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::Thats a stopgap for a problem that was just created by an edit this morning.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Previewnote&diff=426894502&oldid=243310670] Come visit the discussion instead and voice your opinion on it. - '''[[User:Floydian|<font color="#5A5AC5">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">τ</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">¢</font>]]</sub> 16:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC) |
::Thats a stopgap for a problem that was just created by an edit this morning.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Previewnote&diff=426894502&oldid=243310670] Come visit the discussion instead and voice your opinion on it. - '''[[User:Floydian|<font color="#5A5AC5">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">τ</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">¢</font>]]</sub> 16:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC) |
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::In vector, the CSS fix also hides the page preview itself, not just the annoying green box above it, so it's not a very useful workaround. --[[User:Morn|Morn]] ([[User talk:Morn|talk]]) 18:29, 1 May 2011 (UTC) |
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Editing View Font
I have Firefox 3.6.16, Windows XP. My editing toolbar is fully functioning and looks normal. This has come on in the last few days, and I've been doing nothing different. It's only my view on the editing window, not after I save. The font looks like the old manual typewriter "Elite" font. It doesn't really "justify" the type on the line, but it throws off the spacing enough that I can't eyeball the text to catch any spacing errors. Sometimes when I preview, I see no space actually existed where I thought I hit the space bar. Or there will be extra spaces that I didn't catch. The visual is off, and nothing I click or unclick changes it. Clearing the cache does nothing. -Maile66 (talk) 15:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- What is Preferences → Gadgets → Make text fields (e.g. the edit form) use a sans-serif font instead of a monospace font set to? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:19, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- It wasn't checked. So, I checked it and cleared my cache. All it did was give the edit page the "Zoom In" effect of enlarging everything. But it didn't resolve the issue. So, I've unchecked it again. Any other ideas? The only place I have this issue is in the edit screen. Nowhere else on Wikipedia, nowhere else on my computer. Maile66 (talk) 17:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- What happens if you log out and edit? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 17:39, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- It wasn't checked. So, I checked it and cleared my cache. All it did was give the edit page the "Zoom In" effect of enlarging everything. But it didn't resolve the issue. So, I've unchecked it again. Any other ideas? The only place I have this issue is in the edit screen. Nowhere else on Wikipedia, nowhere else on my computer. Maile66 (talk) 17:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Then it is not a gadget, CSS or script. What browser and version? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Firefox 3.6.16, Windows XP. The only other thing that comes to my mind is that on April 15 there was a security update on Windows XP. Maile66 (talk) 18:12, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Looks OK to me. Try resetting your preferences per http://en.kioskea.net/faq/1154-reset-firefox. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I tried editing on IE also, and get the same thing. So, it's not the browser. It may be something that happened with that Windows XP security update. Odd as it is, it's not browser specific. So, I'll just try and live with it. -Maile66 (talk) 23:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- I have Firefox 3.6.16 on Windows XP with the latest updates and it looks OK. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 23:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Well, then it must be a quirk on my computer. Thanks for trying. Maile66 (talk) 23:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Looks OK to me. Try resetting your preferences per http://en.kioskea.net/faq/1154-reset-firefox. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 22:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Firefox 3.6.16, Windows XP. The only other thing that comes to my mind is that on April 15 there was a security update on Windows XP. Maile66 (talk) 18:12, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Then it is not a gadget, CSS or script. What browser and version? ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 18:01, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
It's gadget specific
I'm using a public shared computer right now (no way to find out their operating system, but it's IE browser). If I don't sign in, or sign in but don't click the specified gadget, it looks just like the problem I've been having. If I click the gadget, it corrects it. Why my computer at home will not interact with the gadget is a mystery. But it certainly is tied in to clicking Preferences → Gadgets → Make text fields (e.g. the edit form) use a sans-serif font instead of a monospace font. And the phenomenon did occur on April 15 (tied to the XP update or not), because I can go back at my edits and check the edit date on the one where I last remember the fonts being normal. So, while we haven't solved the problem, at least thanks for connecting it to that gadget. Maile66 (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
And it's resolved
I just resolved this whole thing with a chance experimentation. I unchecked the suggested Preferences → Gadgets → "Make text fields (e.g. the edit form) use a sans-serif font instead of a monospace font on my computer". On my Firefox browser, I changed the default font from Times Roman to any number of other fonts. Changing it to anything else resolved the problem. I'm guessing the Times Roman font might be bad on my computer. But it's now set at Microsoft Sans-Serif, and everything looks great. Resolved it myself. Maile66 (talk) 02:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Why are diffs so inappropriately "inexact"?
