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: {{re|Outcastcat}} Welcome to Wikipedia. We don't care what your hobbies are. Anyone may edit Wikipedia. [[User:RudolfRed|RudolfRed]] ([[User talk:RudolfRed|talk]]) 18:34, 27 June 2020 (UTC) |
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Shouldn't our math (and other highly technical) articles be accessible to non-experts?
As the encyclopedia anyone can edit, I would hope it is also one that anyone* could read too...
I see math, physics and other articles in highly technical and specialized areas written in abstruse language an ordinary person without specialized knowledge or expertise in the field would have little hope of understanding. I have long considered this a problem and heard others express it too, but I am not familiar with efforts to address it. Are there past discussions about this?
I did just find the essay WP:READABLE recently written by CFCF.
See also article on readability.
- * with a sixth-grade level reading level (or maybe slightly higher).
--David Tornheim (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2020 (UTC) --David Tornheim (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm not editing much these days, but I saw your mention of this on CFCF's talk page, and I agree with you very much. I've been reading some math and physics pages for my own learning recently, and the un-readability is really awful. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:35, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- This is widely recognised as a problem in many areas, especially medicine. Writing accessible prose is harder than most people think, and our editors are mostly not very good at it. Many still don't recognise the problem. At the least, the lead should be easily accessible. Johnbod (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hello, David Tornheim and welcome to the Teahouse.
- There is a constant balancing act between having over-technical articles, and having over-simplified ones on technical topics. I do not think that all our articles on, for example, mathematical topics, can usefully be written to be readable on a sixth-grade level. However, Nobel Prize winner Richard Feynman said that if one cannot prepare a freshman (college) lecture on a topic, it isn't well understood. Of more direct relevance here is MOS:JARGON, which says:
Some topics are intrinsically technical, but editors should try to make them understandable to as many readers as possible. Minimize jargon, or at least explain it or tag it using {{Technical}} or {{Technical-statement}} for other editors to fix. For unavoidably technical articles, a separate introductory article (like Introduction to general relativity) may be the best solution. ... Do not introduce new and specialized words simply to teach them to the reader when more common alternatives will do. ... For example, consider adding a brief background section with {{main}} tags pointing to the full treatment article(s) of the prerequisite notions; ...
- For example Differential equation is in my view reasonably well-written and accessible, but I don't think it is at a 6th-grade reading level, nor could it be usefully rewritten without mathematical terminology and notation. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- I wo0uld add that I disagree with much of the specific suggestions in WP:READABLE, although I approve of the goal of making every article as readable as possible. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for everyone's advice and feedback. I do agree that Richard Feynman's suggestion of making certain subjects readable to freshmen in college might be a good standard for advanced math, physics, chemistry, etc. articles. As a former math teacher, I must admit the 6th grade level standard (something I heard is used for newspapers) would make it almost impossible to cover almost any but the most basic math or arithmetic articles.
- Also, having had the pleasure of studying Schrödinger's equation which is difficult to comprehend without a background in vector calculus and its operators, I am actually quite impressed with the WP:LEDE of that article. Although I have studied Einstein's work in numerous courses in college (and even in high school), I sometimes refer back to our relativity articles, and I believe I was impressed with them. Can't say I am in the mood to look at them right now, but thanks for the suggestion.
- I will start adding the {{technical}} and {{Technical-statement}} templates and read up on MOS:JARGON. Rather than try to impose a standard from the community on those who work on the relevant articles, it might be more productive to get editors of the key articles to buy-in to a standard that both they and the community would be comfortable--a standard they would be willing to adhere to. I think only a minority of editors refuse to have anything but the most precise technical definition in the WP:LEDE--I have met them. I do appreciate and respect their uncompromising desire for such rigorous material. I do think those editors have expertise on the subject and have much to offer--as long as they don't interfere with our desire to make the articles useful to read who lack such expertise.
- I actually don't mind a precise technical definition in the WP:LEDE, but not in the first paragraph--I think it should be the last visible paragraph a person sees when article comes up, paragraph 2, sidebar, or image, or placed such that lay people understand its not written for them and allow them to focus on material that is. Likewise I think it is good to rigorous definitions that are easy to find for those who want them. --David Tornheim (talk) 00:02, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- I looked around for some examples of pages, some of them covering topics of reasonably broad interest as opposed to being on extremely specialized subjects, that seem to me to be written at a level that is way above what we should expect Wikipedia readers to have to deal with. I say this with the understanding that there are some people who naturally think mathematically, and may react to what I say here with something like what's confusing about that?. But I don't think that Wikipedia is the place for content that is only accessible to them. So here are: Eigenvalues and eigenvectors, Rigged Hilbert space, Sturm–Liouville theory, Lie algebra, Hamiltonian mechanics, Lagrangian (field theory), and Hermitian adjoint. When I compare these with the guidelines used for, for example, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles, there's really no comparison. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- The guideline many of us in the math and physics wikiprojects follow for readability is Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable. In fact, that guideline has recently become part of the good article criteria. The two most important points in that guideline for me for me are (1) make the lead/intro as understandable as possible and (2) write one level down. Accessibility relative to the level of the topic is a more sensible approach than an absolute reading level because different topics have naturally different levels of source material. --
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- The Introduction to viruses approach may be useful in some cases. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- As an editor who restricts himself to math articles I would say that most math articles are poorly written. I would hope that more of us could follow the guidelines that Mark has just mentioned, but they are aspirational and hard to follow in practice. I see two sources for the problem, one of which is Wikipedia policy. Our insistence on using Reliable Sources (which I wholeheartedly support) has the consequence of us having to rely on math texts that in turn are themselves poorly written, at least from the standpoint of a general reader. The general form of modern math texts (definition, lemma, theorem, corollary, example, repeat) is meant to convey the relevant information for a certain type of reader; one with sufficient background and an ability to parse very densely packed information. There are math books written for a general audience, but except for a very few they indulge in lies we tell children in lieu of dealing with sophisticated concepts, and even these do not exist for advanced topics. The second source that I see lies in the field itself. Editors who write math articles are of course influenced by the math teachers they have had in the past. If we have done our job right, our students have been indoctrinated to prize precision above all else. Words are messy, they can have more than one meaning and sometimes you can't even figure out that meaning without knowing the context in which they are used. It is no surprise that to achieve precision as few words as possible are to be used. This explains why mathematical writing is so infused with symbols having specialized meanings. Good for precision, but very reader unfriendly. I do not have solutions for these problems. On a personal note, I do revert edits that replace prose by formulae, especially in introductory sections. I have written (and have seen some other attempts as well) some introductions in a very reader friendly way, only to have them revised to more traditional "mathematical" prose. I do feel that I am making some small headway in improving the math articles, but it is an uphill battle.--Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 19:04, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I just had the experience of having an article of mine trashed. I wrote a way for students to estimate logs using addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, and powers. The excuse for trashing what I wrote to simplify things for students was it was not referenced.
2 plus 2 equals 4. What reference should I use. 2^3 power is 8. What reference should I use? When teachers or lay people go in and explain things on a more simplified level, the material is trashed as original ie not explicitly stated in some published text.
I even included a note at the bottom of the section that the section in question was a work in progress and I needed others to help.
Students are introduced to logs in high school but are often NOT told how to calculate a log using only precalculus techniques and with precalculus based justifications as to how to get a the value of a log which results in a fractional value. If this method was published in a recent textbook, I would simply have referenced that. As it is not, I put it there as a work in progress.
My chief complaint is that if wikipedia editors are doing that to me...then they are doing that to others who could explain technical material in a simple way. Realize that a drawing that would markedly simplify an article could be trashed as not previously published.
Many folks carry information on HOW to do something in their minds but dont have a published book on the topic. Wikipedia needs to have a designation for such explanations.
I am DISGUSTED with how Wikipedia handled this.
If volunteers TRY to add a simplified explanation or method and mark the article a work in progress, trashing the article is not helpful. Of note if I wrote the same thing in an e booklet and had it published, wikipedia would then accept the same material no matter HOW many copies were sold.
I would have hoped that before trashing what I submitted, the person destroying that would have DONE the math and though through what I was saying. Unless elementary mathematics of addition, subtraction, multiplication, division and powers is WRONG....then the argument was correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KatherineDRogers (talk • contribs) 20:38, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Porn site linked in references instead of article about cockroaches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surinam_cockroach
edu-net.nl/Flora%20en%20fauna/Boeken/Cockroache;%20Ecology,%20behavior%20&%20history%20-%20W.J.%20Bell.pdf SebastianGałecki (talk) 13:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- SebastianGałecki, that's a domain vacancy notice. Not finding it in the article, but it should be tagged with Template:dead link. We don't usually remove dead links, but instead tag them so someone can find an archival copy. WP:BEBOLD. John from Idegon (talk) 13:12, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
- @SebastianGałecki: I updated the cite with an archived version and marked the url as unfit, along with the other two uses of that site on Wikipedia. Blacklisting next. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:27, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Follow up
Quick follow up from before: Just a quick follow up question for anybody: if I find information without a reliable source but it turns out to be true, am I now in charge of adding the source? Or should I contact the editor who added the information. Please let me know for the future, thank you. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 06:47, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Lima Bean Farmer. If there is unsoured info in an article, but you believe it to be true, you have several options.
