Marathi mulgaa (talk | contribs) mNo edit summary |
Marathi mulgaa (talk | contribs) No edit summary |
||
Line 79: | Line 79: | ||
:And here he says he is "not new to the article." (reff coming) Well, there was me, Renee, Duty2love and.... Shashwat. Case closed. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] ([[User talk:Sethie|talk]]) 14:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
:And here he says he is "not new to the article." (reff coming) Well, there was me, Renee, Duty2love and.... Shashwat. Case closed. [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] ([[User talk:Sethie|talk]]) 14:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
||
::: '''I am quaking with fear''' Hey - This comment from Cultie (alias Shashwat) is rich in his response to you .... "Where can i find this most feared person amongst cult member's, i have noticed, Reneeholla, sefacts and few more have labeled me with different identities. How can i get in touch with this guy.. --talk-to-me! (talk) 17:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)" |
|||
:::Dude - You planning on erecting a memorial to your "fearful" self? I bet Sethie and everyone else you routinely bite can easily recognize your teeth marks. :) [[User:Marathi mulgaa|Marathi_Mulgaa]] ([[User talk:Marathi mulgaa|talk]]) 23:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC) |
|||
Revision as of 23:39, 11 April 2008
User:Cult free world
- Suspected sockpuppeteer
Shashwat_pandey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Suspected sockpuppets
Shashwat_pandey (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Rushmi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
- Report submission by
Duty2love (talk) 06:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Evidence
New User Cult_free_world (CFW) appears to be the sock puppet of users Shashwat Pandey(SP) and Rushmi(RU). This appears to be a somewhat sophisticated case as perhaps SP is reusing another pre-existing user CFW's account for the same purpose users SP and RU had tried to achieve. May be an IP check can confirm this. Both of these users have been permanently blocked from WP because of abusing WP [1]. Following are the evidences, please bear with me.
Important Note: To see things crystal clear, you will have to take a little bit of inconvenience. You will need to see some links at Orkut.com and since because of spams from Orkut, WP has blacklisted it hence you would have to replace ORKUT with "www(dot)orkut(dot)com" in the all the orkut links mentioned below. Also you will need a Google account to login into Orkut's pages (which I am pretty sure you have one ;)):
- Using CFW's account: Because SP has been caught and blocked from WP twice before, he appears to be attempting a very clever solution to get back in and repost the same deleted material. Here are some evidences in support of this:
- There is a distinct change in pattern in the contributions of CFW from prior to March 3rd 2007 to the ones later to March 19th 2007. Prior to March 3rd, CFW's contibs were intermixed between all together different subjects like - Meher Baba, Rick Ross, Marga, Bramha Kumaris, Sahaj Yoga etc.[2], then some activity started on subject Sahaj Marg subject and after after March 19th it has been fully changed to Sahaj Marg and SRCM, the same exact subjects of SP and RU.
- March 19th @ Orkut SP says this: Following comment from SP's blog page in Orkut (read the Imp Note above before clicking on this link) [3] says exactly this, responding to another user how it is possible to recreate deleted pages in WP: "BTW what makes you feel that it is difficult ? you are not someone who is new or is unaware of wiki, now that you have come here, kindly give us your space location on wikipedia, so that if there is anyone who wish to get involved may move in. ..."
- March 19th @ WP CFW creates this: "18:14, 19 March 2008 (hist) (diff) User:Cult free world/Proposed page (←Created page with 'Le Sahaj Marg est un système de méditation de raja yoga hindouiste fondé en 1945. À ne pas confondre avec le classique Raja Yoga ...')". [4]. And as mentioned before from now on SP takes over this account.
- CHKUSER warning: While writing this, I noticed that CFW gets a comment for CHECKUSER and SUSPSOCK from an old timer acquaintance [5] ... what a coincidence or may be there is no coincidence at all as it is becoming so obvious to those who know CFW.
- CFW - Not a New User CFW's account has been opened on Dec 29th 2007. CFW started started the proposed page on Sahaj Marg on March 19th. Seeing the history you will notice how expertly he has been adding references, quoting WP policies and starting an RfC process [6]. Doesn't all this seems too much for a new user?