Hi, I've been editing Wikipedia for many years. I'm shocked that the recognition capability for diffs is so lousy -- it's so rudimentary it seems like something from the 1970s or earlier. If you move one paragraph, everything under that paragraph shows up as completely new, even though it isn't. And so on. Why is the Wikipedia diff software unable to recognize exact text below a deletion, and so forth? Why can't this be improved? It's not rocket science, as they say. Word processors mastered this decades ago. And since diffs are such a vital part of any reliable editor's monitoring work, why isn't this a priority to reform? Text recognition capability seems to be a fairly easy thing to upgrade. Softlavender (talk) 10:13, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- Which word processors have mastered diff calculation? I can't even think of any that provide diffs in the first place. Microsoft Word can "track changes" because it can watch you as you type - this is not the same problem as providing the difference between two texts. Unfortunately, rocket science is a lot easier than diffs. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 11:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- I would repeat OrangeDog's rhetorical question - which word processors have mastered diff calculation? The "problem" with present-day diff calculation is that it is structural rather than semantic, meaning it looks at each text body as a linear batch of characters rather than as a group of hierarchically related expressions (doc, section, subsection, sentence, phrase, word). As far as I know, no commonly available application comes anywhere close to this treatment. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 13:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff is in my opinion much better than the mediawiki default. Rjwilmsi 14:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- Why doesn't Wikipedia use that, then? Sheesh, it's been around for over 4 years, and the current Wiki platform is dinosauric and awful. Softlavender (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yet no one seems to volunteer to rewrite wikedDiff in C (programming language). Oh right, most of the software is volunteer work, so easy to forget. Anyone can submit patches. Have you considered trying to make the improvement yourself ? Apparently it is SO easy to do. Sheesh —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 07:54, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Good point, but MediaWiki is coded in PHP, no? —DoRD (talk) 12:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- wikEdDiff is a user script -- a piece of JavaScript code executed on Wikipedia pages. It executes on the user's machine (the HTTP "client" machine, vs. one of WP's "server" machines). There would be relative disadvantages to that with an implementation written in either C or php. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:16, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Oh (slaps forehead), I hadn't noticed that this is the tech-savvy vpt page. The talk of rewrite no doubt implicitlyv referred to updating the mediawiki diff code (no doubt written in php) to function similarly to wikEdDiff. Pls ignore the above statement of the obvious. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:31, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, the diff code used on Wikipedia is written in C++ as a PHP extension. There is a pure PHP version, but it's too inefficient for use on such a high-traffic site. Mr.Z-man 19:53, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Good point, but MediaWiki is coded in PHP, no? —DoRD (talk) 12:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yet no one seems to volunteer to rewrite wikedDiff in C (programming language). Oh right, most of the software is volunteer work, so easy to forget. Anyone can submit patches. Have you considered trying to make the improvement yourself ? Apparently it is SO easy to do. Sheesh —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 07:54, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Why doesn't Wikipedia use that, then? Sheesh, it's been around for over 4 years, and the current Wiki platform is dinosauric and awful. Softlavender (talk) 19:08, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- Wikidiff does resync in many cases. (Yes it can be better - there is a tool that marks moved stuff in blue - is that WikiEd? - but just wanted to defend the poor ol' native tool. ) Rich Farmbrough, 12:53, 1 May 2011 (UTC).
I lol'd at "dinosauric." --MZMcBride (talk) 19:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Using Hot Cat erases previous edits?
Has this happened to anyone else? I made some edits to Ron Hutchinson (screenwriter) and saved them. Then I added a category using HotCat, and when I saved that change, I saw all my previous changes had been reverted. I thought it was simply a cache issue until I checked the history and saw that the changes had truly been reverted with the category edit. I tried it again--same result. But I was able to add the category manually. Help??? Aristophanes68 (talk) 01:05, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds to be related to this. It sounds like your last edit isn't published yet so when you add the category, HotCat grabs the most recent article version that it can find, which is the one before your edit, and then adds the category to that. Gary King (talk · scripts) 02:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Using Template:Random_subpage in two levels
Dear Wikipedians ,
Seasons greetings
What I am looking for is a two levels of random selection,i.e. template which can select randomly a page which again is selected randomly from next group of random sub-pages.
for Example in page Portal:Religion/Did you know Template:Random_subpage is be being used to choose did you know.At portal page Portal:Religion/Did you know they have allotted specific sub-page number to each religion.
