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I do not operate the account [[User:Flroian River]], nor do I know who operates it. Having just saved my recent IP addresses, I am willing to send them to a Checkuser, if that is helpful. |
I do not operate the account [[User:Flroian River]], nor do I know who operates it. Having just saved my recent IP addresses, I am willing to send them to a Checkuser, if that is helpful. |
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Here is a chronology which hopefully helps to understand what had happened, according to my investigation: New user {{User|Flroian River}} edits the article on the East German [[Lothar Bisky]], quoting from a book by [[Hubertus Knabe]] and creating an [[Die Täter sind unter uns: Über das Schönreden der SED-Diktatur|article on Knabe's book]]. He also goes to the Local Embassy page, and dares to remove/criticize Hebrew as last edit of his day/night. A few minutes later, {{User|Seb az86556}} notices the removal, and then goes after Flroian's contribs, reverting at Bisky with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lothar_Bisky&diff=316386649&oldid=314684466 ''rv POV and WP:UNDUE''], then [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Die_T%C3%A4ter_sind_unter_uns:_%C3%9Cber_das_Sch%C3%B6nreden_der_SED-Diktatur&diff=prev&oldid=316388353 nominating the book article for deletion]. Apparently, during his investigation of German matters, Seb comes across the article West Germany and decides to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Germany&diff=prev&oldid=316404202 revert] there, which is then countered by me, and re-reverted by {{User|Jacurek}}, a Polish user about whom Sandstein and Arbcom probably have something to say, if asked. |
Here is a chronology which hopefully helps to understand what had happened, according to my investigation: New user {{User|Flroian River}} edits the article on the East German [[Lothar Bisky]], quoting from a book by [[Hubertus Knabe]] and creating an [[Die Täter sind unter uns: Über das Schönreden der SED-Diktatur|article on Knabe's book]]. He also goes to the Local Embassy page, and dares to remove/criticize Hebrew as last edit of his day/night. A few minutes later, {{User|Seb az86556}} notices the removal, and then goes after Flroian's contribs, reverting at Bisky with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lothar_Bisky&diff=316386649&oldid=314684466 ''rv POV and WP:UNDUE''], then [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Die_T%C3%A4ter_sind_unter_uns:_%C3%9Cber_das_Sch%C3%B6nreden_der_SED-Diktatur&diff=prev&oldid=316388353 nominating the book article for deletion]. Apparently, during his investigation of German matters, Seb comes across the article West Germany and decides to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Germany&diff=prev&oldid=316404202 revert] there, which is then countered by me, and re-reverted by {{User|Jacurek}}, a Polish user about whom Sandstein and [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Eastern European mailing list|Arbcom]] probably have something to say, if asked. |
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In the evening (in Germany, where I reside), Flroian returns and undoes the edits of Seb. The rest is, as they say, (edit) history, with both going after each other. In the meantime, noticing the mess at West Germany, I'm looking around, too, wondering who is doing what and where and why, making no less than 14 edits on talk pages in the process. In between these talk edits, I made only one article edit: another revert at West Germany, for which I all of a sudden got blocked, for editwarring, by {{User|Rjanag}} who, after gotten tipped off by Jacurek falsely claiming that I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rjanag&diff=prev&oldid=316581444 ''cannot revert more than once''], erroneously assumed that I had violated a 1RR restriction issued by Sandstein months ago for Eastern Europe related pages - which obviously does not extend to West Germany. With neither Rjanag nor Sandstein being helpful, it took over |
In the evening (in Germany, where I reside), Flroian returns and undoes the edits of Seb. The rest is, as they say, (edit) history, with both going after each other. In the meantime, noticing the mess at West Germany, I'm looking around, too, wondering who is doing what and where and why, making no less than 14 edits on talk pages in the process. In between these talk edits, I made only one article edit: another revert at West Germany, for which I all of a sudden got blocked, for editwarring, by {{User|Rjanag}} who, after gotten tipped off by Jacurek falsely claiming that I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rjanag&diff=prev&oldid=316581444 ''cannot revert more than once''], erroneously assumed that I had violated a 1RR restriction issued by Sandstein months ago for Eastern Europe related pages - which obviously does not extend to West Germany. With neither Rjanag nor Sandstein being helpful, it took over 34 hours before I eventually got unblocked by a third admin. |
