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*On august 7th he tries to insert the same content again: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monument_of_Lihula&diff=next&oldid=149733887] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monument_of_Lihula&diff=next&oldid=149860262] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monument_of_Lihula&diff=next&oldid=149990950] reverting of witch was retaliated by removal of the same background information he revert wared over before [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monument_of_Lihula&diff=next&oldid=150002381]. Only after his reverts are out he bothers to try discussion [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Monument_of_Lihula#Connection_between_denying_a_Holocaust_and_building_monuments_to_Nazi_collaborators] where it is rather obvious that he has no proper explanation why it should belong there. |
*On august 7th he tries to insert the same content again: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monument_of_Lihula&diff=next&oldid=149733887] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monument_of_Lihula&diff=next&oldid=149860262] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monument_of_Lihula&diff=next&oldid=149990950] reverting of witch was retaliated by removal of the same background information he revert wared over before [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monument_of_Lihula&diff=next&oldid=150002381]. Only after his reverts are out he bothers to try discussion [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Monument_of_Lihula#Connection_between_denying_a_Holocaust_and_building_monuments_to_Nazi_collaborators] where it is rather obvious that he has no proper explanation why it should belong there. |
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===Responses to Irpen's evidence=== |
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====[[WP:MEAT]] accusations are groundless==== |
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The contexts to our simultaneous arrival is [[Bronze Soldier of Tallinn]]. These events brought out many previously dormant people to see that the coverage of events is neutral. It was a moment of controversy and I decided to register, since being just an IP is not most reputable. Or nationality is the reason we became registered users at that moment. I personally had done a couple of minor edits before may as an IP but did not see the need to register. I believe it was something similar for others. |
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*As to not producing much in the first month... Is being a newbie and taking it slow a fault? What happened to not biting newbies? And I still don't produce much, I just don't have time with all these accusations flying around. Should I be kicked off the project for this? |
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*As to using Estonian in talk, I personally have avoided it, but if something was to be hidden, they would take it to email, as Petri's babel box claims understanding of Estonian. Nothing displayed publicly is a secret. |
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*As to bad faith accusations, in this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FEstonian_Age_of_Awakening&diff=137209349&oldid=137205987] diff that Irpen presented as grossly unjust Digwurren explains nicely his reasoning justifying the claim. Even to me the nomination seemed fishy because the search presented as evidence of neologism had a an unbalanced quote in it rigging the result and because there was reason to assume that Ghirla had prior knowledge of this term. |
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*As to "your ethnic slurs are noted", this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Estonian_Age_of_Awakening&diff=prev&oldid=137229645] was what prompted it. If hinting that some nations(the nation of some editors involved in the debate) exist just because of "sheer luck" isn't ethnic slurs then I don't know what is. |
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*As to our first page getting deleted., Please read the whole AFD, there were keep voters with strong arguments, but the title was not the best and well, theres no shame in trying and failing, even more so if it is your first. |
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====Claims of my Incivility are poorly founded==== |
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* Commenting that somebody has a mind block is not uncivil. It is perhaps, now that I looks at it a bit attacky, but I was green then... |
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* AS to "Troll ignored", it is a reply to this[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=144991634]. IMHO asking the complaining party to be blocked from AN/I is a clear trolling. |
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* As to "insult filled reply", this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=144792603] is it. Accusing ones government of racism and telling one that this person is trolling the board where people are supposed to get help is not an acidous insult? |
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* I never called Petri insane. Irpen has graciously just posted the diff of a biting reply, but not the calling [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=139190796]. Petri's unfounded belief into existence of Korp!Estonia is delusion, a persistent, annoying one at that, and I hope this ArbCom cures him from it. |
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* As to me misspelling Ghirla, Its a name that I cannot pronounce, and thus cannot remember properly and a speller is not much help with names. Sorry. I misspell Digwurren too sometimes and typos are something of a personal quirk of mine. |
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===Response to Ghirla's accusation of block shopping=== |
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This diff[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=144983915], That Ghirla presented as accusation, says it all. Is asking for help against a gross incivility block shopping!? Through all this thread, ALL i wanted was [[WP:CIVIL]] enforced fairly and equally and almost, that did happen. But not quite... |
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As to [Estophilia] and [[Anti-Estonian sentiment]] the first was deleted by Neil, as speedy for being a WP:POINT, went through a deletion review, and was undeleted and proven not to be pointy at all, the later is stuck as a controversial redirect that both I and Irpen have protested against. |
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==Evidence presented by Irpen== |
==Evidence presented by Irpen== |
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Evidence presented by martintg
Behaviour of experienced editors as model
Petri Krohn, whose RFC/U Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Petri_Krohn was disqualified despite the serious issues contained in it, has provided a model of behaviour that may have been emulated by less experienced editors. Martintg 04:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Particularly nasty, (and which I am not only offended on behalf of the Estonian editors here, but also the victims of the Holocaust), is his portrayal of Estonian editors as Holocaust denying neo-nazis:
- Claim that Estonian editors have a Holocaust denial agenda on Talk:The Holocaust while canvassing for votes for Talk:Estonian_war_crimes_trials#Requested_move [1]
- Claiming Estonian editor is engaging in Holocaust denial in defence of an anonymous IP reported on the 3RR notice board [2]
- Claim of "yet another example of Estonian Holocaust denial" [3]
- False claim that the Estonia denies the right for a church to practice religion, with comparison to China. [5]
- Estonian irredentism [6]
- And finally this hateful rant, where Estonian editors are accused of having Nazi skeletons in their closets [7], for which he earned a 3 day block.
However, similar odious accusation as the those made above, have recently been made:
- Claims of the existence of "hate groups" and "irredentism" on Wikipedia on Jimbo Wales' talk page [11]
- Claims that one party to a content dispute "are in fact a hate group" with Nazi sympathies [12]
This attitude is not only incredibly inflammatory, it is also constitutes an incitement to ethnic hatred against Estonians in an environment that is already heated by the Bronze Soldier issue. Martintg 20:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Disruptive editors
Thanks to the failure of the community to deal with the behavioural issues in Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Petri_Krohn and effectively sheild him by deleting the RFC, some editors now think it's okay to continue to tendatiously edit Estonia related articles:
Ilya1166
- Apart from editing Russia related articles, spends time edit warring on Bronze Soldier [13],[14],[15], focusing on Russian accusations of Nazism in Estonia for which he was subsequently blocked for this activity [16], and also edit warring on Estonia, being blocked for this activity [17].
- Here Ghirlandajo advises Ilya1166 to study the rejectedWikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Petri_Krohn as a more profitable way to promote Russian historiography[18]
RJ CG
- Predominantely edit wars Estonia related articles, initially as 206.186.8.130[19] then as RJ CG since June , particularly Bronze Soldier, to put a "Estonians are Nazis" POV to them. [20]. Here he attempts to encourage fellow editor Mikkalai to act as his meat puppet [21] to promote the view that the Estonian town Lihula harbours Nazi collaborators.
- Both Irpen and Petri Krohn give encouragement and advice to RJ CG on techniques to mask his edit warring activities and dealing with Korp!Estonia [22].