For example in the same page for Christianity they have allocated sub-page no.12 to 16 , since previous and later sub-page nos are allocated to rest of religious denominations What option I do have if I want to insert additional sub-page for Christianity ? or for that matter Buddhism has been allocated single subpage and I want to insert one for them .Secondly Present system would not give enough justice to sub domains under each religion. So my question is , is it possible to have say subpage no 12 for 'protestant' and in turn sub-page 12 will again have Template:Random_subpage.What do I need to do to enable such a feature ?
The second question is can I use decimal points to to insert new sub pages for an example 12,12.1,12.2,12.3.....and so on ?
Last but not least is actually I have no plans for for making changes at Portal:Religion/Did you know but actually some other Template:Random_subpage based pages on Marathi language Wikipedia.
Mahitgar (talk) 15:20, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- The
{{random subpage}}
template can't select page numbers with decimals as it is currently set up, so once you have contiguous page numbers, there's no inserting new ones in between. That being said, if you wanted to do what I think you want to, you could use{{rand}}
to select a (whole) number representing the group, then call it again to select the decimal. You could set up a subpage for each group (like zero, for example) that would transclude in the number of subpages in that group so the template could dynamically set its range even with different numbers of subpages in each grouping, and even when you keep adding to the number of subpages. It sounds interesting, let me know how you intend to use it and if you want me to take a shot at it. — Bility (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your prompt reply.Actually at Marathi Language Wikipedia is a small wiki community where I have been busy creating support pages, studying mistakes of new comers finding new solutions and supporting the new comers for past few years.I I have created good number of help systems but I want systems not just to give long list of rules to a new comers but incubate them in the wiki culture slowly besides to be self sustainable that means even if seniors retire or go on wiki leave new comers keep getting help in various way and following is one of the effort targeting the issue.(It is some thing based on lines of Wikipedia:Motto of the day on en wiki but we at mr wiki intend to include more types of help and info topics)
The page where I was looking for the guidance is related to helping increase awareness level of Marathi Wikipedians on various aspects , Now these various aspects are already studied and grouped under different headings and messages are ready.But my previous effort to implement it in two levels were not successful since I do not have tech back ground It gave me Template loop detected message.But now I will trying the same again with your guidance and inputs.
Your interest to participate also is most welcome,I will invite you for your support after doing little translations which will avoid language difficulties for you this will take couple of days for me,Once I am ready I will leave the message at your talk page.Thanks again for valuable support.
Warm Regards
Mahitgar (talk) 18:27, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds like you're using a template that calls itself. As far as I know, the MediaWiki software doesn't allow template recursion, but I don't think it's necessary to do what you want. I'll take a look when you message me later. Cheers, — Bility (talk) 18:46, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Here's an example: User:Bility/doublerand. Randomly selects a month, then randomly selects a day in that month out of the number of days in that month. A separate template (User:Bility/daysinmonths) keeps track of the number of days in each month. Used to create a link to an AfD page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2010 February 2. For your purposes, you would put the count of different groups in
{{random number}}
on the first template, then keep a count of all the subpages in the switch statement in the second template. Using the two numbers you can build the links however you want, such as in decimal form (groupnumber.subpagenumber). — Bility (talk) 17:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
- Here's an example: User:Bility/doublerand. Randomly selects a month, then randomly selects a day in that month out of the number of days in that month. A separate template (User:Bility/daysinmonths) keeps track of the number of days in each month. Used to create a link to an AfD page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2010 February 2. For your purposes, you would put the count of different groups in
No orange message bar & toolbar partially gone
Recently I've stopped getting the orange message bar for some messages. It doesn't happen all the time, seems to be sporadic. This post for example didn't give me a message bar. Also, the edit toolbar is either completely gone, or partially gone. I'm on Safari 10.4.11. Thanks. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Help needed for categorization
Hi, currently there is an event for increasing participation from Malayalam Wikimedians to sharing images named "Malayalam loves Wikimedia". Images uploaded with that event is categorizing using commons:Template:Malayalam loves Wikimedia event template. Today (April 25) is the end date of the event, so we need a modification in the template. So that images from tomorrow using the template must go to another category. Please check parser functions at Commons:User:Praveenp/platform also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praveenp (talk • contribs) 02:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Requested photos/map overlay
