering what should be my next step in either requesting the change be rolled-back, seeing if it's a bug somewhere, or finding out that it's a change that will have to be lived with. - TexasAndroid (talk) 14:23, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Ghost edit?
I got a notification that AcidSnow "reverted" me on the article Somalia. I found that I had reverted AcidSnow's edit. However I have never edited Somalia, and neither have I enabled HHVM as shown in the diff. Yeah, I was reading the article around that time; but is it possible for an edit to be assigned to my contributions, when I was not the one who did that edit? Or am I suffering from memory loss? --Fauzan✆ talk✉ mail 18:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Phabricator update
For those of you who deal with bug reports and the like, the current, tentative notion is that Bugzilla will go offline on 21 November, and Phabricator will go live the following Monday or Tuesday, after importing things. You can read more about it at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T15
It would probably be a good idea to think about what needs to be updated here (e.g., the recommendation that bugs be reported at Bugzilla at the top of this page). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
VisualEditor newsletter—November 2014
Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and requests, and worked on support for editing tables and for using non-Latin languages. Their weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org. Informal notes from the recent quarterly review were posted on Meta.
Recent improvements
The French Wikipedia should see better search results for links, templates, and media because the new search engine was turned on for everyone there. This change is expected at the Chinese and German Wikipedias next week, and eventually at the English Wikipedia.
The "pawn" system has been mostly replaced. Bugs in this system sometimes added a chess pawn character to wikitext. The replacement provides better support for non-Latin languages, with full support hopefully coming soon.
VisualEditor is now provided to editors who use Internet Explorer 10 or 11 on desktop and mobile devices. Internet Explorer 9 is not supported yet.
The keyboard shortcuts for items in the toolbar's menus are now shown in the menus. VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme from the User Experience / Design group. The appearance of dialogs has already changed in one Mobile version. The appearance on desktops will change soon. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" design and the new "MediaWiki" theme which will replace it.)
Several bugs were fixed for internal and external links. Improvements to MediaWiki's search solved an annoying problem: If you searched for the full name of the page or file that you wanted to link, sometimes the search program could not find the page. A link inside a template, to a local page that does not exist, will now show red, exactly as it does when reading the page. Due to a error, for about two weeks this also affected all external links inside templates. Opening an auto-numbered link node like [39] with the keyboard used to open the wrong link tool. These problems have all been fixed.
TemplateData
The tool for quickly editing TemplateData will be deployed to all Wikimedia Foundation wikis on Thursday, 6 November. This tool is already available on the biggest 40 Wikipedias, and now all wikis will have access to it. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation. When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Edit template data" button at the top. Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.
You can use the new autovalue setting to pre-load a value into a template. This can be used to substitute dates, as in this example, or to add the most common response for that parameter. The autovalue can be easily overridden by the editor, by typing something else in the field.
In TemplateData, you may define a parameter as "required". The template dialog in VisualEditor will warn editors if they leave a "required" parameter empty, and they will not be able to delete that parameter. If the template can function without this parameter, then please mark it as "suggested" or "optional" in TemplateData instead.
Looking ahead
Basic support for inserting tables and changing the number of rows and columns in tables will appear next Wednesday. Advanced features, like dragging columns to different places, will be possible later. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. To help editors find the most important items more quickly, some items in the toolbar menus will be hidden behind a "More" item, such as "underlining" in the styling menu. The appearance of the media search dialog will improve, to make picking between possible images easier and more visual. The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap.
The user guide will be updated soon to add information about editing tables. The translations for most languages except Spanish, French, and Dutch are significantly out of date. Please help complete the current translations for users who speak your language. if you need help exporting the translated guide to your wiki.
You can influence VisualEditor's design. Tell the VisualEditor team what you want changed during the office hours via IRC. The next sessions are on Wednesday, 19 November at 16:00 UTC and on Wednesday 7 January 2015 at 22:00 UTC. You can also share your ideas at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
Also, user experience researcher Abbey Ripstra is looking for editors to show her how they edit Wikipedia. Please sign up for the research program if you would like to hear about opportunities.
If you would like to help with translations of this newsletter, please subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Subscribe or unsubscribe at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter. Thank you!
— Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:40, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- It would be nice if, a decade or so after Wikipedia (formerly WikipediA) abandoned camel case, the WMF would stop imposing it upon us. TemplateData, VisualEditor and TimedText are three examples. We are trying to be user friendly, and obscure capitalization is not that. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:10, 6 November 2014 (UTC).
Test?
Would some of you mind trying this, please?:
- Log out. Refresh your browser so you're in the default skin and preferences that 99% of our readers use. Hover your mouse pointer on the second footnote marker.[2]
- Log in. Hover your mouse pointer on (or under, depending on your preferences settings) the second footnote marker.[2]
In Firefox and IE on Windows 8 you will see a tooltip displaying the text supported by that source. Does it work on other operating systems and browsers?
The British Polio Fellowship, then called The Infantile Paralysis Fellowship, was founded on the 29th January 1939 by Patricia Carey, who had contracted polio aged eight, and Frederic Morena, who had contracted the disease at the age of 42, as a self-help and mutual aid society for those affected by polio. They called a meeting in January 1938 at Bloomsbury, London which was attended by 30 people and which acted as the foundation of the organisation being formed the following year.[1][2]
- ^ North, Barry "Something To Lean On". The British Polio Fellowship, 1999, p.1-3
- ^ Tony Gould (11 September 1997). A Summer Plague: Polio and Its Survivors. Yale University Press. p. 165. ISBN 978-0-300-07276-1.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonyhcole (talk • contribs) 20:59, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- So where is this 'magic' generated? I think it is a bad idea to mix abbreviations with links.
-- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}}
21:10, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Looking for small tasks and mentors for Google Code-In - Got something in mind?
Hi everybody! Google Code-In (GCI) will soon take place again - a six week long contest for 13-17 year old students to contribute to free software projects. Wikimedia took part in 2013 already with great results. Tasks should take an experienced contributed about two-three hours (but "beginner tasks" are also welcome which are smaller) and can be of the categories Code, Documentation/Training, Outreach/Research, Quality Assurance, and User Interface/Design.
Do you have an idea for a task and could you imagine mentoring that task?
For example, do you have something on mind that needs documentation, research, some gadget issues, or any templates to port to Lua on your "To do" list but you never had the time? If yes, please go to mw:Google Code-in 2014, check out the "Mentor's corner", and add your task there (please add tasks until Sunday even if it's only a stub - we can still polish them until December 1st when the contest begins)! And if something is unclear, please ask on the talk page. Happy to help! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 21:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Insert character
Who has stolen "insert character". One simply cannot work without it, and will have to flounce. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:13, 6 November 2014 (UTC).