- Here we see Irpen disputing with an admin over a block on RJ CG for his tendatious editing of Bronze Soldier [23]
- Ghirlandajo joins in to continue to harrass the same admin for earlier blocking RJ CG with this odious accusation here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#User:ProhibitOnions_vs._anti-Fascist_editors_.28redux.29
- Hard on the heals of his latest 96 hour block of August 31 [24], RJ CG immediately begins disrupting the same articles again [25]
Beatle Fab Four
Initially User:Beatles_Fab_Four revert warred Bronze Soldier [26] as WP:SPA, changed identity to User:Beatle_Fab_Four, then blocked [27] for edit warring Bronze Soldier, returns from wikibreak few days ago to revert edit of "estonian pro-nazis" [28]
Apparent double standards
Otto ter Haar's only issue with Digwuren concerns Otto's attempted blanking of sourced content in Jüri Uluots [29]. In the subsequent discussion on the talk page, Otto characterised the opinion of the European Parliament that Soviet rule was "occupation" as, rather incivilly, "Estonian nationalistic" POV without knowing the personal politics of the Estonian editors, so justifying the deletion of the referenced material. [30] Digwuren responded in kind and called Otto's view "quaint". Otto had taken offence at this "incivility", without even realising his initial comment of "Estonian nationalistic view" was equally uncivil.
Otto, burning with anger that Digwuren does not agree with his view of history, enters into an anti-Digwuren alliance with Petri Krohn [31]. After some discussion on the approach [32] he subsequently supports an action not just against Digwuren's alleged incivility, but unjustifiably against a whole group of Estonian editors who were never party to Otto's little edit war on Jüri Uluots [33], with the infamous Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive261#Korp.21_Estonia_on_wheels case, thus exposing Otto's personal bias against Estonians generally whom he apparently profiles as "Estonian nationalistic POV pushers".
Ironically turning a blind eye to Petri's own documented cases of incivility, Otto asserts the behaviour described in Krohn's RFC are unfounded and therefore acceptable, despite the extensive evidence to the contrary Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Petri_Krohn#Outside_view_by_Otto.
Irpen's claims
In regard to Irpen's case here, it is part of the same continuum of disputes across a spectum of East European articles, be it Polish, Romania, Latvian or Estonian [34]
In regard to Deskana's evidence
Just one point in regard to his evidence, concerning Digwuren's statement: "Facts are facts and opinions are opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts, and even less to presenting them in Wikipedia.", which was presented as evidence of incivility. This I believe, is an example of one's cultural background making a difference in interpretation. This statement is apparently derived from a famous quote by the late US Senator Pat Moynihan: "You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts", thus it wouldn't be generally considered incivil. Martintg 23:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Digwuren's one week block of July 16
This is the sequence of events leading up to Digwuren's one week block.
- 13:18, July 16 - Alexia Death files a complaint Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive272#Complaint_about_user_Petri_Krohn regarding some odious remarks that were grossly uncivil.
- 16:56, July 16 - FayssalF announces RJ CG blocked for 48h for tendatious editing of Russo-Estonian relations and Petri Krohn blocked for 72h for uncivil comments Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive272#Getting_the_admin_tools_ready
- 18:37, July 16 - Ghirlandajo complains here Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive272#User:Petri_Krohn_blocked_for_72_hours that in essence FayssalF wrongly blocked Petri Krohn who was merely opposing "a dozen one-purpose Tartu accounts in their attempts to white-wash Estonian authorities of charges of Nazi collaboration". He points out that atleast one member of "Korps!Estonia" should also be blocked in order to maintain some semblance of objectivity, and points to Digwuren who was "happily 'at work' on his 'new' masterpieces: Anti-Estonian sentiment and Estophilia."
Up to the moment of the block Digwuren was indeed happily editing Estonia related articles [35], not being a party at all in the discussions above.
- 19:18, July 16, FayssalF applies a one week block against Digwuren for "tendentious editing and edit warring at Anti-Estonian sentiment"
Looking at the short edit history of Anti-Estonian sentiment, Digwuren only actually reverted Mikkalai once [36] before being blocked. Mikkalai had blanked the article and made it into a redirect to Estonia-Russia relations. Ironically, Irpen considers this redirect as highly POV, requesting an RfD here: Talk:Anti-Estonian_sentiment#RfD. Martintg 04:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Compare and contrast Digwuren's one week block without warning for his single revert on Anti-Estonian sentiment with Ghirlandajo's 30 minute block[37] for serious page move/revert disruption involving Soviet occupation [38]. Ghirlandajo originally received a 24 hour block, but it was reduced to a 30 minute block after the blocking admin was aggressively brow beaten with the assistance of Irpen here: User_talk:Ghirlandajo/Summer_2007#3RR_2 and here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Ghirlandajo.C2.A0.28talk.C2.A0.C2.B7_contribs.29_moved_Soviet_occupation_article_to_Allied_occupation_of_Europe. --Martintg 00:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
In regard to Grafikm's evidence
Virtually all of Grafikm's evidence in regard to "edit warring" is connected with Estonia related articles. It takes two to edit war and note that it is either RJ CG or Petri Krohn involved here. Note too that Digwuren, Alexia Death and other Estonian editors, by virtue of the fact that they are Estonian and reside in Estonia and having language skills in Russian in addition to English and obviously Estonian, allowing them to access sources in all three languages, would have a better idea about Estonia related content than these two editors RJ CG and Petri Krohn, who can only access sources in two languages. There are two sides to every edit conflict, so who is disrupting who here? Is it the Estonian editors disrupting Estonia related articles, or is two editors with documented attitudinal issues RJ CG and Petri Krohn disrupting Estonia related articles.
In regard to his evidence of inflammatory templates, both are being adequately handled by the TFD process. There is no concensus for deletion, let alone that it is in any way divisive or inflammatory in Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Notpropaganda. In regard to Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:POV_Russia, while there is concensus for deletion here, it is because the existing NPOV template is adequate for the job, not that it is inflammatory or POINTy. In regard to Digwuren's action in striking out a part of Irpen's statement, I believe he was simply acting according to WP:BOLD, striking out a part of the allegation which FR_Soliloquy objected to as being a suggestive, and prejudicial comment, lacking WP:AGF, be should be removed from this discussion. --Martintg 20:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Concerns regarding Ghirlandajo's "evidence"
Here Ghirlandajo states: "I was informed recently that Digwuren, Alexia, and Suva took to using #wikipedia for spreading Russophobic propaganda and block shopping" and then goes on to claim "As a result, I stopped editing Estonia-related articles altogether". However a look at his edit history [39] reveals he has never edited Estonia related articles, and he confirms this in his initial statement [40]: "I have no interest in anything related to Estonia". Note that there was no mention of this IRC issue in his initial statement either, so it all seems rather contrived. Martintg 00:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Petri Krohn[41], Ghirlandajo [42] and his comrade Paul Pieniezny [43] attempt to paint Estonian editors as bad faith meat puppets in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Moderated_nuclear_explosion, offensively characterising them as Korp!Estonia. Note that many of the so-called Korp!Estonia haven't even voted. Martintg 20:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Evidence presented by Deskana
Rein Lang article a major point of contention
The article Rein Lang, a biography on the Estonian Minister of Justice, is a major point of contention between Estonian and Russian editors. There was an OTRS complaint from the Department of Justice in Estonia (ticket, OTRS login required), including phone calls to Cary. I cut the controversy section significantly, so as to not disproportionately represent Mr Lang's career [44]. The article has seen edit warring between Estonian editors (such as Digwuren, for example) and Russian editors. The edit warring has been based primarily around the birthday party controversy. There have also been news reports in Estonian newspapers about the article Rein Lang (Wordpress, Postimees). It seems the articles mention the controversy, and state that a complaint was made to a "senior administrator" (meaning me, they seem to have got my role slightly confused) to fix the article. Since then, I have taken an interest in the article, attempting to act as a neutral party with no inherent point of view on the article, to ensure it does not violate BLP and remains NPOV and properly sourced.