Not sure if a tool already exists for this, but it would be nice to have a tool that can lookup locations from articles in Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in places (& subcats) and give a map layout based on them. Perhaps pulling from a coord template? This would be nice for a few reasons - if one was going on vacation, for example, they could put in an address where they are staying and see if any requested photo locations might be nearby. Or, if there are a lot in a given area that a Wiki*edian wanted to photograph, a map overlay would help plan an effective route between points, to save time and fuel. I have no idea how easy this would to implement. Avicennasis @ 03:46, 22 Nisan 5771 / 26 April 2011 (UTC)
- Its currently somewhat out of date, but I have something like that here. Mr.Z-man 05:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
If I search without accents Google gives article photograph a high ranking but not article
Hi, if I search on Google for the actor Iván Kamarás using the accents, my Wiki article on him comes up third in the rankings, behind imdb.com and his own website. However, if I search without using any accents (ie, Ivan Kamaras), I get the photograph from my article coming up third in the rankings (ivan kamaras.jpg) but I have to scroll through three pages of Google to find the actual article. But if I search for Gerard Depardieu or Gert Frobe not using any accents, the Wikipedia articles (with accents) appear top of the rankings in both their cases. I can't see anything in the way the Depardieu or Frobe articles have been set up that is any different to what I have done. Has anyone got any helpful suggestions? Here is the link to the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iván_Kamarás. Many thanks --Cathypryor (talk) 12:42, 26 April 2011 (UTC) Cathy
- Google has several data centers, and each one gives different search results. Searching from Spain, your name with accents gives the article in third place, and without accents the article appears in second place.
- Apart from that, it's possible that, when random people in the internet link to your article, they are all using your name with accents in the link, and that they are all linking to the article with accents. This means that google sees a lot of links to Iván Kamarás, but very few links to Ivan Kamaras. Then google goes and assigns a lot of weight to the article with accents and very little weight to the article without accents.
- Also, google discards accents when people make searches. It gives both results with accents and results without accents. But I have noticed that, many times, it gives slightly different results depending on whether you use accents or not. --Enric Naval (talk) 15:22, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, Enric. Does that mean there is nothing I can do? ... --Cathypryor (talk) 16:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Page view statistics for German pages
I recently made some revisions to the German page for the Dallas Museum of Art. My curator wants to see how many visits the page has been getting (and therefore see how effective the page is in terms of reaching out to users), but I can't find the "page view statistics" for the German page, either for the Museum's page or for any German page, for that matter. I can find it in English, Spanish, even Greek, but no luck with German. It doesn't seem logical, though, that there wouldn't be a link to it; is it just posted somewhere else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scwoodbury (talk • contribs) 14:34, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
- Try this link. You can change the requested language version of Wikipedia within the interface of the Wikipedia article traffic statistics tool; the relevant combo box is just below the day-by-day statistics. Graham87 14:56, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Keeping disambiguation pages out of "random page" circulation
Has there ever been a consideration of whether (and how) to prevent pages that transclude one of the various disambiguation templates from appearing when clicking "random article"? Seems like a good idea to me – users clicking "random" who are more interested in reading than editing probably don't want to see dab pages, and editors using "random" to find pages to edit can easily get piles of dab pages by looking at their various categories. The other issue is technical feasibility, which I'm clueless on. Thoughts? » Swpbτ • ¢ 21:01, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's been suggested a few times but I don't know if it would be implemented in the built-in random page feature of Wikipedia anytime soon because disambiguation pages are merely a page that we as editors describe differently, but the software doesn't see it any differently, as opposed to redirects, which are built-in to the software. However, a few months ago I responded to a similar request and created the Wikipedia:Enhanced Random Article which can be used on a user-by-user basis to choose whether to not show disambiguation pages and/or stubs when using the "Enhanced random" link (added by this script) under the "Random article" link. Gary King (talk · scripts) 02:02, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- I think having the dab pages in the random article search is quite valuable. It lets editors see if a random dab page needs fixing or improving. if you don't want to read that page, just click again. Softlavender (talk) 07:41, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. Editors of dab pages have often been split between the "signpost" and the "waypoint" camps; the former looks upon then as navigational aids and not "articles" per se, whereas the later looks upon them as a point where click-paths intersect, providing opportunities for exploration. Including dab pages in the random page shuffle serves the signpost use case in the way that Softlavender has articulated; for other people, it serves the exploratory spirit, leading to the "oh, I didn't know it also meant THAT?!" --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Watchlist