- You could find and add a valid source. This helps the article, probably more than anything else yo0u could do.
- You could add a {{cn}} tag, in effect asking someone else to provide the source. This at elast lotes tht a source is needed. You could include in your edit summary that you think the statement is correct, and why.
- You could post on the article talk page, describing why you think the unsourced statement is in fact accurate, but needs a source, and any hints of where to find a source you might have. In such a post you might ping the editor who added the statement, which can be found from the article history. That editor might know of a valid source.
- If the content was not inserted by you, you could, just ignore the issue. No one on Wikipedia is ever required to edit any particular article, or to clean up another editor's errors. However this does not improve the article at all.
- Note that not all statements need be cited to a source. See WP:BLUE. If a statement is not a quotation, is not an extraordinary claim, is not controversial or challenged or likely to be challenged, and is not a negative statement about a living person, a source is not required. Adding a source in such cases may be helpful, but is not essential. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:32, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you DES! That’s very helpful. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:00, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Semi-Protection
Hello Teahouse, I just wanted to know why so many disambiguation articles are semi-protected. And, on investigating the history of the articles there seems to be no obvious signs of vandalism. Eagerly awaiting your reply! Midshipman Percy (talk) 08:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC) Midshipman Percy (talk) 08:30, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Midshipman Percy: Could you provide some example links to the particular DAB pages you're referring too, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 08:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
The whole alphabet is semi-protected (although they arent DAB pages) No and Yes are semi-protected. Sorry, the list is short, but these pages don't have a long-running history of vandalism Midshipman Percy (talk) 09:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
How do we create a page for a new film or a person
How do we create a page for a new film or a person? Mir Sarwar (talk) 12:28, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Mirsarwar Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have mere "pages", it has articles. Successfully writing a new article is- as you have found out already- the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It's even harder when attempting to write about yourself or something for which you have a conflict of interest. New users are much more successful when they first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's also a good idea to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia.
- If you are associated with the subject you want to write about, you should review the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy before further edits. Whether you are associated with topics or not, you should read Your First Article and use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. This way you find out any problems first. Be prepared to have your initial effort be rejected- this is normal and part of the process.
- If you are going to write about a film, you should review the notability guidelines for films to see if the film you want to write about meets the criteria for an article, as demonstrated with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. For people, notability is defined at this link, although some career fields have their own, more specific criteria(actors, athletes, politicians, etc.) 331dot (talk) 13:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
- Additionally, your use of "we" in your OP is troubling. First, Wikipedia usernames are for one unique person only. Second, if you (or your employer) has any relationship with the subject you are writing about, you need to see (and follow) WP:PAID. Frankly, we don't need more people using Wikipedia to promote things. Mirsarwar, who is using your account, and what is your relationship with the subjects you propose to write about? John from Idegon (talk) 20:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Bhaukal, Review
I have added many sources for the subject of this article. I think that would be enough. Will be added if more sources are required. So please review. Send it to the main article. Thank you. Arun singh Yaduvanshi (talk) 19:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- Courtesy: Editor means Draft:Bhaukal, as Bhaukaal is redirected to an existing article. The draft was submitted to AfC review eight days ago. Review can happen in days to weeks, but sometimes months. There is a problem: although the draft is titled "Bhaukal", in the body of the draft and references, it is "Bhaukaal". David notMD (talk) 20:09, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
This article has been misdirected in its entirety. The article on which it is directed has nothing to do with this article. Both articles are independent of each other. I have given many sources for this and none of them proves that where it is directed is correct. Such guidance hurts who ruins someone's hard work all at once.Arun singh Yaduvanshi (talk) 20:25, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
- If your draft is approved, it will be given a name that separates it from the other Indian crime drama. David notMD (talk) 01:29, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. Draft:Bhaukal, Arun singh Yaduvanshi (talk) 06:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
How do I Deal with a Self-Referential article in citations ...?
I’m New. How do I Deal with a Self-Referential article in citations? If a Wikipedia Page includes citations that are provided from the Subjects own Personal Website, or a website that they are in control of, what is the protocol? Should it be deleted? Is it Flagged? Also, what it the correct terminology for this sort of citation?
For example: From the Leslie Graves Wiki Article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Graves_(nonprofit_executive)
‘Graves has also worked as a homemaker, in community theater, and in Catholic ministry.[10]’
The citation linked is to the website of the Non-profit run by Leslie Graves:
http://www.lucyburns.org/about/our-staff
But then it runs through to the website Ballotpedia.org, which is also run by Leslie Graves :
https://ballotpedia.org/Lucy_Burns_Institute
What would be the proper protocol to handle this kind of situation?
Thanks for your help. TheFinalTrophyWife (talk) 00:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello TheFinalTrophyWife and welcome to the Teahouse! Per Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Self-published_sources, a subjects own webpages can be used if "it is not unduly self-serving" and "the article is not based primarily on such sources" etc. Birthdate, place of birth, stuff like that is fine. IMO, Graves has also worked as a homemaker, in community theater, and in Catholic ministry isn't interesting unless it comes from a decent independent source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- And the protocol is WP:BRD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Conflict of Interest concerns
Admin billinghurst expressed concern that I may have a conflict of interest related to edits that I made on both the Sears Modern Homes wikipedia page, and the Kit House wikipedia page. I can fully understand why there would be a concern on first glance, because, as my user name shows, my personal area of interest is Sears houses. Admin billinghurst expressed concern that my website about Sears houses "appeared to be commercial in nature", and he therefore felt that I must have a conflict of interest in any edits that I make on Wikipedia pages related to Sears houses or kit houses, in general. However, my website, and the others that I linked to, are in no way commercial or related to any kind of sales or services or financial connection of any kind. None whatsoever. I write factual, research-based information about Sears houses (and other kit houses, in the U.S.), and how to identify them, and authenticate them, and I do this only because I have a personal, non-professional interest in this topic, because my mother grew up in a Sears house. I have a personal hobby of looking for Sears houses, and other kit houses, around the U.S., and share my interest with a select few other researchers who also have zero profit-related connections to this topic. Through our research in historical databases (such as historic newspapers, old lumberman journals, and mortgage and deed records in counties around the U.S.), and our reading of Sears Modern Homes catalogs, we have developed an admirably strong, and accurate, knowledge base. I frequently find hugely inaccurate information in newspaper articles and historical society newsletters, and seek simply to have a venue to help publish fact-based, supported, accurate, unbiased information, for historic purposes. That is why I began documenting the Sears houses that I find, on a website, and have further developed that website to offer resources for other researchers and interested parties. It is a unique resource, because it offers images of still-existing real-life Sears houses, and historic information on the background of many of the houses, as well as tips for others interested in correctly identifying these historic homes. For this reason, I was hoping to offer it (Sears House Seeker), and another extremely reputable website, Kit House Hunters, as additional resources on the Wikpedia pages related to Sears Modern Homes and Kit Houses. Admin billinghurst referred me to the helpful Wikipedia tutorial page on adding External links, and, after reading through all of information on that page, I feel certain that I am not going against any of the policies, either in spirit or in practice. May I add, for your consideration, that the websites that I added as external links, fall under the category of: Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to ... amount of detail. The websites that I added offer carefully researched material for the purpose of helping others recognize and appreciate kit houses around the U.S. They offer many pages of images of real-world Sears (or other company) kit houses, and images of elements that help identify these historic homes, and each has its own unique educational and informative focus. Further, I would add that the external links to SearsHomes.org and Sears-Homes.com (Sears Homes of Chicagoland) that have been allowed as part of the external links on these two Wikipedia pages for years, are for websites of the same nature, in general, as the websites that I linked to -- though the websites that I linked to bring additional information to readers, because they offer more robust exploration and educational information about the process behind looking for and documenting kit houses, as well as additional historic and data-driven information. I respectfully request that my external links be reviewed, so that you can see that they are factual, informative, educational, and not profit related in any way, and I further respectfully request that my edits be allowed to stand. Searshouse (talk) 02:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Searshouse: Please consider reworking that wall of text into a concise and readable question, RudolfRed (talk) 05:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
More to the point, as Billinghurst was the editor who reverted your edits at both articles, go to User talk:Billinghurst and start a discussion there. I recommend following RudolfRed's advice - brevity, brevity, brevity. David notMD (talk) 14:02, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Short discussion started on talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 01:33, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
@Searshouse: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The situation where an editor is also the publisher of a source that is used in an article is strenuously avoided here on Wikipedia, for obvious reasons. The neutrality of the wiki is a paramount concern, and while you might think that your site on Sears houses is the best most accurate thing out there, but you are not in a position to say that neutrally as you have an obvious conflict of interest. If you need to discuss Billinghurst's revert of that material, the article talk page is probably the best place, or on his talk page if you have already started the discussion there. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:45, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Help to contest this nomination: nomination of Shawn Huang Wei Zhong at articles for deletion
After I posted my first article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Huang_Wei_Zhong, I received a notification that it will be nominated for deletion.
