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:::::Hi editor [[User:Hoary|Hoary]], I would say a mix of not being a native English speaker and the fact that there are other editors in said Talk Page pushing for the documentation of what these multiple RS' state. If you look through the Talk Page, you will easily find other editors on the same vein. If you would prefer me to tag them here, and it is allowed, let me know. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/108.34.231.7|108.34.231.7]] ([[User talk:108.34.231.7|talk]]) 06:03, 18 April 2022 (UTC) |
:::::Hi editor [[User:Hoary|Hoary]], I would say a mix of not being a native English speaker and the fact that there are other editors in said Talk Page pushing for the documentation of what these multiple RS' state. If you look through the Talk Page, you will easily find other editors on the same vein. If you would prefer me to tag them here, and it is allowed, let me know. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/108.34.231.7|108.34.231.7]] ([[User talk:108.34.231.7|talk]]) 06:03, 18 April 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::IP editor, Hoary asks a very relevant question. Is your use of "we" an indication that you are part of a multi-person effort to smear Cullors here on Wikipedia? If that is the case, please consider yourself informed that coordinated defamatory editing is forbidden and may well lead to blocks. This is not the venue to discuss in detail what reliable sources say about Cullors. There are many forms of [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] available to you short of escalation to this noticeboard. When you come here, your own behavior will come under scrutiny. So, again, I advise you to follow [[WP:BLP]] policy scrupulously, and be ''very'' cautious about inserting any unproven allegations into a biography of a living person. Comments about unproven allegations by reliable sources who may have "report on gossip and innuendo" as parts of their business models do not necessarily justify the inclusion of innuendo into biographies in this encyclopedia. Our inclusions standards are deliberately ''much'' more conservative than that. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC) |
::::::IP editor, Hoary asks a very relevant question. Is your use of "we" an indication that you are part of a multi-person effort to smear Cullors here on Wikipedia? If that is the case, please consider yourself informed that coordinated defamatory editing is forbidden and may well lead to blocks. This is not the venue to discuss in detail what reliable sources say about Cullors. There are many forms of [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] available to you short of escalation to this noticeboard. When you come here, your own behavior will come under scrutiny. So, again, I advise you to follow [[WP:BLP]] policy scrupulously, and be ''very'' cautious about inserting any unproven allegations into a biography of a living person. Comments about unproven allegations by reliable sources who may have "report on gossip and innuendo" as parts of their business models do not necessarily justify the inclusion of innuendo into biographies in this encyclopedia. Our inclusions standards are deliberately ''much'' more conservative than that. [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]] ([[User talk:Cullen328|talk]]) 06:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::Hi Editor [[User:Cullen328|Cullen328]], I now understand after you explained it. The former editor's manner seemed very aggressive. I originally meant me and the other editors in the Talk Page who have espoused for inclusion of a neutral sentence or two from a RS. As an example, but won't be tagging this editor here to avoid canvassing, editor MrPorpoise. Please check his many messages in the same Talk Page and how the same two editors are engaging in [[WP:TAGTEAM]]. If you review these editor's Talk Pages you would see they tend to edit articles together. Is there any way to report this? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/108.34.231.7|108.34.231.7]] ([[User talk:108.34.231.7|talk]]) 01:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC) |
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User name and display name.
Somehow my display turned out as 1st letter capital. How can I change it to have proper Case?
Thanks! Dhavalpawar (talk) 22:24, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- MediaWiki automatically capitalises the first letter of every username. This is a technical limitation. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 22:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Dhavalpawar, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, what Jéské Couriano is apt, the first letter is indeed always automatically made to be capitalized, we are sorry if this makes you feel bad, but this is beyond our control. Celestina007 (talk) 22:34, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Dhavalpawar. You can create a custom signature that displays your username in all lower case if you want. Please see Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature for details. Cullen328 (talk) 00:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
- You can also use the DISPLAYNAME magic word. This is what I do on my user page. As for usernames, that's not possible. Cool guy (talk • contribs) • he/they 18:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Cranloa12n, your user page has "Displaytitle", not "Displayname". Does the difference matter? And you have customized your sig too, it looks like. Right? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:06, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Dhavalpawar: Hi. magic word is a bit unnecessary. Like Cullen328 suggested above, customising the signaature is better. I customised my signature as soon as I found out about it. My signature also has been always lowercase, my current signature is very simplistic though. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:04, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Search history includes internet searches
My nephew did some searching he should not have done online, and much to my dismay, it seems to be permanently stored in my Wikipedia search history. Can anyone help me delete the search history on Wikipedia? I would be most grateful. Navyvet1963 (talk) 06:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello,
- Have you tried clearing your cookies and cache? Do keep in mind that this does log you out of most sites. Cheers, Heart (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Navyvet1963. Did you allow your nephew to log in under your account? If so, you made a major error because accounts are for one person only, cannot be shared, and each account holder is responsible to use secure passwords. I have been married for over 40 years and my wife knows my passwords to many websites. But she has no idea of my Wikipedia password. As for the notion of a "search history", that does not exist on Wikipedia although it may exist on your browser. Wikipedia keeps track of every edit that an account makes. It does not keep track of the articles that anybody searches for and reads. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. My nephew wasn't on Wikipedia, but things he searched showed up on my Wikipedia search. I am going to delete cookies to see if that helps. I appreciate your reply. Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Clearing cookies now. Thank you! Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Navyvet1963. Did you allow your nephew to log in under your account? If so, you made a major error because accounts are for one person only, cannot be shared, and each account holder is responsible to use secure passwords. I have been married for over 40 years and my wife knows my passwords to many websites. But she has no idea of my Wikipedia password. As for the notion of a "search history", that does not exist on Wikipedia although it may exist on your browser. Wikipedia keeps track of every edit that an account makes. It does not keep track of the articles that anybody searches for and reads. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hi Navyvet1963. I don't think the situation you're describing is possible since I don't think there's any connection to your what you search for on Wikipedia and what you search for using external search engines. Perhaps, you mean that your nephew somehow gained access to your Wikipedia account and used it to make some (inappropriate) edits? If that's the case, then that is certainly a serious problem which might lead to your account being blocked indefinitely. Account passwords aren't supposed to be shared among different people and it's the responsibility of the user who creates the account to make sure that doesn't happen. There's really no way to delete an account's contributions history since such a record is required for Wikipedia's licensing purposes; so, unfortunately the best that you can do is to do your uptmost to make sure that your nephew doesn't gain access to your account again. The only edit you've made so far with this "Navyvet1963" account has been your post here at the Teahouse; so, I guess this account would be considered "clean" so to speak. Assuming it was another Wikipedia account that your nephew accessed, you may have no choice other than to abandon that account and either stick with this one or create another account to use for your Wikipedia editing. The account your nephew was using (if that's what happened) could most likely be locked by an adminsitrator so that nobody can use it. You could then add a link to your old account to the user page of your new account so that other can see the edits you made with the abandoned account. I'm not an administrator, but there are many Teahouse hosts who are and perhaps one of them will be better explain what your options in a case like this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I think what Navyvet1963 may be referring to are the items that appear in the dropdown when one clicks in the Wikipedia search box. These are stored in your browser, so deleting your cookies should get rid of them. (You will then need to log in again.) It's good practice to delete your cookies from time to time.--Shantavira|feed me 08:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:06, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- You are so right, and I appreciate your help. Thank you. Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:06, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
How to submit this for publication? Ieromaxos (talk) 10:23, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ieromaxos Draft:Georgios Mikellides has been submitted to AfC for review. There is a backlog of drafts submitted. The system is not a queue, so a Reviewer could select your draft in the coming days, weeks, or months. David notMD (talk) 11:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- In looking at the history of the draft, it has been declined several times in the past. These Declined notifications must remain with the draft. I have restored those. The continuing reason for the draft being declined is that the great majority of the text and referencing is about his publications, presentations, panel discussions, etc. What is missing is what people not connected to him have published about him. David notMD (talk) 11:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- The draft appears to be a translation from an existing article at Greek Wikipedia. Each country's Wikipedia has different standards for tone and referencing, so what is accepted in Greek does not necessarrily apply to English. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- If it's a translation, it must be marked as such (see Help:Translation). This is not only a matter of good manners and good sourcing; it's a matter of conforming with WP's own copyright, that text can be used freely but must be attributed. Ieromaxos, please check the help on translation linked above, and make sure that you're conforming with requirements. Good luck with the article. Elemimele (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- thank you, for this actually , it was written in English first and the English text was used as a basis to be translated in Greek, so the original version is in English, in the texts which has been referenced a lot is what the media used as information coming from dr mikellides, so in a way, see reference number 2 for e.g is what the cyprus mail reporter has said about him Ieromaxos (talk) 14:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @David notMD, @Ieromaxos... the phrasing sure sounds like a translation. Several sentences are not grammatically correct. If I had time, I would do some copyediting. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- If it's a translation, it must be marked as such (see Help:Translation). This is not only a matter of good manners and good sourcing; it's a matter of conforming with WP's own copyright, that text can be used freely but must be attributed. Ieromaxos, please check the help on translation linked above, and make sure that you're conforming with requirements. Good luck with the article. Elemimele (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- The draft appears to be a translation from an existing article at Greek Wikipedia. Each country's Wikipedia has different standards for tone and referencing, so what is accepted in Greek does not necessarrily apply to English. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- In looking at the history of the draft, it has been declined several times in the past. These Declined notifications must remain with the draft. I have restored those. The continuing reason for the draft being declined is that the great majority of the text and referencing is about his publications, presentations, panel discussions, etc. What is missing is what people not connected to him have published about him. David notMD (talk) 11:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Ieromaxos Hi there! I see you uploaded the photo of Mikellides as your own work. What is your relationship with Mikellides? GoingBatty (talk) 06:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
For a start, delete all mention and referencing to talks he has given, interviews, conference he has spoken at, panel discussions, etc., etc. All that is inconsequential. David notMD (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- is this subjective to each reviewer for some it could be ok and for some not? I confused, :) Ieromaxos (talk) 15:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ieromaxos I am not a reviewer. My advice is based on my understanding of what can establish notability and what does not. A Wikipedia article is not a presentation of everything that is in a person's CV. David notMD (talk) 19:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
What defines 'constructive'?