RJ_CG has edited Rein Lang disruptively
RJ_CG (talk · contribs), an editor who states his mother tongue is Russian on his userpage, has edited Rein Lang in a disruptive manner, attempting to push a Russian POV on the article, and using inflammatory edit summaries.
- [45] - "Let Estonians and Russians talk for themselves"
- [46] - "Explanation where Russia are coming from"
- [47] - "I feel for fragile state of your brain, but either explain your reverts or seek professional help. WP isn't shrink office"
It is worth noting that prior to my involvement in this particular part of the dispute, every single one of RJ_CG's edits to Rein Lang were reverted by either Digwuren (talk · contribs) or Alexia Death (talk · contribs), who are both Estonian. Digwuren could also have handled this situation better, stating to RJ_CG that "Facts are facts and opinions are opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts, and even less to presenting them in Wikipedia." while reverting him [48].
I blocked RJ_CG for 96 hours with the summary "edit warring on Rein Lang" [49], and because he violated 3RR. So far, RJ_CG has not contested the block, and has acted in a civil manner towards me, and this I respect. I do not believe he is simply here to cause trouble, otherwise he would certainly have contested the block (Note that I'm not saying that in all cases, contesting a block = causing trouble)
Digwuren is sometimes unnecessarily confrontational and disruptive
Digwuren (talk · contribs) is sometimes confrontational and disruptive. For example,
- Digwuren created Template:Big Sock Fishing, which contained a link to Wikipedia:Big Sock Fishing, which redirects to his checkuser case. [50]
- Digwuren created Wikipedia:Big Sock Fishing, redirecting it to Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Digwuren [51]. This was deleted by Picaroon, and then recreated by Digwuren, stating "Reredirected. Deletion broke up link chain from the template to the RFCU case.". This isn't a valid reason, since the template shouldn't exist anyway. Both this and the above serve absolutely no purpose, and are simply confrontational.
- Diguwren states "Facts are facts and opinions are opinions. You are not entitled to your own facts, and even less to presenting them in Wikipedia." [52]
- Digwuren responds to the checkuser case on him with hostility [53]. It's understanble that he would be angry about being accused, but civility is policy.
- Digwuren writes an unnecessarily confrontational message on Rein Lang regarding a Russian editor, User:RJ CG: [54]
- RJ_CG is blocked for 119 hours, and Digwuren taunts the user on their user talk page, by using a mocking version of the DYK template: [55]
Evidence presented by Digwuren
Petri Krohn has engaged in extremely disruptive conduct regarding articles concerning Estonian-Russian relations
- Numerous instances of disruptive behaviour on behalf of Petri Krohn, many of them related to the Bronze Soldier of Tallinn controversy, have been documented in the RFC/U. Digwuren 18:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
- I should point out that due to time concerns inappropriately invoked by Bishonen, the evidence presented in the RFC/U concentrates heavily on Petri Krohn's disruption in May. Other diffs, including those from earlier months, are available, should any arbitrator find them necessary. Digwuren 02:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Grafikm fr attempted to mislead the Arbitration Committee with his supposed "evidence"
I see Alexia Death has already made good progress regarding some of the wild claims by Grafimm fr, and I appreciate it. But some more context needs to be pointed out.
- For example, Grafikm fr claim regarding a block of me following editing Estonia-Russia relations, with the three provided diffs, is completely unfounded. My best guess is that he's talking about the block by FayssalF, which, as I will demonstrate separately, was unfounded.
- [56] and [57] constitute reversion of RJ CG's nonfactual, unsourced bigotry. This particular bigotrous claim happens to be one of those that, back in the 1990s, Russian Federation attempted to circulate around; since it's without merit, it's nowadays only found in old sources or Russian media publications.
- [58] is another reversion of the same hateful bigotry. I regret that I wasn't paying enough attention, leading to this particular revert remaining incomplete.
I have repeatedly made point that such childish expressions of bigotry ought to be considered a form of vandalism. Unfortunately, this point has not yet taken off. However, the proposed principle #1, "on Promotion of Bigotry", clearly covers this disruption by RJ CG. Digwuren 15:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Irpen has within recent history displayed a consistent pattern of disruption regarding articles on topics of Soviet history, apparently out of either nationalist or patriotic feelings towards that now-defunct regime. Often, he does not even attempt to mask his goals, instead opting for making baseless claims of violations of WP:NPOV or WP:OR, and attaching tags to that effect to articles not in such violation. Having made such vacuous claims, he tends to avoid expressing any specific concerns, or citing any actual sources to support his (implicit) assertions.
On Soviet historiography
On Occupations of Latvia
In this case, Irpen continued the disruption even after the Arbitration Committee had placed the article under probation.
On Soviet occupations
(The history of this article is a bit muddy, mainly through a major move-war undertaken by Ghirlandajo, who may have coöperated with Irpen in this matter, as judged by their comments and Irpen's harassment of anybody opposing Ghirlandajo's behaviour.)
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Evidence presented by Grafikm
Note to ArbCom: I require some more time to compile the rest of the evidence, so please don't move this to voting too early.
Digwuren's presence on WP has been extremely disruptive to a whole sector of Wikipedia. Indeed, as the ArbCom is probably aware of, Digwuren already has a lengthy record of blocks made by several admins for various disruptions [59]. Since last block, User:Deskana unblocked Digwuren stating explicitely that "having consulted blocking admin, this user is unblocked to participate in RFC and/or mediation cases ONLY. reblock if user abuses this trust."
Obviously, Digwuren's disruptive attitude did not end with that unblock.
Edit warrying and POV Pushing
Digwuren's attitude was extremely disruptive on a number of pages, where he engaged in heavy edit warrying. Examples include:
- Monument of Lihula - edit warrying leading to a block (see block log):
- Anti-Estonian sentiment (now named Estonia-Russia relations). Digwuren again engaged in heavy edit warrying that led to yet another block:
- Lennart Meri - edit warrying to keep a POV phrase "non-communist style" election. Such a phrase is obviously inflammatory and far better alternatives are possible but he kept reverting it.
- Jüri Uluots reverting almost the same stuff over and over in an attempt to POV it:
- Soviet occupation - stopping 1 edit short of 3RR:
Also note heavy edit warrying by User:Alexia Death in the same article.
