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::I see your point, i tend to believe that people are innocent until proven otherwise on these issues, he maintains the account doesnt belong to him, he understands the consequences, hes been there before. Lets ashume he cant answer the question and try to avoid isolating him unnessarily. --[[User:Realist2|<span style="color:#0f0">'''Realist'''</span><span style="color:#120A8F"><sup>'''''2'''''</sup></span>]] ([[User_talk:Realist2|<span style="color:#EF9B0F ">'''''Come Speak To Me'''''</span>]]) 03:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC) |
::I see your point, i tend to believe that people are innocent until proven otherwise on these issues, he maintains the account doesnt belong to him, he understands the consequences, hes been there before. Lets ashume he cant answer the question and try to avoid isolating him unnessarily. --[[User:Realist2|<span style="color:#0f0">'''Realist'''</span><span style="color:#120A8F"><sup>'''''2'''''</sup></span>]] ([[User_talk:Realist2|<span style="color:#EF9B0F ">'''''Come Speak To Me'''''</span>]]) 03:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Well, taking a look at the evidence, Sman.grimtuesday [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sman.grimtuesday creates an account] at 02:07 and then [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xp54321&diff=prev&oldid=214335763 supports an RFA] at 02:08. He then proceeds to express his condolences at Xp54321's talk page. And then never edits again. Sure seems to me that ''if'' Xp54321 didn't sockpuppet the account, he had someone else create it and told him exactly where to go and what to type. [[User:Useight|Useight]] ([[User talk:Useight|talk]]) 03:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC) |
:::Well, taking a look at the evidence, Sman.grimtuesday [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Sman.grimtuesday creates an account] at 02:07 and then [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xp54321&diff=prev&oldid=214335763 supports an RFA] at 02:08. He then proceeds to express his condolences at Xp54321's talk page. And then never edits again. Sure seems to me that ''if'' Xp54321 didn't sockpuppet the account, he had someone else create it and told him exactly where to go and what to type. [[User:Useight|Useight]] ([[User talk:Useight|talk]]) 03:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Well, if the user creates an account and then !votes in an RfA a minute later, how did the user come across [[WP:RFA]]? -- [[User:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">RyRy5</font>]] ('''''[[User talk:RyRy5|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>]] [[WP:IFY|♠]] [[CAT:CE|<font color="navy" face="Times New Roman">copy-edit</font>]]''''') 03:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 03:21, 23 May 2008
User:Xp54321 2nd case
- Suspected sockpuppeteer
Xp54321 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Suspected sockpuppets
Sman.grimtuesday (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Report submission by
Metros (talk) 02:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Evidence
Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xp54321 The only support for Xp54321 in his RFA was with this new user. If it is not sockpuppetry, then it is quite likely meat puppetry. Also, there's this edit where Xp54321 signed and edited as the IP address that Sman.grimtuesday said he was using. Metros (talk) 02:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Comments
Please run checkuser. Not socks. Don't even know where they came from. Also one alternate account. User:Mr.Xp. It's used for public user logins. Though I have yet to log in on a potentially compromised computer.Xp54321 (Vandals Beware!!!,Contribs) 02:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- A checkuser may not reveal sockpuppetry, but meatpuppetry is still viable. Can you explain how a new user with no other contributions found your RfA and supported? Wisdom89 (T / C) 02:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- He doesnt have to explain anything, if he is innocent how can he explain it, it is up to admins to prove these allegations. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 02:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- No, he doesn't have to explain anything - However, I am concerned with the harsh repercussions facing the user if he/she does not admit it. In fact, there is precedence for such a request. Wisdom89 (T / C) 03:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- He doesnt have to explain anything, if he is innocent how can he explain it, it is up to admins to prove these allegations. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 02:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
See above. new user stumbles upon RFA,Decides to vote,votes,me accused of sock/meat.:)Xp54321 (Vandals Beware!!!,Contribs) 03:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, I'll WP:AGF and take your word for it. Wisdom89 (T / C) 03:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- I see your point, i tend to believe that people are innocent until proven otherwise on these issues, he maintains the account doesnt belong to him, he understands the consequences, hes been there before. Lets ashume he cant answer the question and try to avoid isolating him unnessarily. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 03:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Well, taking a look at the evidence, Sman.grimtuesday creates an account at 02:07 and then supports an RFA at 02:08. He then proceeds to express his condolences at Xp54321's talk page. And then never edits again. Sure seems to me that if Xp54321 didn't sockpuppet the account, he had someone else create it and told him exactly where to go and what to type. Useight (talk) 03:17, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- I see your point, i tend to believe that people are innocent until proven otherwise on these issues, he maintains the account doesnt belong to him, he understands the consequences, hes been there before. Lets ashume he cant answer the question and try to avoid isolating him unnessarily. --Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 03:06, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- Conclusions