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**'''Question''' - what is the likelihood that above user is the same as [[User:Lagoo sab]]? [[User:Magog the Ogre|Magog the Ogre]] ([[User talk:Magog the Ogre|talk]]) 16:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC) |
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AmandaParker
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26 April 2012
- Suspected sockpuppets
- McKhan (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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There is a discussion ongoing at Al-Ahbash concerning a reverted edit, and User:McKhan suddenly joins the conversation to support User:AmandaParker. I do not know if they are sockpuppets or meatpuppets, but both of these editors are single purpose accounts that focus almost exclusively on this article; both editors use the talk page to support one another's comments without exception; both editors show WP:OWN behavior by stating that a consensus on the talk page is required before making any edits to the article; both editors tag team their reverts to avoid the appearance of edit warring and both resort to personal attacks when the discussion is not as they want it to be (I can't find a diff for User:AmandaParker, however the user's use of personal attacks was noted by the closing admin in the previous SPI) This edit suggests that User:AmandaParker perhaps logged out in order to use another account, I don't see too many other reasons why the editor would have logged out in the middle of making edits, they were logged in both before and after the IP edit. SudoGhost 07:35, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm also not the only editor to suspect a connection between the two accounts. After looking into it, the similarity between the two accounts appears to go back to 2006, concerning the same article. On 8 April 2006 McKhan was blocked for violating 3RR on Al-Ahbash. His next edit was to continue a revert war on the article, but instead of risk 3RR, AmandaParker comes along and makes her first edit, which is identical to McKhan's edit. - SudoGhost 11:15, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
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- From what I can see, it seems far too obvious for this not to be sockpuppetry, but Additional information needed: can you show that AmandaParker made no edits between the time of their previous edit, and the edit where they replaced the IP signature as this may show that they were using another account? Is it also possible to provide a diff for McKhan between these times too? Osarius Talk 10:05, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Forgive me, but I'm not 100% sure of what you're asking, but comparing the contribs of User:AmandaParker and the IP I believe shows what you're asking for, but if that's not what you're asking for, could you please clarify? Comparing the times of the IP's edit and AmandaParker's contribs show no editing within that short time frame. It seems to suggest that the editor logged out to switch accounts, and somehow got mixed up and submitted that comment while logged out, logged back in to correct it, and comment two more times before switching accounts. I can't think of any other reason to log out in the middle of a discussion. (Also, it seems the editor has opened a retaliatory SPI against me) - SudoGhost 10:14, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- The SPI the user opened appears to reveal another similarity between the two accounts; an odd placement of extremely frequent commas "Sudo, I, seriously, couldn't care less..." and "As soon as, I reverted some edits done by Baboon43, suddenly, SudoGhost joins..." (this is the first time the user referred to me as "SudoGhost", on the article's talk page both accounts referred to me as Sudo) - SudoGhost 10:20, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Apologies, I realise that my wording was not very clear. Can you show that McKhan made an edit(s) between the time of this edit and AmandaParker's previous edit? Osarius Talk 10:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, now I understand. McKhan did not make any edits in that window of time, but I believe that logging out and commenting as the IP may have been a mistake as the result of trying to switch between accounts, and logged back in and added the signature to correct this. Then to avoid outright suspicion made two more edits as AmandaParker before switching accounts (either that or wanted to reply to specific points that had been made in the interim addressed to that account). However, I don't think the IP slip up is the primary indicator by any means, I didn't even notice it until going through the contribs; I think the behavioral similarities and diffs are more prominent indicators. - SudoGhost 10:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- No, of course behavioural similarities are key to SPI, but subtle edits and mistakes such as this one you uncovered can be vital information. By the looks of it, both users have been trouble editors since 2005/6, but here's a thing: AmandaParker appears to have been mostly unused until the time of this discussion, where McKhan has been used throughout - a sign of account preferism. They have similar behavioural characteristics too. To me, it's likely, but we shall see what the closing admin thinks. Osarius Talk 11:09, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Ah, now I understand. McKhan did not make any edits in that window of time, but I believe that logging out and commenting as the IP may have been a mistake as the result of trying to switch between accounts, and logged back in and added the signature to correct this. Then to avoid outright suspicion made two more edits as AmandaParker before switching accounts (either that or wanted to reply to specific points that had been made in the interim addressed to that account). However, I don't think the IP slip up is the primary indicator by any means, I didn't even notice it until going through the contribs; I think the behavioral similarities and diffs are more prominent indicators. - SudoGhost 10:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Apologies, I realise that my wording was not very clear. Can you show that McKhan made an edit(s) between the time of this edit and AmandaParker's previous edit? Osarius Talk 10:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- The SPI the user opened appears to reveal another similarity between the two accounts; an odd placement of extremely frequent commas "Sudo, I, seriously, couldn't care less..." and "As soon as, I reverted some edits done by Baboon43, suddenly, SudoGhost joins..." (this is the first time the user referred to me as "SudoGhost", on the article's talk page both accounts referred to me as Sudo) - SudoGhost 10:20, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Forgive me, but I'm not 100% sure of what you're asking, but comparing the contribs of User:AmandaParker and the IP I believe shows what you're asking for, but if that's not what you're asking for, could you please clarify? Comparing the times of the IP's edit and AmandaParker's contribs show no editing within that short time frame. It seems to suggest that the editor logged out to switch accounts, and somehow got mixed up and submitted that comment while logged out, logged back in to correct it, and comment two more times before switching accounts. I can't think of any other reason to log out in the middle of a discussion. (Also, it seems the editor has opened a retaliatory SPI against me) - SudoGhost 10:14, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Along with your evidence provided with your edit of 11:15 today, this SPI case seems confirmed. Osarius Talk 11:58, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- I have been asked on my Talk Page to respond. So, here is my response: Wikipedia is a paradise and haven for Pedophiles, Perverts, Amateurs, Pseudo-Scholars, Agenda-pushers, Wanna-be-Academics, Egoistics, Control-freaks, Teen-agers and Bloggers .etc. Its "anybody-can-edit" approach is a tantamount to the prositution of facts, subjects and the realities on the ground. Wikipedia Guidelines and policies are just the tools to facilitate that prositution. Consequently, Neutral Point of View (NPOV) is a child which was born dead from the day it was conceived by its founder. And this child will remain dead, no matter how much money, resources and exposure is poured by the companies like Google, Yahoo .etc on its coffin. Having said that I know a lot more about the Ahbash / AICP / Habashies than all of you combined on this page which is apparently is not good enough for Wikipedia as it only entertains people like Sudo who keep on prostituting the Wikipedia guidelines and policies to satisfy their egoistic tendencies and YET know nothing about the subjects they claim to "edit." That's what we call Wikipedia Cluster Fuck. McKhan (talk)
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Osarius, I've removed the likely and confirmed templates you've used to avoid any confusion for people reviewing this case. TNXMan 14:04, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Confirmed the following are the same:
- McKhan (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- AmandaParker (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Kakazai Pashtun (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) TNXMan 14:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
- Question - what is the likelihood that above user is the same as User:Lagoo sab? Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)