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Sandstein is false in stating ''"Flroian River stopped editing as soon as Matthead was blocked on Sep. 27"'' as he had stopped hours earlier. His last edit was on "22:04, 27 September 2009" (as displayed for me, in CEST) at [[Elisabeth Hevelius]]. My edits, in that context, started at 21:27, 27 September 2009, when I edited [[Talk:West Germany]], then, after some edits conflicts as new sections had been added by others, 21:59, 27 September 2009 at [[Wikipedia talk:Local Embassy]]. I made 15 more edits in the 3 hours after Flroian's last edit, with the block being logged as beginning at 01:24, 28 September 2009. |
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After I noticed that Seb az86556 had edited Germany-related articles (Bisky, the book and its the deletion nomination, West Germany) in a manner I perceived as less than constructive, I noticed that from 5 languages remaining at Local Embassy, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ALocal_Embassy&diff=316543669&oldid=316543484 he singled out German] in the section about the inclusion of Hebrew added by Flroian. That's I when I decided to step in to put things in perspective, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ALocal_Embassy&diff=316551265&oldid=316549815 adding] facts rather than opinion (which I did in the new RfC section [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Local_Embassy&diff=next&oldid=316551265]). For example, when the inclusion of German was questioned, I pointed out that even [[Alemannic German]] has more speakers than Hebrew. BTW, both me and Sandstein self-identify on the user pages as native speakers of (different) Alemannic German subdialects (plus Standard German). Sandstein, in English, claims ''"Flroian River also edit-warred to remove Hebrew language text from the Wikipedia:Local Embassy header ([3]), and was supported in this by Matthead ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Local_Embassy&diff=prev&oldid=316551265 4])"''. While "this" could be understood as referring to "edit-warred" or "remove Hebrew", in fact neither meaning is backed up with the diff. Another false claim by Sandstein. |
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As of the time of the first of Flroian's (in total three) reverts at West Germany, at 21:02, 27 September 2009, I had not done anything in his interest other than reverting his foe Seb, more than 12 hours earlier. In his next two reverts, he added summaries, stating ''"a consensus that this info box shall not be included"''. In fact, after I had removed the infobox in early September, this was not challenged by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=West_Germany&diff=315724449&oldid=311536801 several editors] within more than three weeks, which can be considered consensus. |
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The only thing which is somewhat inexplicable to me is why Flroian picked [[Elisabeth Hevelius]] for a single revert at an unrelated article. Maybe he noticed my new talk edits, approved of them, and looked up my contribs? Anyway, as Sandstein has "very strong behavioral evidence", he may tell us before he blocks somebody. |
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Revision as of 03:21, 30 September 2009
Matthead
- Matthead (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Prior SSP or RFCU cases may exist for this user:
Report date September 29 2009, 22:01 (UTC)
- Suspected sockpuppets
- Flroian River (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Evidence submitted by Sandstein
There is very strong behavioral evidence linking this new account, created Sep. 26, to Matthead. Its pattern and style of contributions are not those of a new user. Flroian River edit-warred jointly with Matthead on West Germany (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (e.g. [1]), and also reverted to Matthead's preferred version on Elisabeth Hevelius (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) ([2]). Flroian River also edit-warred to remove Hebrew language text from the Wikipedia:Local Embassy header ([3]), and was supported in this by Matthead ([4]). Flroian River stopped editing as soon as Matthead was blocked on Sep. 27 ([5]).
Before I block Matthead for this sockpuppetry, I would appreciate checkuser evaluation. Sandstein 22:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- Comments by accused parties See Defending yourself against claims.
I do not operate the account User:Flroian River, nor do I know who operates it. Having just saved my recent IP addresses, I am willing to send them to a Checkuser, if that is helpful.
Here is a chronology which hopefully helps to understand what had happened, according to my investigation: New user Flroian River (talk · contribs) edits the article on the East German Lothar Bisky, quoting from a book by Hubertus Knabe and creating an article on Knabe's book. He also goes to the Local Embassy page, and dares to remove/criticize Hebrew as last edit of his day/night. A few minutes later, Seb az86556 (talk · contribs) notices the removal, and then goes after Flroian's contribs, reverting at Bisky with rv POV and WP:UNDUE, then nominating the book article for deletion. Apparently, during his investigation of German matters, Seb comes across the article West Germany and decides to revert there, which is then countered by me, and re-reverted by Jacurek (talk · contribs), a Polish user about whom Sandstein and Arbcom probably have something to say, if asked.