Notification: This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Please share your thoughts on the matter at this article's entry on the Articles for deletion page. Feel free to improve the article, but the article must not be blanked, and this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed. For more information, particularly on merging or moving the article during the discussion, read the guide to deletion.
As I'm new to wiki, I need some guidance on what I need to do to avoid this article being deleted.
Any advice will be much appreciated. Thang324 (talk) 08:45, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Would linking this article to a national newspaper's citation of the subject help in resolving the conflict of interest?
Thanks. Thang324 (talk) 11:09, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thang324 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are conflating two different issues. The article has been proposed for deletion because has not been shown to meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability(please review). The sources offered are all brief mentions- what is required is significant coverage of the person by people completely unconnected with them. Please read Your First Article
- Second, it seems that you have a conflict of interest with regard to Shawn Huang Wei Zhong. If so, you need to review the conflict of interest policy and make the appropriate declaration. If you are receiving any compensation for editing about this person, you must comply with the paid editing policy, a Terms of Use requirement. 331dot (talk) 11:18, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Reusing Links
Hello, Teahouse, I was just wondering whether, when editing a draft article, I could reuse the same link.-Thanks! Midshipman Percy (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC) Midshipman Percy (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Midshipman Percy. Can you clarify what you mean by link? Do you mean WP:WIKILINK, WP:EXTERNALLINK or WP:CITATION. — Marchjuly (talk) 09:05, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
I was using external links from other pages not from wiki.-Thanks for answering! Midshipman Percy (talk) 09:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Midshipman Percy: Out of interest, did you know you have included this PubMed citation in your draft of a shoot 'em up software article? See WP:REFNAME for how to re-use a citation many times. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:04, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
PubMed? Must have been a mistake, thanks for telling me! Midshipman Percy (talk) 08:29, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
my draft article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:VoodooSMS has not accepting
i am writing my article about the company neutrally Draft:VoodooSMS but it not accept on other side the article TextMagic accpet and publish so i confuse what we do with our article to accept.please help Syed zaid ul haq (talk) 11:29, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Syed zaid ul haq Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. When you say "our article" I interpret that to mean that you are employed by VoodooSMS. If so, you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to read and formally comply with the paid editing policy and declare your status. You should make that declaration before you do anything else.
- Your draft just tells about your company, and offers almost no sources. Wikipedia is actually not interested in what a company wants to say about itself or its offerings. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must only summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a company, demonstrating how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Significant coverage goes beyond brief mentions, announcements of routine business transactions, or other primary sources. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field. It depends on the sources. 331dot (talk) 11:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Your draft has only one ref. And TextMagic should probably be nominated for deletion as inadequately referenced and short on content. David notMD (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Zinc sulfide
How can you separate Zinc Sulfide into its original elements using basic means? UB Blacephalon (talk) 15:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Blacephalon: The Teahouse is for discussing how to use Wikipedia. I think you want WP:RD. —[[[User:AlanM1|AlanM
- (edit conflict) Hello, Christian Ficht and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you have listed various exhibitions solo and group, where Krauss's work has been displayed. But that is not the same as having been added to the permanent collection of an institutio0n. And in any case, you have not yet included citations to sources that verify the exhibitions, and that Krauss's work was a "substantial part" of them. If there are independent sources that offer a critical assessment of his work, whether positive or negative, that would be very helpful. Note that sources do not have to be in English, nor available online, although both are nice. DES urple">1 (talk)]— 16:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ahh thanks! Wrong place.... UB Blacephalon (talk) 16:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
AUTOPATROLLED rights
how can i access AUTOPATROLLED rights? Baran Ahmet (talk) 16:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Baran Ahmet: If you mean how do you get those rights, see WP:APAT, though I don't believe you have the suggested experience level of having created 25 articles. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:40, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
So i have to create 25 articles for access those rights? Baran Ahmet (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Baran Ahmet: Yes, that is the basic requirement. However, keep in mind that autopatrolled does not give you any more editing permissions or capabilities than what you already have, so you don't need to have to right at all. Its primary purpose is to reduce the backlog for New Page Patrol. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 16:48, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ganbaruby: Okay, but i wanna take a knowladge from you what are differents between autoconfirmed and autopatrolled? Thanks Baran Ahmet (talk) 16:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Baran Ahmet: The autoconformed right is automantically given to accounts 4 days old and have made 10 edits. They get to create and move pages and can edit semi-protected pages. You should aready be autoconformed. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM for more details. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 17:06, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ganbaruby: Okay, but i wanna take a knowladge from you what are differents between autoconfirmed and autopatrolled? Thanks Baran Ahmet (talk) 16:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry I joined Wikipedia - would like to delete my account
Hello. I am Wikipedia's stupidest and most horrible ex-user. I joined Wikipedia last week but have HURT and UPSET other users, particularly Christian American users who have sent me messages that have made me realise what an evil, stupid, bisexual bitch I have been.
I have already apologised to one user who is very angry with me for upsetting them, I apologise to all users for:
- adding the birthdates of obscure past and present Partick Thistle footballers (many of the birthdates I added have been deleted by other users) to list articles
- adding content about British television, dead British comedians who weren't famous in America and the British music charts
I am leaving Wikipedia and want to delete my account. I will never even LOOK at Wikipedia again after my account is deleted. Before I go, I would like to give other users a word of advice. My advice is: DO NOT POST ANYTHING ABOUT the British music charts, Morecambe & Wise, Les Dawson, Dustin Gee, dormant British television companies, The Wonder Stuff or Partick Thistle and its players (past or present). I have found that posting ANYTHING about these people or things offends Wikipedia's American users and constitutes trolling. I would also like to apologise to all Wikipedia users for ALL THE PEOPLE WHOSE BIRTH / DEATH DATES I ADDED TO YEAR LIST ARTICLES HAVING BEEN BORN. Boatfrog74 (talk) 17:00, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Boatfrog74, Hello, Wikipedia isn’t all about editing stuffs in articles, there are many other areas you could dive in, for example Article assessments, Identifying WP:COPYVIO, participating in Afd’s and many more. New users often make mistakes, being warned doesn’t mean another user hates you, they are just trying to correct you. I hope you change your mind and decide to participate constructively to Wikipedia. Regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 17:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Boatfrog74: Wikipedia accounts cannot be deleted. You can howewer simply abandom your account. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Boatfrog74, Hello, Wikipedia isn’t all about editing stuffs in articles, there are many other areas you could dive in, for example Article assessments, Identifying WP:COPYVIO, participating in Afd’s and many more. New users often make mistakes, being warned doesn’t mean another user hates you, they are just trying to correct you. I hope you change your mind and decide to participate constructively to Wikipedia. Regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 17:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- (ec) @Boatfrog74: We don't delete accounts. If you don't want to use your account, don't use it. You can change the password to some random string and then lose it if you want. For other newbies that may read this, I'd like to point out that Boatfrog74's advice is nonsense. Wikipedia welcomes encyclopedic contributions to any and all subjects. That means what you write has to be verifiable by being cited to reliable sources and encyclopedic in nature and tone. The idea that there is one set of sensibilities among Wikipedia's (minority of) American and/or Christian users, and that somehow governs what is acceptable, is as offensive as it is ridiculous. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
One option is to put Retired on your User page. Open that page for editing, create double curly brackets {{ }} with the word Retired inside. Publish this change. This will create a black rectangle across your User page with the word Retired inside. David notMD (talk) 17:52, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
How do you center the captions of images? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Dandini Here in the gallery, all the captions are centered except for the last two. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 18:28, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Helpfulwikieditoryay: I made them consistent with the others. I have the feeling that it's not the "correct" way to do it (either they shouldn't be centered or using HTML center tags is not the "right" solution on WP), but I'll leave that for someone who knows or wants to investigate. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk • contribs) 21:14, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Suggesting that a page be removed or merged
Hello Teahouse Hosts,
Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coven_(art_collective) because it is on the June 2020 list of articles that need improvement, and from what I can find via web search, neither this group nor its individual members have been cited in reliable third-party sources, and it appears that the art collective is no longer functioning, as some of the members have no listing on the La Centrale website. I was hoping to improve the article, but now think that it is perhaps not a useful entry and perhaps should be removed or at least merged with the La Centrale wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Centrale. That said, I'm a new editor and this would be my first suggested removal. I would welcome your advice and guidance on how best to proceed.
