December 6
Template:Infobox ABU country
- Template:Infobox ABU country (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Infobox Eurovision country (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Infobox ABU country with Template:Infobox Eurovision country.
Identical apart from a couple of parameter names. An apparent fork, with an uncredited copy of the underlying code. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- A pattern emerging here. I think a RfC is in order if we are going to be looking at the redesign of such infoboxes, and then we (or Andy) could then mass-delete the ones that are no longer needed. TfD of multiple templates all scattered about at different sections of this TfD page is just going to cause a lot of problems. People would mention of suggestion at one TfD and not be aware of other suggestions at one of the other TfD's. Could we not put all these "noms" together in the same thread, to avoid confusion. Wes Mouse | T@lk 21:23, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox SBTVD standard
- Template:Infobox SBTVD standard (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Used for just eight articles on Brazilian digital television standards. Redundant to {{Infobox computing standard}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox W3C standard
- Template:Infobox W3C standard (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Redundant to {{Infobox computing standard}}, which has the advantage of having an |organization=
parameter. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:16, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox perpetual motion machine
- Template:Infobox perpetual motion machine (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Infobox controversial invention (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Infobox perpetual motion machine with Template:Infobox controversial invention.
Similar templates, with overlapping purpose, and only six transclusions between them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:13, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Cân i Gymru National Year
- Template:Infobox Cân i Gymru National Year (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Infobox ESC National Year (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Infobox Cân i Gymru National Year with Template:Infobox ESC National Year.
The Welsh template is an apparent fork of the ESC (European Song Contest) one. They should be re-merged and made suitable (and named) for generic song contests, into which any other such templates may be (re-)merged later. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:03, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Question how is this an apparent fork? They are two different contests, one is specific to Wales, the other pan-European. If there are ways to improve a template, then perhaps raising such issues at Project Eurovision talk page would be logical. I get the impression that the nom is mass-nominating quite a lot of Project Eurovision templates, which is quite disturbing behaviour. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:05, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- The clue is in the documentation of the Welsh template, which still includes a fragment of the ESC one it was copied from. Please assume good faith; and see Wikipedia:Infobox consolidation for a FAQ explaining why we don't need so many infoboxes doing very similar jobs. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:29, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- And remember, Pigsonthewing, one also needs to assume the assumption of good faith. I merely said I got the "impression", that was not being bad faith. Merging the two templates would cause a hyperlink issue; because the syntax within the Eurovision version has things that create a link to Eurovision pages. For example [[{{{Country}}} in the - Eurovision Song Contest]], which allows the need to only input the country, so that it will automatically direct to articles such as Italy in the Eurovision Song Contest. We could not use that for Can i Gymru, as it would create a link to Wales in the Eurovision Song Contest, when there is no such article. The same is for the ABU Radio template which you also nominated. If we used the Eurovision version, it would not direct biennially, and would create annual links. Also it would show at the bottom on the inforbox that it is Eurovision, when we'd need to show it is ABU Radio. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:46, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- A merger woudl not simply copy parameters from one template to another, but would address cases such as those you describe, and build in any necessary alternative parameters or switches. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:52, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- So then it would be more logical to discuss those proposals at the project talk page, work on a design that would be able to deal with every type of contest under the project scope - and then the obsolete versions get mass-deleted. This has been done before with other templates at the project. It saved time, and meant the obsolete ones got speedy deleted with no objections. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:55, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Templates for discussion is the dedicated forum for such cases. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- So then it would be more logical to discuss those proposals at the project talk page, work on a design that would be able to deal with every type of contest under the project scope - and then the obsolete versions get mass-deleted. This has been done before with other templates at the project. It saved time, and meant the obsolete ones got speedy deleted with no objections. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:55, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- A merger woudl not simply copy parameters from one template to another, but would address cases such as those you describe, and build in any necessary alternative parameters or switches. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:52, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- And remember, Pigsonthewing, one also needs to assume the assumption of good faith. I merely said I got the "impression", that was not being bad faith. Merging the two templates would cause a hyperlink issue; because the syntax within the Eurovision version has things that create a link to Eurovision pages. For example [[{{{Country}}} in the - Eurovision Song Contest]], which allows the need to only input the country, so that it will automatically direct to articles such as Italy in the Eurovision Song Contest. We could not use that for Can i Gymru, as it would create a link to Wales in the Eurovision Song Contest, when there is no such article. The same is for the ABU Radio template which you also nominated. If we used the Eurovision version, it would not direct biennially, and would create annual links. Also it would show at the bottom on the inforbox that it is Eurovision, when we'd need to show it is ABU Radio. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:46, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- The clue is in the documentation of the Welsh template, which still includes a fragment of the ESC one it was copied from. Please assume good faith; and see Wikipedia:Infobox consolidation for a FAQ explaining why we don't need so many infoboxes doing very similar jobs. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:29, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