In the evening (in Germany, where I reside), Flroian returns and undoes the edits of Seb. The rest is, as they say, (edit) history, with both going after each other. In the meantime, noticing the mess at West Germany, I'm looking around, too, wondering who is doing what and where and why, making no less than 14 edits on talk pages in the process. In between these talk edits, I made only one article edit: another revert at West Germany, for which I all of a sudden got blocked, for editwarring, by Rjanag (talk · contribs) who, after gotten tipped off by Jacurek falsely claiming that I cannot revert more than once, erroneously assumed that I had violated a 1RR restriction issued by Sandstein months ago for Eastern Europe related pages - which obviously does not extend to West Germany. With neither Rjanag nor Sandstein being helpful, it took over 34 hours before I eventually got unblocked by a third admin.
Sandstein is false in stating "Flroian River stopped editing as soon as Matthead was blocked on Sep. 27" as he had stopped hours earlier. His last edit was on "22:04, 27 September 2009" (as displayed for me, in CEST) at Elisabeth Hevelius. My edits, in that context, started at 21:27, 27 September 2009, when I edited Talk:West Germany, then, after some edits conflicts as new sections had been added by others, 21:59, 27 September 2009 at Wikipedia talk:Local Embassy. I made 15 more edits in the 3 hours after Flroian's last edit, with the block being logged as beginning at 01:24, 28 September 2009.
After I noticed that Seb az86556 had edited Germany-related articles (Bisky, the book and its the deletion nomination, West Germany) in a manner I perceived as less than constructive, I noticed that from 5 languages remaining at Local Embassy, he singled out German in the section about the inclusion of Hebrew added by Flroian. That's I when I decided to step in to put things in perspective, adding facts rather than opinion (which I did in the new RfC section [6]). For example, when the inclusion of German was questioned, I pointed out that even Alemannic German has more speakers than Hebrew. BTW, both me and Sandstein self-identify on the user pages as native speakers of (different) Alemannic German subdialects (plus Standard German). Sandstein, in English, claims "Flroian River also edit-warred to remove Hebrew language text from the Wikipedia:Local Embassy header ([3]), and was supported in this by Matthead (4)". While "this" could be understood as referring to "edit-warred" or "remove Hebrew", in fact neither meaning is backed up with the diff. Another false claim by Sandstein.
As of the time of the first of Flroian's (in total three) reverts at West Germany, at 21:02, 27 September 2009, I had not done anything in his interest other than reverting his foe Seb, more than 12 hours earlier. In his next two reverts, he added summaries, stating "a consensus that this info box shall not be included". In fact, after I had removed the infobox in early September, this was not challenged by several editors within more than three weeks, which can be considered consensus.
The only thing which is somewhat inexplicable to me is why Flroian picked Elisabeth Hevelius for a single revert at an unrelated article. Maybe he noticed my new talk edits, approved of them, and looked up my contribs? Anyway, as Sandstein has "very strong behavioral evidence", he may tell us before he blocks somebody.
- Comments by other users
Could you please get off me?! I did not "tip" anyone. You were the one you started to shop around and complain about me[[7]] I only pointed out the fact that you are not a problem free editor in my own defense, not even asking to block you or anything. The administrator who unblocked you[8] (Fut.Perf.) is not a neutral administrator because he is involved as a party in a EE mailing list and made highly biased acusations against be in your defense[9]. He already threatened me with lengthy block[10] and I'm afraid to even comment on his behavior. Also Germany is related to Eastern Europe since was divided into EAST and WEST for over 4 decades. Half of Germany was a member of the Eastern Bloc and is related to E.E. Now please live me alone.--Jacurek (talk) 00:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Let's drop it for now; this is not the appropriate place to continue this dispute, it's just a place to file and enact a CheckUser request. Since the request has already been accepted, there's little for you to discuss here; more importantly, your comment above is totally unrelated to the sockpuppetting accusations, and is more a behavioral concern, which would be better addressed at a different forum if it needs to be addressed at all. Unless you have a comment about whether or not Matthead and Flroian are the same person, there's no need to comment at all. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 01:07, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Believe me Rjanag, I want to drop it very much. He just keeps bringing my name over and over everywhere. I'm responding only in me defense. I don't want to have anything to do with this anymore.--Jacurek (talk) 01:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- You don't have to respond. You can just ignore him. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 01:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Believe me Rjanag, I want to drop it very much. He just keeps bringing my name over and over everywhere. I'm responding only in me defense. I don't want to have anything to do with this anymore.--Jacurek (talk) 01:13, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- CheckUser requests
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- Checkuser request – code letter: D + F (3RR using socks and another reason)
- Current status – Endorsed for Checkuser attention. Requested by Sandstein 22:01, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
- Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
- Conclusions