My edits to the Mark Crispin Miller page were undone because they were said to not be 'constructive'? Says who? And why? All I did was remove the word 'disgraced' from a description of Andy Wakefield. I know Andy and the word disgraced doesn't describe how he feels about the incidents described in the article about Miller. 2600:1700:D470:C940:FD23:3295:1148:CDF4 (talk) 16:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Constructive: is it useful to our readers? If not, it's probably not constructive. CUPIDICAE💕 16:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- We can't base edits on your personal knowledge, as that is impossible to verify. Edits must be supported with published independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 16:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- COI issues aside, the word "disgraced" is a bit too subjective for my taste. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps "discredited" would be a better word, which is the word used in the lead of Andrew Wakefield. Wakefield's personal feelings about the matter are not relevant. What matters is what reliable, independent sources say about Wakefield, and they overwhelmingly describe him as discredited and disgraced. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- That's a smart alternative word choice, in my opinion. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps "discredited" would be a better word, which is the word used in the lead of Andrew Wakefield. Wakefield's personal feelings about the matter are not relevant. What matters is what reliable, independent sources say about Wakefield, and they overwhelmingly describe him as discredited and disgraced. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- The main reason I reverted the edits was because of the removal of sourced content. See the diff >>> Ingenuity.talk(); 17:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- "the word disgraced doesn't describe how he feels about the incidents". Maybe not. But it is how reliable published sources describe Wakefield. Or, if you prefer, “dishonest,” “unethical,” and “callous".[1] Maproom (talk) 06:14, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- ^ Deer B (2011). "Wakefield's article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent". The BMJ. 342: c5347. doi:10.1136/bmj.c5347. PMID 21209059.
- I believe "disgraced" is a "peacock word" and should be avoided altogether. – 69.112.128.218 (talk) 13:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- It is, almost by definition, someone's assessment. It might be the assessment of some--for better or for worse--respected and trusted source. It might even be a widely held assessment. But too often, even in those--for better or for worse--respected and trusted sources, the term seems to be used to "inform" all of the readers that we all are indeed thinking as the source has decided we should be thinking. Yes, I'm all for keeping it out--or at least qualifying it as someone's opinion. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Bola Ahmed Tinubu Update
Hello I want to make an update to the Bola Ahmed Tinubu Wikipedia Profile, I noticed an anomaly in the Place of Birth. In the Early life section the state is Osun but in the personal details section. the state is Lagos(which is most plausible). Should i make the change SchrodingersC (talk) 19:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't see that either place has an associated citation to allow readers to verify the information. This is against policy for biographies of living people. You would be best to raise the issue at Talk:Bola Tinubu and/or try to find a reliable source for his birth place. Note that this article has been repeatedly vandalised regarding his birthdate/age, so beware that this may also be true for his birth place. Thanks for trying to improve the article, SchrodingersC. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull I will do just that thanks. The birth date age argument is ridiculous by the way... it is more of a political propaganda in Nigeria SchrodingersC (talk) 20:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @SchrodingersC: Looking at the the associated Wikidata item, it says he was born in the Benin Republic but that has a "this statement has potential issues" tag. It would be great if you could sort it all out properly with sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- SchrodingersC, Hello, and welcome, I echo Michael D. Turnbull very loudly, my very candid advice is not to adjust anything pertaining to his age, place of birth, Infact not touching the article altogether except a consensus is agreed at the TP of the article. The aforementioned is causing a major crisis in the political sector in Nigeria. Celestina007 (talk) 17:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @SchrodingersC: Looking at the the associated Wikidata item, it says he was born in the Benin Republic but that has a "this statement has potential issues" tag. It would be great if you could sort it all out properly with sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull I will do just that thanks. The birth date age argument is ridiculous by the way... it is more of a political propaganda in Nigeria SchrodingersC (talk) 20:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
How to make a minor edit?
Hello!How do you make a minor edit? When I go to the edit summary box, it doesn't have a checkbox for "Minor edit". TeddyBearRocker123 chat contribs 20:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello TeddyBearRocker123! Were you definitely signed in when you were trying to make the minor edit? Because you cannot tag an edit as minor if you are not signed in, probably intended to cut down fly by night vandals trying to sneak an edit in under the minor flag. If you are signed in, under "Edit summary" there should be written "This is a minor edit" with a tick box. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- But be aware that "minor" here has a special meaning. It means something that cannot possibly in any way be construed to be controversial, something that even the most extreme of editors would see as obviously sensible (for example the correction of an obvious typo). It doesn't just mean "small". I made that mistake several times when I first started editing, and still feel guilty! If in doubt, don't declare the edit to be minor. Elemimele (talk) 21:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @LooksGreatInATurtleNeck: I don't see the box under the edit summary. It might be something to do with my preferences though, so I'm going to try that. @Elemimele: Thanks for the advice! I will make sure to apply it in the future.
- But be aware that "minor" here has a special meaning. It means something that cannot possibly in any way be construed to be controversial, something that even the most extreme of editors would see as obviously sensible (for example the correction of an obvious typo). It doesn't just mean "small". I made that mistake several times when I first started editing, and still feel guilty! If in doubt, don't declare the edit to be minor. Elemimele (talk) 21:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
TeddyBearRocker123 chat contribs 01:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TeddyBearRocker123: what device/browser are you using? The minor option is usually not available in mobile view. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Usernamekiran: I'm using a mobile device, so that's probably why.
- @TeddyBearRocker123: what device/browser are you using? The minor option is usually not available in mobile view. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
TeddyBearRocker123 chat contribs 20:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TeddyBearRocker123: you can get desktop either though browser's option, or at the bottom of wikipedia's page. Also, I think you are pressing enter key after your comment, and before your signature. Thats breaking the ping, as well as the indention of the conversation. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
@Usernamekiran: Thanks for the tip! Now I can make a minor edit. Also, I'm not breaking on the signature; I just realized that's been happening. I'm gonna fix it. -TeddyBearRocker123 (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC) 22:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Vector 2022 on mobile
Do you know how to use Vector 2022 on mobile but it gets optimize on my screen so the letters aren't small. THE Pizzaplayer!TALK TO MEE!! contribs 20:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Pizzaplayer219: As far as I know, you can't use Vector on mobile. However, if you go to Settings,you can adjust the font size, as well as turn on "Advanced Mode" which you may or may not want. Advanced Mode takes off certain limitations a mobile device would have without advanced mode.
TeddyBearRocker123 chat contribs 15:05, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Why
What does contributing That guy in the corner of the room (talk) 01:18, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, That guy in the corner of the room. You have to do your best to make sense if you want to get an answer that makes sense. So far, you seem to be speaking nonsense, which is unproductive. Cullen328 (talk)
- First, Welcome to Wikipedia. Teahouse is a place where experienced editors will answer questions about how to edit.Looks like you started to pose a question, then hit Publish changes and never came back to finish. Second, Wikipedia is NOT a place to chat with other editors. Your one word postings ("Hi") on several editors' Talk pages have been deleted. David notMD (talk) 12:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- That guy in the corner of the room, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I see you have gotten responses from Cullen328, & David notMD, who make up two of four leadership figures here at the Teahouse (including Nick Moyes & 331dot), It seems you have made them irate which is very much unusual, I haven’t seen anything yet but could you read WP:CTW, WP:GETTINGSTARTED & WP:TUTORIAL before making any further edits? Celestina007 (talk) 17:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ok That guy in the corner of the room (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Fwi: User:That guy in the corner of the room has been indef'd for WP:NOTHERE --Isro! chatter 18:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
How do I deal with large-scale POV issues?
