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:NadirAli has been also engaging in [[WP:MEAT]] puppetry for a topic banned sock called Towns Hill, since NadirAli can't himself write a proper sentence in English, no matter how much he tries,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=685768367&diff=prev][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=700676979&diff=prev][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2011_Pakistan_Rangers_shooting_incident&diff=prev&oldid=684804634][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=762976781&diff=prev][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=766691916&diff=prev] though he is capable of posting or restoring 10,000 - 32,000 bytes[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violence_against_women_during_the_partition_of_India&diff=816185912&oldid=815996657][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Balochistan&type=revision&diff=840316452&oldid=834234465] of contents on India Pakistan conflict-related articles that he never edited before, all for Towns Hill.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violence_against_women_during_the_partition_of_India&diff=next&oldid=778754447] |
:NadirAli has been also engaging in [[WP:MEAT]] puppetry for a topic banned sock called Towns Hill, since NadirAli can't himself write a proper sentence in English, no matter how much he tries,[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=685768367&diff=prev][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=700676979&diff=prev][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2011_Pakistan_Rangers_shooting_incident&diff=prev&oldid=684804634][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=762976781&diff=prev][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=766691916&diff=prev] though he is capable of posting or restoring 10,000 - 32,000 bytes[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violence_against_women_during_the_partition_of_India&diff=816185912&oldid=815996657][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_Balochistan&type=revision&diff=840316452&oldid=834234465] of contents on India Pakistan conflict-related articles that he never edited before, all for Towns Hill.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violence_against_women_during_the_partition_of_India&diff=next&oldid=778754447] |
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:To summarise, NadirAli has always socked and helped others evading their bans. The Arbcom removal of siteban and topic ban was a total mistake and NadirAli is considered as the most disruptive editor of this whole area who has been brought to ARE a number of times [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive221#NadirAli][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive217#NadirAli] and even in present version of ARE he is only showing why he needs a CIR block, though now that socking has been confirmed, there should be no reason to wait. Furthermore, NadirAli is also banned from uploading images[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NadirAli&diff=prev&oldid=754330764] and the account mentioned below has been abused to violate that restriction.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Posuydon] --[[User:RaviC|RaviC]] ([[User talk:RaviC|talk]]) 01:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC) |
:To summarise, NadirAli has always socked and helped others evading their bans. The Arbcom removal of siteban and topic ban was a total mistake and NadirAli is considered as the most disruptive editor of this whole area who has been brought to ARE a number of times [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive221#NadirAli][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive217#NadirAli] and even in present version of ARE he is only showing why he needs a CIR block, though now that socking has been confirmed, there should be no reason to wait. Furthermore, NadirAli is also banned from uploading images[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:NadirAli&diff=prev&oldid=754330764] and the account mentioned below has been abused to violate that restriction.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Posuydon] --[[User:RaviC|RaviC]] ([[User talk:RaviC|talk]]) 01:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC) |
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Boxman88 and NadirAli are indeed same. See these same edits: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=754164710][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=698566895][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=754296667], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=666701259][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=787559143&diff=prev] |
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A cursory look into the history of these articles heavily edited by NadirAli show that he has has abused the following IPs: |
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*{{IP|99.247.58.243}} |
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*{{IP|76.69.36.238}} |
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*{{IP|99.253.184.6}} |
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*{{IP|69.159.11.63}} |
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*{{IP|99.227.90.213}} |
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*{{IP|99.253.218.203}} |
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*{{IP|99.230.151.129}} |
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*{{IP|69.165.246.175}} |
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*{{IP|99.246.160.4}} |
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*{{IP|99.228.178.92}} |
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*{{IP|99.226.210.63}} |
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*{{IP|99.237.142.244}} |
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*{{IP|99.227.68.85}} |
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*{{IP|99.226.203.145}} |
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*{{IP|69.159.60.247}} |
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*{{IP|69.165.246.181}} |
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*{{IP|70.53.44.102}} |
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*{{IP|99.225.88.146}} |
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*{{IP|70.48.247.94}} |
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*{{IP|69.159.8.83}} |
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*{{IP|69.159.8.147}} |
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*{{IP|76.69.118.161}} |
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[[User:Lorstaking|Lorstaking]] ([[User talk:Lorstaking|talk]]) 11:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 11:51, 9 July 2018
NadirAli
- NadirAli (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Populated account categories: suspected
02 July 2018
– A checkuser has completed a check on relevant users in this case, and it is now awaiting administration and close.
Suspected sockpuppets
- Boxman88 (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
I am not sure how I should exactly describe this but Boxman88 started their editing on 29 June, only 4 hours before I had filed the earlier SPI.[1] Account was not editing for more than 9 months until 29 June.
Account was created in April 2015 for evading topic ban from South Asia on NadirAli, which was lifted during December 2015. Overlap is massive between these two accounts, their editing pattern is same, interests are same. Both make edits mostly without using any edit summary. In previous SPI, I had documented that NadirAli was socking massively ever since he was site banned. His IPs geolocate in Central Toronto, Canada, and Boxman88 also cites "books.google.ca",[2] just like Nadirali,[3] which shows he is in Canada.
