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:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:'' I accept. I want to thank Pedro and Doug for their nominations as well as other users who have encouraged me to run for a few months, and for their trust and confidence in me. I will endeavor to answer all questions in a timely manner. Thanks, < |
:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:'' I accept. I want to thank Pedro and Doug for their nominations as well as other users who have encouraged me to run for a few months, and for their trust and confidence in me. I will endeavor to answer all questions in a timely manner. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 12:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
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====Questions for the candidate==== |
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;Additional question from [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry]] |
;Additional question from [[User:Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry|Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry]] |
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:'''4.''' Are you open to recall? |
:'''4.''' Are you open to recall? |
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::'''A:''' In short, yes: I would be open to recall if an RfC on my actions closed with the opinion I had misused the tools. I agree that administrators should be held accountable for their actions, however don't think that making myself subject to a complex and arbitrary recall criteria is the way to do it. I have full confidence in our dispute resolution system, so if an RFC was opened which was closed with the opinion that I had misused my admin tools, I would resign. < |
::'''A:''' In short, yes: I would be open to recall if an RfC on my actions closed with the opinion I had misused the tools. I agree that administrators should be held accountable for their actions, however don't think that making myself subject to a complex and arbitrary recall criteria is the way to do it. I have full confidence in our dispute resolution system, so if an RFC was opened which was closed with the opinion that I had misused my admin tools, I would resign. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 01:22, 6 November 2011 (UTC) |
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;Additional question from [[User:Ebe123|Ebe123]] |
;Additional question from [[User:Ebe123|Ebe123]] |
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:'''5.''' What's your opinion on [[WP:ABUSE]] and [[WP:LTA]]? |
:'''5.''' What's your opinion on [[WP:ABUSE]] and [[WP:LTA]]? |
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::'''A:''' To be completely honest, I have no strong opinion on either page, and that is mainly because I am somewhat unfamiliar with them. I do however think that [[WP:LTA]] has the potential to be somewhat counter productive. While it does help document the editing habits of the user and can be a useful point of reference for editors and administrators, it does at the same time does appear to go against the idea of [[WP:DENY|denying recognition]]. Giving a serial troublemaker a page all about them in my opinion may encourage them to continue the behaviour, as opposed to the effect that just blocking them and undoing their edits would have. It also has the potential for allowing the user to change their mode of operation. If we have a page that says, "User:X creates 10 socks, with each they will edit 10 articles related to Pokemon to become auto confirmed and then start changing the dates in articles without references" then it's likely they will change how they do things to become less detectable. I have no real strong opinion on Abuse response, it looks like a specialised board for a specialised task, and isn't handled elsewhere. Continuous vandalism from an IP has to be dealt with somehow, blocks work too but at times can cause collateral damage, so this looks like an appropriate way to have it dealt with in the long term, contacting the ISP. < |
::'''A:''' To be completely honest, I have no strong opinion on either page, and that is mainly because I am somewhat unfamiliar with them. I do however think that [[WP:LTA]] has the potential to be somewhat counter productive. While it does help document the editing habits of the user and can be a useful point of reference for editors and administrators, it does at the same time does appear to go against the idea of [[WP:DENY|denying recognition]]. Giving a serial troublemaker a page all about them in my opinion may encourage them to continue the behaviour, as opposed to the effect that just blocking them and undoing their edits would have. It also has the potential for allowing the user to change their mode of operation. If we have a page that says, "User:X creates 10 socks, with each they will edit 10 articles related to Pokemon to become auto confirmed and then start changing the dates in articles without references" then it's likely they will change how they do things to become less detectable. I have no real strong opinion on Abuse response, it looks like a specialised board for a specialised task, and isn't handled elsewhere. Continuous vandalism from an IP has to be dealt with somehow, blocks work too but at times can cause collateral damage, so this looks like an appropriate way to have it dealt with in the long term, contacting the ISP. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 22:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
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;Additional question from [[User:Divide et Impera|Divide et Impera]] |
;Additional question from [[User:Divide et Impera|Divide et Impera]] |
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:'''6.''' Creating [[WP:DRN]] is per se a notable achievement, but I would like to know more: whose idea was it and how active you were in implementing it. Also I would like to know if it was mainly implemented to relieve work in WP:ANI and WP:AE or if there were other reasons. Thanks! |
:'''6.''' Creating [[WP:DRN]] is per se a notable achievement, but I would like to know more: whose idea was it and how active you were in implementing it. Also I would like to know if it was mainly implemented to relieve work in WP:ANI and WP:AE or if there were other reasons. Thanks! |