- Bronze Soldier of Tallinn - here examples are so numerous that I'll only provide a selection of those:
- Soviet occupation of Romania - removing POV tag without consensus:
There are many more diffs from this page but they're too many to list them all
Basically, what he's trying to do is to bully other editors to make them stay out of "his" articles so he can plague them with POV pushing. These edits are only a sample (albeit a representative one) of his warrying.
Creation of inflammatory templates and disruption on TFD
User:Suva created a template Template:Notpropaganda, clearly falling under deletion criteria T1 as a divisive and inflammatory. The template was
What followed was (and still is) an attempt by Digwuren and his buddies (Suva and Martintg just to name those two) to bully out people who dared voting "delete" out of the discussion. Now, I know that xFD results are discussion based and not count-based, but still, this kind of attitude is very representative of Digwuren's approach to Wikipedia.
Only a few days later, the same User:Suva created yet another inflammatory template, Template:POV_Russia, which was again brought on TFD. This time, User:Digwuren attempted to modify Irpen's TFD statement, which is against the very basic rules of Wikipedia, and then edit warried to remove part of Irpen's nomination:
The whole thing was reported on WP:ANI by Irpen Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive297#TfD_disruption (and counter-reported by Digwuren) (here)
Several admins were trying to explain Digwuren that his attitude was not fitting with WP policies, but to no avail (see comments by El_C, Bishonen and Cowman).
Concerns voiced by User:Ghirlandajo
I know that technically ArbCom cannot issue rulings based on IRC evidence, but it is no secret that some arbitrators are also operators of the IRC channels and, in this capacity, it is well within their means to put an end to the misuse of the channel for one's personal ends. The nature of the current case perhaps warrants an exception to the rule. I was informed recently that Digwuren, Alexia, and Suva took to using #wikipedia for spreading Russophobic propaganda and block shopping. After checking the appropriate logs, I found a plethora of xenophobic or racist remarks ("you roll a vobla into pravda and drink vodka"), but that does not disturb me as much as their abuse of the magnifying effect of IRC to misrepresent and persecute their opponents.
For instance, when I moved a page several times, Digwuren popped up on IRC asking for an admin to look into the matter and screaming: "has Ghirlandajo broken 3RR?", without bothering to apply to WP:AN3 or discussing the matter on Wikipedia. An ill-considered block was the result. This practice of block shopping is nasty, considering that I am technically unable to monitor IRC all day long. When I log in occasionally, I see people discussing my edits and referring to me as a "little paranoid loon" or "fucking whiner". When I ask those people to explain the background for these comments, my request is deleted and immediately followed by Piotr's award to the offender for his "good deeds". If ArbCom is interested in the details, I will forward the logs on request.
Looking through the logs, I see Alexia, Suva, and Digwuren regularly pasting to #wikipedia links to my edits pertaining to the subject of this case (there are not so many of them) and asking a familiar admin: "can you add a remark to his talkpage that it is a bad idea?", etc. They know that IRC has a magnifying effect and is perfect for block shopping, and they make liberal use of that. As a result, I stopped editing Estonia-related articles altogether: now I know there are people discussing and insulting me behind my back, following my contributions and copying the appropriate diffs to IRC, peppering them with malicious or misleading comments. Since I am denied the opportunity to disprove these allegations of misconduct, Suva's and Digwuren's activities on IRC are more than enough to make me keep away from this case.
Evidence presented by Alexia Death
NOTE: Ive limited myself to two diffs per issue, so this evidence is not exhaustive
Ghirla's concerns of block shopping are unfounded
Ghirla's concerns of block shopping are unfounded, evidenced by the statements made by the blocking admin [109][110] and several unrelated admins [111][112].
Ghirla engages in disruptive editing and removes AN/I reports about himself
Latest bout of disruption started with unilateral and undiscussed moving and re-tasking of Soviet occupation to Allied occupation of Europe that had been deleted by AfD as WP:SYNTH and WP:OR [113] and blocking revert by creating a dab page. This resulted in a move war where multiple people were reacting resulting in a redirect mess and an admin assistance request on #wikipedia and a report on AN/I, witch he subesquently replaced with his own complaint [114]. This lead to subsequent block of Ghirla for 24 hours [115], later shortened by blocking admin due to the fact that move waring was stopped and he did have a large edit count[116]. As the block was for 3RR, this is appropriate, but the disruption generated should have warranted and resulted in a longer block as he clearly refuses to accept that he was at fault[117][118].
Ghirla and Irpen harass and antagonize people contrary to WP:BATTLE
Immediately after Ghirla's block Irpen posted an accusatory note of injustice [119] at Ghirla's user page and they refused to stop [120] [121] even after several admins and other uninvolved people had endorsed the block [122] [123] [124]. Before and after lifting of the block accusations against admins involved in trying to clean up the redirect mess were posted in various places. He accused Piotrus on AN/I of abusing his admin tools again[125], a libelous statement since he has never been found guilty of admin abuse and continuing this line through the whole thread on ANI here posting baiting claims to lure others to uncivil remarks.
Others like Maxim[126] were subjected to similar treatment.
Vassyana dared to recommend Ghirla to not be this aggressive[127], this was responded with a counterattack [128] and more sweeping accusations [129].
Irpen plainly disregards with an antagonizing edit summary a warning about edit waring on a FA [130].
Additionally Irpen accuses people on Wikipedia for things that were said on #wikipedia in behalf of Ghirla and replacing Ghirla's statement [131] while he was not around. May it be pointed out that public logging is not allowed on the channels so how come this happens?
Context to Grafkim_fr-s evidence on Monument of Lihula
Source of revert waring and disruption is RJ CG (talk · contribs)
- An IP editor inserting irrelevant content and does not bother to talk will be reverted. This reverting was followed pointy removal of other material[132]. This IP editor later registered as RJ CG (talk · contribs).
- RJ CG (talk · contribs) was soon edit waring again on the same article, removing sourced content without explanation [133] and again [134] and again [135].
- On august 7th he tries to insert the same content again: [136] [137] [138] reverting of witch was retaliated by removal of the same background information he revert wared over before [139]. Only after his reverts are out he bothers to try discussion [140] where it is rather obvious that he has no proper explanation why it should belong there.
Responses to Irpen's evidence
WP:MEAT accusations are groundless
The contexts to our simultaneous arrival is Bronze Soldier of Tallinn. These events brought out many previously dormant people to see that the coverage of events is neutral. It was a moment of controversy and I decided to register, since being just an IP is not most reputable. Or nationality is the reason we became registered users at that moment. I personally had done a couple of minor edits before may as an IP but did not see the need to register. I believe it was something similar for others.
- As to not producing much in the first month... Is being a newbie and taking it slow a fault? What happened to not biting newbies? And I still don't produce much, I just don't have time with all these accusations flying around. Should I be kicked off the project for this?
- As to using Estonian in talk, I personally have avoided it, but if something was to be hidden, they would take it to email, as Petri's babel box claims understanding of Estonian. Nothing displayed publicly is a secret.
- As to bad faith accusations, in this [141] diff that Irpen presented as grossly unjust Digwurren explains nicely his reasoning justifying the claim. Even to me the nomination seemed fishy because the search presented as evidence of neologism had a an unbalanced quote in it rigging the result and because there was reason to assume that Ghirla had prior knowledge of this term.