Hi, not reporting anybody in particular, just want to know what I should do to stop it. I've noticed an editor violating NPOV and creating articles with obvious POV slants, what should I do? BurritoQuesadilla (talk) 05:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, BurritoQuesadilla. Check out Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard, which is the proper place to file this kind of report. Cullen328 (talk) 06:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- In addition to what my colleague told you, it is imperative to tell POV from WP:BALANCE it isn’t impossible that the hypothetical editor in question is merely trying to "balance up" an article, if you are very sure it is POV you are dealing with, then yes, please go to WP:RFN. Celestina007 (talk) 16:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks @Celestina007@Cullen328. I am certain that it is not a case of balancing as the editor in question was creating new articles with POV issues. I'll lodge a report at the NPOV noticeboard. BurritoQuesadilla (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- In addition to what my colleague told you, it is imperative to tell POV from WP:BALANCE it isn’t impossible that the hypothetical editor in question is merely trying to "balance up" an article, if you are very sure it is POV you are dealing with, then yes, please go to WP:RFN. Celestina007 (talk) 16:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Alright then, feel free to keep asking questions here. Celestina007 (talk) 18:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Articles
Hi Wikipedia family. How can I add a club uniform to a template in an article about football clubs on Wikipedia? Thanks Good work — Preceding unsigned comment added by EVRRVE. (talk • contribs) 06:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- EVRRVE., I find to my surprise that uniforms are programmable; I mean, they can be (and usually/always are) specified in text (using for example colors that themselves are specified in hexadecimal values of red, green, blue) as values for a number of attributes within Template:Infobox football club, which explains what to do. I notice that you're a newish editor; if you're in an ambitious mood, then you're welcome to try all this, but I can't really recommend it: it's probably better for you to start with more humdrum uses of templates and infoboxes; and when you're used to these (which shouldn't take you long), then tackle the specification of club uniforms. -- Hoary (talk) 09:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
London Article
Hello! I am a relatively new editor on Wikipedia who would like to work hard to see the London article finally graded as a featured article. However, I am not sure what to work on. I have looked in the article milestones but this article was last assessed in 2008 and I am guessing a lot has changed on the article since then. Should I put it forward for FA review again or is that not the correct route? Thanks for your time Kabiryani (talk) 09:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Kabiryani You can nominate it for FA review. However it can be a fairly arduous process and you as the proposer will be expected to do most of the work. It's a large complex article so you'd better have lots of free time. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Dodger67 I am hoping to re-invigorate WikiProject London to assist me with this task but I will definitely be working hard! Thanks for the help. Kabiryani (talk) 12:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- London has had literally thousands of edits since the last failed attempt at raising it to FA, so worth a consideration. I suggest you look at Talk Archives 4 and 5 to see comments made when it was being raised to Good Article and last considered for Featured Article. I suggest that before nominating for FA you do a lot of grunt work, including checking every reference, copyediting, deleting trivial content even if referenced, etc. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- I looked at articles about major cities around the world. None currently FA!! Several are GA. Many are B. There is a pattern of city articles being nominated for GA or FA and failing more than once, or even being listed and then delisted. Most are varying degrees of locked, but even with restrictions, there is such a high frequency of edits that can cumulatively cause the articles to degrade in quality, hence delistings. David notMD (talk) 13:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, I plan to follow the WikiProject Cities guidelines to clear up any obvious problems! I believe Washington DC is a FA but I haven't come across any others. If this article reaches FA status, which I believe should not be too hard due to major contributions back in Wikipedia's golden age, I will keenly watch over the article. Perhaps I will have rollback rights by then! Kabiryani (talk) 14:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- You are correct - Washington, D.C. became FA in 2008. It has had 5,000 edits since then - one wonders if it should be reassessed. David notMD (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Isn't there a reassessment system on Wikipedia? After all, featured articles are more likely to be popular articles and are thus more likely to be vandalized. Kabiryani (talk) 16:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- FAs are often locked against vandalism by IPs and new accounts, and have Watchers that will revert the worst of errant edits, but that does not prevent good faith edits degrading quality over time. Every so often GAs and FAs need to be sent to review. Which can be abused. Barak Obama became a FA in 2004, survived eleven (!!!) FA reviews before being demoted at the twelfth. So, currently not FA or GA. David notMD (talk) 19:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Isn't there a reassessment system on Wikipedia? After all, featured articles are more likely to be popular articles and are thus more likely to be vandalized. Kabiryani (talk) 16:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- You are correct - Washington, D.C. became FA in 2008. It has had 5,000 edits since then - one wonders if it should be reassessed. David notMD (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- London has had literally thousands of edits since the last failed attempt at raising it to FA, so worth a consideration. I suggest you look at Talk Archives 4 and 5 to see comments made when it was being raised to Good Article and last considered for Featured Article. I suggest that before nominating for FA you do a lot of grunt work, including checking every reference, copyediting, deleting trivial content even if referenced, etc. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Dodger67 I am hoping to re-invigorate WikiProject London to assist me with this task but I will definitely be working hard! Thanks for the help. Kabiryani (talk) 12:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Articles Titles in a Journal: Quotations Needed?
Recently I came across this Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_practice In the References, I noticed the some of the article titles were in quotations, and some were not. (A few book titles even seemed to have double quotations).
What is the correct format for article titles? (I know book titles do not require quotations, but am less certain about article titles.) TNewfields (talk) 09:54, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @TNewfields It seems to me the article is (somewhat inconsistently) using APA style citations. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Articles about non-Western medical professionals a complete mess compared to Western counterparts
As a fourth year medical student I find a troubling discrepancy of quality between Wikipedia articles of Western and non-Western medical professionals. Is there any ongoing collective initiative to address this issue? Every second or third article about non-Western subjects seem to be a complete mess, significantly smaller content-wise and slapped with years long unresolved tags while their Western counterparts are maintained in proper order. Is there any reason why Wikipedia editors seemingly opt to prioritize one over the other? Toxitrophic (talk) 11:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Toxitrophic See WP:Systemic bias the English Wikipedia is mostly edited by westerners, specifically Americans, British, Australians, Canadians and other Europeans. There are a significant number of South Asian contributors, but nowhere near enough to balance the overwelming reliance on Western English language sources. I'd suggest you raise this issue at WT:WikiProject Medicine as that's where the editors interested in medicine co-ordinate their efforts. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hi Toxitrophic. Since users are WP:VOLUNTEERs, they’re free to work on whatever articles they want for the most part. It’s possible that articles about Western medical practitioners are easier to find sources for and thus easier to try and improve than perhaps their non-Western counterparts. There could also be other reasons as explained in WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS. You are of course free to try and improve such articles yourself, but maybe try discussing your concerns at a place like WP:MEDICINE or at other relevant WikiProjects. You might find users who would be willing to help you out. Please also remember that English Wikipedia is only one of many Wikipedias, and it’s possible that some of people you’re referring to have more developed articles on some other language Wikipedia. If they do, then that could provide some ideas on how to improve their articles on English Wikipedia. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- My bad Toxitrophic. I wasn’t intentionally trying to basically repeat what Dodger67 posted. We were both responding at the same time which caused an edit conflict, and I didn’t catch that I was being fairly redundant until after I clicked “Publish changes”.— Marchjuly (talk) 11:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
What makes a piece of Media notable enough to put in an "In other media" section
I added Ari Folman's film the Congress which references the book The Age of Spiritual Machines to the "In other media" page of the latter. I cited the film's script which mentions the book by name. It was removed because apparently only a secondary source means something is notable enough to add it to the "In other media section." I have seen countless articles where the "In other media" or "In popular culture" section cites only primary sources. Is there anywhere where the rules regarding this are written down or is someone just being overzealous here? HaileJones (talk) 12:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- HaileJones, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, It would be a great idea if you attached diffs. Furthermore please always assume good faith, "or is someone just being overzealous here?" isn’t a kind statement. To answer your question, it is indeed important to use secondary reliable sources to substantiate any statement you put on the English Wikipedia, if or not you have observed others doing so is immaterial, what matters is you as an editor doing the right thing. Furthermore sometimes not every detail is needed in an article. Celestina007 (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, what do you mean by diffs? HaileJones (talk) 04:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- @HaileJones See Help:Diff. GoingBatty (talk) 06:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, what do you mean by diffs? HaileJones (talk) 04:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Videogame article image
A bit ago I asked here about uploading a copyrighted image for an article of a videogame, and was told it's allowed as long as the article is in the mainspace (ie, not draft). Said article is now in mainspace, I've gone to upload the image on wikipedia/wikicommons but both times it's done a "make sure you're only uploading this if it's your own work!" of course, is it not my own work, so what is the process for uploading this type of image? -- NotCharizard 🗨 14:07, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Update: I figured it out! Sorry all. -- NotCharizard 🗨 14:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
how can i improve this article so that it can be submitted
Draft:Ishaan Barde Yami tan (talk) 17:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Yami tan: Hello. According to the article, Ishsaan Barde's father's name is Kuunal Barde. Then how come he is mentioned as "Ishaan Sheth Barde" in the article? —usernamekiran (talk) 20:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Yami tan, and welcome to the Teahouse. The main answer to how to improve the article is to find some sources each of which is all three of reliably published, wholly independent of Barde, and contains significant coverage of him. Your first reference, to linkedin, is neither reliable nor independent: it is almost never appropriate to cite linkedin in a Wikipedia article. The next three sources are essentially the same article (so it is dishonest to cite them separately), that does not contain significant coverage of Barde, and so does not contribute to establishing notability. After that I got fed up and didn't look at any more sources. Please read verifiability and your first article. ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Yami tan, where did you get the information that's in the draft? As the comments in the draft say, info in the draft must be referenced with inline citations. The blue text in those comments are links to more information which should answer your question. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:04, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah ... our wires crossed, abd my answer was basically redundant... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- The rest of the refs are just more go-cart race results, with name-mentions of Barde participating. Clearly not Wikipedia notable. David notMD (talk) 02:12, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah ... our wires crossed, abd my answer was basically redundant... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Is Joab Hoisington's Wikipedia page good enough to remove the flag-like messages on it
Some of this article's listed sources may not be reliable.
This biographical article related to the United States military is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by . Arfy4545 (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Arfy4545: The tags should remain. Joab Hoisington Is still a stub and it is referencing unreliable sources such as ancestry.com and FamilySearch. RudolfRed (talk) 21:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
Can I and should I revert a pending change edit?
For example, if I see an edit done by a non-confirmed user that is clearly vandalism on a page with pending protection, can I and should I revert it? ClydeFranklin (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ClydeFranklin: Welcome and thanks for wanting to fight vandalism. If I understand WP:PC correctly, only editors with the pending changes reviewer right can accept or decline pending changes. The backlog at Special:PendingChanges is short, so a reviewer will get it to soon. RudolfRed (talk) 21:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ClydeFranklin: Hello! The above is definitely true, but do note that pending changes protection doesn't stop you from reverting on a page. If the vandalism hasn't been accepted yet, your revert will just be the newest edit in the pending changes queue and a reviewer will accept it. If the vandalism is already on the page, same applies and you can revert; a reviewer will get to it shortly after. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 22:06, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
curtiss c 46
How do I add a photo of this plane in Vietnam with a comment Charromy (talk) 00:40, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Charromy If it is a photo you took yourself, then try Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:16, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Best skin for a screen reader user
Hi everyone, I am completely blind and use a screen reader. While this site is already useable for me, I wanted to learn if any specific skin plays nicer with screen readers than the others, or ones I should avoid. I'm currently using MonoBook, as it seems to be the most compatibility focused. To be clear (and not to insult anyone's intelligence!) this is not a question about font or contrast, but about the best skin to use for this kind of assistive tech. Thanks HueAskew (talk) 02:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Don't mind me, I'm just pinging Graham87, who I know has experience with using screen readers on this site. 97.113.171.180 (talk) 02:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Source List (asking again)
I have asked this but the answers were not what I expected. I saw a list of sources for each topic but I do not know where they are located. Oixyplanet (talk) 02:34, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Oixyplanet. You need to be more specific with your questions. List of sources for which topic? How can we help you if you do not identify the topic or the specific article? How can any Teahouse host help uou unless you provide this basic in information? Cullen328 (talk) 05:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- I believe to have found it on my own already. It seems that each WikiProject has a list of sources to its respective topic, which was what I was looking for. Oixyplanet (talk) 21:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I tried to save my first ever edit, but it doesn't appear on the article page
I read a novel with a character that could appear on this page's list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_rodents_in_literature
After I carefully keyed in the edit, left the "minor edit" checkbox unchecked, provided a brief summary of my edit, clicked on "show preview" and found my edit on the previewed list, I went back to the edit page and found it was not saved (as warned might happen). So, I visited the article's edit page once more to key in my edit again, left the "minor edit" checkbox unchecked again, and provided the same brief summary before I clicked on "publish changes."
