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:::::I don't usually badger people commenting on an RfA, but your original opinion on Brussels sprouts was correct and your current one is wrong. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 18:18, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
:::::I don't usually badger people commenting on an RfA, but your original opinion on Brussels sprouts was correct and your current one is wrong. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 18:18, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Newyorkbrad, I'm appalled. What's next? Kale? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
::::::Newyorkbrad, I'm appalled. What's next? Kale? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::"Kale" rhymes with "fail" for a reason. But we digress. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 18:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
:::::::"Kale" rhymes with "fail" for a reason. But we digress. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 18:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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::It's an oppose "for now." I rarely oppose RfAs and I would love to be able to support, but it will take some convincing that the candidate is really prepared to demonstrate that he understands the concerns I (and others) have, and questions are a way to give them an opportunity to make that case. I've certainly switched from oppose to support in RfAs before, when it's clear the candidate "gets it" in a way they didn't appear to when the RfA started. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 15:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
::It's an oppose "for now." I rarely oppose RfAs and I would love to be able to support, but it will take some convincing that the candidate is really prepared to demonstrate that he understands the concerns I (and others) have, and questions are a way to give them an opportunity to make that case. I've certainly switched from oppose to support in RfAs before, when it's clear the candidate "gets it" in a way they didn't appear to when the RfA started. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 15:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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:::That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation! [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 15:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
:::That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation! [[User:Reaper Eternal|Reaper Eternal]] ([[User talk:Reaper Eternal|talk]]) 15:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC) |
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Nomination
Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs) – A long time ago, no, a very long time ago (OK, 3.5 years ago), I gave my opinion in a Cratchat that Hawkeye's request to have his tools returned had not found consensus. I'll leave it to Hawkeye to explain how he came to lose his tools in the first place back in 2012, but I was impressed by his demeanour in that 2016 RfA. So I left him this note.
I've kept half an eye since then. Back in April, Hawkeye contacted three people (Ritchie333, Dennis Brown and Aircorn) who had opposed his last RfA, asking for feedback. I thought that was a brave step and one appropriate for a candidate with some history who wishes to show he can move forward.
I think Hawkeye will be a hard-working and respectful admin and I warmly nominate hin for adminship.--Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept the nomination.
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: My priority would be maintenance areas that, while not generally backlogged, may be considered time critical by the editor requested them, like WP:RFPP, WP:RM and WP:PROD. I would also keep a close eye on Category:Administrative backlog. Behind each request may well be a frustrated editor who may have only a limited time to devote to article writing, and who has no inkling of how long a reasonable request will take to process. I think that empathy is the most important attribute of good adminship.
- I find it particularly dispiriting when DYK runs overtime due to a lack of admins to perform the required move. This isn't the recurrent problem it used to be, but that's because of the decrease in article traffic, which in turn has meant that the queues cycles slower, with a queue every 24 hours instead of every eight like it used to. This makes it a lot less hectic. Nonetheless, it remains time critical, as many hooks need to run on a particular date.
- In addition to sending over 300 new or improved articles to DYK, I have also been active at times in assembling prep areas. This is quite a job technically, it is done under time pressure, and sometimes there's this mass of text that makes finding the parts you need for the prep quite challenging. It is also a bit of an art form. There are many rules regarding how the prep areas have to be arranged, and what hooks can be in in what places in the prep area. Picking the best possible lead hook is nothing less than black magic. The amount of work involved, and the fact that you cop the blame for any errors that sneak though makes it one of the most demanding and least appreciated tasks around. I normally assemble preps for a few weeks each year. The promoting admin needs to check the image and the hooks a final time before promotion.
- Due to my being in a different time zone from most admins, I believe that I can make a difference in this regard.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: My contributions to Wikipedia fall into three general areas.
- The first is military articles. I came to Wikipedia in 2005 in response to an email requesting that I correct a military article that I had written. My first thought was that I had not written any Wikipedia articles; but on checking I found that I had. An article had lifted some text from a web page of mine. I corrected the error. I created an account around this time, but was not very active. (I did marked the web pages with a creative commons licence, retrospectively authorising their use by Wikipedia.)
- What I found was a terrible mess. Everywhere I looked, on every subject, I found poorly-written articles. I was appalled. In 2006, Lindleyle (talk · contribs) encouraged me give Wikipedia editing a go on a more serious basis. Since my doctorate is in Military History, I started writing Military History articles. By pure chance, I had found one of Wikipedia's most active and welcoming projects. Since then I have served the project as a coordinator from 2011 to 2016, and since 2018. I was awarded the Golden Wiki for the project’s member of the year in 2012, and the Silver Wiki for runner-up in 2014 and 2016.