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::'''A:''' The creation of DRN was my idea, though what it has become is the result of bright ideas from many editors. I first had a vague idea of a noticeboard after commenting at an RFC on dispute resolution ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dispute_resolution&diff=431350448&oldid=431149712 See my comment there]), and after that worked up a proposal for the Village Pump ([[Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29/Archive_74#Dispute_resolution_noticeboard|that discussion is here]]). Initially, it was more designed to be a board that would solve very small disputes and direct other larger issues to other forums, such as MedCab, a third opinion, or an RFC. It was also initially designed to direct content disputes away from ANI, and it was proposed to also close [[WP:WQA|WQA]] and the [[WP:CNB|content noticeboard]] (it was decided to keep WQA open, CNB was closed later). After discussion, which resulted in a consensus to try out the board, it went active (I had already drafted the page). I am quite happy with how it has turned out, even though it is in it's still a relatively new process. |
::'''A:''' The creation of DRN was my idea, though what it has become is the result of bright ideas from many editors. I first had a vague idea of a noticeboard after commenting at an RFC on dispute resolution ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Dispute_resolution&diff=431350448&oldid=431149712 See my comment there]), and after that worked up a proposal for the Village Pump ([[Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29/Archive_74#Dispute_resolution_noticeboard|that discussion is here]]). Initially, it was more designed to be a board that would solve very small disputes and direct other larger issues to other forums, such as MedCab, a third opinion, or an RFC. It was also initially designed to direct content disputes away from ANI, and it was proposed to also close [[WP:WQA|WQA]] and the [[WP:CNB|content noticeboard]] (it was decided to keep WQA open, CNB was closed later). After discussion, which resulted in a consensus to try out the board, it went active (I had already drafted the page). I am quite happy with how it has turned out, even though it is in it's still a relatively new process. |
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::As for the second part of your question, the main reason for me implementing DRN was to better organise content dispute resolution. Having worked at MedCab for quite some time, I noticed a lot of disputes that were filed there did not really suit MedCab, they were either very small disputes, conduct issues, or misunderstandings of policy. The lack of visibility was also an issue I saw, MedCab cases would often sit on the new cases list and rot. DRN has been designed to create a "starting point" for the resolution of content disputes, as well as a way to get many eyes on a dispute to aid in quick resolution. I also feel that because of the creation of DRN, it has had an effect on ANI, while I haven't checked, I would imagine less content disputes get listed there, and they would be sent to DRN if they are. I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction. < |
::As for the second part of your question, the main reason for me implementing DRN was to better organise content dispute resolution. Having worked at MedCab for quite some time, I noticed a lot of disputes that were filed there did not really suit MedCab, they were either very small disputes, conduct issues, or misunderstandings of policy. The lack of visibility was also an issue I saw, MedCab cases would often sit on the new cases list and rot. DRN has been designed to create a "starting point" for the resolution of content disputes, as well as a way to get many eyes on a dispute to aid in quick resolution. I also feel that because of the creation of DRN, it has had an effect on ANI, while I haven't checked, I would imagine less content disputes get listed there, and they would be sent to DRN if they are. I hope this answers your question to your satisfaction. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 20:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
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;Optional question from →<span style="font-family:Euclid Fraktur">[[User:Σ|<span style="color:#BA0000;">Σ</span>]][[User talk:Σ|<span style="color:#003366;">τ</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Σ|<span style="color:#003366;">c</span>]].</span> |
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:'''7.''' As an administrator, you will come across some extremely vulgar language and often come under attack for your actions. You will most likely have to deal with some fairly troublesome users. The users you block will sometimes ask to be unblocked. Please review the very [[NSFW]] scenario outlined {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|User:Xenocidic/RFAQ|below|at [[User:Xenocidic/RFAQ]]}} and describe how you would respond to the IP's request to be unblocked. |
:'''7.''' As an administrator, you will come across some extremely vulgar language and often come under attack for your actions. You will most likely have to deal with some fairly troublesome users. The users you block will sometimes ask to be unblocked. Please review the very [[NSFW]] scenario outlined {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|User:Xenocidic/RFAQ|below|at [[User:Xenocidic/RFAQ]]}} and describe how you would respond to the IP's request to be unblocked. |
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::'''A:''' There's a few things I'd consider in this situation, the type of IP address, the edits they made, and the wording of the unblock request. The IP is semi-permanent, so while on one hand collateral damage from a block would be low, on the other it is more likely that the user making the edits on Monday is the same one that edited five days before hand. This is also backed up by the fact that on both occasions they edited articles related to dentistry. As for their edits, all but one was either vandalism or an attack on another editor. Two of the three unblock requests they made were also either rude or disruptive. That said, they did make one reasonable edit and their last unblock request was reasonable. |