My edit does not appear on the article page list. Is there a lag until the edit is approved by someone? I'm sorry for the trouble but this is literally my first ever edit. Thank you for your patience. Trev Swain (talk) 04:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Trev Swain. I am sorry but this edit here at the Teahouse is your first recorded edit to Wikipedia. There are no deleted edits and no edits stopped by an edit filter. You must have failed to publish your previous attempts to edit. Cullen328 (talk) 05:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for the welcome. My connection is strong and stable. Trev Swain (talk) 06:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Trev Swain: Welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can tell you haven't made an edit to that page at all. In fact, this question is the only edit you've made so far to Wikipedia. Is your connection stable? I find that tends to be an issue in submitting edits. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:06, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- I apologize to you and Cullen328 for replying to Cullen328 with my answer to you. To both of you, I will try to make my edit again. Trev Swain (talk) 06:16, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Trev Swain, about your mention of going "back to the edit page":
Actually, after you click "show preview" and view your changes the edit page will still be there at the bottom of the preview page with your typed summary (and your changes), it's only if you navigate back or close the page that your changes and your edit summary become lost. Hope this helps. – 2804:F14:C060:8A01:FCEC:2577:ADD4:1299 (talk) 05:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)- Yes, I gathered that, but thanks for the confirmation. Trev Swain (talk) 06:17, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- To all three who kindly replied to help with what I thought should have been my first edit, I tried again, with success. Thank you. Trev Swain (talk) 06:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Edit Hyperlinks (names, images, etc)
Hello all. I made an edit to an article that contains a list (added a book title, author name, and brief description):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_rodents_in_literature
I notice that when I hover over the default hyperlinks, the identity of another more famous person with the same name appears in a small preview box. The same goes for the cover of the novel. I searched, but the author does not have a WP article associated with his name. I considered uploading the book's cover, but I don't own the copyright. I learned I can upload it under another (non-CC license). Would someone please advise as to the best license in such a case? Thanks to all who reply, in advance. Trev Swain (talk) 06:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Trev Swain, if a book cover is copyright (under a non-CC license), and the copyright isn't yours, then the only way you may upload it is to claim fair use for this or that article. This will not be possible for a mere item in a list. So you may not upload it. -- Hoary (talk) 09:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you, Hoary. Trev Swain (talk) 20:50, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it.
In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Yanai citation needed for my studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder "both his MA in 1970 and PhD in 1971 from the University of Colorado Boulder[citation needed]". I already hyperlinked University of Colorado Boulder why is the page still an Orphan 109.64.3.242 (talk) 07:40, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello 109.64.3.242! When an article is an orphan (click that hyperlink for a more detailed guide) it means there are no links connecting to it from other pages. For instance if it were an actor's page, you'd expect a link to it from at least one of the films/TV shows they had been in. These links leading to an article help to make it more findable. You can check to see what pages link to an article by clicking the "What links here" on the left of their page. The note at the top of that page stating it is an orphan would actually remain regardless of whether the problem it mentions is fixed or not as they are manually removed by editing the article & deleting the Orphan template at the top in {{}}. But you only remove them when the problem they mention is fixed. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 08:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Improvements requested for draft Septimius Awards
Hello Liz contacted me and suggested I join Teahouse. So i have created a draft for Teahouse, let me know if have any suggestions or improvements? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Septimius_Awards Please feel free to edit the article and suggest edits? Evagirl1991 (talk) 12:14, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello everyone, i tried creating a draft page for Septimius Awards but it was suddenly deleted by User:Yamla with no explanation? What is going on, how can I improve the article if I can't create a draft page? Evagirl1991 (talk) 12:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Evagirl1991 Hello. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something. A Wikipedia article about an event must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the event, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable event. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Evagirl1991. If you go to the original draft page, you will find the explanation, which is that the draft was considered "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". Promotion of any kind is not permitted on Wikipedia. Shantavira|feed me 14:34, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Draft:Septimius Awards was Speedy deleted under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. On your Talk page you mentioned that there are non-English references supportiing Septimius as notable. Non-English references are allowed. David notMD (talk) 14:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- thank you david, i did not know that Non-English references are allowed.
- please create a draft page for Septimius Awards and i will add the notable Non-English references? For example the Times of Vietnam posted an entire article about our event. Evagirl1991 (talk) 14:54, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Evagirl1991 If this is your event, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on disclosures you may need to make. 331dot (talk) 15:01, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to be co-authors. David notMD (talk) 17:15, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Evagirl1991 If this is your event, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on disclosures you may need to make. 331dot (talk) 15:01, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Draft:Septimius Awards was Speedy deleted under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. On your Talk page you mentioned that there are non-English references supportiing Septimius as notable. Non-English references are allowed. David notMD (talk) 14:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Evagirl1991. If you go to the original draft page, you will find the explanation, which is that the draft was considered "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". Promotion of any kind is not permitted on Wikipedia. Shantavira|feed me 14:34, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Evagirl1991 Hello. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something. A Wikipedia article about an event must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the event, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable event. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
On Talk, you have repeatedly denied having an connection to the topics you write about, yet above, you wrote "...about our event." Please explain. David notMD (talk) 17:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- hello david, sorry english is not my first language, i mean my article that i created for the event, this is something i would like to add. i had no idea Non-English references were aloud.
- please help me? Evagirl1991 (talk) 18:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Evagirl1991. You have said repeatedly that there are many articles about the event, but you haven't given any details. Please give us citations (author, publication, publisher, date, title, link if available) to the three best sources you have: The sources don't have to be in English, but each of them must be reliably published - that is, published by an organ with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control; independent - not written or published by anybody connected with the event, and not based on an interview or press release; and containing WP:significant coverage of the event, not just mentioning its name or giving dates. ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
What are the tips to remember before writing an article for a businessman/entrepreneur.
Please anyone tell me what is the writing process to write a good article for a businessman/entrepreneur. And yes he has notable content on the google news websites. Abdalla AlShamsi1 (talk) 15:55, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, Abdalla, and welcome to the Teahouse. The main thing to remember is that you are not writing an article for the businessman, but an article about him. What he has said, done, created, or published are almost irrelevant unless they have been written about by people wholly unconnected with him in reliable sources. Furthermore, whether he wants there to be an article, and what he wants such an article to contain or not to contain, are totally irrelevant. Please start by reading about notability, and make sure you can find the reliable sources, wholly independent of him, that are essential to establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. If you can't find these, give up, because you will be wasting your time. If you can, then please read your first article.
- Having said that, I would warn you that creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, and editors who try it before they have several weeks or months of solid experience of improving existing articles usually have a frustrating and disappointing experience.
- One final comment: new editors who come here, and immediately try to create an article about a person (or a company, or a band) very often have a conflict of interest. What is your connection with the businessman? ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Abdalla AlShamsi1, hello there, I see you have already received an answer from ColinFine, who is one of the most advanced Teahouse editors, and whilst they have given you an extensive response, as they already asked you, I would like for you to indicate what sort of relationship you have with this business man, how do you know them? These are extremely important questions you should answer honestly if you want any form of help from us. Celestina007 (talk) 20:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- A different problem: You created Draft:Abdalla Alshamsi, which was Speedy deleted. So either you were trying to create an article about yourself (see WP:AUTO for why this is a bad idea), of you have chosen as your User name a person you want to create an article about. Which? David notMD (talk) 21:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Abdalla AlShamsi1, let's have a look at (deleted) Draft:Abdalla Alshamsi:
- "Besides having leadership and entrepreneurship skills in his business he has also had a personal lavish lifestyle in which he owns many costliest and most unique stuff like exotic cars, villas, watches etc.
- "Abdalla Alshamsi owns Richard Mille RM 17-01 Tourbillon Carbon TPT watch and its price is $493,000 which equals 3,73,38,562.85 INR and 18,10,789.00 AED."
- The reference provided for his ownership of this "Richard Mille RM 17-01 Tourbillon Carbon TPT watch" was sanjana. "Abdalla Alshamsi - The famous Businessman from Dubai who owns RM 17-01 watch worth $493,000". Asianet News Network Pvt Ltd. Retrieved 2022-04-16.. The latter, awestruck web page is described as "By Team MyNation"; and it ends "The watch is handcrafted with uncompromising workmanship & artistry inspired by the deep engineering methods used in the designing of Formula 1 racing cars. It is made for those who deserves [sic] it, so for its [sic] obvious reasons it is with Abdalla Alshamsi." And then there are a couple of links, and finally "Disclaimer: This is a [sic] featured content". I wonder what "featured" here means. "Paid", perhaps? Anyway, what "his business" is, and what his "leadership and entrepreneurship skills" in this are seem more important to me than how he chooses to distribute his personal wealth. Yet the claim in the draft that he's "a UAE-based famed entrepreneur and businessman" failed to specify what the business was, and cited "Abdalla Alshamsi a self-made man with magnificent signature lifestyle". Deccan Herald. 2022-04-11. Retrieved 2022-04-16.. Again, we read "This article is part of a featured content programme." And (perhaps in part because it too doesn't bother to say what it is that finances this "magnificent signature lifestyle") some here are sure to find it an amusing read, but hardly the stuff that Wikipedia articles can be based on. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Abdalla AlShamsi1, let's have a look at (deleted) Draft:Abdalla Alshamsi:
Is there a way to preview an article when you are logged in?