I'm sorry about writing about this here, but I was unable to find out which MediaWiki page is concerned with this issue. At Special:Watchlist/edit, the list goes:
- PageName (talk | History)
- User:UserName (talk | History | User contributions)
The uppercase letters, which I am showing here in bold for emphasis, look a bit unsightly as opposed to "talk" and as far as I can tell are not usually used for these kinds of system messages (see for example Template:Request for permission), so I suggest changing them to lowercase ones. --Theurgist (talk) 07:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
I haven't viewed Wikipedia for about a week or so. Anyway, I logged back in the other day, and for some reason a couple of my gadgets seem to have stopped working. The one that changes the article heading into a colour indicating its quality no longer works, and there may be a couple of others I haven't noticed yet. However other gadgets seem fine. Also, all the navboxes on Wikipedia are showing for me, with no option to hide them at all (which is an absolute nightmare on some articles). Is there any reason why this is suddenly occurring? And does anyone have any idea why this is happening? --Dorsal Axe 12:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Step one is to check that your browser has JavaScript turned on. If you're not sure how to check that, post your browser and version here and someone will be able to give you step-by-step instructions. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- If javascript was turned off his other gadgets wouldn't be working fine, so that's probably not the problem. Dorsal, could you explain what gadget you're talking about? I can't find anything like what you mentioned. The only script you seem to have outside of your preferences is the link-classifier, is that what you're talking about? Also, what skin are you using? - Kingpin13 (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Today I had also the problems. A few minutes ago the problems were magical solved. Twinkle was not showing up. maybe others, didn't matter me. mabdul 15:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- If javascript was turned off his other gadgets wouldn't be working fine, so that's probably not the problem. Dorsal, could you explain what gadget you're talking about? I can't find anything like what you mentioned. The only script you seem to have outside of your preferences is the link-classifier, is that what you're talking about? Also, what skin are you using? - Kingpin13 (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Note that due to the way JS is loaded, some gadgets or other scripts can end up breaking each other if they have an error, so sometimes you'll see something not working when it's actually another gadget that failed. It can help narrow things down to try putting ?debug=true onto the URL -- this forces scripts to be loaded individually and can help with pinpointing the error. --brion (talk) 17:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Problem with a template
Hi,
Help needed here. I tried to modify Template:Texas county seats by adding Zapata to the list. But for some reason, the change doesn’t show up in the template (hope I’m making myself clear!). Can someone help me with this template? CheepnisAroma (talk) 18:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- {{Navbox}} appears to be coded for only up to 20 groups, your Z is #21. See Template talk:Navbox/Archive 11#More than 20 groups and Template talk:Navbox/Archive 13#No more than twenty groups? for some discussion of the reason and alternatives. DMacks (talk) 19:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Argh!!! Didn’t know that :P Thanks for your reply. CheepnisAroma (talk) 19:20, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Commons also as a repository for templates and pages
Yes, as the name says. Please see the discussion here (and comment there), and remember to see the original proposal at Bugzilla:4547. Regards. Rehman 01:54, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. I've provided some small input to this thread on Commons. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Wiki Pages supposedly saved to "Book" vanish when session is over!
hello, i love using the new "add page to book" feature, but everytime i log off and back on, all my pages and books are gone--like they never existed.
i've spent hours adding hundreds of wikipedia pages from my browsers bookmarks to my wikipedia book(s), before deleting the bookmarks for organization. now both are gone.
i am using Firefox 4 for Mac OSX 10.6.7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moscarda (talk • contribs) 06:33, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- I have replied at the Help desk; here. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Two supplementary questions from me:
- Why does saving a book need autoconfirmed status?