- SP's Blog Page: SP's blog page has a lot of evidence about what CFW has been doing at WP since March 19th. Shashwat Pandey is a long time blogger, well known for holding extremely negative POV about the non profit organization SRCM ... nothing wrong with that. He holds several blog pages at Orkut and Geocities. Note: All Orkut links pasted here will require a valid Orkut account to view. Pages posted by him has been deleted from Geocities as well [7]. Following are some relevant posts from his blog on Orkut (will need an orkut account to view), which shows his sophisticated plan of action to start the same deleted pages again at WP, having learnt a great deal after being blocked several times from so many reputed websites. Following are the posts (italicized) done by SP about the things he has been doing at WP under disguise of other account. Orkut Page: [8]
- Feb 25 @ Orkut: SP's comment at above Orkut page (typos intact) about Jossi's deletions of the pages created by him as CFW. "Finally Jossi was sussessful in deleating the wiki page about Sahaj marg, and got my account blocked as well !!".
- Mar 3rd @ Orkut: '"Jossi deleted the article once again.. 02:48, 3 March 2008 Jossi (Talk | contribs) deleted "Sahaj Marg India" (G4: Recreation of deleted material) ..... "'.
- Mar 3rd @ WP: CFW had created those pages [9] and Jossi had deleted them [10]
- Mar 19 @ Orkut: Discussion about using a pre-existing account at WP - [11]
- April 8 @ Orkut: Copying all my exchanges with 4d-don [12]
- High Degree of Similarity: Since March 19th the contributions by CFW has a high degree of similarity with the posts done by Rushmi and SP at WP before [13], [14], [15]
- Reposting Deleted Content: Both SP and RU were involved with same contentious subject (Sahaj Marg, SRCM) and several pages related to this subject were removed from WP last September after a long review process [16], [17], [18]. But in spite of numerous suggestions to CFW about the recent history of this subject, it persists on posting same deleted content. My big concern is not about the content, that we can resolve in the talk pages, as we had been doing [19], [20], but if the user CFW itself is not reliable and is intentionally misusing WP to propagate its POV then isn't it a huge waste of time and resources?
- Previously Suspected: Other people have suspected the same in the past [21] during the same time when this user turned its attention towards this subject (Sahaj Marg) .... potentially the time the account was transferred to from original CFW to SP.
- Against Consensus: CFW (since March 19th) has not been too much in favor of consensus. In its proposed page, more users have not agreed with the content CFW has been adding than those agreeing with it resulting in edit wars [22]. On multiple occasions, users have warned CFW but to not much avail [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30]
- Personal Attack on known users: CFW has had clashes with users (namely Renee and Sethie - [31], [32], [33]) he has clashed before as Rushmi and SP - [34]. Also it holds a fairly decisive opinion about these users as if he knew them before. He even tried to launch a vandalism report on User Sethie on one of these users which was declined [35]
- Known for using sly techniques: As the new user Rushmi, SP had seeked adoption and was adopted by Sarcasticidealist [36], later only to be relinquished by Sarcasticidealist [37], who felt abused by Rushmi.
Additional Evidence of Sockpuppetry.
Note. As noted by Duty2Love above, the orkut site is blacklisted, hence, in the orkut listings below (#2 and #8) I have removed the periods between the "www" "orkut" "com." To view the sites, you'll need to add the periods back in manually.
- 1. User:Shashwat pandey posts the link to his Orkut blog here on Wikipedia. (publically outing himself)
- 2. Under User:Shashwat pandey's Orkut "profile" (near the end) it says, "May you be granted 20 times of that what you have wished for me!!"
- (remember to add periods manually between www orkut com to read #2 above)
- 3. At the top of User:Cult free world's talk page, it says, "May you be granted 20 times of that what you have wished for me!".
- 4. The phrase on User:Shashwat pandey's blog and User:Cult free world's talk page is identical.
- 5. The phrase appears in both French and English on Shashwat pandey's Orkut blog, indicating Shashwat pandey's fluency in French.
- 6. User:Cult Free World posts a French version of the article and proceeds to translate here.
