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*'''Strong Oppose''' Palestine is/was there for more than a thousan year. Temporary occupation doesn't change a thing. Also, if you say "there's no palestine" how can you say about "palestine territories"? Please note that many countries(most of the Israel's neighbors) do not think that "there's a country named Israel". They call it "occupied palestine". So, if someone starts removing articles start with Israel, what do you say to him/her? Please refine your POV, as it seems totally strange and agressive. In wikipedia we should assume good faith, unless it's obviously visible that it's not. |
*'''Strong Oppose''' Palestine is/was there for more than a thousan year. Temporary occupation doesn't change a thing. Also, if you say "there's no palestine" how can you say about "palestine territories"? Please note that many countries(most of the Israel's neighbors) do not think that "there's a country named Israel". They call it "occupied palestine". So, if someone starts removing articles start with Israel, what do you say to him/her? Please refine your POV, as it seems totally strange and agressive. In wikipedia we should assume good faith, unless it's obviously visible that it's not. |
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*'''Strong Oppose''' Palestine has existed for the milleniums whether the 10-12 editors that give Wikipedia its Likudnik slant continue to rule. As the founder of [[Citizendium]] opined, Wikipedia articles are often not by consensus but by the most persistent posters. And I would add organized. Are you listening, just look at the familiar names above? Best Wishes Will314159 12:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 12:34, 18 October 2006
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{{Richmond-ca-stub}}
Not in use, not well-named, not remotely numerically viable, not popular when mooted at WSS/P. Alai 05:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
{{Palestine-stub}}s
Category:Palestine stubs Should change to Palestinian National Authority stubs per WP:NPOV and policy, or West Bank and Gaza or something of the sort. Palestine as a country doesn't exist but only as a region which corresponds also with Israel and possibly Jordan, portions of Syria and Egypt etc. Putting a "Palestine" stubs on articles is extremely misleading and inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amoruso (talk • contribs)
- Oppose - keep as are. Palestine-stub deals with both the modern Palestinian Authority and the pre-1948 state of which it is the successor, as well as matters relating to Palestine and Palestinians which occurred in between these imes. To rename it would misrepresent what it is meant to deal with. Grutness...wha? 05:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Ehmm, there was no pre-1948 state called Palestine... --Leifern 21:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Maybe he mean western Jordan? What is called Palestine was in Jordan until 1967. Only if actually talking about Israel is 1948 meaning anything and there is already a name for that country.Opiner 00:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- I take it you're planning to nominate the Palestine (mandate) article as a hoax, then? Grutness...wha? 00:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- For better or for worse, there has never been a modern state in the area known as Palestine, including the Palestine Mandate, with the exception of Israel, and the Jordanian and Egyptian occupations. TewfikTalk 02:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- I take it you're planning to nominate the Palestine (mandate) article as a hoax, then? Grutness...wha? 00:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose. AFAIK, the PNA has authority over the Gaza Strip and around 40-50% of the West Bank. Not counting (Trans-)Jordan, the remaining part of the old British mandate outside of Israel's 1949 border is - internationally speaking - not recognized as Israeli territory but as territory under Israeli occupation. These two things are not the same and to me the current name seems more neutral than having to find some way stub wise to refer to the rest of the West Bank as an "Israeli military zone on the West Bank" which would seem to be the logical conclusion. The text doesn't use the term "Palestine" as such, but "Palestinian" which is already a deviation from our standard practice. The current situation seems like the lesser of two evils to me. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support Which Palestine? The region? Ottoman? British? Before? Jewish State? Arab State? Before 1917? After the Partition of Churchill? UN Partition? The territories? Transjordan? Modern-day Palestinians? It's all a different story. --Shamir1 00:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- The stub type is supposed to cover items relating to all of these. To give it the name of any one of these would be highly misleading.The fact that few of the items in here relate to anything other than current Palestinian issues is a problem relating to systemic bias in Wikipedia, not to any problems with the stub name. Does the proposed new name successfull cover such stubs as Malhis. Lubya, or Fadwa Toukan? Grutness...wha? 00:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Malhis and Fadwa Toukan, being from Nablus, would be covered. Lubya, being in Israel, is not covered by either tag. Palestinians are not the only group with a diaspora, and as such we can organise the articles in the same way as any other territory - if the subject in question isn't covered by the general stub template, then there is a good chance it wouldn't be covered if it instead referred to Botswana either. And if categories or other strategies can be employed to organise Botswana articles, we can do so here as well. TewfikTalk 02:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- The stub type is supposed to cover items relating to all of these. To give it the name of any one of these would be highly misleading.The fact that few of the items in here relate to anything other than current Palestinian issues is a problem relating to systemic bias in Wikipedia, not to any problems with the stub name. Does the proposed new name successfull cover such stubs as Malhis. Lubya, or Fadwa Toukan? Grutness...wha? 00:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support per nom Isarig 05:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support per nomination --Leifern 21:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support per nom; pray for a peaceful two state solution, but until then PA better than P. Elizmr
- Support per nom. Beit Or 21:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support per nom.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 22:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support per Shamir1 -- Avi 23:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support per nom. --tickle me 23:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support per nom.Opiner 00:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - the current names were chosen after a long series of discussions with Wikipedia editors from both Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and were seen as the best and most politically acceptable names to use, given the coverage intended for the items. If there are any suggestions of pro-Palestinian bias in the name, check the history of the template (you will see that much of the early work on it was done by User:IZAK, for instance - a leading member of the team working on Portal: Israel and Portal:Judaism). Given that there was considerable debate before deciding on the name, and this was the one name that seemed to satisfy most people, changing it would create more, not less, problems. Grutness...wha? 00:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Support per nom and my comments above, TewfikTalk 02:00, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose per Grutness above. These names are loaded with POV issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skapur (talk • contribs)
- Strong Support per nom. Kuratowski's Ghost 05:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Always nice to see so many new faces at SFD. :/ Now, if anyone can explain to me the nomination they're strongly supporting: if the category is being proposed for renaming, why is it not tagged, but the template is? What precisely is the proposed new name? (Hint: some lip service to the stub naming guidelines would be nice.) The parent category is Cat:Palestine: is that to be renamed too? Is it anticipated that this rename would involve a scope, and reparent? If so, to precisely what, in each case? Alai 06:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose Palestine is/was there for more than a thousan year. Temporary occupation doesn't change a thing. Also, if you say "there's no palestine" how can you say about "palestine territories"? Please note that many countries(most of the Israel's neighbors) do not think that "there's a country named Israel". They call it "occupied palestine". So, if someone starts removing articles start with Israel, what do you say to him/her? Please refine your POV, as it seems totally strange and agressive. In wikipedia we should assume good faith, unless it's obviously visible that it's not.
Hossein.ir 12:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose Palestine has existed for the milleniums whether the 10-12 editors that give Wikipedia its Likudnik slant continue to rule. As the founder of Citizendium opined, Wikipedia articles are often not by consensus but by the most persistent posters. And I would add organized. Are you listening, just look at the familiar names above? Best Wishes Will314159 12:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
By-decade country song stubs
- Cat:1930s country song stubs
- Cat:1940s country song stubs
- Cat:1950s country song stubs
- Cat:1960s country song stubs
- Cat:1970s country song stubs
- Cat:1980s country song stubs
- Cat:1990s country song stubs
- Cat:2000s country song stubs
Unproposed, and seriously undersized: the largest is a mighty six, and some are actually empty). There's no present need, as the parent would be around stubs even if these were all upmerged, which I recommend we do. Alai 00:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)