- As to "your ethnic slurs are noted", this [142] was what prompted it. If hinting that some nations(the nation of some editors involved in the debate) exist just because of "sheer luck" isn't ethnic slurs then I don't know what is.
- As to our first page getting deleted., Please read the whole AFD, there were keep voters with strong arguments, but the title was not the best and well, theres no shame in trying and failing, even more so if it is your first.
Claims of my Incivility are poorly founded
- Commenting that somebody has a mind block is not uncivil. It is perhaps, now that I looks at it a bit attacky, but I was green then...
- AS to "Troll ignored", it is a reply to this[143]. IMHO asking the complaining party to be blocked from AN/I is a clear trolling.
- As to "insult filled reply", this [144] is it. Accusing ones government of racism and telling one that this person is trolling the board where people are supposed to get help is not an acidous insult?
- I never called Petri insane. Irpen has graciously just posted the diff of a biting reply, but not the calling [145]. Petri's unfounded belief into existence of Korp!Estonia is delusion, a persistent, annoying one at that, and I hope this ArbCom cures him from it.
- As to me misspelling Ghirla, Its a name that I cannot pronounce, and thus cannot remember properly and a speller is not much help with names. Sorry. I misspell Digwurren too sometimes and typos are something of a personal quirk of mine.
Response to Ghirla's accusation of block shopping
This diff[146], That Ghirla presented as accusation, says it all. Is asking for help against a gross incivility block shopping!? Through all this thread, ALL i wanted was WP:CIVIL enforced fairly and equally and almost, that did happen. But not quite...
As to [Estophilia] and Anti-Estonian sentiment the first was deleted by Neil, as speedy for being a WP:POINT, went through a deletion review, and was undeleted and proven not to be pointy at all, the later is stuck as a controversial redirect that both I and Irpen have protested against.
Evidence presented by Irpen
WP:MEAT
Three related accounts Digwuren (talk · contribs), Suva (talk · contribs) and Alexia_Death (talk · contribs) appeared on Wikipedia simultaneously. Their first edits were made as follows:
- Suva 10:16, April 30, 2007
- Alexia Death 17:02, May 1, 2007
- Digwuren 11:33, May 1, 2007
although Suva claims that they have never seen each other. How credible is this coincidence?
Alexia's account is relatively benign compared to the other two, but the fact of their simultaneous appearance is important to keep in mind when analyzing this case. While clearly distinct personalities, the accounts do fall under WP:MEAT. Two checkuser cases (Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Digwuren, Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/DLX) failed to eliminate ambiguity due to the university firewall issues. From time to time, there would appear one-purpose accounts whose activity is limited to seconding Digwuren's opinions; they normally disappear once their possible connection to Digwuren is exposed.[147]
Their activities started with a flurry of revert warring. Digwuren made six reverts on the very first day of editing alone (12:13, 13:27, 13:30, 13:46, 13:55, 14:57). Neither account produced any new articles during their first month of activity in Wikipedia. Their first new page, Soviet occupation denialism, was deleted by User:Moreschi after an acrimonious AfD as "a classic POV fork" and "a POV synthesized narrative". On talk pages, they always act in concert and tend to second each other, repeating the same phrase as a mantra: e.g., multiple unsubstantiated accusations of a bad-faith deletion request leveled against Ghirla: "he has knowingly made a false nomination for deletion" (Digwuren); "clearly bad-faith AfD nomination" (DLX/Sander Sade); "your ethnic slurs are noted" (Alexia Death).
Here's a sterling example of their editing practices, followed by incessant revert-warring to keep the compromised version of the page, lamenting the years of "Soviet yoke": revert using popups, revert using UNDO, revert with a misleading summary, etc. During their first month of editing, they nominated for deletion three pages by User:Petri Krohn (Republic of Estonia (1990-1991), Estonian SSR (independent), Estland), with the deletion debates grotesquely placed by Digwuren into Category:AfD debates (Fiction and the arts). Even in English Wikipedia, they would communicate in Estonian, to prevent the comments from being read by other wikipedians.
Creation of inflammatory templates for article space
Inflammatory templates created by Suva
- {{Notpropaganda}} prior to being subjected to TfD the template said: "{{PAGENAME}} may be written from [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]] and as such may not be compatible with one or several historic propaganda campaigns. If you feel you are biased by any such propaganda campaign, please refrain from editing this article.. The TfD was closed "nonconsensus" despite the strong majority voted "delete". the TfD resulted in template's being moderated by other users.
- {{POV Russia}}, now deleted through TfD saying "The neutrality of this article towards Russian version of Soviet history is disputed."
Both WP:POINTy templates were added to contentious articles further disrupting the discussions in search of the solution.
Inflammatory templates created by Digwuren
- {{Insufficient propaganda}} "This article or section is written from a neutral point of view and does not have enough propaganda. For inclusion in Wikipedia, some more propaganda needs to be added."
- {{Thoughtcrime}} "This article or section is written from a neutral point of view considered thoughtcrime. To fit in Wikipedia, it must be rewritten in accordance with guidelines of Minitrue."
Template the regulars
- Digwuren to Petri: "this is your last warning", another last warning for "vandalism", more
- Digwuren to Irpen: "You will be blocked from editing Wikipedia", apparently for starting Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 September 9#Template:POV Russia
- Alexia threatening Petri with a generic "no personal attacks" template
- Digwuren cautioned by User:Selket (then reviewing his unblock request) to stop abusing vandalism tags.
- Digwuren cautioned by User:Irpen to stop templating the regulars: "This is clearly baiting that can bring nothing but inflaming the conflicts further".
Digwuren's revert warring spree
- Rollback of Ghirla's good-natured and appropriate edits
- Rollback of a stub notice added by Ghirla as "vandalism"
- Revert warring with Ghirla on his talk page
- A chunk of sourced text deleted as "propaganda"
- Rollback of Petri's attempt to keep discussed in one place as "vandalism"
- Rollback of a sourced addition as "vandalism"
- Another sourced anti-Fascist edit rollbacked as "vandalism"
- Addition of Holocaust-related categories is reverted as "vandalism", again
- Any mention of Nazis in Estonia (1941-45) is removed as "vandalism"
- More of the same and even more and more
- Category:Holocaust in Estonia is speedily stripped of content in order to be nominated for deletion as "empty"
- The same category removed as "vandalism"
- Removed personal attack restored as "vandalism"
- Reverting to restore edits by a sock of permabanned Bonaparte (context)
- More rollback abuse against Petri Krohn
Generally, this kind of abuse is so trivial that, in my estimation, about 80% of Digwuren's edits in his first month or two of editing Wikipedia consisted of reverts. See Grafik's post above for additional detail.
Stalking
- Suva declares (concerning Petri Krohn): "I do have to admit, that I have, do and will "stalk" some editors whose edits are on the suspicious side to monitor the factual correctness and NPOV... I think many if not most wikipedians use other users contribution logs from time to time."
- Digwuren to Petri Krohn: "As of now, I and other volunteers (sic!) have sifted through edits you have made since the beginning of May; that (hopefully) leaves only four more months to go." No wonder that Petri felt himself stalked by Digwuren.