- 7. The editing styles of both users are identical in tone, single-purpose, and text (see this RFC on User:Shashwat pandey and then compare to User:Cult Free World's recent discussions on the ANI here, here, and here).
- 8. This morning I just checked to verify this was all still there and this sock report was posted under the header, "Scared zombies," here.
- (remember to add periods manually between www orkut com to read #8 above)
- 9. User:Cult Free World made a strange comment about the newspaper article from the Pioneer being OR, see this. Then, I realized it was because he had been told that in his identity as Rushmi, here. (Read the last line where the responding editor says he it looks like some OR...) There is no way Cult free world would have known this was OR since this was a long archived post unless he read it as Rushmi. Also, note the same phrasing and tendentiousness regarding this source across both users.
- This user has and is engaged in serious gaming of Wikipedia (gloating and strategizing about it on his Orkut blog). His edits are almost uniformally disruptive and tendentious. He is not here to contribute in good faith to Wikipedia, but to promote a POV in line with his user name and in support of his blog.
- As a precaution, I have saved a copy of Shashwat Pandey's Orkut profile page containing the evidence outlined above on my computer (in case he changes his profile). I can email it as proof to any interested admin. Renee (talk) 15:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Comments
- Duty2Love Comments. While I am not contending about the relevance of the content CFW/SP/RU has been posting, my big question & concern is the user's validity, its behavior and possible sophistications used to misuse WP. I trust admin's judgement in this case and I will be happy to work with him/her as I have done in the past. However, above strong reasons suggest me that this is the same user who have not once but twice caused a lot of trouble for WP and its users in the past. Hence my request is that this user should be removed from WP immediately. Your serious considerations will be much appreciated. Thanks and ... wooof! Duty2love (talk) 06:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Cult Free World/talk-to-me Comments. Lol... so according to you my account has been compromised ? well that is not the case, about orkut, those who are interested in the subject will defiantly look at what is happening about the subject elsewhere what is the problem with that ? if someone having interest in a topic is discussing about that topic in forum other then wikipedia, what can i do for that ? I took up this topic after I noticed Jossi deleting the article, after declaring that he will not do that, more details here [38]. Moreover the article i am trying to write is taken from french wikipedia [39], and content that i am adding is based on my experience with Brahma_Kumari and Sahaja Yoga articles, and there also members of the group came out with exactly the same thing,[40], about finding references... is it that difficult to find references ? all you need to do is to search google with proper words, you will find tons of information.
- This is yet another attempt by the group to prevent any information leaking out to world. Degraded attempts like these only motivate me to continue and finish the article, and publish it [41], interested users may wish to have a look at hallucination.--talk-to-me! (talk) 08:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- user:Duty2love you should come prepared, you have noted that there is a Checkuser warning at my talk page, you should have seen the talk page of the person commenting that, it was in response to my request [42], to inform me as how to file for check user, as i am sure that User:Innerself is someone from you three only.--talk-to-me! (talk) 09:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Sethie's Comments. Initially I was unsure. CFW's syntax, word-choice etc. were a bit different. However, overtime, it is EXACTLY the same as Sashwat (guess he was consciously trying to talk differently, till old habits kicked in.
- Shashwat is easily recognizable by certain tell-tale habits. I will not post them here, and if the admin investigating this case does not see the above as enough evidence, I will be happy to email them. =) He has even engaged in some of the same behaviors here in his response!
- Here I ask him if he is Shashwat [[43]].