When I am not logged in, if I hover over a link, it shows a preview of an article (with an picture and all). But when I am logged in, there is no preview when I hover over a link. Is there a way to change this, so that I can see previews when I am logged in? Lupine453 (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, Lupine453. Preferences -> Gadgets-> Navigation Popups. I think I read that there is another alternative, but that's the one I use. ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi :)
How can I contribute :) Lazap (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Lazap, Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the best way to contribute for now is to learn, please read WP:TUTORIAL & WP:GETTINGSTARTED. Celestina007 (talk) 20:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- There are more than six million articles in English Wikipedia. All of them can be improved. Look at articles for which you are already familiar. For example, your high school or your town/city. David notMD (talk) 21:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Are Basil and Raiden brothers?
Are they? 22:07, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, IP. If you are having trouble understanding a Wikipedia article, please specify which article it is. -- Hoary (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Alternatively, you could post your question on the article's talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 15:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
School project
So what is a school project on here as seen on this template{{School block}}
Lazap (talk) 22:29, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Lazap, I have retitled this. Your original title, "Heyy", is not informative or helpful. The template you reproduce mentions "class projects", linked to Wikipedia:Student assignments. Does Wikipedia:Student assignments fail to explain? If something remains unclear, please ask. -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- oh I didn’t read that I’ll get right to it! Lazap (talk) 00:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- All right I’ve read it and I’m a bit confused on the outreach part like where do I put the group is that allowed in stuff do I have to go trough a process Lazap (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Lazap, I'm sorry, I don't understand where do I put the group is that allowed in stuff do I have to go trough a process and therefore cannot start to explain. -- Hoary (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- OK so I want you read that article then go to the link where it says outreach wiki so you can see what I’m talking about Lazap (talk) 00:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Lazap. The template you've mentioned above states as follows:
So, if you're a teacher and want your students to be able to edit using the school's IP address, you should file a request using Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System and explain what you want to do and why. If you're a student who wants to edit using your school's IP address, you should ask your teacher or some other adminstrator at your school to make such a request. If you just want some general information on using Wikipedia for class project, try looking at Wikipedia Education's website found here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)If editing is required for class projects, please have your instructor or network administrator contact us (with reference to this IP address) at the Unblock Ticket Request System with a contact email address that is listed on your school's website.
- Not blocked just working on something Lazap (talk) 01:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- If you're not blocked, then it's not clear what {{School block}} has to do with anything you've been asking about. Are you a teacher who wants to use Wikipedia as part of one of your classes? If that's the case, then the "Student assignments" page that Hoary linked to above basically gives you all the information you'll need to get started. The Wikipedia Outreach page is a general page that is more global in nature and might be more helpful for schools not located in the US. The Wiki Ed page is more geared to US and Canadian schools; so, their materials might be more appropriate for US and Canadian students. If, on the other hand, your a student who wants to edit Wikipedia, then "Student assignments" page also contains advice for students. Try looking at Wikipedia:Training/For students or try taking the Wikipedia:Adventure for some general guidance. So far, your only edits to Wikipedia have been here at the Teahouse and in your username space; so, it's kind of hard to figure out what you're asking about or what you're trying to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Not blocked just working on something Lazap (talk) 01:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Lazap. The template you've mentioned above states as follows:
- OK so I want you read that article then go to the link where it says outreach wiki so you can see what I’m talking about Lazap (talk) 00:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Lazap, I'm sorry, I don't understand where do I put the group is that allowed in stuff do I have to go trough a process and therefore cannot start to explain. -- Hoary (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Forgot Password
Hi, I forgot the password of my account and I did not put an email when I created it so I cannot reset my password. My account is relatively new, I created it less than a month ago. What do I do? 67.173.50.123 (talk) 00:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Create a new account. On its user page, say that you were previously [old username]. On the user page of the old account, say that you are now [new username]. -- Hoary (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello IP editor. I'm really sorry, but if you did not give a 'reset email address', then if you have forgotten your password, there is no way to reaccess your account. The only option is then to create a new account, but you can always leave a comment on the old account to say that it is linked to the new one. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Edits on a page required to stem bullying.
Hi Guys, A person known to me, has kids that are receiving abuse because of some written things on this page. The items written are irrelevant to the very old page but are having a serious impact regarding these children. Who can I talk to to make some small edits to stave off this abuse?
Yours, with thanks in advance Dan Danhobbs (talk) 02:36, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi Danhobbs! what article would you like to change? you could perhaps add a edit request to change the article and get feedback on your proposed edits if you feel like you're personally connected to them. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 04:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Danhobbs.If you're worried about posting anything more specific on a public page like the Teahouse (because of concerns like this and this), you should take a look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Relationship between the subject, the article, and Wikipedia and try to follow the advice given there. There are various ways to discuss your concerns off-Wikipedia so to speak via email, and perhaps once of them might work for you. One thing you might want to try and avoid is repeatedly trying to edit the article in question since that actually can have an undesired effect and may actually lead to your account being blocked if the editing is somehow mistaken for disruption. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Seconding this. This is very likely a situation where the VRT should be contacted by emailing info-en-o[at]wikimedia.org, as they can handle this with the discretion required (since making any such edit yourself, as Marchjuly said, defeats the purpose of those edits). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 09:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Question on article talk page redirect
I just completed expanding the article The Young Pioneers (miniseries), and then went to what I assumed was the article's Talk page, to upgrade the article from Stub to Start. After completing the upgrade I noticed I was actually at Talk:The Young Pioneers, and that there was a notice of a Redirect from Talk:The Young Pioneers (miniseries). I find that quite awkward, as it's difficult to get from that redirected Talk page back to the article I'd just worked on. Am I allowed to try and figure how to remove that redirect, or should I first ask on the Talk page if anyone objects to me removing it? There is Young Pioneers (novel), Young Pioneers (film), and Young Pioneers' Christmas, and they all seem to have their own Talk pages, so I have no idea what the redirect is all about. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Karenthewriter! In general, non-controversial modification of redirects (maintenance, retargeting to section, etc) is perfectly fine and you can go ahead and remove the redirect. Every article should have its own Talk page so it would be the correct action in this case. -Liancetalk/contribs 05:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Liance thank you for your reply. I made my first attempt to end the redirect, but that task seems to be above my skill set. I'll need to do some research, and try again later. Karenthewriter (talk) 11:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Update – some good people who are much smarter than I am deleted the unnecessary redirect for me. Thank you to all who helped out with their editing skills. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Liance thank you for your reply. I made my first attempt to end the redirect, but that task seems to be above my skill set. I'll need to do some research, and try again later. Karenthewriter (talk) 11:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Requesting an Admin to intervene in a talk page discussion
Dear Teahouse,
There have been many issues regarding possible stonewalling on a living person's WP article Talk Page. Please check that on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Patrisse_Cullors, two editors who frequently edit articles together, as can be confirmed by reviewing their Talk Pages, have refused any addition to the primary, protected article over recent allegations of nonprofit funds misuse by Mrs. Cullors. The issue here is not the use of non-RS, like Fox News or Daily Mail, but after several acknowledged RS surfaced in the past few days, such as The Independent, NY Mag, Jezebel, Snopes, and others, these two editors still refuse by claiming that this same RS previously did not consider Mrs. Cullors culpable. They further try to deflect any addition by claiming only the nonprofit Mrs. Cullors led should bear any additions these RS might bring since, in their own words, "this is a smear campaign."
We require a neutral Admin, not related to this article, that will look at this situation. I believe this is a clear case of WP:STONEWALLING and WP:TAGTEAM. Please help us with the following steps to take.
Thanks for your time.
108.34.231.7 (talk) 02:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- This seems to be a case of forum shopping. This IP editor hasn't been able to build consensus on talk in a timely manner (roughly 24 hours ago) so they've applied both to dispute resolution and to this worthy forum. I encourage the editor to stick with one helping venue; choose. The editor does seem to be trying to improve their sources but is meeting strong arguments from experienced and BLP-knowlegeable editors that the requester here is doing some original synthesis. BusterD (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi BusterD, what would you say about the experienced editor, as you mentioned, who has hounded me, gone to my IP's Talk Page and posted two warnings, and responded to all my suggestions in an aggressive manner? Would this be appropriate from an experienced editor? Not only that, but only two editors are stonewalling this issue on that Talk Page. If you look across the Talk Page, more editors are commenting otherwise. So this is not a case of me alone vs. two experienced editors. I am the one who is requesting a neutral look from outside since many, many RS have mentioned these very recent accusations. These two editors have made plenty of changes/edits to that article and, after protection was granted, are guarding this person's article and accusing all those RS of being part of an "orchestrated smear campaign." This goes against WP:NEUTRAL. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 05:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I would say we have that sort of discussion on the talk page and wait a reasonable period of time (certainly more than one day) before going to multiple venues to complain about what seems (to you) unreasonable treatment (and what seems to them a BLP violation). I will say no more on this subject here; this is the wrong place to discuss on the merits. BusterD (talk) 05:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi BusterD, what would you say about the experienced editor, as you mentioned, who has hounded me, gone to my IP's Talk Page and posted two warnings, and responded to all my suggestions in an aggressive manner? Would this be appropriate from an experienced editor? Not only that, but only two editors are stonewalling this issue on that Talk Page. If you look across the Talk Page, more editors are commenting otherwise. So this is not a case of me alone vs. two experienced editors. I am the one who is requesting a neutral look from outside since many, many RS have mentioned these very recent accusations. These two editors have made plenty of changes/edits to that article and, after protection was granted, are guarding this person's article and accusing all those RS of being part of an "orchestrated smear campaign." This goes against WP:NEUTRAL. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 05:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Administrators cannot use their admin tools to intervene in a content dispute unless there are serious conduct issues at play. Disagreeing vehemently with the people on opposing sides of the dispute is not a serious conduct issue. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 04:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, IP editor. I am an administrator so I took a look and what I see is a content dispute, and administrators do not adjudicate content disputes. It is obvious that this particular dispute relates to the critically important policy Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons which says
Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment
and alsoA living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures; that is, individuals not covered by Public figures, editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured. If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other include sufficient explanatory information.