::'''A:''' There's a few things I'd consider in this situation, the type of IP address, the edits they made, and the wording of the unblock request. The IP is semi-permanent, so while on one hand collateral damage from a block would be low, on the other it is more likely that the user making the edits on Monday is the same one that edited five days before hand. This is also backed up by the fact that on both occasions they edited articles related to dentistry. As for their edits, all but one was either vandalism or an attack on another editor. Two of the three unblock requests they made were also either rude or disruptive. That said, they did make one reasonable edit and their last unblock request was reasonable. |
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::Having considered all the circumstances, I would decline the unblock request, however provide them a {{tl|2nd chance}}. Normally blocks I place I would leave for another administrator to review, but in this situation I think that there's no issue with this course of action. I see their interests are related to dentistry, so I'd suggest they select an article that interests them to improve, and keep an eye on their talk page. We're unable to see someone's true intentions from words only, but their actions. If they are genuine about wanting to do the right thing, they would jump at the opportunity to prove themselves. While blocks are cheap and relatively easy to re-apply for issues like vandalism, given their history I think this is the best way to open the door back for them, but minimise the potential for further disruption to the encyclopaedia. It seems like a win-win situation to me. They may opt to take up the offer and improve an article. Or they may not. Either way, no harm has been done. < |
::Having considered all the circumstances, I would decline the unblock request, however provide them a {{tl|2nd chance}}. Normally blocks I place I would leave for another administrator to review, but in this situation I think that there's no issue with this course of action. I see their interests are related to dentistry, so I'd suggest they select an article that interests them to improve, and keep an eye on their talk page. We're unable to see someone's true intentions from words only, but their actions. If they are genuine about wanting to do the right thing, they would jump at the opportunity to prove themselves. While blocks are cheap and relatively easy to re-apply for issues like vandalism, given their history I think this is the best way to open the door back for them, but minimise the potential for further disruption to the encyclopaedia. It seems like a win-win situation to me. They may opt to take up the offer and improve an article. Or they may not. Either way, no harm has been done. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 23:37, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
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;Additional questions from [[User:Surturz|Surturz]] |
;Additional questions from [[User:Surturz|Surturz]] |
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:'''8.''' Have you participated in any off-wiki (e.g. email) communication in regards to this RfA? |
:'''8.''' Have you participated in any off-wiki (e.g. email) communication in regards to this RfA? |
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::'''A:''' Yes, I have. Over the past few months I have been approached through email and IRC by editors asking me why I am not an admin, if I intend to run for RFA, or even offering to nominate me. Before I started this RFA, I discussed the events of 2008 to ensure I didn't leave anything out and presented a full and complete picture in this rfa. I had these discussions between myself and both current and former members of the Arbitration Committee, users that were involved at the time. In addition I also discussed this with my nominators. As is usual with an editor who is considering an RFA I asked a few of the most experienced editors, including my nominators, to see if they thought if I was ready for RFA. |
::'''A:''' Yes, I have. Over the past few months I have been approached through email and IRC by editors asking me why I am not an admin, if I intend to run for RFA, or even offering to nominate me. Before I started this RFA, I discussed the events of 2008 to ensure I didn't leave anything out and presented a full and complete picture in this rfa. I had these discussions between myself and both current and former members of the Arbitration Committee, users that were involved at the time. In addition I also discussed this with my nominators. As is usual with an editor who is considering an RFA I asked a few of the most experienced editors, including my nominators, to see if they thought if I was ready for RFA. |
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::Given the increasing rarity of RFA's, there is always disscusion on IRC in #wikipedia-en about new admin requests and this RFA has been no different in that regard. However, it has just been general chatter and I do try to keep out of them bar the obvious acknowledgement of "yes I am at RFA" and thanking them when someone says something like "good luck". |
::Given the increasing rarity of RFA's, there is always disscusion on IRC in #wikipedia-en about new admin requests and this RFA has been no different in that regard. However, it has just been general chatter and I do try to keep out of them bar the obvious acknowledgement of "yes I am at RFA" and thanking them when someone says something like "good luck". |
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:'''9.''' Has there been any off-wiki canvassing for your RfA either by you or other editors? < |
:'''9.''' Has there been any off-wiki canvassing for your RfA either by you or other editors? <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 05:57, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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::'''A:''' As far as I am aware, no, there has not been any canvassing by myself or anyone else in regards to this RFA, either for or against me. A few editors have expressly asked me to let them know when this RFA was going live but there have not been any unsolicited approaches by myself or to the best of my knowledge, by anyone else to get responses to this page. < |
::'''A:''' As far as I am aware, no, there has not been any canvassing by myself or anyone else in regards to this RFA, either for or against me. A few editors have expressly asked me to let them know when this RFA was going live but there have not been any unsolicited approaches by myself or to the best of my knowledge, by anyone else to get responses to this page. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 05:57, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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::I also edit from mobile devices, these are always with me but are protected by a pass code lock. No one else knows my pass code. I also lock my computer when I step away from it. I rarely edit from public computers, but have an alternate account, [[User:Steve Public]], for that purpose when I do. |
