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#'''With advice'''. I liked the research you did on the fellow who had the 10 un-reffed stubs. I do urge you to continue developing your written work here, as KW advises. It will give you a deeper feel for what the place is about (our readers, not our users). Think about how Wiki compares to your averge newspaper, book, magazine, etc. Not at all expecting you to turn into Malleus Wehwalt, but just keep developing basic writing. This is somethink most people have to have in the work world and in school anyway, so not a strange activity. Also even if moderation/mop activities are more "fun", I think it is good to have some closeness to what the project is really about.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 20:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
#'''With advice'''. I liked the research you did on the fellow who had the 10 un-reffed stubs. I do urge you to continue developing your written work here, as KW advises. It will give you a deeper feel for what the place is about (our readers, not our users). Think about how Wiki compares to your averge newspaper, book, magazine, etc. Not at all expecting you to turn into Malleus Wehwalt, but just keep developing basic writing. This is somethink most people have to have in the work world and in school anyway, so not a strange activity. Also even if moderation/mop activities are more "fun", I think it is good to have some closeness to what the project is really about.[[User:TCO|TCO]] ([[User talk:TCO|talk]]) 20:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
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#:Thanks TCO, that's good advice. Tools or no tools, writing is what brought me here, and I have no intention of abandoning that side of things. I don't know whether I'll ever develop into an FA-level writer, but I do intend to continue working to improve my writings skills as best I can. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 20:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
#:Thanks TCO, that's good advice. Tools or no tools, writing is what brought me here, and I have no intention of abandoning that side of things. I don't know whether I'll ever develop into an FA-level writer, but I do intend to continue working to improve my writings skills as best I can. [[User:28bytes|28bytes]] ([[User talk:28bytes|talk]]) 20:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Thought he was one already, he does a lot of good work around here and I have no doubt he'll do a good job as an admin. [[User:Qrsdogg|Qrsdogg]] ([[User talk:Qrsdogg|talk]]) 20:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Thought he was one already, he does a lot of good work around here and I have no doubt he'll do a good job as an admin. [[User:Qrsdogg|Qrsdogg]] ([[User talk:Qrsdogg|talk]]) 20:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
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#'''Support''' Candidate does some fine work and would make a fine admin. With all the admin support so far, what could go wrong? ;) [[User:ArcAngel|<span style='color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b> ArcAngel </b>]] [[User talk:ArcAngel|(talk)]] </span>) 20:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
#'''Support''' Candidate does some fine work and would make a fine admin. With all the admin support so far, what could go wrong? ;) [[User:ArcAngel|<span style='color: #ffb612;background-color: #1e1e1e;'><b> ArcAngel </b>]] [[User talk:ArcAngel|(talk)]] </span>) 20:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
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28bytes
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Nomination
28bytes (talk · contribs) – My fellow Wikipedians, I offer you 28bytes as a candidate for adminship.
I became aware of 28bytes in December of last year when he first ran for adminship. He withdrew the request early, as it was clear he was not going to succeed at the time, but he had a significant amount of support, and from what I read during the RfA it was clear to me that he would make a great admin in the future with some more experience. Well, I feel he now has that experience.
Ever since that RfA I have kept an eye on 28bytes, and I believe he has met my expectations: in the time I’ve known him, I’ve found him to be a helpful, polite, hardworking, and knowledgeable editor. For starters, he is productive in the mainspace, with his work there consisting of adding content and sources, creating new pages, removing vandalism, and generally keeping articles presentable. 28bytes is a good person to interact with, and he seems to be willing to help people out, regardless of the other person’s level of experience: in addition, he is reasonable and listens when people raise concerns on his talk page. He has also not been in any hurry to re-run for adminship, with him being willing to delay the nomination.
28bytes is active at CSD, and in my review of his work there, I found very few mistakes. Finally, he has five userrights: abusefilter, autoreviewer, filemover, reviewer, and rollbacker: with him having abusefilter, which requires quite a bit of trust in itself to be allowed to have (link to the request), he appears to be among the few non-admins with this userright.