In this case, there are allegations of of inappropriate real estate purchases. Without expressing any opinion about the best way to describe this issue, or whether to mention it at all, I will say that perhaps two separate real estate transactions are at issue, and that one was made by an organization and the other by the individual in question, possibly using her own funds. The policy issue is that, unless misconduct has been proven by a court of law, there is a very high threshold to even mentioning such allegations. Any mention of this matter must accurately and neutrally summarize what high quality reliable sources say about the dispute. Coverage from unreliable sources should not influence the content discussions in any way, shape or form. Any editor who "grinds an axe" to advance an effort to smear a living person should be aware that they are at imminent risk of a block. Cullen328 (talk) 04:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)- Hi Admin Cullen328, thanks for replying. Regarding the "smear campaign" accusation by two editors who frequently edit together (as seen by their Talk Page), they are accusing the recent RS of having orchestrated said smear campaign, not a particular editor. So, in essence, NY Mag, The Independent, Snopes, and Jezebel, to name a few, are part of such a campaign. Regarding WP:BLP, while your point is very understandable, the question would be how and when to include direct accusations by RS. The request is to do so in a neutral manner. The issue is that these two editors prevent the mere mention of this. Many RS' with inline citations could be used for a neutral sentence or two. Nevertheless, if I misunderstand WP's policy and all BLPs must avoid accusations even when sourced to several RS, I would humbly ask why many BLPs do not conform to this and do document what RS' say? Mainly in politicized issues, a public figure such as Mrs. Cullors being directly pointed at by RS' such as NY Mag, The Independent, Snopes, and Jezebel for sure can have a mention, to use your words, and accurately and neutrally summarize what has transpired in the past few days. I agree with that. Apologies for any misunderstanding, but I would like to reiterate that we are only trying to use RS'. We are not pushing for specific verbiage but for including "something." We just want to follow WP:BLPPUBLIC and simply document what these (multiple RS) sources say. Thank you for helping. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 05:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- IP number, you write we are only trying to use RS'. We are not pushing for specific verbiage but for including "something." We just want to follow WP:BLPPUBLIC and simply document what these (multiple RS) sources say. Why the first person plural? -- Hoary (talk) 05:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi editor Hoary, I would say a mix of not being a native English speaker and the fact that there are other editors in said Talk Page pushing for the documentation of what these multiple RS' state. If you look through the Talk Page, you will easily find other editors on the same vein. If you would prefer me to tag them here, and it is allowed, let me know. Thanks. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 06:03, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- IP editor, Hoary asks a very relevant question. Is your use of "we" an indication that you are part of a multi-person effort to smear Cullors here on Wikipedia? If that is the case, please consider yourself informed that coordinated defamatory editing is forbidden and may well lead to blocks. This is not the venue to discuss in detail what reliable sources say about Cullors. There are many forms of dispute resolution available to you short of escalation to this noticeboard. When you come here, your own behavior will come under scrutiny. So, again, I advise you to follow WP:BLP policy scrupulously, and be very cautious about inserting any unproven allegations into a biography of a living person. Comments about unproven allegations by reliable sources who may have "report on gossip and innuendo" as parts of their business models do not necessarily justify the inclusion of innuendo into biographies in this encyclopedia. Our inclusions standards are deliberately much more conservative than that. Cullen328 (talk) 06:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Editor Cullen328, I now understand after you explained it. The former editor's manner seemed very aggressive. I originally meant me and the other editors in the Talk Page who have espoused for inclusion of a neutral sentence or two from a RS. As an example, but won't be tagging this editor here to avoid canvassing, editor MrPorpoise. Please check his many messages in the same Talk Page and how the same two editors are engaging in WP:TAGTEAM. If you review these editor's Talk Pages you would see they tend to edit articles together. Is there any way to report this? Thanks. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 01:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- IP editor, Hoary asks a very relevant question. Is your use of "we" an indication that you are part of a multi-person effort to smear Cullors here on Wikipedia? If that is the case, please consider yourself informed that coordinated defamatory editing is forbidden and may well lead to blocks. This is not the venue to discuss in detail what reliable sources say about Cullors. There are many forms of dispute resolution available to you short of escalation to this noticeboard. When you come here, your own behavior will come under scrutiny. So, again, I advise you to follow WP:BLP policy scrupulously, and be very cautious about inserting any unproven allegations into a biography of a living person. Comments about unproven allegations by reliable sources who may have "report on gossip and innuendo" as parts of their business models do not necessarily justify the inclusion of innuendo into biographies in this encyclopedia. Our inclusions standards are deliberately much more conservative than that. Cullen328 (talk) 06:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi editor Hoary, I would say a mix of not being a native English speaker and the fact that there are other editors in said Talk Page pushing for the documentation of what these multiple RS' state. If you look through the Talk Page, you will easily find other editors on the same vein. If you would prefer me to tag them here, and it is allowed, let me know. Thanks. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 06:03, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- IP number, you write we are only trying to use RS'. We are not pushing for specific verbiage but for including "something." We just want to follow WP:BLPPUBLIC and simply document what these (multiple RS) sources say. Why the first person plural? -- Hoary (talk) 05:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Admin Cullen328, thanks for replying. Regarding the "smear campaign" accusation by two editors who frequently edit together (as seen by their Talk Page), they are accusing the recent RS of having orchestrated said smear campaign, not a particular editor. So, in essence, NY Mag, The Independent, Snopes, and Jezebel, to name a few, are part of such a campaign. Regarding WP:BLP, while your point is very understandable, the question would be how and when to include direct accusations by RS. The request is to do so in a neutral manner. The issue is that these two editors prevent the mere mention of this. Many RS' with inline citations could be used for a neutral sentence or two. Nevertheless, if I misunderstand WP's policy and all BLPs must avoid accusations even when sourced to several RS, I would humbly ask why many BLPs do not conform to this and do document what RS' say? Mainly in politicized issues, a public figure such as Mrs. Cullors being directly pointed at by RS' such as NY Mag, The Independent, Snopes, and Jezebel for sure can have a mention, to use your words, and accurately and neutrally summarize what has transpired in the past few days. I agree with that. Apologies for any misunderstanding, but I would like to reiterate that we are only trying to use RS'. We are not pushing for specific verbiage but for including "something." We just want to follow WP:BLPPUBLIC and simply document what these (multiple RS) sources say. Thank you for helping. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 05:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello, IP editor. I am an administrator so I took a look and what I see is a content dispute, and administrators do not adjudicate content disputes. It is obvious that this particular dispute relates to the critically important policy Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons which says
Images
I've noticed that for many articles about people, there aren't any images of them in the infobox. Images of those people, however, are publicly available when you go to Google Images. Why is this? Is it that hard to find a non-copyrighted or CC image, or did the editors writing the page merely forget? Vortex (talk) 05:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- These aren't just stubs. There are fully completed pages without images, too. Vortex (talk) 05:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The former. (Google Image Search pulls up copyrighted images just as readily as it pulls up non-copyrighted ones.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 05:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- It's pretty hard. OTOH, Wikipedia editors (aside from the spammers and other paid hacks) are volunteers, and their/our time and effort are limited. They may have missed something that you could find, if you looked. If you try looking, remember that a CC license is not enough (it must be a particular kind of CC license); and that lack of an assertion of copyright does certainly not mean non-copyrighted (indeed, you should assume that any image is conventionally copyright, "all rights reserved", unless you have, and can point to, good evidence to the contrary). -- Hoary (talk) 05:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hi Vortex3427. Wikipedia's licensing policy for images and other types of media is explained here and here, but bascially it often comes down to whether an "free image" can be found for use in an article. In this context, "free" generally refers to the copyright status of image and not the availability of the image. There are many images online that one can look at for free or even possibly download for free. but that doesn't necessarily make them free from copyright protection. Such images, for the most part, can't be uploaded to Wikipedia without the explicit consent of their copyright holders (except in certain cases). In addition, a website may be hosting images created by others, and thus the website itself doesn't have a real claim of copyright over the image. Some websites may even be trying to claim copyright ownership over content that is within the public domain and is actually no longer or has never been eligible for copyright protection. For these kinds of reasons, it can be tricky to figure out what kind of images are OK to upload and what kind aren't. So, unless the website clearly states that all of it's content has been released into the public domain or has been released under one of these licenses, it's probably best to avoid trying to upload it to Wikipedia. You should also be careful with any images that look like they didn't originate with a website (e.g. some of the things listed in here) because it possible that the website isn't the copyright holder of the image even when they explicitly state their content is "free". So, whenever you have any doubts about a particular image, it's probaly best to ask for help at either Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright to see what others might think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
mrs anne black
aod 82.152.147.49 (talk) 07:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi IP 82.152.147.49. The Teahouse is a place for asking questions about Wikipedia. Do you have any such questions? -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:52, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I have a question about referencing
Whenever I add a website for referencing, it says that the website I am referencing is blacklisted from Wikipedia. I tried 4 or 5 websites, and all of them said the same thing! Could someone please help me? Thank you! Lilkeegy (talk) 07:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- It suggests to me that the sources you are using are not very good sources. --Bduke (talk) 07:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Lilkeegy. In most cases, there's usually a pretty good reason why a website gets added to WP:BLACKLIST. You might have no choice, but to try and use the search window on the BLACKLIST page to try and figure out why. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lilkeegy: Are you linking to those websites directly, or thru some sort of URL shortener (practically all of which are globally blacklisted)? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 09:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lilkeegy: Are you trying to link directly to a site? Usually that is OK. But if you are trying to link through a redirection service, that may be blacklisted. If the link is a very long one, that starts with, for instance, "https://www.google..." and contains lots of ampersand characters, that is an example of a redirection service. Avoid those; go directly to the intended site. Feline Hymnic (talk) 09:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- From what I can see he is trying to add a source for India census data. There is a single non-blacklisted source for the india census data from the Government, which I previously searched from the archives but don't remember right now. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Lilkeegy:If you're trying to source India Population data, just use official government website. (example link for 2011). The various (commercial) aggregator sites where blacklisted since at least February 2020 due to spamming (and, being controlled by private individuals they're probably less reliable than the government website)
- FYI @Jéské Couriano In most cases when a user complains about blocked link additions, the spamblacklist log shows the exact link that was blocked. Because that log comes from a MediaWiki extension rather than the MediaWiki core, entries often don't show on combined log pages. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Editing the Wiki Meta page
I was trying to translate the Wiki Meta page. At first it was showing that there is some error and when the error text went away I'm not getting the publish option. Phospheness (talk) 09:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Phospheness Please provide a link to the page you are trying to edit and explain what error you are seeing. You do not appear to have made any edits to Meta or Wikipedia:Meta. Shantavira|feed me 10:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello again. The link to the Wiki Meta Translate page: https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Centralnotice-tgroup-WFHR2022&language=en&filter=%21translated&action=translate
Thank you. Phospheness (talk) 11:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
WikiSource Markup's future
Hello, I am Narutmaru! I thought, since the VisualEditor is now here, will the WikiMarkup be closed? It is a pain in the butt for many new editors, and its honestly much more easier to work with. Regards, Narutmaru . To contact me, visit my Talk Page. 11:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narutmaru (talk • contribs)
- Wikipedia:VisualEditor has been around for many years, but still has many limitations, so there are no plans to remove WikiMarkup at present. Hopefully both options will continue to be improved. Shantavira|feed me 12:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Narutmaru, a standard way to contact any editor is to do so on their talk page; and so such an invitation really isn't needed, other perhaps than when addressed to the occasional newbie. -- Hoary (talk) 13:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- If WikiMarkup was removed I would retire immediately. I personally cannot deal with Visual Editor. SK2242 (talk) 14:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ya, i think tht for those who want markup, they can use, but for those who want to use visual also need to have same amount of features as markup editors.