- Bishonen to Digwuren (concerning Ghirla): "Make sure you avoid user space harassment", probably referring to his edit warring with Ghirla on the latter's talk page (e.g., five "warnings" inserted to Ghirla's talk within several hours: [148], [149], [150], [151], [152]).
- In flagrant violation of our rules, Digwuren publicized personal information concerning RJ CG's IP address. Later, User:FayssalF urged Digwuren to stop harrassing RJ CG on his talk page, lest he be blocked.
Incivility
Digwuren
- Digwuren's general attitude to civility: "If an accepted Wikipedia civility dictionary makes it impossible to state what happens, then screw the dictionary. This is especially important in context of arbitration."
- Digwuren about Ghirla: "trolls don't have specific genders"
- Digwuren to Ghirla: "trolling is working out rather well for you"
- Digwuren to Ghirla: "Put up or shut up, as the gentlemen say"
- Digwuren's comment on AfD: "What Ghirlandajo is doing here is WP:TROLLing in hope to derail the discussion. And any lie is good for the holy purpose of trolling, right?"
- Digwuren placing a "trolling warning" above Ghirla's comments on AfD
- After the Ghirla-nominated article was deleted, Digwuren obliquely referred to the nominator as a "die-hard "You nazi!" screamer"
- Digwuren accusing Petri of "weird manipulations"
- Another accusation to the same effect: "According to the theory of Petri Krohn's existence, a former entity called Petri_Krohn has started to blatantly push pet WP:POV legal theories".
- Digwuren: Don't pay too much attention to Petri Krohn, a known weaver of alternative theories, when he's merely saying weird things
- Digwuren describing Petri as "somebody with that many delusions and borderline paranoia"
- Digwuren: "Petri Krohn is spewing nonsensical accusations"
- Digwuren refers to Petri's WP:AN3 comments as "inserting smears" against him
- Digwuren accusing Irpen of "hateful views" and "pet troll grooming"
- Digwuren's diatribe against Irpen: "Irpen is trying to groom RJ CG and M.V.E.i. into his goons so they could do the POV-pushing that he agrees with, but wouldn't want to dirty his own hands with".
- Digwuren accusing User:Ypetrachenko that his "judgement is blemished"
- Digwuren labels another opponent an "Estophobe" and "hateful troll"
- Digwuren taunting his opponent as "an one-purpose account": "How come that a Great Russian Patriot like yourself does not live in Russian Federation but in Canada?"
- Digwuren accusing User:Alex Bakharev of "an anti-me crusade"
- Digwuren accusing Petri of "vandalism"
Alexia
- Alexia to Petri: The fact that you personally have a mind block in seeing history as it was does not mean others do.
- Alexia about Ghirla: "Troll ignored".
- Alexia to Ghirla: "Your acidous insult filled reply displays clearly you racism issues".
- Alexia calls Petri "insane"; Jehochman to her: "maintain civility or you will be blocked"
- Seemingly purposeful misspelling of Ghirla's name on this very page
Suva
- Suva accusing Petri of "definite hatred towards Estonian editors".
- Suva accusing Petri of "racist opinion towards Estonians" and "fantasy pushing".
- Suva about Ghirla: I don't understand why some of the biggest trolls here are still throwing fæces around and not spending their time on being blocked?
Sander Sade
- Sander Sade/DLX chimes in: "Perhaps it is time to look in the mirror, Ghirla, and check if it is a troll who looks back?"
- Sander describing Petri as "our favorite Estonian-hater with his silly conspiracy theories"
- Sander accusing Petri of "some personal petty hatred against Estonia"
- More accusations of "petty hatred against Estonians", thanks to Petri for "providing entertainment"
- Sander/DLX accusing Ghirla of "bad faith slander and lies".
Erik Jesse
- Erik to Ghirla: "the recent paranoiac commentaries of the type already experienced on the RFC page"
- Erik bewails Ghirla's "vandalism and continued slander directed against Estonian users".
- Much evidence is contained in the deleted pages, to which I have no access (example)
To be continued
These diffs along with others' posted above is only a part of the pattern. Unless arbitrators rush to the proposed decision immediately, I will be adding more ASAP. --Irpen 18:47, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Evidence presented by Ghirla
Preamble
I vehemently disagree with the assessment of the conflict between a group of Estonian editors and everyone else as an "Estonian-Russian ethnic conflict". This is what the trio wants everyone to believe, and that's what even ArbCom apparently bought into. The initiator of the case, User:Irpen, is an ethnic Ukrainian who lives in the States, for crying out loud. Bishonen, accused by Digwuren of being an "associate member of Cartel USSR Forever!", hails from Sweden and has not been known to edit USSR-related topics at all. Other major participants on the supposedly "Russian" side also have very little Russian about them; what they do share is the anti-Fascist sentiment. Let's take a look at their take on the situation:
- User:Petri Krohn, a Finnish editor, alerted the sysops: "The Bronze Soldier controversy brought along a wave of new users from Estonia. Some of these are single-purpose-accounts, with an aim of waging the Russian-Estonian propaganda war on Wikipedia. <...> For the last two month I have been the largest foreign contributor (I am Finnish) to Estonia related articles. During this time I have created 11 new Estonia related articles (one in DYK) and significantly contributed to one In-the-News article. For my contributions I have been under constant attack by the ringleader and his puppets. Most of my contributions to Estonia related articles have been summarily reverted, usually in under ten minutes."
- User:Paul Pieniezny, a Belgian editor (fraudulently described as "Ghirla's compatriot" on the Evidence page): As far as the Bronze Soldier is concerned, any attempt of mine to keep the words "fight against fascism" in the text was summarily reverted within minutes.
- User:Otto ter Haar, a Dutch editor: I am also independent and arrived while surfing at a heavily biased page about an Estonian politician. An attempt to unbias it failed on revert warring and insults from Digwuren.
- User:RJ CG, a Canadian editor: "I have to point out that not only complaints from number of different users are almost identical, but accounts listed in those complaints are almost identical too. I guess admins have a choice between believing many unconnected users who complain about identical destructive behaviour of same group on very different topics and believing this very group, as nobody came forward to clear them" (one of his first edits in Wikipedia)
The hunt for RJ CG
The case of RJ CG is highly instructive in illustrating how effectively and ruthlessly the Tartu trio discredits their good-faith opponents and turns them into revert warriors. Unlike his opponents, at first RJ CG did what a wikipedian involved in an edit conflict was supposed to do: provided sources for his edits and attempted to discuss them on talk pages. By way of response, he was summarily reverted as a "vandal" and unvariably treated to a range of hollow threats (Digwuren: "You should refrain from disruptive editing in the future, lest the Mighty Hammer of Wikipedian Justice fall upon you") and revolting anti-vandalism templates (Digwuren: "you will be blocked from editing", Digwuren: "this is your last warning", another "last warning" from Digwuren, one more, a vandalism warning from Sander).
The user, who replied to each rude outburst with addition and discussion of neutral sources for his edits and, as he expressedly states on his talk page, refused to activate e-mail lest he be accused of cabalism, eventually fell a collateral victim of an ANI thread mentioned below and was blocked for violating WP:NPOV, WP:SYNTH, and WP:OR. After he expressed his astonishment that people are blocked for violating these policies, the block reason was changed to WP:3RR (although there appears to have been no violation either).