::I also edit from mobile devices, these are always with me but are protected by a pass code lock. No one else knows my pass code. I also lock my computer when I step away from it. I rarely edit from public computers, but have an alternate account, [[User:Steve Public]], for that purpose when I do. |
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::In unlikely the event my account is compromised, I have the contact numbers of three Wikipedians who can verify my real life identity. I have seen this as redundant to a committed identity, so have not utilized one. < |
::In unlikely the event my account is compromised, I have the contact numbers of three Wikipedians who can verify my real life identity. I have seen this as redundant to a committed identity, so have not utilized one. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 22:49, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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;Optional questions from Ched. |
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:'''11.''' I was notified off-wiki by multiple people of this RfA within an hour of it's transclusion. (not by Steve, but perhaps because I was the primary nom of the 2009 RfA). The gist of many of the contacts I received revolved around the issues of socking(?), the Mellie account, your wife(?), the harassment she endured - and/or your use of that and any other account(s). While I could indeed answer some of the questions myself, I also believe in a right to privacy and value any confidentiality you've entrusted to me, so: As far as you are comfortable in disclosing any of your personal details, could you inform us as to the following. Are you still married to this "Mellie" account? Is your wife still an active editor on WP? (one link simply lead to a page that stated the user name was to prevent impersonation) Do you use "her" account, (under what name) and does she use yours? Do you both share the same computer? .. and what security measures have you instituted to ensure that any administrative actions or editing from the "Steve Zang" account are actually "you" .. and not your wife? What steps have you taken to protect her/yourself/your family from any further or future harassment? — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? </font>]]</span></small> 18:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
:'''11.''' I was notified off-wiki by multiple people of this RfA within an hour of it's transclusion. (not by Steve, but perhaps because I was the primary nom of the 2009 RfA). The gist of many of the contacts I received revolved around the issues of socking(?), the Mellie account, your wife(?), the harassment she endured - and/or your use of that and any other account(s). While I could indeed answer some of the questions myself, I also believe in a right to privacy and value any confidentiality you've entrusted to me, so: As far as you are comfortable in disclosing any of your personal details, could you inform us as to the following. Are you still married to this "Mellie" account? Is your wife still an active editor on WP? (one link simply lead to a page that stated the user name was to prevent impersonation) Do you use "her" account, (under what name) and does she use yours? Do you both share the same computer? .. and what security measures have you instituted to ensure that any administrative actions or editing from the "Steve Zang" account are actually "you" .. and not your wife? What steps have you taken to protect her/yourself/your family from any further or future harassment? — <small><span style="border:1px solid #000000;padding:1px;"><b>[[User:Ched Davis|Ched]]</b> : [[User_talk:Ched Davis|<font style="color:#FFFFFF;background:#0000fa;"> ? </font>]]</span></small> 18:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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::However, you bring up some things that I didn't realize people might have thought. I ''never'' shared accounts with Melissa. I never had her password and to the best of my knowledge she never had mine; we didn't normally even share computers; however my security measures with regard to my family were not as good then. In their comment below, [[User:Tiptoety]] details the one incident in which Melissa got control of my account in August 2008 (I had failed to log out) and used it to do harm to the encyclopedia and to me (this also just happened to be the "unrelated matter" that I mentioned in the fourth paragraph of my [[User:Steven Zhang/Disclosure|disclosure]]). |
::However, you bring up some things that I didn't realize people might have thought. I ''never'' shared accounts with Melissa. I never had her password and to the best of my knowledge she never had mine; we didn't normally even share computers; however my security measures with regard to my family were not as good then. In their comment below, [[User:Tiptoety]] details the one incident in which Melissa got control of my account in August 2008 (I had failed to log out) and used it to do harm to the encyclopedia and to me (this also just happened to be the "unrelated matter" that I mentioned in the fourth paragraph of my [[User:Steven Zhang/Disclosure|disclosure]]). |
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::I think your questions about the security measures that I have taken are fully addressed in my answer to Q10, above, but if not, let me know. I would rather not discuss steps I may have taken to prevent harassment, I feel it would be a bit [[WP:BEANS|beansey]]. < |
::I think your questions about the security measures that I have taken are fully addressed in my answer to Q10, above, but if not, let me know. I would rather not discuss steps I may have taken to prevent harassment, I feel it would be a bit [[WP:BEANS|beansey]]. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 22:49, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:'''12.''' Hi, would you list which articles you have created (or the most major ones if there are many) and indicate which have attained GA, FA or been featured in DYK, please? |