- Regards, Narutmaru . To contact me, visit my Talk Page. 14:55, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narutmaru (talk • contribs)
- It won't, and wiki markup can do things that the visual editor hasn't been able to yet, like modify table cells. The visual editor is an ongoing project and it still hasn't come out of beta yet. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
How can I make a new article?
There's a highly acclaimed indie film not being given an article called The Toll (2021). How can I make one for it? Youngbloodpriest912 (talk) 12:22, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Youngbloodpriest912. Please take a look at WP:42 because it gives a general overview of what is usually needed to create a Wikipedia article about something. Then, you're going to want to take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (films) because that pages goes into more detail about what it tends to take to create an article about a motion picture. Finally, you can find editors who might be able to offer you further advice at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film. The members of that WikiProject will probably be able to tell you whether an article about the film could be created, and more importantly whether it would survive a deletion challenge. It will make no difference who creates such an article and how well written it is if the film doesn't meet one of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Teahouses and treehouses
Say why is it called the teahouse instead of treehouse Quident (talk) 12:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Quident, Wikipedia:Teahouse is a place to ask questions regarding editing and using Wikipedia. However, if you are really curious, back in the day, Teahouses (cafes but tea) were the place of discussion. Teahouses served a major role in the French Revoulution, and they helped transmit certain information to the masses. Treehouses are fun, yes, but Wikipedia, is a encyclopedia, not a place to joke around.
- However!
- If you truly want to have fun here, go to Wikipedia: Department of Fun, or try editing or creating articles on your favorite topics~!
- Signing off,
- Regards, Narutmaru . To contact me, visit my Talk Page. 12:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narutmaru (talk • contribs)
Removing vandalism on talk page
Hi! I came across two cases of vandalism on the this talk page of a BLP. I was wondering if it was possible to remove such cases by editing the talk page. Toofllab (talk) 13:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- An experienced editor has already reverted the addition on the basis that WP:NOTAFORUM and that the addition was not in English. You can do the same sort of reversion when necessary, Toofllab. It's usually best to use the article history to revert, not by making an edit on the page which removes other editor's entry (see WP:TALK). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Toofllab, I agree that they were inappropriate and that their removal was appropriate. As said above, another editor has removed the pair, but not because they were vandalism. They weren't vandalism. I'm sure that you have good intentions, but an understanding of what is and isn't vandalism is needed before removing comments as "vandalism". More generally, please see this. While you're still uncertain of what you should do and therefore hesitant to revert, do please report talk page edits that you think should be reverted: experienced editors will take over. -- Hoary (talk) 13:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Article about Jürgen von Stietencron is notable?
Hi there, I would like to write an article about Jürgen von Stietencron, who was an influential violin maker. Born in Ascona (IT) c. 1928, died in Hegne (DE) c. 2021, he translated one of the most important books for violin-making of the 1970ies, SACCONI´s "The secrets of Stradivari" into German, from 1988 to 2005 he held masterclasses at Musica Riva (now Ticino Music festival). How to prove the notability of a Wikipedia article on that topic? Andreas Hampel (talk) 14:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Andreas Hampel: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please take a look at WP:BIO which states, "A person is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." --The Tips of Apmh 14:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Question regarding the front page
I'm no longer seeing the portal quick links, and it doesn't look like any alternative css page styles are available, so the change is probably not due to something on my end. If there's a better spot to ask just reply with the link, I tried somewhere else earlier that didn't work (was reverted apparently) and the talk page you're normally supposed to use is locked, so this seemed like the best bet, thanks. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C4CC:81EC:7705:1FBC (talk) 15:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The portal link is now lower on the Main Page, in the "Other Areas of Wikipedia" section. RudolfRed (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah, guess I've gotten lazy (ctrl+f usually works to find things that go missing), should've done a manual check before asking. Alright not quite as convenient, but I only use them infrequently anyway, and let's face it, front-end design really isn't my thing, though IMHO the front page probably could use an overhaul, thanks for the pointer. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C4CC:81EC:7705:1FBC (talk) 16:36, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Moving the content of my user/sandbox into a draft
Hello everybody,
I have been editing on articles for a while and last year I started a new article in my sandbox User:Yeti-Hunter/sandbox. Basically it´s a stub about an offshore supply ship which is actually to be converted to the new oceanographic research vessel of the Schmidt Ocean Institute. So far I am done and ready to move it. But I am struggeling with the Move of the content to a draft page because the name convention for ships requestes that the name is in italics like R/V Falkor (too) and worse the name of the converted vessel contains two characters ( ) which might cause even more trouble to me. So, my question is now. Should I fill in the Displaytitle-template with the name of the vessel {{DISPLAYTITLE:xyz<nowiki>}} aka the MagicWord, and add this template in the very first line above the infobox inside my sandbox content? Or should it be placed when I create a draftpage. I already tried something like this but I got a error message because the real vessel name does not fit to the naming convention for article names. I really apprechiate your help and I am looking forward to your advices.Yeti-Hunter (talk) 16:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Yeti-Hunter: Welcome to the Teahouse. I wouldn't worry about determining the formatting of a draft page; if you add {{subst:submit}} to the top, a reviewer will change it accordingly if it's accepted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone Please help me someone about my writing my first article for someone.
Courtesy link: User:Altamashkhan1/sandbox
I am a new editor on Wikipedia and writing my first article for a UAE based businessman and yes he has very notable content on very well-known websites like Khaleej, gulf news, and many more. Can anybody check my sandbox article which I already published and tell me my mistakes if it is there? Altamashkhan1 (talk) 17:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Altamashkhan1, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. I have looked over your sandbox page and your article looks good to publish (to me, anyways.) I was unable to find any spelling errors and the page generally follows Wikipedia guidelines. That is a great page for a new editor, and I wish you good luck on this page and all your following pages and edits! - ypc0cnz (talk) 18:14, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you for your precious time. Altamashkhan1 (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hi, Altamashkhan1, and welcome! A couple of notes: the External Links section does not conform to Wikipedia's policies (more information here and, more specifically, here (#10)). You should probably remove that section. Make sure your sourcing follows the reliable sources guidelines (most of them ought to be okay, but it's still worth checking). And if you haven't already read it, this page has a lot of helpful information for writing your first article. I've put a list of links that are generally helpful for Wikipedia contributing on your talkpage as well. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hey there , Thank your for your great help. Altamashkhan1 (talk) 21:20, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Altamashkhan1: - after a quick glance at the sources, I think you're better off making the article about Filli Cafe, instead of Rafih Filli. He doesn't seem to be notable for anything besides the Cafe, at least in Wikipedia's definition of the term "notable" WP:GNG. Also, the sources seem to be unabashedly promotional, with fawning language to describe the stores and Filli. I think you're not quite there yet. Also, if you know Filli personally, and are writing this for him, you should read WP:COI and make the proper disclosures (section 2) on your talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Great help. Thank you. Altamashkhan1 (talk) 22:03, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Question
Why does the Wikipedia not pay its editors to write and edit the articles? As a professor I have always written articles and been paid for them so maybe I do not understand. The140IQProfessor (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello! Thats rather simple actually, Wikipedia is a community project. We edit for spreading information. We do not edit for financial gain. Paid Editing is actually banned on wikipedia to allow for a non-biased experience. Nobody needs to edit on wikipedia, we do it because we want to. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- PerryPerryD Au contraire, paid editing is not banned. See WP:PAID. What is required is that paid editors declare their status on their Talk pages. Employees of a company or a person may be asked to create a draft, or choose to, even if not asked - both count as paid editing, requiring disclosure. There are also freelance editors who offer to create drafts. Again, disclosure. Undeclared paid editing is grounds for editors being blocked. As to why Wikipedia does not pay? Because that works. In English Wikipedia alone there are more than six million articles (of widely varying quality), many the work of scores of editors each striving to improve the quality of the articles without being paid. David notMD (talk) 20:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I'll ask again, since nobody answered.