I am convinced that 28bytes will make a fine admin if this request succeeds: I hope the community will share the opinions of my fellow nominators and I. Acalamari 16:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Co-nomination from Pedro (talk · contribs) I'm delighted to be joining my fellow nominators in supporting this request for a long term user who over the last year has become very engaged in Wikipedia. I first interacted with 28bytes when he wrote the long overdue essay WP:NOTNOTNOW as a useful caution. Despite this forray into WP essays 28bytes is a major content creator - gems such as this referenced, notable and nicely written start class article for example. This is supported with nearly 50% main space edits. On the project side his AIV reports result in blocks, and his speedy deletion requests (around 350) are accurate. 28bytes clearly follows process when it comes to managing poor content. Some other brief bullets / housekeeping;
- Clean block log
- 10 months active editing and even longer overall tenure
- Sensible signature
- Sensible user page
Clearly 28bytes would both use the extra tool set, and will not misuse any extra rights granted - which is fundamentally what it comes down to. Pedro : Chat 09:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Co-nomination from HJ Mitchell (talk · contribs): I'm not sure there's much I can add that Acalamari and Pedro haven't already covered, So I'll try to keep this brief. I reluctantly opposed last time, but 28bytes has truly distinguished himself in the last 6 months. He is one of only a dozen or so non-admins ever to be trusted with edit filter management (several of whom have since become highly regarded admins), which requires a good bit of technical knowledge and plenty of clue. His content work is impeccable, his project space edits are spot on and he is of the utmost good character. TL;DR? I trust him, and he'd make a damn good admin! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:12, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Thank you very much Acalamari, Pedro and HJ; I accept. 28bytes (talk) 14:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: I would like to help keep the CSD and AIV backlogs low, close deletion discussions, clean up cut-and-paste moves and help perform history merges when needed. I'd also like to help out at UAA and the refund desk. I've needed admin assistance in the past and have turned to the admins on AN/I and AN for help; I'd like to return the favor and help out other editors who need similar admin assistance in those forums. Earlier in my wiki career I was very active at DYK (31 main page appearances so far); lately I've not been as active there as I used to be, but I am familiar with the processes there and I can help out there in a pinch if needed. Those are the main areas I'm interested in helping with, but I'd be happy to lend a hand in other admin areas as needed too.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: My main areas of interest are retro video games and pop music, and I've created or significantly expanded just under a hundred or so articles on those topics. The recent article creation I'm most proud of is Move Like This, the latest album by The Cars. I've spent a fair amount of time digging up references and helping maintain that article's solid sourcing against the onslaught of enthusiastic fans and well-meaning new editors unfamiliar with our WP:V and WP:NOR policies. Some other article creations I'm proud of include "Funtime (Iggy Pop song)" and "The Little Black Egg"; they're short but well-referenced articles about two highly-covered rock tunes. On the project side, I'm active at Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives/Reports, where I welcome and help good-faith users whose legitimate edits were stopped by the edit filters, and warn or report to AIV the not-so-good-faith users.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: My editing experience here has mostly been smooth, but there have been a few stressful situations. In April, a new editor attempted to add an allegation of homophobia, sourced to a forum post, to an article I edit occasionally. I undid the insertion with an explanatory edit summary; the editor readded it without explanation; I removed it again and left a message on the editor's talk page with a link to our reliable source policy. The editor was, I believe, acting in good faith and clearly believed their insertion was well-sourced, so I started a conversation at the BLP noticeboard where I laid out my case. In general, that's how I like to approach conflicts: clearly explain my position, try to understand where the other person is coming from, and if we can't come to an understanding, request outside help. I always keep in mind the possibility that I might be the one in the wrong.
- Additional question from Ryan Vesey
- 4. Out of all of your contributions to Wikipedia, which contribution have you been most proud about?
- A: Probably Atari 2600 homebrew, which I created last year. Looking at it again now, I see problems that need to be fixed (the prose is a little clunky, the references could be more diverse) but overall I'm pretty proud of creating that, and of finding an assortment of CC-BY-SA and public domain video game screenshot images to include. It was my first appearance on the mainpage, in the Did You Know section, so I'm a little nostalgic about that, too. My eventual goal is to get the article to GA or FA status, but I admit I have a lot more work to do first. 28bytes (talk) 15:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Additional questions from Hobit
- 5. Say there are a handful of reliable sources claiming that a sports team may be moving to a new city (let's say the Foos moving to Chicago). Those sources all cite sources that the reporter believes are reliable but have asked to remain anonymous. Editor A then creates an article on the "Chicago Foos", which covers the information about this potential move. Editor B nominates the article for deletion on the basis of WP:CRYSTAL and while acknowledging the sources are reliable (say the Chicago Sun Times and Tribune as well as WGN), argues that either this event will happen and then be notable or it won't and when then be a WP:NOTNEWS violation. What would be your comment/!vote in such a discussion?
- A: Assuming the sources check out, the question then becomes, does this merit a standalone article, or would it be better as part of the existing team's article? Even major sports teams with a rich history don't always get a standalone article, (e.g. Houston Oilers redirects to History of the Tennessee Titans), so I would probably lean towards merging the information to the current team article (keeping the nominated page as a redirect to the appropriate section of the target article). 28bytes (talk) 17:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- 6. Say there is a newspaper article on a local plumber in a medium-sized town (100,000 folks). The article describes the plumbers contributions to local non-profits and work with Habitat for Humanity as well as being a role-model for local female tradespeople. A (short) Wikipedia article is written on this person using the article as the sole source without copyright violations etc.). A user has tagged the article as a speedy candidate with WP:CSD#A7. As an admin, what action do you take when you see this?