The editor commented: "Would it have been bannable offence, neither of you guys (Korps! Estonia) with your repeated POV-pushing and false accusations of anyone who have misfortune not to share your POV would survive on wiki past mid-May". Also: "I tried to be nice and quiet with you, just patiently correcting your distorted statements and being very attentive about supporting my every edit with a relevant NPOV source and just ignoring your libelous and overblown accusations. It did not work". He also asked the blocking admin to "be so kind as to point out any sequence of events when I initiated edit wars", but was ignored. These developments may be traced on his talk page.
A month later, User:ProhibitOnions used the precedent of the first (and very questionable) block to issue another 48h block for "edit warring", while absolving a bunch of RJ CG's opponents from any reproach whatsoever. He flatly refused to explain his rationale for singling out this particular editor, and the subject was extensively discussed on WP:AN. The Estonian editors dismissed the thread as an "odious slur", and, within a week, their opponent was blocked again, this time for a week, based on IRC communications. The blocking admin did not even bother to inform the blockee about the block.[153] Frankly, this is amazing. After this sequence of administrative actions RJ CG effectively retired from active editing, leaving Digwuren and Co without their last opponent in content disputes.
Attack pages against Petri Krohn
- User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn (now deleted)
- Opinion by User:Akhilleus: "As an example we might look at the contributions to User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn; if that page does not result in an actual user conduct RfC in short order, I suggest that it be deleted as an attack page, because right now it seems like a forum for a group of editors to complain about Petri Krohn."[154]
- Moved to Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Petri Krohn, with the locus of the dispute alleged to be "long-term pattern of attempts to represent private fantasies as historical fact coupled with hostile attitude towards any criticism, regularly leading to ethnic insults against Baltic editors".
- As a prerequisite to filing the request, Digwuren addressed Petri on his talk page: "If your soul will not let you have a peace of mind without working on yet another alternative history of the week, please, kindly, use the sandbox, your own userspace, or preferrably Uncyclopedia. Starting a blog is not a bad idea, either."
- Bishonen doubts that Digwuren's address was aimed at dispute resolution: "Posting a flame on Petri Krohn's talkpage, accusing him of inserting weird fantasies, of being a WP:TROLL, etc etc, emphatically does not equate to attempted dispute resolution—it's more likely to escalate than to resolve the dispute."
- After prolonged bickering on talk page, User:DrKiernan deleted the RfC as "uncertified".
- Bishonen doubts that Digwuren's address was aimed at dispute resolution: "Posting a flame on Petri Krohn's talkpage, accusing him of inserting weird fantasies, of being a WP:TROLL, etc etc, emphatically does not equate to attempted dispute resolution—it's more likely to escalate than to resolve the dispute."
- As a prerequisite to filing the request, Digwuren addressed Petri on his talk page: "If your soul will not let you have a peace of mind without working on yet another alternative history of the week, please, kindly, use the sandbox, your own userspace, or preferrably Uncyclopedia. Starting a blog is not a bad idea, either."
- Moved to Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Petri Krohn, with the locus of the dispute alleged to be "long-term pattern of attempts to represent private fantasies as historical fact coupled with hostile attitude towards any criticism, regularly leading to ethnic insults against Baltic editors".
- Opinion by User:Akhilleus: "As an example we might look at the contributions to User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn; if that page does not result in an actual user conduct RfC in short order, I suggest that it be deleted as an attack page, because right now it seems like a forum for a group of editors to complain about Petri Krohn."[154]
- User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn's Story of Estonians (now deleted)
- Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn's Story of Estonians
- "It relates a version of events, ascribed to another user, which is then mocked for being wildly inaccurate. It's not a good faith compilation of any sort of evidence, and is quite plainly a personal attack on Petri Krohn" (User:Haemo).
- "Delete, this is an attack page" (User:Neil).
- "There's nothing attacky with such a compilation" (Digwuren).
- "It may also aid Petri Krohn in organising his thoughts, which is certainly a dangerous perspective" (Digwuren).
- "I wouldn't mind extending the scope further, to include ideas of Roobit and Ghirlandajo, actually. They appear to be reasonably mutually consistent, and skewed in the similar manner" (Digwuren).
- "You have not displayed enough weird beliefs to warrant a full article about them, so I lack sufficient data" (Digwuren to Ghirla).
- "Compared to Krohn's own user page subpages this material is politically correct, non-offensive and rather useful" (Suva).
- Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Digwuren/Petri Krohn's Story of Estonians
Block shopping
One of the most annoying tricks practiced by Digwuren and Suva is block shopping on ANI, without bothering to notify their opponent about the discussion. This leads to longish sterile threads, of which there have been a number. Let me highlight the following ANI threads started by the Tartu-based accounts:
- 1 June, Digwuren: "Cmapm has repeatedly reverted Estonian SSR into a former, less detailed and less sourced version", etc. // Participants: Digwuren, Alexia Death, Staberinde
- 19 June, Martintg: "This case seems to be yet another phase in Petri Krohn's ongoing vendetta against a group of editors for no other reason than they happen to be ethnic Estonian". // Participants: Martintg, Digwuren, Colchicum
- 23 June, Suva: "I am asking administrative advice on that user. He was blocked before for editwarring but obviously this didn't help".
- 11 July, Suva: "User:Ghirlandajo pushing his political POV in inappropriate places. Latest examplew was when that user continues trolling on AfD page," etc.
- Reply by User:FayssalF: "As for the AfD, I really do not see anything alarming. It is a debate and one has to expect some comments that would hurt although within Wikipedia policy".[155]
- Grossly misleading retort by Digwuren: "Well, comments on the order of "Estonians are evil Nazis who must be hated" are certainly inappropriate... Ghirlandajo wants the AFD participants to be inflamed, in the hope that this would derail the discussion."
- Reply by User:FayssalF: "As for the AfD, I really do not see anything alarming. It is a debate and one has to expect some comments that would hurt although within Wikipedia policy".[155]
- Ghirla provides links to Digwuren's trolling, with the conclusion: "This is my first and last reply to this".
- Taunting: "Wait a sec... Please explain" (Suva); Wanna bet no explanation will ever come? (Digwuren); Prove the accusation - or apologize; you expect your editcount to carry you through everything (Sander); may I point out that this user has in the very recent past ended up on this very board already twice, here and here! (Alexia), etc.
- Digwuren recommends "administrative action to deal with the continuous WP:CIV violation" on the part of Ghirla.
- Fayssal's reaction: Here we can't block someone relying on vague accusations.
- Digwuren recommends "administrative action to deal with the continuous WP:CIV violation" on the part of Ghirla.
- 16 July, Alexia: "Petri Krohn propagates slander and rumors in most inappropriate places... I hope something is to stop these attempts to drive certain editors away sole based on their nationality...
- Ghirla's reply: "It is annoying to spend the better part of a day watching their endless and meaningless diatribes on high-traffic noticeboards."
- Jenochman endorses Alexia's complaint with the following advice: "Rather than bring this case here, Alexia, did you try asking nicely for Petri to strike his inappropriate comment? That's the normal first step".
- Ghirla suggests to remove the offensive remark
- Alexia restores it, resumes block shopping: "So your view is that there are problems, but lets not deal with them?"