TfD may be the case, but when we are discussing the possibility of merging a lot of templates so that there is a one-for-all version, then it would make more sense to discuss ideas at a project talk page, and then work on a design that would fit the one-for-all purpose, and then delete all the obsolete ones. That's how I would do it anyway, so that it avoids heated debates like this. Wes Mouse | T@lk 21:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: the serious breach of WP:CANVASS, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Mass nomination of contest templates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:55, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- How the hell is that canvassing? These are templates used by Project Eurovision - notifying the project of these nominations is reasonable, as not all members have the alerts on their watchlist. Get a grip and like you say "assume good faith". Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:56, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Have you read the guideline, as I advised you to? Notification may be reasonable but doing so in the partisan manner used by you is most unacceptable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:09, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- How the hell is that canvassing? These are templates used by Project Eurovision - notifying the project of these nominations is reasonable, as not all members have the alerts on their watchlist. Get a grip and like you say "assume good faith". Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:56, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- One does not need to read it, as there is nothing breached. I did not use an artisan manner; I am one how has always worded things direct and blunt - the project know this has always been my method. A note gets posted on the project talk page, a bit like a kick up the ass, so that they know to check the alerts, or view a deletion debate and decide how they wish to proceed. I had not forced or worded force that they must vote! to keep, they have a mind of their own, and I have never forced them to do anything other than make them aware of a debate that requires their attention. Wes Mouse | T@lk 21:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
"One does not need to read it, as there is nothing breached"
- Oh dear. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:24, 6 December 2014 (UTC)- Is there an echo in here or did a parrot fly by and repeated my words? Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification states
"An editor who may wish to draw a wider range of informed, but uninvolved, editors to a discussion can place a message at any of the following: the talk page of one or more articles, WikiProjects, or other Wikipedia collaborations directly related to the topic under discussion."
, that is exactly what I did - notified the project talk page, but I did not use words that forces them to follow my vote! nor influence any vote! decision that they wish to make. Wes Mouse | T@lk 21:25, 6 December 2014 (UTC)- You're now quoting from a guideline which you have already proclaimed it unnecessary to read. Remarkable. However, your quoting is highly selective. You have omitted the parts which say
" keep the message text neutral,"
;"Notifications must be polite, neutrally worded..."
; and that lists"Campaigning: Posting a notification of discussion that presents the topic in a non-neutral manner"
under the heading "Inappropriate notification". Nor"Campaigning is an attempt to sway the person reading the message, conveyed through the use of tone, wording, or intent. While this may be appropriate as part of a specific individual discussion, it is inappropriate to canvass with such messages."
. The guideline also notes that people who canvass"may be reported to the administrators' noticeboard, which may result in their being blocked from editing"
. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:43, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- You're now quoting from a guideline which you have already proclaimed it unnecessary to read. Remarkable. However, your quoting is highly selective. You have omitted the parts which say
- Is there an echo in here or did a parrot fly by and repeated my words? Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification states
- One does not need to read it, as there is nothing breached. I did not use an artisan manner; I am one how has always worded things direct and blunt - the project know this has always been my method. A note gets posted on the project talk page, a bit like a kick up the ass, so that they know to check the alerts, or view a deletion debate and decide how they wish to proceed. I had not forced or worded force that they must vote! to keep, they have a mind of their own, and I have never forced them to do anything other than make them aware of a debate that requires their attention. Wes Mouse | T@lk 21:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox student media
- Template:Infobox student media (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Only 21 transclusions)
Superfluous, variously, to {{Infobox radio station}}, {{Infobox television channel}}, {{Infobox website}}, or {{Infobox broadcasting network}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Sherlock Holmes short story
- Template:Infobox Sherlock Holmes short story (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Only 57 transclusions)
Superfluous to {{Infobox short story}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:32, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox pictish stone
- Template:Infobox pictish stone (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Only 20 transclusions)
Superfluous, probably to {{Infobox artifact}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:29, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Only Fools and Horses
- Template:Infobox Only Fools and Horses (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:27, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Sanremo Music Festival
- Template:Infobox Sanremo Music Festival (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Only 11 transclusions)