Thanks! Nunezjohns (talk) 18:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Nunezjohns: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I had a look at that page and I agree it is not a notable enough organization for Wikipedia to have a page on it. I've nominated it for deletion. You can follow the discussion by clicking on the link at the top of the article page's AFD notice.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:44, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks @ThatMontrealIP. I appreciate your help! Nunezjohns (talk) 22:55, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
comment from 73.52.90.253
I would like to learn more about the organization and how it works. I am a moderate conservative that is totally fed up with the state of this county. I refer to myself as "The Silent Majority" and I'd like to join an orgnaization tht strives to bring peace back to this country. As a Vietnam Veteran and someone who supports President Donald Tump I'm 100% fedup with the censorship we are seeing. You can't even Fast Check items to get the real truth. i.e. Number of Black assaults on Whites.
73.52.90.253 (talk) 21:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- If you are here to make some sort of political comment or create a political platform then you re at the wrong web site. This is an encyclopaedia based upon cited facts recorded by other people in reliable sources. Fiddle Faddle 21:31, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Please visit Wikipedia:About to learn about Wikipedia. Be prepared to experience facts and information that might not fit your worldview, so brace yourself. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your service in the war. To learn more about Wikipedia, create an account. Then you can edit pages without worrying about people seeing your IP address, which gives away the location which you live. Additionally, you can join the WP:CVU, which is a unit that's focused on reverting vandalism. Form there, you can read all the Wikipedia policy pages and gain a thorough understanding on how Wikipedia works. If you have further questions, you can reply to this thread and someone will reply. First, however, it's highly recommended creating an account. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is not a political commentary site. Thanks, Thanoscar21talk, contribs 21:36, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) @73.52.90.253: Welcome to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. Many editors do not recommend wearing your politics on your sleeve here. Polemics are not the point of Wikipedia. Editing Wikipedia solely to advocate a specific point of view is not recommended either. Remember, the second of our five pillars is neutrality. However, Wikipedia is also not censored. We have an article about race and crime in the United States, and in the section § Assault, it already seems to mention what you're looking for. I'd also encourage you to review the page Wikipedia:No Nazis—I'm not saying you are one, that's just the name of the page. It's important to remember that, as it states, Racists are inherently incompatible with Wikipedia. If you're mostly interested in editing to push a racist POV, you're not going to have a good time here. Remember, also, we are not here to right great wrongs. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 21:41, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
alamy.com selling my photo and making a profit how to stop it
I noticed that alamy is selling a photo I donated to wikipedia and making it look as if I am selling this photo, but I am not selling it and I don't want to sell it. What is the relationship between wikipedia and alamy? I never used alamy before and I don't even have an account with them. They are scammers selling free photos? It says I am selling the photo for $19.00 for full digital rights. This is a complete lie. I refuse to sell my photo for any reason and I am embarrassed by this commercialism. Do all wikipedia photos become property of alamy? They will certainly be hearing from me about this, but I need to know where I stand before I confront them about this. Maybe someone else is selling the photo who also stole it? How can I remove this embarrassment? Ty78ejui (talk) 00:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ty78ejui: Can you provide a link to where this is happening? When you freely license your images (which is required to donate them to Wikipedia), you permit others to sell them, subject to certain conditions. (We can check if alamy.com is complying with those conditions if you provide a link.) But others would be pretty foolish to pay alamy.com for them, when they are available for free on Wikipedia. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:30, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ty78ejui: Welcome to Wikipedia. There is no relationship between Wikipedia and Alamy. Whatever they are doing with the photo you uploaded here you will need to discuss with them. We can't offer legal advice. RudolfRed (talk) 00:31, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes here is the link https://www.alamy.com/carmelo-zito-image153128780.html This is a picture of my father and I give it freely. He was a Socialist and would not approve of this. If anyone was selling it, it should be me. Ty78ejui (talk) 00:38, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- (ec) @Ty78ejui: You might want to read Alamy#Criticism. I believe the second paragraph describes a similar situation. The key is that, in order for you to upload the image to Wikipedia (or Wikimedia Commons), you had to license it with a "free license", which allows re-use with attribution by anyone for any purpose, including selling it. If Alamy has properly cited the source, they are in the clear. Even if they haven't, it seems that, in the referenced case, Highsmith was unable to recover because she granted a similar free license to the LoC. I'm guessing that only the last licensor (in that case, the LoC) has standing, but this is just a guess, as I am not a lawyer (and not offering legal advice). As was said above, please do provide us with a link to the image in question both here and at alamy.com so that, if they are not properly following the license, the WMF can have a chat with them. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes I posted the link and here is again, maybe I should go into the photo itself and restrict the rights on it? Maybe it is a matter of I had selected the wrong settings for the photo? If I was just like a plant or a flower I would not really care, but its my father. https://www.alamy.com/carmelo-zito-image153128780.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ty78ejui (talk • contribs) 00:50, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ty78ejui: Right – we were posting at the same time (ec = edit conflict). Changing to a non-free license (if it even lets you do that) would only result in it being deleted from Wikipedia (or Commons). As long as they grabbed it when it was freely licensed (which they did), you can't later reduce their their rights under that license. I don't see any attribution to Wikipedia, but perhaps someone more familiar with Alamy and these situations can comment about whether they have a license statement somwhere I am not seeing or whether the issue needs to be forwarded to the WMF copyright folks. File:Carmelo Zito.jpg appears to be the Commons image at issue, which was uploaded in 2014 by Apriv40dj, who last edited in 2015. Is that your account as well? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I created the article and upload that and some other items. That was me. I am not sure I can get into that account anymore, due to the password situation. I am was not able to do a reset because I had not connected an email to that account. Ty78ejui (talk) 01:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
I have already contacted alamy by phone and email. They don't answer the phone and they have a voice mail in place. I will be following up with them. I don't know if they are going to ignore me because they do this all the time. They must have so many angry people wanting photos removed that they probably just ignore all messages. Ty78ejui (talk) 01:22, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Ty78ejui. Once you release one of your images under a free license to Commons, you can't really go back and change or revoke the original license as explained in c:COM:LRV; so, trying to restrict the rights on it is going to mean that the file will end up being deleted from Commons; moreover, Commons doesn't really deal with c:Commons:Non-copyright restrictions and there will be no real acceptable way to try add such restrictions to a Commmons file that would still allow the file to meet c:COM:L. Since this file was uploaded to Commons, you might want to try asking about it at c:COM:VPC, but I think your probably get the same or similar answers to what you've gotten here. FWIW, nothing resolved in a Wikipedia or Commons discussion is probably going to be able to stop Alamy from doing what they're doing; you most like will need to find another way to do that. Maybe try contacting the Wikimedia Foundation directly here to see what they say. This is probably not the first time this type of thing has happened so perhaps the WMF can advise you on what might be possible in a case like this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:49, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- I notice that everyone is talking about licensing, but the image is tagged public domain. RudolfRed (talk) 02:10, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, Ty78ejui the image File:Carmelo Zito.jpg is tagged as being in the public domain. If the photographer died more than 70 years ago, or if the picture was published in 1923 or before, that is correct under US law. Copyright law in other countries is similar, but details and dates differ. If the photo is PD, then anyone has the legal right to make and sell copies, although not to claim a copyright on them. Had it been uploaded under a valid CC-BY-SA license, reusing it without attribution would be a copyright infringement, but the Wikimedia Foundation would not be helpful here. The Foundation has long taken the position that individual contributors own their own copyrights, and are individually responsible for undertaking any legal actions needed to defend them. It defends only the various foundation trademarks and logos. I don't think anyone here or on commons will be able to help you. If you think the image is still under copyright protection, you would need to consult your own lawyer or adviser. If it isn't then reprinting it for a fee may be immoral in some eyes, but is perfectly legal. I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. Consult a lawyer for detailed legal advice. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- By the way, there are some problems with the image. It is listed on commons with a date of 2014, which seems to be the date of upload, no0t the date the photo was taken, and is listed as "own work" which cannot be accurate. That would be a claim that you took the photo, not that you scanned it or uploaded it.This should be corrected, with an accurate date for the photo given if possible. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 02:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Ty78ejui. RudolfRed is correct. The account you say is your previous account uploaded this photo as a public domain image in 2014. By doing so, you released all rights to the image, including the right of attribution of the image to you. Anyone can use public domain images anywhere for any purpose, including moneymaking ventures. I could start a company selling posters, coffee mugs, and T-shirts decorated with the photo of your father, and you can't do anything about it. I could modify the photo, colorize it or photoshop it into a group photo with other people and sell that too. The same thing is true of Alamy. That horse left the barn six years ago when you released the photo into the public domain. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, Cullen328 that is not correct, at least not under US law. Under US law a work is in the public domain if its copyright has expired, or if it was never protected by copyright for any of several reasons (Federal government work, not an original work, etc) or copyright was not renewed (during the period when renewal was required, it no longer is) or if it was published without a copyright notice (prior to 1978). But no one can "release a work into the Public domain". If the copyright has not lapsed or been canceled by the operation of copyright law, it is not PD, although the copyright owner can give rights to a public entity, such as the Library of Congress, which will not enforce copyright, or can release the work under a free license.
- If the designation of this photo as PD in 2014 was legally incorrect, then it
ismay be still under copyright, although it may be that a party who relied on the PD designation in good faith would be immune from more than nominal damages in a suit. The key questions would be:- When was the photo taken and by whom?