- I found that much of the MilHist Project coordinators' workload involved a cumbersome process for promoting A-class articles. I wrote a bot, the MilHistBot (talk · contribs), to handle most of this workload. Since then. It has been expanded to handle most of the coordinator chores, including keeping the membership list up to date, processing reviews, tallying reviews for awards, and actually delivering them to the recipients. It also helps with the production of our project's monthly newsletter, The Bugle, for which I occasionally write OpEds and book reviews. I later added a second bot, FACBot (talk · contribs), which performs administrative tasks related to Featured Articles. This includes not only the promotion process, but compiling the stats on page views. (Last month's can be seen here.)
- Initially, I wrote military articles based related to my research, on the Second World War in the South West Pacific Area, a rather poorly served topic in the literature. The project has made good progress on these articles, and after contributing a series of biographies on notable commanders like Sir Edmund Herring (my first featured article) and Douglas MacArthur. Normally I spin off a couple of GAs from each FA on subjects I come across while writing them. In the case of MacArthur, these became featured articles in their own right: President Truman's relief of General Douglas MacArthur and Douglas MacArthur's escape from the Philippines. The former, I regard as a fine effort, as the article had to be fitted together very cleverly, because knowledge itself affects how the reader understands the event.
- Since then my main contribution to the topic has been to write the section on logistics in each article, collaborating with another project member. However, along the way I have produced some articles of which I am quite proud, on the Admiralty Islands campaign, Landing at Nadzab, and Battle of Sio. The logistics section of the Kokoda Track campaign had become WP:UNDUE, so I spun it off into its own article, Allied logistics in the Kokoda Track campaign. I have also created articles on British logistics in the Falklands War and British logistics in the Normandy Campaign. I am quite proud of these three articles.
- After 2012 I became involved in improving the articles on the Manhattan Project, starting, oddly enough, with the main article, which I took to featured. I upgraded dozens of articles on the notable. Everyone involved on the Manhattan Project who received a Nobel Prize before or subsequently, and all 100 articles in the Manhattan Project NavBox, now have at least a good article rating, and many are featured. All are all 100 articles in the NavBox.) Many others are biographies of the not so well known, have also been improved. I guess I am most proud of the article on Robert Oppenheimer. The centrepieces though are the topical articles: Project Y, Metallurgical Laboratory, Calutron, Clinton Engineer Works, K-25, X-10 Graphite Reactor and S-50 (Manhattan Project), all of which I took to featured status. (The S-50 article was rescued from deletion.) Afterwards, I wrote a series of articles on the history of the British nuclear weapons program. This includes three articles that I created that now have featured article status: British contribution to the Manhattan Project, High Explosive Research and the British hydrogen bomb programme.
- My second area in the articles on the Paralympics. I was asked to join the History of the Paralympics in Australia (HOPAU) project by John Vandenberg (talk · contribs) in 2011. Nearly a thousand articles have been created and hundreds of images uploaded in collaboration with the Australian Paralympic Committee. I attended the 2012 Paralympic Games in London and the 2016 Paralympic Games in Rio as an accredited media representative, and have been involved in workshops and training courses all over Australia. (The admin toolkit would have been very useful here.) My work on the warranted Wikipedia a rare mention in Hansard. I am most proud of the article I wrote on the Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics. It is one of a kind: the only Paralympic article with FA status.
- Finally, I have done some work on the American space program, reaming up with some other editors to bring the articles on Apollo 11 and its three-man crew (Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and Michael Collins (astronaut)) up to featured status in time for the fiftieth anniversary. My contribution has been more editorial than creative, mainly adding and formatting references, filling in the gaps, and shepherding them through the review processes; probably no more than a quarter of the text is mine. The result though was very pleasing to me: Neil Armstrong alone garnered over 2 million page views for the week. My latest work is on a couple of articles about the nuclear rocket propulsion program: NERVA and Project Rover, which is currently at FAC.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A:Time to discuss the elephant in the room: I was desysopped by ArbCom in the Civility Enforcement case over seven years ago. I was the third of several admins in a chain of knee-jerk admin actions and as such was judged to have been wheel-warring.
- I was previously admonished for blocking an editor with whom I had been in dispute. The block was necessary (the editor’s actions caused a bot to got into a loop), and the editor in question was ultimately banned, but I should have awaited a response to my request for help from another admin (who overturned my short block and instituted another one of much longer duration).