- Why doesn't the software warn a non-autoconfirmed user that they are wasting their time? -- John of Reading (talk) 07:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with the intent of the first question. I'm not sure why the "User" group (see Special:ListGroupRights) has createpage yet you be in the autoconfirmed group to save book pages (collectionsaveascommunitypage and collectionsaveasuserpage).
- To respond to your second question, any admin can change system messages. There's probably a few pages in the MediaWiki namespace that need to make this more apparent to non-autoconfirmed users. Not that I agree with the current setup, but at least for the time being they should be made more aware. Killiondude (talk) 07:15, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- For the autoconfirmed requirement, see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 47#Disabling "create a book" and bugzilla:18902. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Database dump
Hi, where can I find a dump of the November 2005 version of enwiki (articles only)? Thanks in advance --Yannis (talk) 07:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- I couldn't find a database dump archive from the exact time, but there is a 2006 archive. The latest dump contains full revision history, so it is possible to search the 2005 situation (though that requires work). MKFI (talk) 11:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Colour shading in tables
The colour shading in the main table and the key table at [1] look different to me when viewing the page, but going into edit it appears the colour codes used are the same. Maybe it's just my machine, or perhaps the upper colours look darker because they have text on top. Is anyone else finding the colours different on shading that should be the same, although in any case, I think the colours used in the table are generally too similar to be able to easily differentiate. Any thoughts? Eldumpo (talk) 12:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- See Contrast effect. Remove the text from the colored rows and you'll see the legend colors look the same. — Bility (talk) 15:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Webroot no longer likes us
Hi. I use Webroot (less happily than I used to), and in the last couple of days it has grown increasingly suspicious of Wikipedia. Currently, it is blocking many pages. For instance, when I tried to get to Wikipedia:IRC, I received the following:
Webroot has blocked access to a potentially threatening site
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=Wikipedia%3AIRC&go=Go
This Web site has exhibited suspicious behavior or is similar to Web sites that are known sources of malware, viruses and spam. Visiting this site may put you at risk or compromise your identity or privacy.
On many pages that it does not block, it displays a message: "Webroot has blocked a potentially malicious resource found on page: bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.17/chick/main.css"
I don't know what's up with it, but I'm a devoted enough user to say "Yeah, whatever" and click on through. I'm not so sure about other hapless Webroot users. Is there anything on our end that can be done, or is Webroot going to have to sort this? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- I use Webroot as one of several like apps and I am not having a problem as you describe. I use "Webroot Antivirus with Spy Sweeper", version 7.0.8.7, security definitions version 1899, virus engine version 3.16.1. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Does it allow you to set http://en.wikipedia.org as a trusted site? (or some sort of avoidance/bypass/exclusion setting during scanning) Chaosdruid (talk) 02:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- In my case, not that I can see. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:19, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Does it allow you to set http://en.wikipedia.org as a trusted site? (or some sort of avoidance/bypass/exclusion setting during scanning) Chaosdruid (talk) 02:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'm using Webroot Internet Security Essentials 7.0.8.7, security definitionos version 1935, virus engine version 3.16.1. It would allow me to tell it that I trust the site, but I've not followed that yet because I've been interested in trying to figure out what the problem might be. It did not block my access to a page yesterday, but it's still finding "potentially malicious resource"(s) on some pages, including on this one. I don't guess there's anything that we can do about it, since it seems to be a Webroot issue. I trust there's not really anything wrong with "bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.17/chick/main.css", though I'm fairly clueless about such things and don't know for sure. :) I am more concerned about other would-be readers who may trust Webroot more than Wikipedia. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:12, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Vanishing watchlist notices after username change
I changed my username about two days ago (and was receiving watchlist notices under my old username, Wi2g). Now when I check my watchlist, I'll see notices for a second before they disappear. I'm using XP with Chrome; thanks for any help!--Miniapolis (talk) 15:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- If you see them for a second before they disappear, then you must have clicked "hide" on them, because if they're only appearing for a second, then that means they are being hidden by the JavaScript used to hide notices that the user has chosen to no longer display. Gary King (talk · scripts) 15:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. I didn't hide them; think it's related to the username change. Tried the script #watchlist-message { display: all; } on both my /vector.css and .js subpages, but no joy. Where should I go to unclick "hide"?--Miniapolis (talk) 16:15, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- I think you'll get the messages back if you delete any browser cookies you have from "en.wikipedia.org". You will have to log in again after deleting the cookies. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:27, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Don't know why it worked, but it did! Thanks a million.--Miniapolis (talk) 17:38, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Monobook