Hello, again. This page's section on Poliespo lacks many parts of Poliespo's design including phonology and orthography despite it being decently well-known. I am bringing this up again because I: A) don't want to make any decisions without approval, and B) I was ignored when I asked previously. JanKeso (talk) 19:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Hello. If a section is lacking parts of a design, you should find a source or 2 and add the details you think its missing, Be Bold!, Reverting is normal, and dont be afraid to edit. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso You posed a question on 14 April and I replied same day: "From the available refernces in that article, I see no evidence that Poliespo exists other than Waldon said it does. If there is published content about Poliespo other than by Waldon, you could create and submit a draft. If not, not." I stand by that. If you can provide references to the attempt to establish Poliespo as a language, separate and subsequent to Billy Ray Waldon's claims that he created Poliespo, then by all means create and submit a draft, using WP:YFA as a guide. Mention and referencing to Waldon can be in a History section of the draft. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't receive any reply from you or anybody else. Also, there is a Youtube video that contains some information about Poliespo here JanKeso (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso You asked your question at Teahouse and I replied at Teahouse. This time, I 'pinged' you, to make sure you saw my reply. FYI: YouTube is not considered a reliable source reference for Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The Youtube video is the only source that is easily accessible that contains any information of the phonology and orthography of Poliespo, to my knowledge. It sure would be a waste to not use some of it, even if it may be wrong in a few areas. jan Keso (talk) 20:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia policy on YouTube is that because anyone can create YouTube content, it is not reliable source referencing. Same for blogs and forum content. And interviews. References do not need to be easily accessible, i.e., on-line, but do need to be published. David notMD (talk) 20:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- David notMD There is also a email thread listed in the description, and a document that is referred to multiple times throughout the video. The reason I added the "easily accessible" part was because someone who wants to add more information on a topic but said topic has inaccessible content that would be required to add more information (such as Poliespo) would have a problem. jan Keso (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Actually, YouTube content can be used if content is uploaded from
a verified official account
, though its use should still be scrutinised. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)- hi Tenryuu and jan Keso! ...I'm willing to guess that said source is Conlang Critic: Poliespo from the cute fraud themself which doesn't really count as a verified official account. the document in the video is La Fundamento de Poliespo, which is Waldon's. the email thread also probably doesn't count. if you'd like to add stuff there, you probably would want to obtain sources independent from waldon (in other words, not La Fundamento) and not self-published (not from jan Misali or youtube in general). happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia policy on YouTube is that because anyone can create YouTube content, it is not reliable source referencing. Same for blogs and forum content. And interviews. References do not need to be easily accessible, i.e., on-line, but do need to be published. David notMD (talk) 20:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The Youtube video is the only source that is easily accessible that contains any information of the phonology and orthography of Poliespo, to my knowledge. It sure would be a waste to not use some of it, even if it may be wrong in a few areas. jan Keso (talk) 20:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso You asked your question at Teahouse and I replied at Teahouse. This time, I 'pinged' you, to make sure you saw my reply. FYI: YouTube is not considered a reliable source reference for Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't receive any reply from you or anybody else. Also, there is a Youtube video that contains some information about Poliespo here JanKeso (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- JanKeso You posed a question on 14 April and I replied same day: "From the available refernces in that article, I see no evidence that Poliespo exists other than Waldon said it does. If there is published content about Poliespo other than by Waldon, you could create and submit a draft. If not, not." I stand by that. If you can provide references to the attempt to establish Poliespo as a language, separate and subsequent to Billy Ray Waldon's claims that he created Poliespo, then by all means create and submit a draft, using WP:YFA as a guide. Mention and referencing to Waldon can be in a History section of the draft. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Translated article "does not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article"
I was working on translating an article which lacked some information that I added into the draft. However, it is still being rejected on the basis that the subject is not notable. The original article exists in two other languages, and my sources are almost identical to (albeit more numerous than) the sources that exist in the French article. What am I doing wrong? Ff2maa (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Every project has different inclusion requirements. One project may have no bar for notability, while we do. CUPIDICAE💕 20:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hi Ff2maa. Please take a look at this for more details, but basically each Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines that might not be exactly the same. There may be some aspects that overlap, but there may be some important differences. Since English Wikipedia has the most articles and the most users, its policies and guidelines tend to more rigorously applied than is done on some other Wikipedias; on the other hand, more users can often mean there’s more subjectivity in how English Wikipedia’s notability guidelines are applied. An article already existing on another Wikipedia doesn’t automatically mean it should also exist on English Wikipedia because there’s no true one to one correspondence between the two Wikipedias. So, the translation is going to need to meet English Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for it to be accepted. — Marchjuly (talk) 20:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- The references I could read (English) established accomplishment and awards, but were basically name mentiones (did this, got that...). None were about Shirahama AT LENGTH, a requirement for English Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 20:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ff2maa, a tip for more material. If "[her] recent works have garnered critical acclaim", then what was the acclaim (as summarized in your words), who were the critics, and where did they publish it? That could add up to [en:Wikipedia-defined] notability. -- Hoary (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Verywell Mind
Hi. I have a question: why is Verywell Mind not considered a reliable source? I was trying to add some information to an article using this website as my source, and apparently the verywellmind.com domain is blacklisted. I don't really understand why and I couldn't find any explanation for it. The website seems to contain reliable, medically peer-reviewed information. Castlepalace 20:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Castlepalace: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you look at the Dotdash entry on perennial reliable sources and this discussion, the domain has been blacklisted for
persistent abuse
, and they have to be whitelisted before use. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Artist Discography page not approved?
Hi! I am trying to create a page for a singer/songwriter that has been on 2 TV shows, in articles such as Billboard, E News, Entertainment Tonight, Grammys, and more... The actual biography page is still under review, but the discography page was already declined... Any tips? Kenwshew (talk) 21:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Kenwshew, hello there and welcome to the Teahouse, To be honest, the only tip which unfortunately may not be the answer is to learn first, I can point you to WP:NALBUM or WP:MUSICBIO and there you’d definitely find some help, but that would be bot like, rather I’m offering you an uncomfortable truth, I know how annoying, saddening or disheartening not getting what you want is, trust me I do, I note your account is barely 6 months old, what you want to do is first to understand how notability works, read WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO & WP:RS, there’s a lot more to learn than the aforementioned, but generally I tell editors trying to create articles that if they have an idea of WP:GNG & WP:RS worked they would solved half their problems. Furthermore you can have a conversation with the AFC editor who declined the article, ask them what their concerns were, sometimes you can learn a lot from working with the declining editor than asking for general help here. Furthermore why does the discography need a whole separate article that can’t be included in the biographical article? Celestina007 (talk) 21:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Charles Clément Balvay
The title of this article really needs to be changed. The individual referred to himself as Charles Clément Bervic ... was known by this name in his time and ever since, and he is not readily identified by the name "Balvay." References within the article, likewise, need to be changed to Bervic. I have tried to raise this matter on the article's "talk" but without any evidence that my concern has been noticed. George-Amherst (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- George-Amherst, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the blanket answer if there has ever been a change of the article name in the past, please do not try to unilaterally do anything, in-fact the answer to your question would be for you to seek consensus on the TP of the article & if that isn’t working, you can raise this point in WP:RM. Celestina007 (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I don't believe there is any resource in print where Bervic is known by the name "Balvay". Consequently, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to change this title unilaterally, if I were able to do so -- I don't find evidence in the history of the article of any discussion of this subect. How would I seek a consensus on this subject? -- or for that matter, any meaningful discussion, were there reason *not* to change the title? Why would Wikipedia maintain a usage that seems to have no practice anywhere else? George-Amherst (talk) 22:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Btw, thanks for your suggestions George-Amherst (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- George-Amherst, I took a very quick look at the article. I clicked on two of its references. The second, this one, refers to him as Balvay. It doesn't only refer to him in this way, and briefly discusses the ambiguity, but it does refer to him in this way. Perhaps the article would be better retitled ("moved"); but unless I misunderstand you, your premises for retitling it are mistaken. -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Article at AfC, mainspace, but then edited back to (declined AfC version)
Margaret A. Wilcox was declined at AfC for not being written in formal, neutral tone. I re-wrote the article, and moved it to the mainspace. Now a new editor has come along and changed it back to the version that was declined. What is the appropriate next step here? DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- DaffodilOcean, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You help us aid you better if you provide links (diffs) to what you reference, This circumstance seems rather strange, please can you show us links to that which you speak of? Celestina007 (talk) 22:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Ah...looks like someone just reverted it. I don't know how to show differences (though I have seen this done).
- I moved this version to the main space: [1]
- Then I saw this version: [2]
- As an aside, I would love to learn how people show the differences with one link. DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- You just provided diffs. Celestina007 (talk) 23:46, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- @DaffodilOcean, see Help:Diff#Linking to a diff. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- The link from StarryGrandma is what I was looking for, magic. Thanks. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Trying to submit an article for reivew
I drafted and submitted U.S. Coast Guard History and Heritage Sites, I get this message: "This is a misplaced articles for creation submission. If it is not yet ready for article space, please consider moving it to draft space rather than marking it for deletion. Note: If you are not an administrator or page mover please tag the redirect left behind after the move for deletion using {{db-r2}}." How do I get my article placed correctly for review? HnHCDR (talk) 22:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- I have moved it for you to Draft:U.S. Coast Guard History and Heritage Sites McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 22:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Any suggestion how to avoid this next time? HnHCDR (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- hi HnHCDR! drafts are created with the prefix Draft: so all you need is to create a new page, but prefix it with that first. the Article wizard automatically places new pages you create in it in the draftspace, you could use that. happy writing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks. Any suggestion how to avoid this next time? HnHCDR (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)