- It has been said that I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, that neither of these issues on their own would normally have led to sanctions from ArbCom, and that many admins have made similar mis-steps that were never brought to arbitration, but that these actions just happened to be part of wider disputes which did end up at arbitration. I don’t want to sound as though like I feel hard done by; if many other admins have done much worse and gotten away with it, others have been severely punished.
- This is not about vindication. This is not a referendum on the desysop. I have no desire to argue the case again. That has no value now; the verdict of the community was rendered and was accepted long ago. Seven years is a long time on Wikipedia. A lot of editors were not even here then. I have come a long way since. I made mistakes and I have learnt from them. One lesson was to pay attention to ArbCom and the drama boards (although I rarely comment on them), so I don’t blunder into a dangerous situation. Another was that just because something requires urgent action doesn't mean that I should do it.
- It is true that I was a candidate for ArbCom in 2015, and quite a credible one; I was placed 12th out of 21 candidates, with 55.69% support, making me the highest-rated non-admin candidate ever. I just missed out on being elected. I was motivated by a belief that I could make a difference, but an important factor in my decision was that I was taking 2016 off to care for my terminally ill father and knew that I would have the necessary time to devote to the task. That is also why I have not run again.
- I have been on Wikipedia for nearly 15 years and have never been blocked or banned. I have not appeared before ArbCom since the 2012 case. If this RfA is successful, you have my word that I will work quietly and diligently, and avoid drama.
- I would like to conclude with a quote from the Bhagavad Gita from the Robert Oppenheimer article:
In battle, in the forest, at the precipice in the mountains,
On the dark great sea, in the midst of javelins and arrows,
In sleep, in confusion, in the depths of shame,
The good deeds a man has done before defend him.
- Disclosures
- I have never edited for pay. I have two bot accounts, User:FACBot and User:MilHistBot.
You may ask optional questions below. There is a limit of two questions per editor. Multi-part questions disguised as one question, with the intention of evading the limit, are disallowed. Follow-up questions relevant to questions you have already asked are allowed.
- Additional question from Reyk
- 4. In your opinion, what is the most important policy on Wikipedia and why?
- A:
- Additional question from Barkeep49
- 5. What feedback did you receive from the three users mentioned in Dwellers nomination statement? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 13:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- A:
- Additional question from Serial Number 54129
- 6. Thanks for standing, Hawkeye7. Can you advise on the appropriateness of canned shit at RfA, please? ——SerialNumber54129 14:18, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- A:
- Additional question from 1989
- 7. On June 12, 2019, during the WMF Fram controversy, you asked then-bureaucrat WJBscribe to resysop you despite being desysopped for cause by Arbcom. When you were reverted as trolling, you reverted stating you were serious about it. Why did you take this approach?
- A:
- Additional questions from Fish and karate
- 8. Please could you provide links to each of the arbitration cases in which you were involved in as a named party? Fish+Karate 14:26, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- A:
- 9. Please expand on why you believe Fram should never be given the mop back, yet you should. Fish+Karate 14:26, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- A:
- Additional question from 28bytes
- 10. If given the tools back, what editors and what topics would you consider yourself WP:INVOLVED with, such that you would not use admin tools regarding those editors or topics? 28bytes (talk) 14:34, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- A:
- Additional questions from CoffeeCrumbs
- 11. In one of the arbitration cases which resulted in a finding against you, there was a finding involving an undisclosed conflict-of-interest that resulted in serious subversion of the FA process. Yet in your last RFA, one of the few questions you did not answer was how you would navigate another undisclosed conflict-of-interest. So I'll repeat the spirit of that question: can you elaborate on how you would navigate your existing conflicts-of-interest? CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- A:
- 12. Do you have any additional conflicts-of-interest that you wish to disclose at this time, including but not limited to conflicts-of-interest involving users on whom you have edited on their behalf, involvement with members of the WMF Board of Trustees, or involving the WMF's process for grants? CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- A:
Discussion
- Links for Hawkeye7: Hawkeye7 (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
- Edit summary usage for Hawkeye7 can be found here.
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review their contributions before commenting.