Apologies if this was asked before (I didn't find it if it was), but is there a way to make Monobook the default skin in all language editions of Wikipedia without having to set it in each edition manually? Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 28, 2011; 16:37 (UTC)
- No, unfortunately not. Graham87 08:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
- If you are currently using the Vector skin as the default, you can visit Special:UsabilityInitiativePrefSwitch, which would propagate the Monobook skin to most wikis in your SUL. However some wikis still remain out of reach and can display Vector skin instead (devs don't know why though). :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 09:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, folks. Not what I was hoping to hear, but thanks for taking time to answer anyway!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 29, 2011; 13:35 (UTC)
Template group limit
Hi. In a grouped template, is the number of groups limited to twenty, or is there some other problem with the one I'm creating? (Here) Thanks WilliamF1two (talk) 23:05, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- There is a 20 group limit in
{{Navbox}}
. If you can group some of the groups together,{{Navbox subgroup}}
or{{Navbox with collapsible groups}}
may be of use to you. — Bility (talk) 23:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks Bility, that seems to have solved it WilliamF1two (talk) 23:14, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- Also
{{Navbox long}}
. — Bility (talk) 23:39, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
- Also
- Thanks Bility, that seems to have solved it WilliamF1two (talk) 23:14, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Display issue
Has something been changed in the software recently? The reason I ask is that on my user page, the GAs, ITNs and DYK medals used to display as three rows between the editor medal and babel box. Now, they are displaying as a single column down the page. I appreciate that my page displays differently on different monitors, but it is set up to look how I want it to on my regular screen. No editing has been done to the page recently, so the cause must lie elsewhere. Mjroots (talk) 10:51, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
- ...and now it's back to normal. Either a change has been reverted, or it was a glitch. Mjroots (talk) 11:05, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
- It was the {{Click}} template. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Is there any reason you can't have both a navbox and a succession box containing broadly similar information. At [2] the first of the succession boxes is similar to the first of the navboxes, but the succession has additional information on country/song title. Eldumpo (talk) 13:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
tabs??
everytime I open a tab I am signed out. Is it because of the IP block for me?? I think the IP starts out with 24.110 something... Libertarians Will Rule (talk) 02:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- A block would stop you editing, but it wouldn't log you out. Does anything at WP:COOKIES help you? -- John of Reading (talk) 06:59, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Javascript errors
I got the following errors on IE:
Webpage error details
User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0) Timestamp: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:43:41 UTC
Message: Object doesn't support this property or method
Line: 1835
Char: 2
Code: 0
URI: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AzaToth/morebits.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript
Message: Object doesn't support this property or method
Line: 46
Char: 2
Code: 0
URI: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ioeth/friendlytag.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript
Please advise on what I should do to avoid them. The articles seem to load slower. Redtigerxyz Talk 11:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Remove Friendly from your monobook.js (assuming you are using the monobook skin). If you have twinkle or friendly installed anywhere else, remove that too. Ale_Jrbtalk 11:52, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
How to create a table and manage text flow
The featured article candidate Science Fantasy (magazine) contains images that are tables. When this was queried, an editor said "I don't think it's possible to have tables that text can flow around". Can anyone help? Please respond at the the featured article candidate discussion. Lightmouse (talk) 13:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Responded --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much. That's a great help. Lightmouse (talk) 15:06, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Combined category listing?
Suppose I want to list articles that are listed in both the Category:DOS software and the Category:Free text editors. How does one accomplish this without resorting to screen scraping? Electron9 (talk) 14:41, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:CatScan. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Wikilinks in diffs now clickable?
I must've missed this somewhere, but wikilinks in diffs are now clickable? Nice touch. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 16:48, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Not for unregistered users. For registered users there are some gadgets that will do it depending on the browser. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:08, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's a feature of wikEd. Maybe we should enabled by default? Gadget's aren't getting the love the deserve. — Dispenser 17:37, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm... but I haven't enabled wikEd. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 05:56, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- You imported User:Cacycle/wikEdDiff.js a week ago.[3] This includes "wikEd.DiffLinkifyStandard: linkify wikilinks in standard diff text". PrimeHunter (talk) 14:18, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm... but I haven't enabled wikEd. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 05:56, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Proxy error
I can open the page World War II fine when logged out. If I log in securely (https), I get the error below - just for that page, on two different PCs, on two different ISPs, whether I use FF3.6, FF4, Chrome or IE. All other pages that I've tried are fine. If I log in via http, there is a long delay, but the page loads. I'm in the UK. Started happening yesterday.