:'''12.''' Hi, would you list which articles you have created (or the most major ones if there are many) and indicate which have attained GA, FA or been featured in DYK, please? |
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::'''A:''' Sure. While I haven't started many new articles, I have done a few expansions. As can be seen by my [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Steven+Zhang&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia edit stats], a lot of my content work has been around the TV series ''24''. The most significant one to me was rewriting most of [[24 (TV series)]], for which it was promoted to Good Article status. I also recently expanded [[Amanda Fraser]] to DYK. In the past, I wrote [[Ziegler Polar Expedition]] (a DYK) and collaborated with a few others to rewrite [[Martha Logan]] to Good Article status (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martha_Logan&diff=next&oldid=203560819 before rewrite]) and ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martha_Logan&oldid=210668961 after rewrite)]. < |
::'''A:''' Sure. While I haven't started many new articles, I have done a few expansions. As can be seen by my [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Steven+Zhang&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia edit stats], a lot of my content work has been around the TV series ''24''. The most significant one to me was rewriting most of [[24 (TV series)]], for which it was promoted to Good Article status. I also recently expanded [[Amanda Fraser]] to DYK. In the past, I wrote [[Ziegler Polar Expedition]] (a DYK) and collaborated with a few others to rewrite [[Martha Logan]] to Good Article status (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martha_Logan&diff=next&oldid=203560819 before rewrite]) and ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Martha_Logan&oldid=210668961 after rewrite)]. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 05:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:'''13.''' I see that you had problems transcluding your RfA from your iPhone [[User_talk:Steven_Zhang#Nom.2C_nom.2C_nom]]. Will you be using your iPhone to perform Admin duties? Do you recognise/anticipate any additional security implications related to the use of a mobile device? |
:'''13.''' I see that you had problems transcluding your RfA from your iPhone [[User_talk:Steven_Zhang#Nom.2C_nom.2C_nom]]. Will you be using your iPhone to perform Admin duties? Do you recognise/anticipate any additional security implications related to the use of a mobile device? |
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::'''A''': Indeed, I had issues. I account it mainly to having such a small screen and a tiny keyboard, so not being able to see the "big picture" in regards to transclusion. I've generally used this account on my iPhone because the potential for damage is low (say typos, bad formatting and transclusion, accidentally rolling back an edit), as opposed to something admin related, such as block that I miss important details on. So in short, no I would not use my admin account on my iPhone, rather I'd use my alternate account {{user|Steve on an iPhone}}. While I see the potential issues from editing from a mobile device, I feel I have addressed these concerns in my answer to Q10, but in short my mobile devices are protected by a pass code and are always with me anyways. < |
::'''A''': Indeed, I had issues. I account it mainly to having such a small screen and a tiny keyboard, so not being able to see the "big picture" in regards to transclusion. I've generally used this account on my iPhone because the potential for damage is low (say typos, bad formatting and transclusion, accidentally rolling back an edit), as opposed to something admin related, such as block that I miss important details on. So in short, no I would not use my admin account on my iPhone, rather I'd use my alternate account {{user|Steve on an iPhone}}. While I see the potential issues from editing from a mobile device, I feel I have addressed these concerns in my answer to Q10, but in short my mobile devices are protected by a pass code and are always with me anyways. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 12:42, 9 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:'''Comment''': With due respect to opposers, I think the IRC concerns are overblown. As someone who frequents #wikipedia-en, I count at most 25 or so names I recognise from there (barring timezone differences), and a good portion aren't even regulars. Furthermore, as with any other venue, friendships are formed on IRC, but it does not negate the judgment of its participants. IRC certainly affects judgment, as it shows more of the candidate's conduct, but that really cuts both ways. [[User:Wctaiwan|wctaiwan]] ([[User talk:Wctaiwan|talk]]) 05:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC) |
:'''Comment''': With due respect to opposers, I think the IRC concerns are overblown. As someone who frequents #wikipedia-en, I count at most 25 or so names I recognise from there (barring timezone differences), and a good portion aren't even regulars. Furthermore, as with any other venue, friendships are formed on IRC, but it does not negate the judgment of its participants. IRC certainly affects judgment, as it shows more of the candidate's conduct, but that really cuts both ways. [[User:Wctaiwan|wctaiwan]] ([[User talk:Wctaiwan|talk]]) 05:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC) |
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:I want to thank my nominators as well as the 120 odd supporters in my adminship request here. I have been watching the RFA for some time now and while I intended to see it through to the end, I acknowledge the numerous points raised by those in opposition and realise that there are many things I can improve on. I intend to continue doing what I've been doing for the last six months and will work on improving myself, but at this time I have decided to withdraw my candidacy. Regards, < |