- When did the photographer die?
- When and where was the photo first published?
- See this well-known chart for details. That is all under US law, if the photo was taken elsewhere the law of that country may apply. Alamy is apparently a UK company, so UK law may apply.
- In any case a copyright suit is usually about economic damages, and in that case I wonder how much actual economic value this image has, which might well mean that a suit would cost far more to bring than it would possibly win. Ty78ejui please take note, and you might do well to consult a copyright lawyer if you wish to proceed. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC) @Cullen328: DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- DESiegel, my comment above was based on the assumption that Ty78ejui as the son of the person portrayed had inherited the rights to what he calls a "family photo". You are correct that the situation is murky if the photo was taken by a professional photographer or was previously published somewhere. Then, the date of publication and the death date of the photographer would be critical in determining its status. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:53, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Also, DESiegel, a copyright holder can voluntarily release an image or any copyrighted work into the public domain if they so choose, and it is done all the time. And copyrights can be inherited. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Cullen328, Copyrights can certainly be inherited, and can also be sold or given away. However, the person portrayed in a photo would not own the rights to the photo, the person who took the photo, whether a professional or not, would, initially. If that person was a member of the family, the OP might well have inherited the rights. But simply posting a statement describing a photo as in the public domain does not make it so, even if the person doing so is the copyright holder. Copyright duration is governed by 17 USC 301-305. Nothing in any of these sections provides for the ability of an author or copyright holder to dedicate a work to the public domain. Sections 203 and 303 provide that any copyright transfer or license may be terminated by the grantor(s) or their heirs, within certain time limits (for works created or published after 1978, from 35-40 years after creation or publication, for earlier works at a time related to the renewal date) and this right to terminate cannot be contracted away or disclaimed in advance. This would apply to a dedication to the public. Note that the intro to the Creative Commons Zero license says
Dedicating works to the public domain is difficult if not impossible for those wanting to contribute their works for public use before applicable copyright or database protection terms expire. Few if any jurisdictions have a process for doing so easily and reliably. ... many legal systems effectively prohibit any attempt by these owners to surrender rights automatically conferred by law, particularly moral rights, even when the author wishing to do so is well informed and resolute about doing so and contributing their work to the public domain.
In short, under US law, my understanding is that an author cannot effectively release a work into the public domain -- the most that can be done is to grant a free license without conditions to anyone, and even this may be canceled in the termination period. See also copyright office circular 15a: Duration of Copyright. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 06:10, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Cullen328, Copyrights can certainly be inherited, and can also be sold or given away. However, the person portrayed in a photo would not own the rights to the photo, the person who took the photo, whether a professional or not, would, initially. If that person was a member of the family, the OP might well have inherited the rights. But simply posting a statement describing a photo as in the public domain does not make it so, even if the person doing so is the copyright holder. Copyright duration is governed by 17 USC 301-305. Nothing in any of these sections provides for the ability of an author or copyright holder to dedicate a work to the public domain. Sections 203 and 303 provide that any copyright transfer or license may be terminated by the grantor(s) or their heirs, within certain time limits (for works created or published after 1978, from 35-40 years after creation or publication, for earlier works at a time related to the renewal date) and this right to terminate cannot be contracted away or disclaimed in advance. This would apply to a dedication to the public. Note that the intro to the Creative Commons Zero license says
- Also, DESiegel, a copyright holder can voluntarily release an image or any copyrighted work into the public domain if they so choose, and it is done all the time. And copyrights can be inherited. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- DESiegel, my comment above was based on the assumption that Ty78ejui as the son of the person portrayed had inherited the rights to what he calls a "family photo". You are correct that the situation is murky if the photo was taken by a professional photographer or was previously published somewhere. Then, the date of publication and the death date of the photographer would be critical in determining its status. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:53, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Ty78ejui. RudolfRed is correct. The account you say is your previous account uploaded this photo as a public domain image in 2014. By doing so, you released all rights to the image, including the right of attribution of the image to you. Anyone can use public domain images anywhere for any purpose, including moneymaking ventures. I could start a company selling posters, coffee mugs, and T-shirts decorated with the photo of your father, and you can't do anything about it. I could modify the photo, colorize it or photoshop it into a group photo with other people and sell that too. The same thing is true of Alamy. That horse left the barn six years ago when you released the photo into the public domain. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Actually I got some of that wrong. The article was created by a friend of mine who is big on Wikipedia because he felt it was a good thing to do, but I was the one who asked him to help with it. I don't mean to have said I was him, but I was the one who wanted the article created. Maybe some other person would have later done so, most likely, but this was in the earlier days of Wikipedia. There is more information about him at the UC Berkeley Library that has not yet been digitized transferred. I am hoping someone would be interested enough to research my father and add to his Wikipedia as almost all of it is in Italian and I don't read or speak Italian. Ty78ejui (talk) 12:12, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protection
Hello TeaHouse, how long will i have to wait before I can edit semi-protected articles, I started on the 22nd of June 2020.-Thanks! Midshipman Percy (talk) 08:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC) Midshipman Percy (talk) 08:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Midshipman Percy: One must have an account at least 4 days old and made 10 edits. You should get there in a few hours. 217.68.167.73 (talk) 09:52, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I just wanted to add a couple of things to the Plague.-Thanks Midshipman Percy (talk) 10:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
My edit was blocked
I am new here and was attempting to edit an article for which I had made an image. The image is .png, and is 1Mb in size.
Upon deleting another image which mine was to replace, I got an error message which stated that there was something wrong, and I could follow several links to find out more. I followed a link but failed to find out what went wrong.
I then tried again, planning to follow another link to see if this would be more helpful. Instead, I was blocked as potentially malicious.
I am not malicious! I worked for a week to make a really educational image explaining the working of Stellar Parallax measurement in a quite improved way compared to what was visible on the page before.
Can anyone help me navigate to a solution?
Much obliged,
Peter PdeQuant (talk) 08:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hi PdeQuant, welcome to the Teahouse. I see from [1] that you tried an upload method which has problems. Try commons:Special:UploadWizard instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:25, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Thank you that worked! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax
How to find valid source?
How to find a valid source? If I want to write a biography of a person or to write about an organization. Apart from it, how many things I have to disclose on talk page? Bloggerkratika (talk) 09:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- You appear to be attempting to create an article about your employer. This is a bad idea; please read and digest Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. (Unsurprisingly, your draft reads like a PR release.) Good sources probably don't exist.
- If your primary purpose is to publicize your employer, please do so on some other website. If your primary purpose is to dispassionately inform readers, you are welcome to continue within Wikipedia, but please write about some other subject. -- Hoary (talk) 09:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
I got your point, but my motive is to inform readers about honey Katiyal and his great contribution for the real estate industry.
- Courtesy: This is about Draft:Honey Katiyal, which has not yet been submitted for review. Bloggerkratika has declared a Paid relationship on own User page and on Talk page of the draft. In my opinion the tone is promotional and the references weak - for example, one is written by HK, another an interview. David notMD (talk) 10:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Bloggerkratika. I'm afraid that "to inform readers about XXX and his great contribution" is called promotion, and is fundamentally incompatible with the purposes of Wikipedia. Even if you try to be objective, if that is your purpose, it is going to be difficult for you to write sufficiently neutrally. But if you insist on going ahead, to partly answer your question, remember that Wikipedia is basically not interested in
- anything said, written, or published by Katiyal about himself
- anything said, written, or published about him his by employees, employers, relatives, or associates.
- and that includes anything said in the course of an interview, or in a press release, even if these are published by somebody else. Wikipedia is only interested in what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to write about them, and been published somewhere reliable. --ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Draft:Bhaukal, Review
I have added many sources for the subject of this article. I think that would be enough. Will be added if more sources are required. Along with this, the subject of the article will also be extended. Review article. Thank you Arun singh Yaduvanshi (talk) 09:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Arun singh Yaduvanshi, as you know your draft is already being in the process of being reviewed again, this can take up to days or weeks, no need to ask here because this will not speed up this process. CommanderWaterford (talk) 10:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- To second that - Teahouse volunteers answer questions about Wikipedia. Reviewers are an entirely separate group of volunteers. David notMD (talk) 10:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- In case you can't read what it says in the box on the draft, it says: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 6 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,134 pending submissions waiting for review." --David Biddulph (talk) 10:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- A point to note here is that adding wikiproject templates to your draft’s talk page will increase your chances of a speedy review (no guarantee, but the first time I did that, my articles were approved in a day). RBBB9911Talk 12:07, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Introducing an indigenous language
How can I introduce an African indigenous language in Wikipedia? Mmaua (talk) 10:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Mmaua: Do you mean creating a new article about an African language that does not have its own article yet? If so, see Help:Your first article. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 15:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
how to write an article about the organisation?
how do I start writing an article about the organization? Bloggerkratika (talk) 11:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- You essentially got answers to this question above, please do not create additional sections for similar questions. 331dot (talk) 11:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- The answers about the organisation are essentially the same as the answers about the leader, Bloggerkratika, including about your purpose. It is possible, that the organisation is NORG notable (and an article could in principle exist) but the founder is not; or the other way round. Or they might both be notable. If they are, it is likely that some of the sources will work for both, but not all, --ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks -ColinFine
Approval of draft
Please someone should help me in approving my draft for review Draft:2020 Kansallinen Liiga, I submitted it 9 days ago but I need it to be reviewed and approved for easier updates. My last article for review didn't take up to 5 days before it was reviewed and approved. I'll be grateful if the administrators can make it quick, it's difficult for me to search for the draft then update it since the article is an ongoing event. Josedimaria (talk)11:40,26 June 2020 (UTC).