Support
- As nom. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- At the last nomination, I sat on the fence, but I have no hesitation to support this time around. I believe in second chances, and I also believe that Hawkeye7 is a net positive. Harrias talk 13:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support --AhmadLX-)¯\_(ツ)_/¯) 13:45, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - per my comments at RFA 2. GiantSnowman 14:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support, will be a fine addition to the admin corps. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:07, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support — An invaluable editor whose commitment to the project is without question Chetsford (talk)
- Support. Well, they did something terrible eons ago and they were desysopped for that. We should be forgiving now. – Ammarpad (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - You betcha. I've been working with Hawkeye7 for years, and he has always been a Net Positive in my interactions. Whatever he did to be desysoped, it's time to take our collective feet off his neck and let him carry the admin load around here. — Maile (talk) 14:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - net positive for Hawkeye to have the tools back. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:23, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support Time to pardon them for the actions from 7 years ago. A net positive. SD0001 (talk) 14:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Same as last time, except that it's an even longer time ago now. Happy days, LindsayHello 14:47, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - oh yes, I remember this one. Please do come back, we need you. Deb (talk) 15:10, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support, tentatively, per my comments on RFA2. It's been three years, and a lot has happened, but this will be my default position until I have time to go through the more recent stuff. Wug·a·po·des 17:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support. The candidate's desysopping in 2012 was a disproportionate sanction and overreaction, as I voted as an arbitrator at the time, albeit in a minority of one. Nothing in his behavior in the seven years since then suggests there would be a problem if the tools were now returned. As for the Fram-related opposes, the level of commotion that surrounded that situation on all sides deters me from holding comments made at that time against anyone. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:55, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Happy to give my continued support to Hawkeye7. Stellar content contributor. I hope his candidacy isn't going to be yet another battleground for the Fram drama, which I am, to be frank, bored of. Acalamari 18:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support - Haven't seen anything since RfA2 to make me think he would abuse the tools. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:30, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support, mainly per NYB. I think he would be a net positive.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:41, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Oppose
- Strong Oppose An excellent content editor but unsuitable to be trusted with advanced tools. Even in the midst of saying that they're past the drama, they again try to whitewash the two Arb cases in which they received findings, just as they did in the previous RfA and the ArbCom election. I also have a hard time believing they're past drama when they jumped in, during l'affaire Fram, to defend the person with whom they were found by secret evidence to have an undisclosed conflict-of-interest, by declaring Fram guilty and saying they should "never" get the tools back. Why should they get disparate treatment from what they advocate? CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 13:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. I'm a big believer in redemption, second chances, and moving past old disputes, but it appears the candidate isn't. To say that an admin desysopped for cause should "never" get their tools back, and then come here to ask for their tools back after having been desysopped for cause? That shows some stunning lack of self-awareness. A net positive editor, absolutely. A net positive admin? Not from what I've seen. 28bytes (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose There are four separate ArbCom findings of fact: Hawkeye7 wheel warred, Hawkeye7's personal attack, Hawkeye7 (involved blocks), and a prior one which was referenced in the newer case: Hawkeye7 has a Conflict of Interest with regards to LauraHale. Now, the last one is interesting because LauraHale was central to WP:FRAMBAN. As mentioned above, Hawkeye7 argued that Fram should never be allowed to become an admin again and supported further intervention by the WMF. It is reasonable to suspect that Hawkeye7 acted in this way because of their past relationship with LauraHale. It would have been wise to avoid advocating for a friend like this when there's an ArbCom finding on the COI. A pretty horrible timing for the RfA. --Pudeo (talk) 14:54, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose (after EC) – same reason as last time, plus this diff, which shows extreme arrogance and desperation that is incompatible with being an admin. Also, this bureaucrats' noticeboard thread speaks for itself. Graham87 15:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. Though my limited interactions with Hawkeye7 as a content editor have been positive, I cannot get past the idea that he first decides how a discussion or dispute should be resolved, and then invents a rationale, if necessary when he can't present a valid rationale, to justify his desired outcome. As recently as June he argued in the WJBscribe request for arbitration that "
While it is true that in the distant past some administrators were de-sysopped for WHEEL-warring, in recent times (the most recent case being Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fred Bauder), ArbCom have taken a far more relaxed and understanding view, and have regarded WHEEL-warring as worth no more than a caution at most.
