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These inquisitions are growing tiring - If this is the best merzbow can offer, i'd hate to read his other contributions. Time and date correlations is a weak argument. Yes, we all know about multiple ISP's, but no IP addresses have been linked. I've taken the suggestions of other admins and have ventured to other topics. |
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Evidence presented by Rafaelsfingers
No new evidence
These inquisitions are growing tiring - If this is the best merzbow can offer, i'd hate to read his other contributions. Time and date correlations is a weak argument. Yes, we all know about multiple ISP's, but no IP addresses have been linked. I've taken the suggestions of other admins and have ventured to other topics.
{Write your assertion here}
Place argument and diffs which support the second assertion; for example, your second assertion might be "So-and-so makes personal attacks", which should be the title of this section. Here you would show specific edits where So-and-so made personal attacks.
Evidence presented by Merzbow
Edit timelines support charge of puppetry
I am going to present a timeline analysis here for each day on which G33 and one of the other accounts both had substantial edits. With two exceptions (analyzed in-line), it turns out all time periods of substantial editing activity are disjoint from one another. Occasionally a single edit will appear outside, and a couple times the beginning or end of adjacent time periods will overlap by a few minutes, but in general, they slot neatly and usually tightly between each other, even on days when more than two of the accounts are editing.
The below pattern can be explained by one person at one location, using different browsers or a second computer to edit. An RFCU noted that Rafaelsfingers was on a wireless device, and almost everyone in the Bay Area has cell phones that can do this (you can often route your computer's connection through it also). And one can easily have a desktop on a Comcast cable connection and a laptop on a DSL connection; or Remote Desktop into a work computer. With what I personally have, I could roleplay accounts from three different ISPs: one from my iPhone, one from cable, one from connecting through my work machine. But they would all be noted as coming from the same geographic area, as all these accounts do.
(Number in parens is the number of edits made in that time period).
2007-07-19
- Giovanni33: 17:10:50 <-> 19:46:36 (19)
- DrGabriela: 20:38:01 <-> 23:24:25 (20)
2008-03-09
- Giovanni33: 10:49:33 <-> 11:18:20 (3)
- 67.188.208.203: 15:36:09 <-> 18:43:59 (21)
- Giovanni33: 19:23:57 <-> 01:19:36 (43)
2008-03-15
- Giovanni33: 11:26:03 <-> 13:37:05 (8)
- 76.126.64.74: 18:10:09 <-> 18:41:39 (11)
- Supergreenred: 18:39:53 <-> 19:01:38 (8)
- Giovanni33: 20:35:18 <-> 03:44:32 (23)
2008-04-02
- Giovanni33: 14:07:46 <-> 17:19:56 (8)
- 76.102.72.153: 19:14:25 <-> 19:52:38 (15)
2008-04-09
- Giovanni33: 12:41:57 <-> 18:07:06 (14)
- 76.102.72.153: 19:01:14 <-> 22:14:50 (11)
- Giovanni33: 23:23:28 <-> 02:04:41 (6)
2008-04-12
- Giovanni33: 11:12:09 <-> 11:17:09 (3)
- Rafaelsfingers: 16:56:15 <-> 22:22:53 (14)
- Giovanni33: 23:37:01 <-> 23:58:18 (3)
2008-04-13
- Supergreenred: 01:05:44 <-> 02:21:34 (6)
- Giovanni33: 01:02:10 <-> 02:42:48 (11)
- Giovanni33: 10:11:17 <-> 11:29:59 (9)
- Supergreenred: 14:07:48 <-> 17:17:05 (22)
- Giovanni33: 18:21:24 <-> 18:24:41 (5)
The early-morning shared time period is an outlier. The fact that the start time is within 3 minutes, and the end time within 21 minutes, lends credence that this was done deliberately by one person at one location. Note the reversion to form in the evening.
2008-04-15
- Supergreenred: 02:40:16 <-> 04:31:39 (19)
- Giovanni33: 14:49:59 <-> 14:50:50 (2)
- Rafaelsfingers: 20:14:09 <-> 22:02:38 (4)
- Giovanni33: 21:53:07 <-> 00:26:53 (18)
2008-04-17 and 2008-04-18
- Giovanni33: 09:46:07 <-> 23:22:31 (34) (also single edit at 01:23:01 on 18th)
- DrGabriela: 23:56:16 <-> 02:08:40 (19)
- Giovanni33: 02:29:06 <-> 10:22:22 (4)
- Rafealsfingers 10:54:11 <-> 11:27:26 (8) (with single edits at 16:01:17 and 21:33:57, in the middle of 1-2 hour bouts of G33 inactivity).
- Giovanni33: 12:32:54 <-> 23:42:04 (38)
2008-04-19
- Giovanni33: 11:36:11 <-> 14:05:07 (14) (also single edit at 18:43:11)
- Rafaelsfingers: 17:15:57 <-> 21:21:26 (24)
2008-04-20
- Giovanni33: 01:01:23 <-> 04:37:38 (19) (also single edit at 06:26:03)
- DrGabriela: 00:13:02 <-> 04:00:51 (16)
- Giovanni33: 13:28:25 <-> 21:03:11 (26)
- DrGabriela: 23:23:21 <-> 02:46:30 (40)
Another early-morning outlier, same analysis as above (i.e. start and end times close together). One deliberately-generated outlier for Super and another for Gabriela, on different days, showing the same M.O. Yup, looks like ass-covering. (And once again, reversion to form in the evening).
2008-04-21
- DrGabriela: <- 02:46:30 (per previous day)
- Giovanni33: 03:12:28 <-> 19:24:16 (11)
- Rafaelsfingers: 19:28:37 <-> 20:07:55 (3)
- Giovanni33: 21:59:19 <-> 22:53:12 (7)
- DrGabriela: 23:09:48 <-> 00:05:15 (4)
- Giovanni33: 00:26:50 (next day) <-> 01:28:59 (10)
2008-04-24
- Giovanni33: 23:03:12 (prev day) <-> 01:01:26 (25) (also single edit at 02:47:02)
- DrGabriela: 01:25:08 <-> 02:32:16 (15)
- Giovanni33: 08:46:08 <-> 18:31:50 (11)
- DrGabriela: 22:15:31 <-> 00:21:34 (20)
Pre-response:
Now I'm sure Giovanni is going to respond by attempting to prove he's a sockpuppet of Ultramarine. That won't work because if one compares the timing of a heavy editor undisputably not G33, like Ultramarine, to the above contributions, one sees a much more random overlap of time periods - which is what one would expect. For example, here is how Ultra's edits compare on a selection of days taken from above:
2008-04-19
- Ultramarine: 04:08:22 <-> 06:03:37 (24)
- Ultramarine: 15:26:49 <-> 22:35:07 (51)
Misses G33, but overlaps Rafaelsfingers by one or two hours on either end
2008-04-21
- Ultramarine: 01:12:45 <-> 03:41:18 (32)
Overlaps DrGabriela by 1:30 and G33 by 0:30.
2008-04-24
- Ultramarine: pretty much all day the 23rd to 01:04:21 on the 24th, then 06:17:21 <=> 16:50:26
Matches G33 end time in the morning, but in the evening their times are shifted by 2 hours relative to each other.
In contrast, the G33 accounts don't do this. Periods of intense editing activity by these accounts usually abut each other very closely, but never overlap - except for two outliers in which they overlay very closely (said arse-covering).
Linguistic evidence supports charge of puppetry
(coming soon)
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