- Josedimaria237 Drafts are reviewed in no particular order by volunteers(not just administrators); it theoretically could take five minutes, or five months. There is no way to know for certain, though it usually takes a few weeks. As noted in the submission template, "This may take 6 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,129 pending submissions waiting for review." Efforts to "jump the line" like this don't usually work. You will have to be patient. There shouldn't be any need to search for the draft if you have watchlisted it, it should appear in your watchlist, it also appears in your contribution history. 331dot (talk) 11:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- 331dot As soon as I posted this, I received a notification immediately saying it has been reviewed but the sad thing is that the article is an existing article but however it's a blank article. I was told to improve the existing article whereas when I created and submitted mine that existing article hadn't been created, now should I delete the Draft:2020 Kansallinen Liiga or should I convert the existing article 2020 Kansallinen Liiga to a redirect?
- Are you referring to Kansallinen Liiga? If that article needs work still, you are welcome to edit it. You can tag your draft with a user request delete if you wish. 331dot (talk) 11:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- 331dot Thanks, I'll do that now
Josedimaria237 (talk) 11:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Alphabetic code
When readers search for "alphabetic code" they are brought to Federal_Reserve_Bank#Banks, applicable to only a narrow range of readers. I would like them to go to phonics#The alphabetic principle (also: The alphabetic code), a world-wide topic. I would then add a hatnote about Federal_Reserve_Bank#Banks.
I have looked at Help:Disambiguation but still don't know what to do.
Can you help? John (talk) 14:25, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Jnhmunro and welcome to the Teahouse. Actually a search for "alphabetic code" produces a list of articles where the two words are used adjacently or in close proximity, with Alphabetic principle first on the list (and that article links to Phonics). It is true that Federal_Reserve_Bank#Banks is the only search suggestion, but if the user dowes not accept that, the full list of results appears.
- WP:DAB says:
Disambiguation is required whenever, for a given word or phrase on which a reader might search, there is more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead. In this situation there must be a way for the reader to navigate quickly from the page that first appears to any of the other possible desired articles.
- It would be possible to create Alphabetic code as a Disambiguation page, listing several possible articles about meanings of this phrase, but I am not sure that it is a good idea. The current search results find several relevant pages. Is there reason to think this is a frequently searched term? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- I created the redirect Alphabetic code → phonics#The alphabetic principle (also: The alphabetic code). Redirects are cheap and there is no need that they be used frequently to justify their existence, so the redirect is a strict improvement over a redlink. It might be that the reader would be better-served with a full-fledge article or a disambiguation page; I do not have enough familiarity of the topic to know that. TigraanClick here to contact me 15:49, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Jnhmunro and Tigraan: Should the redirect destination of Alphabetic code be Alphabetic principle instead? From both articles it seems as if the two phrases are synonymous. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 15:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Jnhmunro, Tigraan, and Ganbaruby: I have converted this to a DAB page, with Alphabetic principle as the first entry. If this were to be a redirect instead, i agree that Alphabetic principle would be the better target. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Jnhmunro and Tigraan: Should the redirect destination of Alphabetic code be Alphabetic principle instead? From both articles it seems as if the two phrases are synonymous. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 15:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- I created the redirect Alphabetic code → phonics#The alphabetic principle (also: The alphabetic code). Redirects are cheap and there is no need that they be used frequently to justify their existence, so the redirect is a strict improvement over a redlink. It might be that the reader would be better-served with a full-fledge article or a disambiguation page; I do not have enough familiarity of the topic to know that. TigraanClick here to contact me 15:49, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks to all. Alphabetic code is used by teachers and gets many more results in a Google search. Alphabet principle is used by linguists. I will consider writing an article about alphabetic code for all the teachers out there. John (talk) 16:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- If you do that, Jnhmunro, please retain the DAB page I created, either making your new article at something like Alphabetic code (Education) or else moving the DAB page to Alphabetic code (disambiguation), and of course in either case adding your new article to the DAB page. Thanks. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:00, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
how are you
41.113.110.21 (talk) 14:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Eames chair
Can you add a picture of the famous Charles Eames chair to the Charles Eames page? 174.21.44.151 (talk) 15:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, IP Editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. The chair is not currently mentioned in Charles Eames, do you have any sources to cite about it? Do you know of a freely licensed picture of the chair, or could you take one yourself? This could all be discussed on Talk:Charles Eames. You can't upload a file directly without creating and logging into an account, i believe, but you could use Wikipedia:Files for upload. Wikipedia strongly prefers freely licensed images, and will only use non-=free images under quite limited circumstances. And in general any image in any article should help thye reader understand the subject better, not just serve as decoration. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Eames Lounge Chair (Assuming you mean this one)
- Hi, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, you can’t do so, if you are talking about the aforementioned chair, because there is already a picture of it on Charles and Ray Eames. If you have a better picture, then you probably can replace the old one with your picture. RBBB9911Talk 15:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- I've just added a picture of it to Charles Eames. I hadn't realised that there was another article, Charles and Ray Eames. Maybe the two articles need to be merged, but I'm not competent to do that. Maproom (talk) 15:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- .. and the latter article shows two very different chairs. Please feel free to revert my addition. I'm out of here, before I make things any worse. Maproom (talk) 15:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- I see that Charles Eames was split out of Charles and Ray Eames. about a year and a half ago, but oddly does not currently contain a link to the latter article. There is currently nothing in the article about what char is THE Eames chair, it seems that he designed a number of chairs. More sourced info would probably help. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Maproom and DESiegel: I left a note at Talk:Charles Eames#Wrong chair. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
problem with a submission
problem with a submission
Dear all, I am italian and new on english wikipedia. I tried to post just a translation about a italian page (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste_Contemporanea) I need to understand how to publish it also in english.
Thank you in advance
maluto2020 Maluto2020 (talk) 15:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Maluto2020: Have a look at WP:TRANSLATE. Note that the english and italian wikipedia are seperated projects with different rules, so the existence of an article in one language doesn't gurantee that it will be kept in others as well. I dont speak italian, but from what I can guess the italian version lacks reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your anser but I don't understand what is the meeining or lacks of reliable source. I add Cei (The Central European Initiative (CEI) was founded in Budapest on 11 November 1989. It is a regional intergovernmental forum committed to supporting European integration and sustainable development through cooperation between and among its Member States and with the European Union, international and regional organizations as well as with other public or private institutions and non-governmental organisations. While acting as a platform for political dialogue, the CEI has developed a strong operational, result-oriented approach to regional cooperation. It combines multilateral diplomacy and fund, programme and project management as both donor and recipient. The everyday CEI activities are handled by the CEI-Executive Secretariat in Trieste, including the development and implementation of projects.) and also an important link to Gillo Dorfles (Born in Trieste to a Gorizian father of Jewish descent[2] and a Genoese mother, Dorfles graduated in medicine, specializing in psychiatry. He was a professor in aesthetics at the University of Trieste, Milan and Cagliari and, in 1948, established the MAC (Movimento per l'arte concreta) with artists Atanasio Soldati, Galliano Mazzon, Gianni Monnet, and Bruno Munari. His paintings were displayed in two personal exhibitions held in Milan in 1949 and 1950 and also in numerous collective MAC exhibitions in the 1950s. In 1956 Dorfles co-founded the ADI (Associazione per il disegno industriale) an important figure of Trieste. maluto2020 Maluto2020 Thank you for your suggestion.
- Hello, Maluto2020. Draft:Trieste Contemporanea currently cites only one source, the web site of CEI Venice Forum for Contemporary Art Curators. This does not go into any detail on what the Trieste Contemporanea is and does, so it does not constitute significant coverage. In any case, even if it did, it is from an affiliated organization, as I understand it, so it may be a reliable source but it is not an Independent source. The draft should cite several sources that are reliable, independent, and include significant coverage of the Contemporanea, to demonstrate organizational notability. Does that help explain the situation her on en.Wikipedia a bit? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
ARTICLE CREATION
How do I start creating a new article and losting it on Wikipedia? McOREAL (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @McOREAL: See Help:Your first article. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 16:03, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- McOREAL I would advise you that successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice, and if you dive right in without at least a basic understanding of Wikipedia and the process of creating an article, you will set yourself up for disappointment and grief as your work is mercilessly edited and even deleted by others. I don't want you to have bad feelings, so I would strongly advise you to first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, (for weeks if not months) to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's also a good idea to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia.