- Fayssal to Alexia: You'd have been blocked by now as per my message above.
- Ghirla appeals to reason: "You have been ill advised to bring every petty dispute to this page hoping that your opponent will be blocked. The view that block shopping is efficient has some currency in the project (see Piotr's message above), but I assure you that no amount of ANI bickering will resolve your dispute with history and fellow wikipedians. You are mistaken in believing that regular abuse of this page (look how the heading is phrased) will result in character assassination of your opponents."
- Suva about Ghirla: "I don't understand why some of the biggest trolls here are still throwing fæces around and not spending their time on being blocked?"
- Ghirla appeals to reason: "You have been ill advised to bring every petty dispute to this page hoping that your opponent will be blocked. The view that block shopping is efficient has some currency in the project (see Piotr's message above), but I assure you that no amount of ANI bickering will resolve your dispute with history and fellow wikipedians. You are mistaken in believing that regular abuse of this page (look how the heading is phrased) will result in character assassination of your opponents."
- Fayssal to Alexia: You'd have been blocked by now as per my message above.
- Alexia restores it, resumes block shopping: "So your view is that there are problems, but lets not deal with them?"
- Dbachmann supports blocks for Petri and Alexia: "This has got to stop, WP admins don't have time to prance around with every incidence of provincial hatemongering breaking out on AfD".
- Fayssal F blocks RJ CG for 48 hours for "tedious editing" and Petri Krohn for 72 h. for "provocative comments". Alexia is not blocked for this.
- Ghirla's rant: "FayssalF, thank you for demonstrating that block shopping on WP:ANI is so efficient these days... Given your prompt "reaction", you will see tons of forum shopping on this page from the same accounts. This is both a token of the admins' ineptitude to handle a rather complex editing dispute and a potent signal to the trolls what they are expected to do in order to have their opponent blocked from Wikipedia for a considerable period of time. It was not Petri who started flamefests on this page."
- FayssalF blocks Digwuren for a week for "tendentious editing and edit warring"
- Blocked Petri Krohn "offers his sincere apologies to Estonian editors who may have been offended by his uncivil comment".
- FayssalF blocks Digwuren for a week for "tendentious editing and edit warring"
- Ghirla's rant: "FayssalF, thank you for demonstrating that block shopping on WP:ANI is so efficient these days... Given your prompt "reaction", you will see tons of forum shopping on this page from the same accounts. This is both a token of the admins' ineptitude to handle a rather complex editing dispute and a potent signal to the trolls what they are expected to do in order to have their opponent blocked from Wikipedia for a considerable period of time. It was not Petri who started flamefests on this page."
- Fayssal F blocks RJ CG for 48 hours for "tedious editing" and Petri Krohn for 72 h. for "provocative comments". Alexia is not blocked for this.
- User:Dc76 accuses Fayssal of "admin abuse", demands his admin rights to be suspended for a week and Digwuren unblocked.[156]
- User:Tom harrison endorses the block.
- User:Piotrus steps up to defend Digwuren: "I am suprised with the block duration of a week. The user may have wanted to rewrite the deleted article into something more civil and neutral, and we should not assume bad faith that he was attempting to be disruptive by recreating afd article."
- Erik expresses regret that "Ghirla's vandalism and continuing slander has once again escaped again without any consequences".
- User:KillerChihuahua points out to incivility on the part of Martintg: "There surely is a more civil way to state your disagreement with Bishonen's assessment of Digwuren's contributions than calling her conclusion "utter nonsense". Are you trying to insult and start a fight, or just phrasing yourself very poorly?"
- Deskana unblocks Digwuren "to participate in RFC and/or mediation cases ONLY". Neither did materialise.
- User:KillerChihuahua points out to incivility on the part of Martintg: "There surely is a more civil way to state your disagreement with Bishonen's assessment of Digwuren's contributions than calling her conclusion "utter nonsense". Are you trying to insult and start a fight, or just phrasing yourself very poorly?"
- Erik expresses regret that "Ghirla's vandalism and continuing slander has once again escaped again without any consequences".
- User:Piotrus steps up to defend Digwuren: "I am suprised with the block duration of a week. The user may have wanted to rewrite the deleted article into something more civil and neutral, and we should not assume bad faith that he was attempting to be disruptive by recreating afd article."
- User:Tom harrison endorses the block.
- Ghirla suggests to remove the offensive remark
- Jenochman endorses Alexia's complaint with the following advice: "Rather than bring this case here, Alexia, did you try asking nicely for Petri to strike his inappropriate comment? That's the normal first step".
- Ghirla's reply: "It is annoying to spend the better part of a day watching their endless and meaningless diatribes on high-traffic noticeboards."
- 19 September, Suva: Ghirla's "behaviour is disruptive to wikipedia", etc. (referring to my comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moderated nuclear explosion where I was accused by Digwuren of "smearing people I hate")
- Digwuren seconds these anti-Ghirla rants: "How about a block, indefinite but to be lifted immediately upon display of remorse?"
- Bishonen's reaction: "When you're trying to troll, you mean".
- Digwuren's new rant, this time against Bishonen: "You shouldn't put your trust into Bishonen here... it's about a cabal -- which she supports... the so-called Cartel USSR Forever! -- whose associate member Bishonen appears to be..."
- At this point, someone speedily closed the thread.
- Digwuren's new rant, this time against Bishonen: "You shouldn't put your trust into Bishonen here... it's about a cabal -- which she supports... the so-called Cartel USSR Forever! -- whose associate member Bishonen appears to be..."
- Paul Pieniezny's observation: "Now compare that to what happened at that AFD: 3 of the Korp! members seem to have suddenly changed their signature, Alexia Death the Grey being the third member concerned. Digwuren even changed in the middle of the discussion. Unless Digwuren has started work on Chinese Wikipedia, I fail to see any other reason for that change than the fact that they want to avoid being associated with that RfAr, or with disruption elsewhere on Wikipedia".
Digwuren admits his WP:POINT issues
After Estophobia ended up by being deleted, Digwuren immediately started the articles Estophilia and Anti-Estonian sentiment. The community's protests were ignored: "Under *that* criteria, everything done on Wikipedia is for POINT. Heck, Wikipedia itself is POINT, specifically, "Wikipedia is possible"!" After that, he was blocked for tendentious editing, but immediately started a list, Molobo-style, advertising plans of further tendentious edits.
Note on off-wiki activities
In addition to my concerns about the trio's abuse of IRC above, I may note that the channel was definitely exploited by them for recruiting supporters who, after a brief conversation with them, were known to step into the Estonia-related conflicts on their side. As for incivility, I logged into the channel on two occasions, under different names, to check whether they really engage in block shopping and taunting Bishonen as a "b-witch" (as I had been told they do). I found the logs of the first episode when I browsed the web for "ghirlandajo" and "digwuren"; it appears that they have been posted by someone here. A day or two later, I logged in again, this time as Ghirlandajo, only to discover Suva accusing User:Dmcdevit (who had admonished him to remain civil) of being a sockpuppet of either RJ CG or Irpen. That was pretty surreal, and I don't think that I will ever go to IRC again, after painful experiences of this sort.
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