- A: I think this is a good example of an article that "credibly asserts importance" (in this case, a sourced claim that the subject is a significant local figure) but probably does not meet the general notability guidelines. So I would decline the A7 and suggest to the tagger that they take the article to AfD so a wider audience could assess the article's suitability for inclusion. 28bytes (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- 6b. Say we have the same article as in 6, but the news (and Wikipedia) article mentions she was once jailed for a few weeks on prostitution charges. Now it's tagged as G10. As an admin, what action do you take when you see this?
- A: If the article is essentially the same as the one described in question 6 (a neutral article about a businessperson accurately sourced to a newspaper profile), I don't believe a G10 would be appropriate, so I would decline that as well. However, I would, as an editor, remove the mention of the jail time as a violation of WP:UNDUE, unless there was a really strong argument for keeping it in. WP:BLP offers the guidance to use "exercise restraint and include only material relevant to [a person's] notability", and based on the details from the questions I think the presumption has to be that the jail time is not relevant to their notability, so it should stay out, despite having a source to support it. 28bytes (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
General comments
- Links for 28bytes: 28bytes (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
- Edit summary usage for 28bytes can be found here.
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review their contributions before commenting.
Discussion
Support
- As co-nominator. Pedro : Chat 14:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Pedro lays out the facts well, and I largely agree with him. While it doesn't nowadays, it should come down to having use for the tools, and being a net positive with the tools. Everything looks good to me. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 14:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support no problems here, success! TBloemink (talk) 14:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support Certainly. WormTT · (talk) 14:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Support Per last time. Regards SoWhy 14:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support, per solid reports at AIV and professional response to his last RFA. Seems to be a good contributor who is measured in his approach and responsive to feedback. Kuru (talk) 15:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. Very easy decision. Opposes from last time were pretty much down to lack of experience based on relatively short recent tenure (though I was going to support based on the quality of work, but I was too late). Now, six months on, 28bytes has got a lot of very good experience, with high quality work in a number of areas - including helping with newcomers, which I think can be very difficult but is very much needed here. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support He is an editor with the knowledge and experience required of an administrator. He clearly shows a knowledge of Wikipedia policy and a desire to improve Wikipedia. This can be seen in his created and improved articles and also in his track record of CSD's. Ryan Vesey (talk) 15:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support, I have no concerns.--Atlan (talk) 15:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. I was looking at 28Bytes just a couple of days ago with the intention of asking him if he would like to run again. I found that not only one, but three nominators had beaten me to it! There's not much more that I can add to those, except that I fully endorse them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support - From what I've seen of his contributions, I have to agree that he'll make an excellent admin. —DoRD (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. Has a tonne of clue; will use the mop well. Jenks24 (talk) 15:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support Best of luck to you in your future role as admin.—Soap— 15:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Happy to add my support here. While agreeing with what the noms have already said, I would add that 28bytes has the valuable skill of being able to reduce drama levels when entering into a contentious discussion, bringing more "light" than "heat", as they say. 28bytes will make a fine admin. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 15:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Your input at WP:AN/I and similar venues seems sensible, reasonably mature, and aimed at resolving rather than escalating conflict. Those qualities are increasingly in short supply, so I'm happy to support. I also trust HJMitchell's judgment, and the fact that he swung from opposing your previous RfA to nominating you this time around makes me more confident about this. I think you'll be a credit to the project as an admin. Make us proud. :) MastCell Talk 16:07, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support: As my mentor, 28bytes always knows the right thing to do.Jasper Deng (talk) 16:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support Long overdue, should have passed last time. AD 16:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support Frank | talk 16:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support With that set of nominators, is there any real question? Add to that the work done on the edit filter alone, and we get an outstanding level of gorm. --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. High praise indeed, looking at both your nomination and your nominators. I see nothing to indicate that you'd be anything other than a fine admin. Good luck. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 16:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support Looks like a great candidate, see no reason why not. Monty845 17:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support From answers to questions above, a brief contributions review, and (rapidly-declining) memory, appears clueful. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support Proven asset with many great attributes, as mentioned above. Calmer Waters 17:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- HJ, Pedro and Acalamari. wow. There is little that could be said to persuade me that 28bites would not be a net positive as an admin --Guerillero | My Talk 17:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Well-rounded and trusted candidate. 28bytes is a quick learner and a clueful individual. His numerous DYK submissions are generally well-written and the decision to give him abusefilter rights several months ago only indicates that 28bytes is considered an asset to the project. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 17:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. Fully qualified candidate. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Support – I've noticed some of 28bytes' work around here, and it has been exemplary. There is no reason why he shouldn't gain the mop. —mc10 (t/c) 17:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. Easy one this. Catfish Jim (ex-soapdish) 17:52, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, please. Ajraddatz (Talk) 17:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support What, not an admin already???? --JaGatalk 17:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Risker (talk) 17:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. Rather limited content creation, but otherwise a good candidate. Axl ¤ [Talk] 17:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support though I disagree in part with answer to 6b. Solid answers, great history and I've seen this editor in many places showing a solid clue. Hobit (talk) 18:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support Based on personal interactions, I am fully confident with this candidate and agree with the trident nomination. My76Strat talk 18:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. Experienced editor, with no obvious problems. AGK [•] 18:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Experienced, trustworthy, and a solid candidate. ceranthor 18:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support The candidate has spent the last 6 months addressing the concerns articulated in the oppose/neutral sections of the December 2010 RfA. He has gained the needed experience; in fact, he has truly distinguished himself in many ways.--Hokeman (talk) 19:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support - Finally! 28bytes has the patience and knowledge of policy needed to be successful as an administrator. I can't think of a better candidate at this time. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support - I have every confidence in 28bytes. I've seen his participation in a number of Wikipedia space areas and he has shown good reasoning and knowledge of policy. There has been enough article work that I feel he has competence in that area, and the answers to questions above are superb. -- Atama頭 19:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I would have supported last time. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 19:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support no reason to think this user would abuse the tools --rogerd (talk) 19:17, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, please. Salvio Let's talk about it! 19:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. A candidate with whom I'm very familiar, and who is outstandingly well qualified. As a variation on the "what, not one already?" cliché, I have to admit that I came here thinking "what, another reconfirmation RfA?". --Tryptofish (talk) 19:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support As per all other comments. L'etats C'est Moi (I Am The State) (talk) 19:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- That's helpful. --The Σ talkcontribs 19:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Yes of course. I should have supported the first time. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. Courteous, clueful editor. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 20:01, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. I often see this user's name on my watchlist, working hard and doing sensible things. --Orlady (talk) 20:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support. I see no problems.James500 (talk) 20:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- With advice. I liked the research you did on the fellow who had the 10 un-reffed stubs. I do urge you to continue developing your written work here, as KW advises. It will give you a deeper feel for what the place is about (our readers, not our users). Think about how Wiki compares to your averge newspaper, book, magazine, etc. Not at all expecting you to turn into Malleus Wehwalt, but just keep developing basic writing. This is somethink most people have to have in the work world and in school anyway, so not a strange activity. Also even if moderation/mop activities are more "fun", I think it is good to have some closeness to what the project is really about.TCO (talk) 20:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks TCO, that's good advice. Tools or no tools, writing is what brought me here, and I have no intention of abandoning that side of things. I don't know whether I'll ever develop into an FA-level writer, but I do intend to continue working to improve my writings skills as best I can. 28bytes (talk) 20:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Malleus Wehwalt? cf Frankenstein's monster! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks TCO, that's good advice. Tools or no tools, writing is what brought me here, and I have no intention of abandoning that side of things. I don't know whether I'll ever develop into an FA-level writer, but I do intend to continue working to improve my writings skills as best I can. 28bytes (talk) 20:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support Thought he was one already, he does a lot of good work around here and I have no doubt he'll do a good job as an admin. Qrsdogg (talk) 20:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Support Candidate does some fine work and would make a fine admin. With all the admin support so far, what could go wrong? ;) ArcAngel (talk) ) 20:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- As a nominator! Acalamari 21:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I actually thought 28Bytes had already been granted adminship, so my initial presumption was that this must be a reconfirmation RfA. In any case, I've seen his name around and I've generally approved of what I saw. Should do fine. Master&Expert (Talk) 21:27, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Strong support - Noms said it all. (How on earth did I end up as number 54?) Reaper Eternal (talk) 21:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Oppose
Neutral
- Neutral - I don't really know what to think here. 28bytes seems really good, with lots of good DYKs and content creation, his edits seem fine, with vandalism reversals and things, been here since 2006; but I think he would be a great admin if he came back in a bit after doing some broader content work. Rcsprinter (talk) 18:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Neutral - I applaud & enjoy the work on the band Yes but I would like this editor to gain more experience writing expository paragraphs rather than stringing together citations and adding blue links. It is prudent that the candidate has not declared an intention to herd content-editors, who spook easy and are prone to stampedes. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)