:I want to thank my nominators as well as the 120 odd supporters in my adminship request here. I have been watching the RFA for some time now and while I intended to see it through to the end, I acknowledge the numerous points raised by those in opposition and realise that there are many things I can improve on. I intend to continue doing what I've been doing for the last six months and will work on improving myself, but at this time I have decided to withdraw my candidacy. Regards, <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 01:15, 10 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' per this statement once said by Graeme Bartlett "Steve is hard worker, and we could use his skills in the admin area." I feel that this statement reflects on how much work he has done within the past couple of years. [[User:Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">Minima</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">©</font>]]<font color="#0645AD"></font> ([[User talk:Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">talk</font>]]) 12:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' per this statement once said by Graeme Bartlett "Steve is hard worker, and we could use his skills in the admin area." I feel that this statement reflects on how much work he has done within the past couple of years. [[User:Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">Minima</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">©</font>]]<font color="#0645AD"></font> ([[User talk:Minimac|<font color="#0645AD">talk</font>]]) 12:54, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support'''. I think Steven is one of the most patient and civil editors I have ever come across. I'm not very knowledgeable about the qualifications for being an admin, but I know Steven has the character. [[User:HuskyHuskie|HuskyHuskie]] ([[User talk:HuskyHuskie|talk]]) 12:28, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support'''. I think Steven is one of the most patient and civil editors I have ever come across. I'm not very knowledgeable about the qualifications for being an admin, but I know Steven has the character. [[User:HuskyHuskie|HuskyHuskie]] ([[User talk:HuskyHuskie|talk]]) 12:28, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' we need more admin clerks at [[WP:SPI]], among other reasons. < |
#'''Support''' we need more admin clerks at [[WP:SPI]], among other reasons. <span style="font-family:comic sans ms;">[[User:Alexandria|<span style="color: #000080">'''Alexandria'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Alexandria|<span style="color: #000080 ">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 13:06, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Per below. [[User:Buggie111|Buggie111]] ([[User talk:Buggie111|talk]]) 13:18, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Per below. [[User:Buggie111|Buggie111]] ([[User talk:Buggie111|talk]]) 13:18, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' As joint nominator. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Chat </font>]] </span></small> 13:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' As joint nominator. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Chat </font>]] </span></small> 13:21, 5 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' while I don't know the candidate or have ever really spoken to him, I've heard nothing but good things about his work these days, and nothing but good things about his personality. Can't find a reason to oppose. [[user:OohBunnies!|<sup><small><font color="#8C0099">Ooh</font></small></sup><font color="#F166FF">Bunnies!</font>]]<small><span style="color:#191970">[[user_talk:OohBunnies!|Leave a message :)]]</span></small> 10:08, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' while I don't know the candidate or have ever really spoken to him, I've heard nothing but good things about his work these days, and nothing but good things about his personality. Can't find a reason to oppose. [[user:OohBunnies!|<sup><small><font color="#8C0099">Ooh</font></small></sup><font color="#F166FF">Bunnies!</font>]]<small><span style="color:#191970">[[user_talk:OohBunnies!|Leave a message :)]]</span></small> 10:08, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' For sure. [[User:Vibhijain|<span style="color:#B57EDC">♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛</span>]] [[User talk:Vibhijain|<sup><span style="color:red"><small>Talk</small></span></sup>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Vibhijain|<sup><span style="color:blue"><small>Email</small></span></sup>]] 10:26, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' For sure. [[User:Vibhijain|<span style="color:#B57EDC">♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛</span>]] [[User talk:Vibhijain|<sup><span style="color:red"><small>Talk</small></span></sup>]] [[Special:EmailUser/Vibhijain|<sup><span style="color:blue"><small>Email</small></span></sup>]] 10:26, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' I've seen Steven's work on Wikipedia a lot and, based on experience, can only support this nomination. '''''[[User:Catfish Jim|< |
#'''Support''' I've seen Steven's work on Wikipedia a lot and, based on experience, can only support this nomination. '''''[[User:Catfish Jim|<span style="color:#313F33;">Catfish</span>]] [[User talk:Catfish Jim|<span style="color:#313F33;">Jim</span>]]<small><span style="color:#313F33;"> and the soapdish</span></small>''''' 12:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''', 2 years is plenty of time to atone for one really really really dumb mistake. No concerns at all. [[User:Fish and karate|<u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#28c"><b>fish</b></u>]]&[[User_talk:Fish and karate|<u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#D33"><b>karate</b></u>]] 13:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''', 2 years is plenty of time to atone for one really really really dumb mistake. No concerns at all. [[User:Fish and karate|<u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#28c"><b>fish</b></u>]]&[[User_talk:Fish and karate|<u style="text-decoration:none;font:100% cursive;color:#D33"><b>karate</b></u>]] 13:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' — I've been working with Steve at DRN and MedCab and have found that he is energetic, efficient, and chock-a-block with good ideas. I've rarely encountered anyone who has the good of the encyclopedia so much at heart as Steve and he'd make a great sysop. Regards, [[User:TransporterMan|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:blue; font-variant:small-caps;">'''TransporterMan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:TransporterMan|<font face="Trebuchet MS" size="1">TALK</font>]]) 13:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' — I've been working with Steve at DRN and MedCab and have found that he is energetic, efficient, and chock-a-block with good ideas. I've rarely encountered anyone who has the good of the encyclopedia so much at heart as Steve and he'd make a great sysop. Regards, [[User:TransporterMan|<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; color:blue; font-variant:small-caps;">'''TransporterMan'''</span>]] ([[User talk:TransporterMan|<font face="Trebuchet MS" size="1">TALK</font>]]) 13:59, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#::Yeah, the fearsome IRC cabal. It was already a silly attitude and it's getting even sillier. Just because people chat on IRC (might I add, mostly about mundane things) does not make them a cabal, it doesn't mean they're all plotting together or banding together with sinister motives. It's ridiculous and paranoid. [[user:OohBunnies!