- If you still want to attempt to create a new article, you should read the page suggested by Ganbaruby and then visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia. This way you find out any problems first. 331dot (talk) 16:16, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
what if my editing is a little bit wrong
Createinspire (talk) 16:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Createinspire Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Honest mistakes or minor errors can easily be corrected by yourself or another editor- and as long as you learn from your mistakes and change going forward, that's fine. 331dot (talk) 16:18, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- will wikipedia charge money i my editing is wrong grammaticaly Createinspire (talk) 16:38, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Createinspire Wikipedia will not charge you money for anything at all. I have moved your question to the section of this page you made earlier; if you have follow up comments, please edit this existing section. If you create a new section, remember to type your question in the larger edit window and not the smaller section header window. 331dot (talk) 16:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- will wikipedia charge money i my editing is wrong grammaticaly Createinspire (talk) 16:38, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Article Thumbnail in Search Results
How can I add or change the photo thumbnail of an article that appears next to its short description in places such as search results in the mobile app? Idell (talk) 16:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Idell: Welcome to the Teahouse! Could you please give an example of an article whose thumbnail you would like to change? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- GoingBatty, Jinnah (film)! Idell (talk) 05:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Idell: I see that Jinnah (film) has had an image in the infobox for over a year, but the iOS mobile app doesn't show a thumbnail in the search results. I tried posting a question on your behalf on #wikimedia-mobile connect but received no response. You could try one of the other contact methods mentioned at Help:Mobile access. GoingBatty (talk) 18:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- GoingBatty, Jinnah (film)! Idell (talk) 05:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Could someone else here help me with this? Idell (talk) 20:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Idell: I don't know how the mobile apps work but it appears you have never edited with them so maybe you just mean the mobile version of the website. It uses mw:Extension:PageImages#Image choice to automatically choose the image. It's possible that non-free images like most film posters will be omitted in search suggestions. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Difference between article accepted from draft and reviewed?
Hi,
I submitted a draft article and it was accepted in mainspace but not marked as reviewed (article Scantrust). However another article that I had submitted as a draft was simultaneously accepted and marked as reviewed by the same reviewer.
It seems that I was under the wrong impression that if I submit an article through the drafting and reviewing process and it gets accepted, then this implicitly means that the article was also reviewed. So I am trying to understand if this is usual, and if accepting an article and reviewing an article 2 separate actions? Many thanks, Factfox (talk) 16:30, 26 June 2020 (UTC) Factfox (talk) 16:30, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Factfox Yes, those are two separate things. The 'reviewed' that you mention refers to marking the page as checked by another editor, this enables search engines to index the article. This is a separate process so that articles directly created by users(and not through Articles for Creation/ the draft process) get checked. 331dot (talk) 16:43, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- 331dot Thank you for the quick and clear response, I appreciate it. Just a follow-up question: since the review process is intended primarily for articles that are directly created by users, do you know if this normal that my article was accepted but not reviewed? Thanks again, Factfox (talk) 17:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- That normal. Not all those reviewing drafts will take the step and mark the new article as 'reviewed', possibly so some other eyes look at it. New page reviewers will do that. 331dot (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note also, not all AFC reviewers necessarily have the WP:NPP permission to do it even if they would if they could. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:36, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you 331dot and Usedtobecool, it's all clear now! Factfox (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Note also, not all AFC reviewers necessarily have the WP:NPP permission to do it even if they would if they could. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:36, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- That normal. Not all those reviewing drafts will take the step and mark the new article as 'reviewed', possibly so some other eyes look at it. New page reviewers will do that. 331dot (talk) 17:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- 331dot Thank you for the quick and clear response, I appreciate it. Just a follow-up question: since the review process is intended primarily for articles that are directly created by users, do you know if this normal that my article was accepted but not reviewed? Thanks again, Factfox (talk) 17:06, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
will my account be deleted after 365 days
Createinspire (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Createinspire Nope, Wikipedia accounts are never deleted. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:47, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- when i created my account it was showing that save my 365 days so will happen after that Createinspire (talk) 16:52, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- That refers to how long you will remain logged in if you check that box, on the 366th day you will just need to log in again. Again, type your question in the larger edit window, please, not the smaller window which is for edit summaries or section headers. If you are using the mobile version in a browser you may find it easier to switch to the desktop version on your phone. 331dot (talk) 16:55, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- when i created my account it was showing that save my 365 days so will happen after that Createinspire (talk) 16:52, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
First article - I'm probably not doing this right!
Hello! I am new here and am grateful that Teahouse is a resource within Wikipedia as it looks as if this is the place I can ask the "stupid questions" I'd been so fearful to ask! I am creating a wikipedia page for a colleague (a university professor and researcher) and I am confused in terms of the conflict of interest. I have somewhat read about the conflict of interest but I am still unsure of how to go about disclosing the COI. I've created the page in my sandbox, but have not yet published as a draft. Is there any guidance you can give on COI; how I should disclose, if I can even create this page or if I should have someone else submit the draft for review? Any guidance you can provide is greatly appreciated. I admit I have read through many, many pages looking for guidance and have fallen defeated and overwhelmed with all of the information provided (no complaints there). I understand from some of the posts I've read that Teahouse cannot provide specific answers, but I will take whatever you all can provide. Thank you so much, in advance. Jessica Washington (talk) 17:04, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Jessica Washington Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You seem to be aware of it but I'll link to the conflict of interest policy just in case. There are templates that can be used to declare a COI, but a simple statement on your user page or user talk page is usually sufficient.
- If you are employed by your colleague, you will need to make the stricter paid editing declaration. It doesn't sound like you are, but I thought I'd mention it.
- You have no edits logged under your account so I assume you have not saved the draft yet. "Publish changes" should be understood to mean "save changes", it does not mean "publish this to the encyclopedia". It used to say "save changes" but was changed to emphasize that all saved edits are visible to the public(even drafts) whether or not the page is an encyclopedia article. I might suggest that you use Articles for Creation to create and submit your draft. 331dot (talk) 17:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
SOS
Hi Nyook that was my kid he was just on my pc and edited the page. 82.26.45.170 (talk) 19:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- Made SOS a new question (?), as it appeared to have nothing to do with Jessica. 82.26.45.170 has made a total of three edits - all today - all vandalism - all reverted. David notMD (talk) 20:27, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- and Nyook was the editor that rolled one of them back. --ColinFine (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
- "Wikipedia:My little brother did it" is an essay that is sometimes worth reading. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:20, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Please help me
I am not very good when it comes to computers. I had a great side bar, if that is what you call it, that shows in basket, trash, sent, all mail, etc. I keep everything there under their names. I don't know how I did it but I was in all mail and somehow deleted absolutely everything that was stored there including my medical charts, home and auto insurance information, etc. My life basically. I must have hit delete somehow and now everything is gone, no conversations left, just the title of the files. I am in a real mess. Does anyone know how to retrieve this information and put it back where it belongs? Please, anyone, help me. Alice 2600:8800:7B00:FF3:9D67:A143:9922:C7AD (talk) 00:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
First check the recycle bin. - than, if that doesn't work, go onto youtube (if you still have it) and type in your problem to get helpful videos. That's all I know.PMurthy1011 (talk) 01:10, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Alice, this help desk is for questions related to editing Wikipedia; for your query, try the computing reference desk. For future reference, this is why you should always make sure to back up vital information. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 01:41, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Nomination for deletion
Hi guys, May I please know how I can nominate an article for deletion?PMurthy1011 (talk) 01:08, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @PNSMurthy: Welcome to the Teahouse! See Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. GoingBatty (talk) 01:38, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Also, how may I create a new sandbox for an article?-because my original one already has one.PMurthy1011 (talk) 01:57, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- I don't quite understand' but if you're wondering how to create a second sandbox, then click on User:PNSMurthy/Sandbox2 and start using it. (If you don't like the address, then change it; but it should be User:PNSMurthy/Something-or-other .) -- Hoary (talk) 02:38, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks man!PNSMurthy (talk) 04:53, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
significance of the Mayan number 13
the revelance of turtles w/ 13 scutes, marsupials w/ 13 tits and the Mayan calender beginning w/ 13 Bakus Bigcocomo (talk) 02:14, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Sup y’all just got an account wanna edit but have no clue about referencing??