Proxy Error
The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the request GET /wikipedia/en/wiki/World_war_II.
Reason: Error reading from remote server
Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 PHP/5.2.4-2ubuntu5.12wm1 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at secure.wikimedia.org Port 443
(Hohum @) 21:50, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Me too. Marcus Qwertyus 22:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- I notice Marcus and I are both reviewers, perhaps something is conflicting? (Hohum @) 23:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Just checked, same thing here. Logged in securely = proxy error; logged out (normal non-secure enwp) = totally fine. Also a reviewer, fwiw. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 05:57, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- I notice Marcus and I are both reviewers, perhaps something is conflicting? (Hohum @) 23:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
sandbox
Hello i was on sandbox and didnt know that you cant deleted the first part. I am so sorry and i hope that you can fix it So sorry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.110.139.228 (talk) 01:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- Don't worry, you should keep the first line of Sandbox there, so that other people can read the advice that the line produces. But it's automatically restored if you remove it, so it doesn't really matter that you broke it. Actually, that's what sandbox is for, you can try things there, and if you do something wrong, nothing bad happens. When you think you know how to do basic editing, you can edit some article that you think needs it. Just try to stay constructive and civil, but it seems you'll have no problems with that. User<Svick>.Talk(); 02:21, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
watchlist issue
I'm not sure if this is a standard part of the watchlist or something added by twinkle, but I'm having occasional problems where I accidentally click the 'rollback' button at the end of some entry on the watchlist, and rollback someone's edit without even realizing I did it. I've done it two or three times myself, and someone else just did it with one of my posts. It's probably even a bigger problem for people who edit from phones or handhelds. If it's happened to me with this frequency, it's probably happened hundreds of time on pages across the project.
Do we need that rollback link there? How many cases can rolling back from the watchlist actually be justified (since it implies one hasn't actually looked at the edit itself, but just the summary)? Is there any way to make it a little less hair-trigger? --Ludwigs2 05:45, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- I do not see why anyone would use the tool unless they were looking at the edit. Is there a need to have it in the watchlist? TFD (talk) 05:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- If the extra links are those added by Twinkle, you can arrange for them not to appear in your watchlist. See User:John of Reading/vector.js for an example and Wikipedia:Twinkle/doc#showRollbackLinks for the documentation. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:57, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
For the rollback link that all rollbackers get, you can instead use this script: User:Ilmari_Karonen/rollbacksummary.js. With it each rollback link remains fully functional, but when you click it and have JavaScript enabled (important!), you are prompted for an alternative edit summary. Then you can just enter Return or click OK to accept the default edit summary, or click the Cancel button when you didn't actually want to rollback anything. Hans Adler 07:43, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- That's a useful script, thanks. --Ludwigs2 07:52, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Big green box on preview
Suddenly today whenever I hit the "preview" button I get a big green box informing me that I'm previewing unsaved changes and telling me everything that means. Now, that may be useful for new users, but I've been editing Wikipedia since December 2004 and know what I'm doing. Is there some Preference I can set to get rid of the annoying thing? —Angr (talk) 16:20, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:MediaWiki_messages#Graphical :
#wikiPreview { display:none; }
in your css - Kingpin13 (talk) 16:30, 1 May 2011 (UTC)- Thats a stopgap for a problem that was just created by an edit this morning.[4] Come visit the discussion instead and voice your opinion on it. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 16:47, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- In vector, the CSS fix also hides the page preview itself, not just the annoying green box above it, so it's not a very useful workaround. --Morn (talk) 18:29, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Editing the description of an illustration
On this page one finds the inane phrasing "a Euler diagram" instead of "an Euler diagram". (Apparently some people get all the way through secondary school without finding out that the first syllable of "Euler" is not pronounced like that of "Euclid".) Is it impossible ever to edit this thing? Michael Hardy (talk) 18:19, 1 May 2011 (UTC)