|<sup><small><font color="#8C0099">Ooh</font></small></sup><font color="#F166FF">Bunnies!</font>]]<small><span style="color:#191970">[[user_talk:OohBunnies!|Leave a message :)]]</span></small> 17:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
#::Yeah, the fearsome IRC cabal. It was already a silly attitude and it's getting even sillier. Just because people chat on IRC (might I add, mostly about mundane things) does not make them a cabal, it doesn't mean they're all plotting together or banding together with sinister motives. It's ridiculous and paranoid. [[user:OohBunnies!|<sup><small><font color="#8C0099">Ooh</font></small></sup><font color="#F166FF">Bunnies!</font>]]<small><span style="color:#191970">[[user_talk:OohBunnies!|Leave a message :)]]</span></small> 17:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' For reasons already discussed by others, as well of the reality that there's no community way to remove adminship if it turns out to be bad idea. I'm not comfortable with this.--[[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 13:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' For reasons already discussed by others, as well of the reality that there's no community way to remove adminship if it turns out to be bad idea. I'm not comfortable with this.--[[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 13:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#:It's really not that big a deal to remove adminship [[Wikipedia:Administrators#Review and removal of adminship]]. '''''[[User:Catfish Jim|< |
#:It's really not that big a deal to remove adminship [[Wikipedia:Administrators#Review and removal of adminship]]. '''''[[User:Catfish Jim|<span style="color:#313F33;">Catfish</span>]] [[User talk:Catfish Jim|<span style="color:#313F33;">Jim</span>]]<small><span style="color:#313F33;"> and the soapdish</span></small>''''' 13:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#::Don't try to bullshit someone who's seen the reality of the process.--[[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 13:18, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
#::Don't try to bullshit someone who's seen the reality of the process.--[[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 13:18, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::Where there is clear, unequivocal evidence of abuse, the process is not a big deal. No BS intended. '''''[[User:Catfish Jim|< |
#:::Where there is clear, unequivocal evidence of abuse, the process is not a big deal. No BS intended. '''''[[User:Catfish Jim|<span style="color:#313F33;">Catfish</span>]] [[User talk:Catfish Jim|<span style="color:#313F33;">Jim</span>]]<small><span style="color:#313F33;"> and the soapdish</span></small>''''' 15:04, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#::::However there's no process that allows for removal for discovered incompetance, 'behaviour unbecoming', blockable behavior that doesn't involve tool usage or even behavior that causes severe arbcom sanctions outside of tool use.--[[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 15:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
#::::However there's no process that allows for removal for discovered incompetance, 'behaviour unbecoming', blockable behavior that doesn't involve tool usage or even behavior that causes severe arbcom sanctions outside of tool use.--[[User:Cube lurker|Cube lurker]] ([[User talk:Cube lurker|talk]]) 15:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Repeated account-security issues. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 14:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' Repeated account-security issues. [[User:Hipocrite|Hipocrite]] ([[User talk:Hipocrite|talk]]) 14:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose'''. I share the concerns of several opposers above. Despite past transgressions the candidate remains a respected editor in good standing. This is well and good, but I do not think it appropriate to grant them additional privileges; at least not at this point. <code>[[User:Decltype|decltype]]</code> <small>([[User talk:Decltype|talk]])</small> 11:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose'''. I share the concerns of several opposers above. Despite past transgressions the candidate remains a respected editor in good standing. This is well and good, but I do not think it appropriate to grant them additional privileges; at least not at this point. <code>[[User:Decltype|decltype]]</code> <small>([[User talk:Decltype|talk]])</small> 11:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
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# '''Oppose'''. Supporters describe the user at the time of the incident as "a teenager" - presumably because someone said in his defence at the time that he was only 18. In fact, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Steven_Zhang&oldid=193638878 his userpage from Feb 2008] says that he is a [[Young adult]] defined in the link article as aged from 20-40, says he has a degree in Computer Systems Engineering, and he's taking a wikibreak because he's getting married. I think the youngest that makes him is probably 22, so the events cannot be excused as the kind of stupid thing that 18 year olds do, and I rather object to the way Steve has continued to allow folks to defend him on the grounds that he was a stupid kid, whereas in fact he was a grown man, and ought to take responsibility for his own f....ups.[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 17:35, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