- And here he says he is "not new to the article." (reff coming) Well, there was me, Renee, Duty2love and.... Shashwat. Case closed. Sethie (talk) 14:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Reneeholle's Comments. While this user is not using his different socks at this time, he is using this identity to avoid scrutiny, in order to continue tendentious and disruptive editing on topics related to Sahaj Marg. I was concerned about "outing" the user and then I realized he outed himself with this post, that links exactly to the blog Duty2Love points out above. As an aside, User:4d-don, a meatpuppet of User:Shashwat pandey/Cult Free World, outs himself here regarding his blog. You'll see that these two users spend a great deal of time off line coordinating their attack of Sahaj Marg on Wikipedia. These types of point-of-view single-purpose-accounts disrupt Wiki, are an abuse of the Wiki consensus process, and show that there is no intention to abide by Wiki policies of WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:R and WP:V. Renee (talk) 15:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- This is kind of interesting. When Duty2love filed the checkuser case, User:Cult free world immediately worried that his account might have been "compromised" and that " I will file for disabling my account if i feel it is compromised". Pretty fishy huh? Shashwat and Rushmi may have used his computer without his knowing and he might have to disable his account if they compromised it... Renee (talk) 21:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Even my profile[44] also says May you be granted 20 times of that what you have wished for me.lol --talk-to-me! (talk) 15:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for proving it Shashwat! It was pretty easy to confirm that you just created a new profile on name of "cult free world" in Orkut [45]. There are absolutely no posts by this user as of yet and it has 0 scraps, videos, photos, fans and testimonials. It has only 1 friend which is you and look at the communities that you made this guy part of ... exactly same as the ones CFW was active in WP before March 3rd 2008. The most compelling evidence I found on Orkut proving this is a new user created over night is - search results for users for username "cult free world" does not even find this user. Most likely because Orkut's cache has not yet picked it up. I have saved all the pages and search results. Admin: Either check at Orkut immediately or please request me if you need to see the print out of these evidences as overtime we will lose these in Orkut as cache updates and SP posts more material as CFW at Orkut .... doing sockuppettry even at Orkut. Duty2love (talk) 17:17, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- I am not going to teach you how to operate orkut, check out your privacy option, just FYI check out my communication in the same site, you are uselessly waisting everyone's time here, no-one on wikipedia is bothered about what is anyone doing outside wikipedia, and also there is no point guessing my identity, moreover you should also consider the security concerns that Shashwat might have, he has been receiving threats from this cult, which he has posted on the same site. In any case, I am least concerned about this nonsense.--talk-to-me! (talk) 17:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Doubly fishy. I just went through every single post on the Orkut Sahaj Marg forum User:Cult free world belongs to (from its inception until today) and there's not a single post from Cult free world, which supports the view that this was a hurredly-made account in response to this sock case. Renee (talk) 21:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- And his only friend in the entire Orkut world is *TA-DA* Shashwat Pandey! Dude - Your crimes against my intelligence just keep piling up! Marathi_Mulgaa (talk) 23:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Doubly fishy. I just went through every single post on the Orkut Sahaj Marg forum User:Cult free world belongs to (from its inception until today) and there's not a single post from Cult free world, which supports the view that this was a hurredly-made account in response to this sock case. Renee (talk) 21:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- I am not going to teach you how to operate orkut, check out your privacy option, just FYI check out my communication in the same site, you are uselessly waisting everyone's time here, no-one on wikipedia is bothered about what is anyone doing outside wikipedia, and also there is no point guessing my identity, moreover you should also consider the security concerns that Shashwat might have, he has been receiving threats from this cult, which he has posted on the same site. In any case, I am least concerned about this nonsense.--talk-to-me! (talk) 17:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Unmistakably, the same toxicity
- After two interactions I knew right away that Cult Free World was User:Shashwat Pandey. I had many interactions with him when he was a true new user on the Sahaj Marg pages over a year ago under my old user name. User:Marathi mulga It was a frustrating and unproductive exercise and I left. (I recently came back on and having forgotten my password, created a new user name nearly identical to my old).
- I can recognize Mr. Shashwat Pandey from a mile away - User Cult uses the same abrasive style, tone, dismissiveness, belittlement and stubborn refusal to collaborate as he did as Shashwat Pandey (See response above - This is a classic Shashwat response). He does not care if he's accurate or not, he only cares to continue his blog POV type rant. For example, User Renee has pointed out at least three times I think that he has the external links wrong, and he won't even collaborate on that (and that's binary ... It's either right or wrong!! All he does is accuse her of POV when she does care about getting it right). For the amount of sheer needless toxicity he introduces, this user needs to be banned permanently from wikipedia in particular, but also from all contact with other humans in general.Marathi_Mulgaa (talk) 22:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
- Conclusions