" Bauder was DESYSOPPED, and Hawkeye7's blatant misrepresentation of this well-known fact makes this RfA a nonstarter for me. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)- To be fair, I think he referred to ArbCom's handling of Boing! said Zebedee in this case who was "only" cautioned. Bauder was desysopped, yes, but for more than just wheel-warring. Regards SoWhy 15:45, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- And if you read the Workshop, there was a feeling expressed by multiple arbitrationrs that the sanction was *less* than it would otherwise be based on the argument that Hawkeye7 fessed up to what he did. Their conduct since the case was closed has been inconsistent with admitting fault. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:49, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- To be fair, I think he referred to ArbCom's handling of Boing! said Zebedee in this case who was "only" cautioned. Bauder was desysopped, yes, but for more than just wheel-warring. Regards SoWhy 15:45, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose, moved from Support due to concerns raised by other editors. Squeeps10 15:52, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose This is a somewhat close call, especially in light of his having the FACBot and being overall a great contributor, but his inability/refusal to express remorse in his answer to question 3 is what pushes me off the "Neutral" column. Looking through the ArbCom case (which is located here) myself, I feel that at least some admission of fault is in order. The evidence provided by the other opponents also convinces me that it would be a mistake to give him the bit again, at least for now. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose 28eytes and Pudeo nailed why I can't vote for him. He still doesn't have the right temperament for admin. spryde | talk 15:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - things like trying the IAR resysop (it could have just been a good way of making a point if he hadn't stated he was serious). The original ARBCOM stuff is way too far in the past to care, but some of the other opposes just make me too concerned to be support. Some phenomenal question answers might change my mind, but I'm below a pending neutral at this point. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:57, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Reinserting my oppose after an accidental deletion by @John M Wolfson: Nosebagbear (talk)
- @Nosebagbear:, my apologies for that, I had encountered several edit conflicts when posting my oppose and apparently deleted yours by mistake. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 16:21, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Reinserting my oppose after an accidental deletion by @John M Wolfson: Nosebagbear (talk)
- Oppose Clearly can't be trusted as an admin given past behavior, desysop for cause, and statements during the Fram fiasco. This is mainly an oppose per the above statements. NoahTalk 16:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per all of the above oppose votes, of which most are well-argued in my opinion.—NØ 17:34, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose -- Hawkeye7 is an amazing content creator, probably doing more so far this summer than I have during my entire Wiki career. That being said, I would say that a very large percentage of an editor's duties as an admin does not directly involve content creation. That is an area that I believe Hawkeye is lacking for reasons that others above me have articulated better than I can. -- Dolotta (talk) 17:42, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – several reasons, but most of them revolving around Fram(gate). Andy Dingley (talk) 17:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose – edit summary usage is too low for me. Just 46.7% of edits have summaries, and, as far as I can tell, this user hasn't had a month with >80% summary usage since March 2011. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose with some regret, per the evidence provided by Pudeo, which indicates that the timing is not right for a resysop. Lepricavark (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - Serious concerns about temperament and judgment of this defrocked former Administrator. The chutzpah of running so soon after uttering the hardline warriorism pointed out above by 28bytes is breathtaking, with a lack of self-awareness clearly evident. Carrite (talk) 18:35, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose With the questions not being answered and the arrogance, he just can't be trusted with the tools of an admin. TurboSonic (talk) 18:38, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- @TurboSonic: I sincerely don't mean to "badger" an opposer, but as a point of information to explain questions not having been answered yet, Hawkeye7's userpage discloses that he lives in Australia, where it is currently 4:45 a.m. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:44, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose - in the 2 years and 4 months that Hawkeye7 was an admin, they performed 34 blocks, 11 deletions, and 15 protections [1]. There were some page moves that couldn't be performed by an admin, but overall that doesn't suggest to me that this was an admin that was particularly interested in reducing backlogs such as those they suggest at PROD, RFPP etc. Black Kite (talk) 18:45, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. I think there is too much danger of things going bad that I see the benefit-risk ratio as being net negative. But I am going to continue to watch the discussion here, and I am very much open to having my mind changed. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Neutral
- Any metric of "content created" that people will allot to an RfA has certainly been reached, so this will come down to the opinion of judgement and temperament. Someone's desysop was part of a "
chain of knee-jerk admin actions
" and they were "judged to have been wheel-warring
" (my emphasis). I'm not seeing much in the way of an acknowledgement of past wrongs by being big enough to put a hand in the air and admit being in the wrong on that occasion. Not being able to drop the stick and move on after seven years doesn't fill me with confidence, but we'll see after some research. – SchroCat (talk) 14:12, 12 August 2019 (UTC) - Probably permanently sitting here ... while notating that the diff in 28bytes' "oppose" is related to WP:FRAM. Steel1943 (talk) 14:20, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Some questions have been asked in which I am curious about the answers, so waiting here.Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 16:11, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- I am very interested in the answers to some of the questions posed above. I have to say I'm leaning to opposed, based on two of the statements by Hawkeye7 3, namely his recent comment that he's "entitled" to be re-admitted as an admin, and his comment a year ago that it's hard to edit without having admin tools. Both of those sound to me like a sense of entitlement; the great majority of editors edit just fine without having admin tools. They're not for the benefit of the administrator, but for the WP project itself, to help others. That comment sounds like someone who wants the admin tools for their own purposes. Also bothered by Hawkeye's attempt to address the "elephant in the room" in his responses above - it sounds like someone who is minimising their own conduct. I will review the links posted by others before making a final decision. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:26, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Wanted to support (and supported last time), but have difficulties doing so after reading comments on Framgate and re-adminship. —Kusma (t·c) 16:32, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- I do not vote in RfAs when possible but after a hiatus, it's probably best to pick up Wikipedia slowly, one way in which I do so is where I extend free and often bad (if not terrible) advice to RfA candidates (and/or general populace). To put it straight, making statements like
It has been said that I was in the wrong place at the wrong time, that neither of these issues on their own would normally have led to sanctions from ArbCom, and that many admins have made similar mis-steps that were never brought to arbitration...