# '''Oppose'''. Supporters describe the user at the time of the incident as "a teenager" - presumably because someone said in his defence at the time that he was only 18. In fact, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Steven_Zhang&oldid=193638878 his userpage from Feb 2008] says that he is a [[Young adult]] defined in the link article as aged from 20-40, says he has a degree in Computer Systems Engineering, and he's taking a wikibreak because he's getting married. I think the youngest that makes him is probably 22, so the events cannot be excused as the kind of stupid thing that 18 year olds do, and I rather object to the way Steve has continued to allow folks to defend him on the grounds that he was a stupid kid, whereas in fact he was a grown man, and ought to take responsibility for his own f....ups.[[User:Elen of the Roads|Elen of the Roads]] ([[User talk:Elen of the Roads|talk]]) 17:35, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#:I haven't commented until now and won't again, but I'm the only one that can explain this, and feel it deserves an explanation. While it hardly excuses my behaviour, I really was 18 at the time. I left high school at 16 and then went to [[TAFE]] for 2 years to study an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Qualifications_Framework#Diploma.2C_Advanced_Diploma.2C_Associate_degree Advanced Diploma] in Computer Systems Engineering. I linked to Young Adult on my userpage as I felt like an adult , though clearly I didn't act like one, and I married very young. I don't ask or expect this sway your opinion here but wish to ensure you have all the information. < |
#:I haven't commented until now and won't again, but I'm the only one that can explain this, and feel it deserves an explanation. While it hardly excuses my behaviour, I really was 18 at the time. I left high school at 16 and then went to [[TAFE]] for 2 years to study an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Qualifications_Framework#Diploma.2C_Advanced_Diploma.2C_Associate_degree Advanced Diploma] in Computer Systems Engineering. I linked to Young Adult on my userpage as I felt like an adult , though clearly I didn't act like one, and I married very young. I don't ask or expect this sway your opinion here but wish to ensure you have all the information. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 18:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#::You claimed to have a degree, not a diploma. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 18:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
#::You claimed to have a degree, not a diploma. [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 18:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::Indeed, I initially did, which I also updated [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Steven_Zhang&diff=prev&oldid=194123845 to Advanced Diploma] a few days later. I think it was mostly vanity at the time, and what I put there is public record. I don't intend ot badger and won't reply here again, I just wanted to clarify the details here as no one else can, that's all. < |
#:::Indeed, I initially did, which I also updated [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Steven_Zhang&diff=prev&oldid=194123845 to Advanced Diploma] a few days later. I think it was mostly vanity at the time, and what I put there is public record. I don't intend ot badger and won't reply here again, I just wanted to clarify the details here as no one else can, that's all. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 18:37, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#::::Can you give me any reason to believe that you were lying then but telling the truth now? [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 18:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
#::::Can you give me any reason to believe that you were lying then but telling the truth now? [[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus]] [[User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum|Fatuorum]] 18:57, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#:::::I feel I have been transparent about everything else at this RFA and suppose on that basis something like this would seem a bit silly to lie about. I suppose people reading this discussion will make up their mind one way or another about it. < |
#:::::I feel I have been transparent about everything else at this RFA and suppose on that basis something like this would seem a bit silly to lie about. I suppose people reading this discussion will make up their mind one way or another about it. <span style="font-family:Forte;">[[User:Steven Zhang|<span style="color:black;">Steven Zhang</span>]] [[User talk:Steven Zhang|<sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....</sup>]]</span> 19:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
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# '''Oppose''' - I am feeling to oppose with the comments above - there are still good faith doubts about this users readiness for the tools after his admitted previous issues - add that to the fact that there is [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Steven+Zhang&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia only recent six months of activity], at this time I prefer to oppose. Also as per User:Casliber's comment from the neutral section below in regard to content creation. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 18:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
# '''Oppose''' - I am feeling to oppose with the comments above - there are still good faith doubts about this users readiness for the tools after his admitted previous issues - add that to the fact that there is [http://toolserver.org/~soxred93/pcount/index.php?name=Steven+Zhang&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia only recent six months of activity], at this time I prefer to oppose. Also as per User:Casliber's comment from the neutral section below in regard to content creation. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 18:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Oppose''' Per everything above, I do not trust this user. '''[[User:Vodello|<font color="#ff5500" size="2px">Agent Vodello</font>]]'''<sup>[[User Talk:Vodello|OK, Let's Party, Darling!]]</sup> 19:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Oppose''' Per everything above, I do not trust this user. '''[[User:Vodello|<font color="#ff5500" size="2px">Agent Vodello</font>]]'''<sup>[[User Talk:Vodello|OK, Let's Party, Darling!]]</sup> 19:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC) |