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As I have already made clear in several other places, I have been editing Wikipedia on and off for something like ten years. At one time, with an account, for which I no longer have the password. I only edit occasionally now, as an IP as Wikipedia policy permits. I have come to expect the occasional accusation of sockpuppetry if I ever make any sort of post suggesting that I might know how Wikipedia works, but I've before never been subject to such relentless accusations (in multiple places, few of them appropriate) from someone who's entire justification for doing so seems to be based on me disagreeing with them. If anyone deserves sanctioning here, it is Tenebrae. But whatever, go ahead checkuser me. Make your 'behavioural' assessment. And then tell Tenebrae to find someone else to obsess over, once you reach the only conclusion that the evidence can possibly support. Or change Wikipedia policy so IPs can't edit at all, and that self-proclaimed (but unidentified) 'experts' should be left to concoct biographies by cherry-picking sources and ignoring their substance. The Kloots article is frankly, crap, concocted out of sources that focus almost entirely on the one subject that the article almost fails to mention at all - the reason Kloots has come to public notice. Tenebrae appears to be capable of writing better biographies than this. Indeed, I'm quite sure that Tenebrae would be capable of improving this one, if he/she wasn't using the talk page as a platform to expound on his/her 'expertise', and showed the slightest inclination to actually collaborate with other people. [[Special:Contributions/165.120.15.66|165.120.15.66]] ([[User talk:165.120.15.66|talk]]) 19:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC) |
As I have already made clear in several other places, I have been editing Wikipedia on and off for something like ten years. At one time, with an account, for which I no longer have the password. I only edit occasionally now, as an IP as Wikipedia policy permits. I have come to expect the occasional accusation of sockpuppetry if I ever make any sort of post suggesting that I might know how Wikipedia works, but I've before never been subject to such relentless accusations (in multiple places, few of them appropriate) from someone who's entire justification for doing so seems to be based on me disagreeing with them. If anyone deserves sanctioning here, it is Tenebrae. But whatever, go ahead checkuser me. Make your 'behavioural' assessment. And then tell Tenebrae to find someone else to obsess over, once you reach the only conclusion that the evidence can possibly support. Or change Wikipedia policy so IPs can't edit at all, and that self-proclaimed (but unidentified) 'experts' should be left to concoct biographies by cherry-picking sources and ignoring their substance. The Kloots article is frankly, crap, concocted out of sources that focus almost entirely on the one subject that the article almost fails to mention at all - the reason Kloots has come to public notice. Tenebrae appears to be capable of writing better biographies than this. Indeed, I'm quite sure that Tenebrae would be capable of improving this one, if he/she wasn't using the talk page as a platform to expound on his/her 'expertise', and showed the slightest inclination to actually collaborate with other people. [[Special:Contributions/165.120.15.66|165.120.15.66]] ([[User talk:165.120.15.66|talk]]) 19:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:Methinks thou dost protest too much. It's natural, of course, to deny the charge — but don't try to make this about me. Your anti-Tenebrae rant has nothing to do with the evidence I presented. |
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:I would additionally note: You say you've been on Wikipedia "for something like ten years." KyleJoan's oldest posts are from 2008, or 12 years, so the same ballpark. Also, I've seen socks argue with themselves on talk pages in order to try to throw investigators off the scent.--[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 21:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC) |
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KyleJoan
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17 December 2020
Suspected sockpuppets
- KyleJoan (talk · · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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First, let me note that an SPI may have been opened into this anon IP previously, but I could find no archive of it.
After first editing on 5-7 Dec with three posts, 165.120.15.66 after five days suddenly began taking KyleJoan's side at Talk:Amanda Kloots — where virtually all of this IP's edits have been made. This IP's activity occurs in separate, non-intersecting blocks as KyleJoan's, the closest being a single instance of 11 minutes apart. Here are both editors' history for two days:
165.120.15.66
- 23:05, 15 December 2020 diff hist +272 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 22:51, 15 December 2020 diff hist +180 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 19:00, 15 December 2020 diff hist +52 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 18:56, 15 December 2020 diff hist +1,356 Talk:Amanda Kloots
Kyle Joan
- 07:25, 15 December 2020 diff hist +718 User talk:KyleJoan
- 07:10, 15 December 2020 diff hist −38 m User talk:KyleJoan
- 07:07, 15 December 2020 diff hist +83 User talk:KyleJoan
- 07:01, 15 December 2020 diff hist +78 User talk:KyleJoan
- 06:55, 15 December 2020 diff hist −2 m User talk:KyleJoan
- 06:55, 15 December 2020 diff hist 0 Jude Law
- 06:50, 15 December 2020 diff hist +1,850 User talk:KyleJoan
165.120.15.66
- 06:34, 15 December 2020 diff hist +695 Talk:Malacca
- 06:27, 15 December 2020 diff hist −125 Malacca
Kyle Joan
- 06:13, 15 December 2020 diff hist −97 Kehlani
165.120.15.66
- 06:04, 15 December 2020 diff hist +696 Talk:Amanda Kloots
Kyle Joan
- 05:57, 15 December 2020 diff hist −3 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 05:49, 15 December 2020 diff hist −23 Nicole Richie