- Asks for "assistance" at Help desk saying:
- Uses similar phrases on talk pages:
- Boxman88's edit on Desi[6] restores content of an old version, spreading criticism of the term. NadirAli dislikes this term too per his comment on Talk:Desi.[7]
- Made same edits on Languages of the Indian subcontinent; Boxman88 added a number of "see" links concerning "Languages of (India, Nepal, Pakistan, Maldives, Sri Lanka)" countries,[8] NadirAli turns up later and adds a number of categories concerning Languages of same countries.[9]
- Made same edits on Dari language, replacing "[[Urdu]], [[Hindi]]" with "[[Hindustani language|Hindustani]]" in the same section, without using any edit summary.[10][11] NadirAli later even edit warred over it.[12]
- Makes similar edits on multiple pages, saying same thing: Boxman88: cant be if it's paramilitary (while removing "Pakistan Armed Forces" link from Pakistan Coast Guards) and non-paramilitary (while removing "Pakistan Army" link from Paramilitary forces of Pakistan)
- Adding content about "dish" on Pakistan–Russia relations.[19][20]
- On Iranian peoples both accounts promoted "Baloch" ethnicity.[23][24]
- Spends excessive amount of time on adding external links in further reading section of articles: [25][26][27][28][29] (using same formatting)
- Edited the redirect page Hindustani literature, making similar edits: [35]
- Thanks Kautilya3 on his talk page for "warning" him about the ARBIPA sanctions:
- On Urdu literature, Boxman88 and NadirAli added "Hindustani literature"[36] (no edit summary) and "Hindustani orthography"[37] (no edit summary).
- Boxman88 adds content on Pakistan–Russia relations and NadirAli turns up the next day on this page and fills in bare references.[42][43]
- Updates "Notable operations and controversial incidents" section on Pakistan Rangers, adding similar anti-rangers content: [44][45][46] Here, NadirAli used his sock[47] (same IP that I had reported here earlier) to restore content that was added by Boxman88 when it was removed.[48]
I can keep adding but this should be enough for CU and behavioral evaluation as sock puppetry seems to be too obvious here. My Lord (talk) 11:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Comments by other users
Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.
- The below accounts as well as Boxman88 are all NadirAli. There is no end of similarities with these accounts. Especially Boxman88, that was created on 20 April 2015 because NadirAli was going through a WP:AN report [49] that was started which was about NadirAli's topic ban violation. Boxman88 was created for evading that topic ban and NadirAli has abused many IPs to evade his topic ban. NadirAli and Boxman88 prefers to censor "India" and "Indian subcontinent" given his hatred towards the country and refers to the Indian subcontinent as "the subcontinent".[50][51]
- NadirAli has been also engaging in WP:MEAT puppetry for a topic banned sock called Towns Hill, since NadirAli can't himself write a proper sentence in English, no matter how much he tries,[52][53][54][55][56] though he is capable of posting or restoring 10,000 - 32,000 bytes[57][58] of contents on India Pakistan conflict-related articles that he never edited before, all for Towns Hill.[59]
- To summarise, NadirAli has always socked and helped others evading their bans. The Arbcom removal of siteban and topic ban was a total mistake and NadirAli is considered as the most disruptive editor of this whole area who has been brought to ARE a number of times [60][61] and even in present version of ARE he is only showing why he needs a CIR block, though now that socking has been confirmed, there should be no reason to wait. Furthermore, NadirAli is also banned from uploading images[62] and the account mentioned below has been abused to violate that restriction.[63] --RaviC (talk) 01:06, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Boxman88 and NadirAli are indeed same. See these same edits: [64][65][66], [67][68]
A cursory look into the history of these articles heavily edited by NadirAli show that he has has abused the following IPs:
- 99.247.58.243 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 76.69.36.238 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.253.184.6 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 69.159.11.63 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.227.90.213 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.253.218.203 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.230.151.129 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 69.165.246.175 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.246.160.4 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.228.178.92 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.226.210.63 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.237.142.244 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.227.68.85 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.226.203.145 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 69.159.60.247 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 69.165.246.181 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 70.53.44.102 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 99.225.88.146 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 70.48.247.94 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 69.159.8.83 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 69.159.8.147 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
- 76.69.118.161 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
Lorstaking (talk) 11:51, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
The first obvious thing to say is that User:NadirAli has clearly been editing while logged out. This is to an extent you couldn't describe as accidental, and includes subjects such as the Kashmir dispute along with the Star Wars stuff. I understand that NadirAli is under a restriction which states that 'Nadirali may not edit from any Wikipedia account other than "Nadirali", nor edit anonymously, without the express prior permission of an arbitrator or a checkuser.'[69] If there is a defence for this result, now would be a good time for Nadirali to mention it.
The checkuser data for Boxman88 is extremely limited and doesn't provide a direct connection to NadirAli. However there are some other things to consider. There are some technical similarities which makes it possible. Additionally the following two accounts are confirmed to each other:
- Boxman88 (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Posuydon (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
There is a clear overlap with the latter account in the history of Science fantasy. There is also extensive logged-out editing from this set, which again includes Pakistan-India along with the Star Wars stuff. -- zzuuzz (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2018 (UTC)