Loco j Mazaray (talk) 02:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Then read Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Hoary (talk) 02:33, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Sir I am still a educaing school student at class 9 am i allowed to do editing at this age
Createinspire (talk) 04:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, certainly. You might find, depending on where you are at school, that editing from your school may not be allowed, but we have no age limits that I am aware of. HiLo48 (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Createinspire: I'd recommend that you read Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors, which has some good advice. Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:36, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Creation of Table
Hi fellow Wikipedians,
For creating a table, is there any alternative to html format, like copy & paste ?? Thanks in advance. ANUPAM DUTTA 05:19, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Anupamdutta73 Welcome to Teahouse, i suggest copy paste formats from other articles can help us in learning. For example using this code
- {| class="wikitable" |- style="background:#cfc; text-align:center;" |'''Serial''' |'''Name''' |'''Age''' |'''Residence''' |'''Notes''' |- |Serial 1 |Name 1 |Age 1 |Residence 1 |Notes 1 |}
- Creates
Serial Name Age Residence Notes Serial 1 Name 1 Age 1 Residence 1 Notes 1
- For more you can visit MOS:TABLE . In the above code you can replace things of head in """ commas and Content with your thing. Further, you can expand it by replacing the |} with |-. But don't forget to end it with |}. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️) 06:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Anupamdutta73 If your table is not very complicated, VisualEditor will create one for you. Simply go to Insert > Table and a basic table will be inserted. The table can be customized with the "Properties" button beneath it. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 14:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Pls tell how to insert signature template
INSTALKER (talk) 06:20, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Dear @INSTALKER, you just have to add 4(four) tilde sign [ANUPAM DUTTA 06:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC)] at the very end after a blank space and voila you are done... Cheers ANUPAM DUTTA 06:32, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- INSTALKER Welcome to Teahouse, if you are talking about userpage signature, then you just have to put
~~~~
at last of your message here, and it creates a signature like mine at last of my reply. If you are talking about signature template in a biography article, then see Template:Bio . — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️) 07:16, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- If you want to edit your signature you can visit Preferences setting and change it there. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)
Links in blue
If you check the article 2019–20 Nigeria Professional Football League for instance, you'll find out that at the topscorers list, only two of the players there are actually articles on Wikipedia, whereas all of the players there are written in blue but when you click on them, you'll find out they are all blank articles, this is the third time I'll be seeing something like this on Wikipedia recently.
The other players which aren't articles on Wikipedia are supposed to be in red but they're written in blue, why?
Even my user page is in blue, while there's no user page on Wikipedia with the name Josedimaria237,it used to be in red. Josedimaria237 (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hi Josedimaria237. It's a recent error which only affects the mobile version of Wikipedia. The "Desktop" link at the bottom gives correct red links. It has been reported at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Red links are shown as blue in mobile version and phab:T256503. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:43, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Two writers, one publication?
Hi,
I am currently gathering my sources for an article I hope to write for Wikipedia, I have several other sources, however I have noticed that two writers who write for the same publication (the publication is already seen as a reliable source by Wikipedia- other articles use the publication as a source) have published articles on the subject of the article, does Wikipedia see this as ok? I just don't want my article to be shut down due to this one thing. BekoGloben (talk) 12:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- I find this all quite confusing. What is the subject of the article you hope to write? What is the name of the publication you refer to? What are the two articles you mention? If you want to write an article on Mayomyzon pieckoensis, and two people have already written about it in the Journal of Ichthyology, there should be no problem at all. But the lack of details in your question makes me suspect that it's more complicated than that. Maproom (talk) 13:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Disambig and See Also policy
Are there any specific policies regarding disambiguation page links in see also sections? I couldn’t find any at WP:MOS. Firestarforever (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- It's hard to imagine why you'd ever want to link to a disambiguation page in a "See also" section. But I suppose there might be a reason. Maproom (talk) 13:07, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Firestarforever: MOS:SEEALSO actually prohibits disambiguation page links in the see also section. ◢ Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 14:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Draft Shamsher Singh (Journalist)
Hello! I want to get a feedback on the article and some suggestions to improve it. If you think that no improvements are required then please help me by Approving the article. It has all references and is properly linked to other Wiki pages. SinghPurnima72 (talk) 13:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC) SinghPurnima72 (talk) 13:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Teahouse editors are not draft reviewers. Asking for a review here does not get you a review. Draft:Shamsher Singh (journalist) was submitted 13 days ago. As clearly stated at the top of the review template, reviewing may take six weeks or more. David notMD (talk) 13:39, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- While waiting, the section Early life needs references, as does his being with Asian Age. David notMD (talk) 13:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
How would you add a monthly page to a dynamic list?
Hello, I want to add to List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States; the list is organized into monthly lists, i.e. List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, May 2020 how would I go about adding a month to the dynamic list? Like a page for January or a page for July? Do I just create a page with that name format and the dynamic list will automatically know it's there? Eric.c.zhang (talk) 14:18, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Eric.c.zhang, and welcome to the Teahouse. No there is nothing automatic here. Indeed the list isn't really "dynamic" in any meaningful sense. It is just split up into sub-lists by month. To add a new month, one would ahve to create the new list article, and then edit the table in the overall list to add a link to the new page. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:16, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Question about editing disputes
Hi there,
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question. I've been editing wikipedia for years, mostly small edits and copy edits, but I've never been involved in a dispute. I'm aware of the 3 revert rule and the general guideline to try to resolve disputes using talk pages rather than edit warring.
I guess I'm looking for some general advice on how to approach another editor who has made a large number of very poorly written and badly sourced contributions to otherwise high quality articles. Some of the additions were factually correct, new info, from good sources, but out of place or lacked context. Others were explicitly incorrect or came from random websites that could not be construed as reliable. I tried reverting and explaining my rational on the talk page, but the other editor just reverted everything back. I know many high quality articles have one or a few editors who actively patrol them. I'm not sure if I should wait for one of them to step in here, or what the next step is. Any tips?
P.S. As an example, one source cited was www.ecigarette-politics.com, which notes on its about page "I am not sympathetic to any restrictions on EV-related products of any type, except quality controls as existing for example in normal EU consumer product regulations; nor to EV businesses or groups who support any such restrictions. E-Cigarette regulations cost lives." This is very clearly an advocacy organization with an obvious slant, and as such I don't think it could ever be considered a reliable source of info (except about itself). Wallnot (talk) 15:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Courtesy: From looking at your contributions, the articles in question appear to be Nicotine, Nicotine dependence and Cannabis (drug), and the editor in question User talk:Machinexa. You have correctly started discussions on the appropriate talk pages of those articles, and left messages on the talk page of Machinexa. If this cannot be resolved by those methods, come back to Teahouse and ask for what next steps are. David notMD (talk) 17:03, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- In reviewing the changes to Nicotine and Nicotine dependence by Machinexa, I came to the conclusion that many/all of the references provided in support of the text changes did not meet WP:MEDRS, so I reverted the article to a point before Machinexa's first edit. David notMD (talk) 17:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, Thanks so much for your help with this. In the future, if another editor is not willing to try to come to a consensus via discussion on the talk page, where should I go from there? Wallnot (talk) 17:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, Wallnot. Dispute resolution should answer your question. --ColinFine (talk) 19:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, Thanks so much for your help with this. In the future, if another editor is not willing to try to come to a consensus via discussion on the talk page, where should I go from there? Wallnot (talk) 17:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
My History before I established a User page
Hi There. I had been contributing for several years as franburke2 before recently setting up a User page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Franburke2 but none of my prior edits are recorded - can they be added or have they disappeared (they used to be visible)? Thanks. Franburke2 (talk) 16:10, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Franburke2: I can see your previous edits at Special:Contributions/Franburke2. Can you not? Deor (talk) 16:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Franburke2: I can also see them. TheAwesomeHwyh 16:44, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Franburke2: Might this just be a misunderstanding? Your prior edits are called "contributions", and may be viewed per the link provided by Deor. Perhaps you were looking at your user page, and clicked on "History" from there. That would display only those edits made to the user page. --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 17:56, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Furries
Hi,im a furry,im just curious if furries are allowed to edit Wikipedia... •-• i know this is a stupid queston...*inches away* Outcastcat (talk) 18:33, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Outcastcat: Welcome to Wikipedia. We don't care what your hobbies are. Anyone may edit Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 18:34, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- If you are sharing a keyboard, remember to vacuum loose hairs when you are done. And perhaps visit Furry fandom. David notMD (talk) 21:17, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
What is WP:merds? I m not understandiing it
WP:merds says something related to medicine shouldn't be included. I don't know what. Can someone show with exampe how merd.applies? Machinexa (talk) 18:43, 27 June 2020 (UTC) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDRS
- @Machinexa: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see some of your recent edits to the Nicotine article were reverted by David notMD, who stated that the references do not meet WP:MEDRS. As part of the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, the best place to start the discussion would be the article talk page: Talk:Nicotine. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Machinexa MEDRS is short for Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). It specifies the required source quali8ty for medical information in Wikipedia articles. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- For example, I reverted your additions to the cannabis article because the text you added was supported by refs that were in vitro work, animal studies or individual human trials. David notMD (talk) 20:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- Hello, Machinexa MEDRS is short for Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). It specifies the required source quali8ty for medical information in Wikipedia articles. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
Agege Kingdom was founded by Olabua Ohunfa in 15th centuries.
Who is the founder of Agege [founder of Agege Kingdom] Atlando (talk) 19:10, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Atlando: Welcome to the Teahouse! This is a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. If the Agege article doesn't give you what you're looking for, you might want to try the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 19:14, 27 June 2020 (UTC)