reflects poorly, since it leads anyone to conclude that you did not accept the result or admit the mistake. Continuing withThis is not about vindication
seems entirely pointless when your premise is that you never committed a wrong. Often knee-jerk reactions prevail over a demonstrated time of being a good editor, and I've seen it occur myself, and I'm sure you feel the same way since your previous RfA. RfAs are all about edits, and those edits encompass your entire onwiki history, especially those which lead other editors to form an opinion about you. To be quite honest, maybe I'm not the right person to give this advice, I've always insisted I'm not a great editor, but just as average as community decrees — but there are more people here, and there have been people before (for e.g., your thread at BN when requesting a review of your RfA) explaining what it was that needed to be done in your case, should you decide to stand for adminship. You have my luck (and two cents). --qedk (t 桜 c) 17:16, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
General comments
- 28bytes & CoffeeCrumbs: My apologies if this seems a little acerbic, but why ask questions if you have already decided to oppose Hawkeye7? Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:11, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Nothing's written in stone. While I am strongly opposed to this nomination -- in stronger fashion than I've ever expressed opposition -- it would be fundamentally unfair to ignore the possibility that my fears can be satisfactorily addressed. And if not me, someone who is on the fence one way or the other may have their opposition quelled or their support buttressed by the answers I asked. The reasons for which they were desysopped ought to be extremely relevant for any support or oppose.CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation! Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- As a child, I was opposed to Brussels sprouts. As an adult, deliciousness-data forced me to change my mind. I have never personally interacted with the editor in question, so there's no deep abiding grudge that would prevent me from changing my mind (in which case I would not participate). But I'd be lying if I didn't say it's a tough sell.CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't usually badger people commenting on an RfA, but your original opinion on Brussels sprouts was correct and your current one is wrong. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:18, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Newyorkbrad, I'm appalled. What's next? Kale? --Tryptofish (talk) 18:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- "Kale" rhymes with "fail" for a reason. But we digress. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:48, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Newyorkbrad, I'm appalled. What's next? Kale? --Tryptofish (talk) 18:46, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't usually badger people commenting on an RfA, but your original opinion on Brussels sprouts was correct and your current one is wrong. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:18, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- As a child, I was opposed to Brussels sprouts. As an adult, deliciousness-data forced me to change my mind. I have never personally interacted with the editor in question, so there's no deep abiding grudge that would prevent me from changing my mind (in which case I would not participate). But I'd be lying if I didn't say it's a tough sell.CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:36, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation! Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- It's an oppose "for now." I rarely oppose RfAs and I would love to be able to support, but it will take some convincing that the candidate is really prepared to demonstrate that he understands the concerns I (and others) have, and questions are a way to give them an opportunity to make that case. I've certainly switched from oppose to support in RfAs before, when it's clear the candidate "gets it" in a way they didn't appear to when the RfA started. 28bytes (talk) 15:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation! Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
- Nothing's written in stone. While I am strongly opposed to this nomination -- in stronger fashion than I've ever expressed opposition -- it would be fundamentally unfair to ignore the possibility that my fears can be satisfactorily addressed. And if not me, someone who is on the fence one way or the other may have their opposition quelled or their support buttressed by the answers I asked. The reasons for which they were desysopped ought to be extremely relevant for any support or oppose.CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)