- 05:48, 15 December 2020 diff hist +4 m Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 05:43, 15 December 2020 diff hist +911 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 04:58, 15 December 2020 diff hist +326 The National (band)
- 04:21, 15 December 2020 diff hist −74 Jude Law
165.120.15.66
- 03:52, 15 December 2020 diff hist +681 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 03:29, 15 December 2020 diff hist +534 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 03:00, 15 December 2020 diff hist +1,580 Talk:Amanda Kloots
Kyle Joan
- 02:34, 15 December 2020 diff hist −1 m User talk:Jehochman
- 02:24, 15 December 2020 diff hist +931 User talk:Jehochman
- 02:05, 15 December 2020 diff hist +1,140 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 02:02, 15 December 2020 diff hist +472 User talk:Tenebrae
- 01:24, 15 December 2020 diff hist −99 Laura Dern
- 01:22, 15 December 2020 diff hist −111 Florence Pugh
- 01:20, 15 December 2020 diff hist +572 User talk:KyleJoan
165.120.15.66
- 00:52, 15 December 2020 diff hist −460 Strait of Malacca
- 00:44, 15 December 2020 diff hist +3 Strait of Malacca
- 00:18, 15 December 2020 diff hist +595 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 22:45, 14 December 2020 diff hist +843 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 22:24, 14 December 2020 diff hist +464 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 21:15, 14 December 2020 diff hist +448 Talk:Amanda Kloots
KyleJoan
- 11:46, 14 December 2020 diff hist −20 Hustlers (film)
- 06:13, 14 December 2020 diff hist −3 Elizabeth Olsen
- 06:08, 14 December 2020 diff hist −21 Elizabeth Olsen
- 06:05, 14 December 2020 diff hist −606 Elizabeth Olsen
- 05:46, 14 December 2020 diff hist +936 Talk:Little Women (2019 film)
- 04:19, 14 December 2020 diff hist +1,367 Talk:Little Women (2019 film)
- 03:23, 14 December 2020 diff hist +1,058 Elizabeth Olsen
- 02:45, 14 December 2020 diff hist +1 m Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 02:31, 14 December 2020 diff hist +1,379 Talk:Amanda Kloots
- 02:06, 14 December 2020 diff hist +548 Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure
- 01:28, 14 December 2020 diff hist −758 Kenny Omega
KyleJoan keeps tabs on this IP, for example cherrypicking a comment made to that IP, along with a comment made to KyleJoan, here. (See at 07:25, 15 December 2020 and a subsequent response by me.)
More telling is how both KyleJoan and the IP Talk:Amanda Kloots fixate on a definition of "television personality" that no dictionary supports. That's an oddly specific argument. As examples: the IP here, and KyleJoan here.
While perhaps this is all coincidence, I feel there is reasonable evidence to present a case. Thank you.-- Tenebrae (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Comments by other users
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This is nonsense. It is the same nonsense that was posted in the last sockpuppet investigation claiming that I am KyleJoan. An investigation closed after it was assessed as baseless, and filed by a sockpuppet. I am not KyleJoan. I disagree fundamentally with the way KyleJoan has edited in relation to the Amanda Kloots article, as should be self-evident from my comments on the article talk page. Read them.
Tenebrae, who seems to have something of an obsession with the issue that initially brought me to respond to an RfC regarding the article - the appropriateness or otherwise of including the name and birthdate of a minor in an article concerning someone else - has since chosen to hand out lectures on the talk page regarding how he/she as a journalist (or someone who claims to be a journalist - obviously I have no way of knowing, though I don't think that Wikipedia policy would consider it significant anyway) has the right to determine article content. And has chosen to disrupt further discussion with off-topic commentary. And I'd further note that Tenebrae hasn't just been lecturing me - he/she has also been badgering other contributors to the RfC, and on the talk page generally.
As I have already made clear in several other places, I have been editing Wikipedia on and off for something like ten years. At one time, with an account, for which I no longer have the password. I only edit occasionally now, as an IP as Wikipedia policy permits. I have come to expect the occasional accusation of sockpuppetry if I ever make any sort of post suggesting that I might know how Wikipedia works, but I've before never been subject to such relentless accusations (in multiple places, few of them appropriate) from someone who's entire justification for doing so seems to be based on me disagreeing with them. If anyone deserves sanctioning here, it is Tenebrae. But whatever, go ahead checkuser me. Make your 'behavioural' assessment. And then tell Tenebrae to find someone else to obsess over, once you reach the only conclusion that the evidence can possibly support. Or change Wikipedia policy so IPs can't edit at all, and that self-proclaimed (but unidentified) 'experts' should be left to concoct biographies by cherry-picking sources and ignoring their substance. The Kloots article is frankly, crap, concocted out of sources that focus almost entirely on the one subject that the article almost fails to mention at all - the reason Kloots has come to public notice. Tenebrae appears to be capable of writing better biographies than this. Indeed, I'm quite sure that Tenebrae would be capable of improving this one, if he/she wasn't using the talk page as a platform to expound on his/her 'expertise', and showed the slightest inclination to actually collaborate with other people. 165.120.15.66 (talk) 19:21, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
- Methinks thou dost protest too much. It's natural, of course, to deny the charge — but don't try to make this about me. Your anti-Tenebrae rant has nothing to do with the evidence I presented.
- I would additionally note: You say you've been on Wikipedia "for something like ten years." KyleJoan's oldest posts are from 2008, or 12 years, so the same ballpark. Also, I've seen socks argue with themselves on talk pages in order to try to throw investigators off the scent.--Tenebrae (talk) 21:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)