Overly specific; redundant to {{Infobox music festival}} (or otherwise {{Infobox recurring event}}). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:23, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - {{Infobox music festival}} doesn't have the parameters to deal with a complex contest like San Remo. The San Remo Music Festival is not a music festival (despite its name) but is a contest that inspired the creation of Eurovision Song Contest - one could say it is an Italian Song Contest, for people of Italy only. And has been used to also select the Italian entry at Eurovision. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Then perhaps it should be merged into the ESC template, as discussed above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Merging would not work, as I pointed out above. It would create linking issues, such as directing to an incorrect article. It is hard to try and explain, so maybe if one looked at the contest articles such as San Remo Music Festival, Eurovision Song Contest, ABU Radio Song Festival, ABU TV Song Festival, then you'd get a better understanding. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:50, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- And as I point out above, there are technical means to deal with such matters. I would also remind you about WP:AGF. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- And as noted, one should also assume the assumption of good faith. Constantly telling someone to AGF is an example of misuse; especially one that is to be avoided in deletion discussions. And casting allegations of canvassing is severe disruption if ever I have seen it. Notifying a project of a mass-number of templates that are up for discussion is not canvassing, it is making them aware of a debate and giving them the option to discuss. Wes Mouse | T@lk 21:06, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- And as I point out above, there are technical means to deal with such matters. I would also remind you about WP:AGF. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Merging would not work, as I pointed out above. It would create linking issues, such as directing to an incorrect article. It is hard to try and explain, so maybe if one looked at the contest articles such as San Remo Music Festival, Eurovision Song Contest, ABU Radio Song Festival, ABU TV Song Festival, then you'd get a better understanding. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:50, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Then perhaps it should be merged into the ESC template, as discussed above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:46, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: the serious breach of WP:CANVASS, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Mass nomination of contest templates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Orphaned and unused Ghana fb templates
- Template:Fb team Aduana Stars (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team All Stars F.C. (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Asante Kotoko SC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Bechem United (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Ashanti Gold (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Berekum Arsenal (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Berekum Chelsea F.C. (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Ebusua Dwarfs (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Hearts of Oak (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Liberty Professionals F.C. (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Real Sportive (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Real Tamale (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Tema Youth (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:Fb team Tudu Mighty Jets FC (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
These templates are unused or ophaned. They should be deleted. MicroX (talk) 19:16, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Satellite awards
- Template:Infobox Satellite awards (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (only 19 transclusions)
Redundant to {{Infobox film awards}} . Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:08, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Indian awards
- Template:Infobox Indian awards (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (Only 153 transclusions)
Superfluous to {{Infobox award}} (which has 3,764 transclusions). None of the parameters are specific to India. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:02, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox ABU Radio
- Template:Infobox ABU Radio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Appears to be a fork of {{Infobox Eurovision}}, to which it is redundant. ABU name suggests Australia, but this is also used for Eurovision competitions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:33, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - This is used on articles such as ABU Radio Song Festival 2012. Eurovision Song Contest are annual contests, ABU Radio Song Festival are biennial. Using the Eurovision infobox caused navigational issues because of this; and also if the Eurovision version were used it caused linking issues at the bottom of the box, when click on the hyperlink. Wes Mouse | T@lk 19:57, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Then, again, perhaps all these ought to be merged, as discussed above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- We tried to use the Eurovision first, and it caused a link issue. For example at the bottom where it provides links to the previous/next contests. Eurovision is yearly, ABU Radio is biennial - using the Eurovision template on ABU Radio would create yearly links and not biennially links. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:53, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- I've already replied to you above, about the technical means which would solve this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:59, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- We tried to use the Eurovision first, and it caused a link issue. For example at the bottom where it provides links to the previous/next contests. Eurovision is yearly, ABU Radio is biennial - using the Eurovision template on ABU Radio would create yearly links and not biennially links. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:53, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Then, again, perhaps all these ought to be merged, as discussed above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:47, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Note: the serious breach of WP:CANVASS, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Mass nomination of contest templates. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:59, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Mosconi Cup
- Template:Infobox Mosconi Cup (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (only 20 transactions)
- Template:Infobox individual snooker tournament (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) (385 transclusions)
Propose merging Template:Infobox Mosconi Cup with Template:Infobox individual snooker tournament.
Though pool is not snooker, the formats are similar.There is no generic "Pool tournament" infobox. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:21, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Template:Equity Awards
- Template:Equity Awards (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
unused and almost all redirects. Frietjes (talk) 14:50, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
- Delete as redundant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)