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RfA candidate | S | O | N | S % | Status | Ending (UTC) | Time left | Dups? | Report |
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Ergo Sum | 8 | 56 | 10 | 13 | Successful | 03:32, 26 January 2020 | 0 hours | no | report |
[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wugapodes|Wugapodes]] | 158 | 1 | 2 | 99 | Successful | 05:09, 25 January 2020 | 0 hours | no | report |
QEDK | 137 | 9 | 3 | 94 | Successful | 14:33, 24 January 2020 | 0 hours | no | report |
Nick Moyes | 180 | 3 | 3 | 98 | Successful | 21:48, 23 January 2020 | 0 hours | no | report |
RfA candidate | S | O | N | S % | Status | Ending (UTC) | Time left | Dups? | Report |
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Ergo Sum | 8 | 56 | 10 | 13 | Successful | 03:32, 26 January 2020 | 0 hours | no | report |
[[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Wugapodes|Wugapodes]] | 158 | 1 | 2 | 99 | Successful | 05:09, 25 January 2020 | 0 hours | no | report |
QEDK | 137 | 9 | 3 | 94 | Successful | 14:33, 24 January 2020 | 0 hours | no | report |
Nick Moyes | 180 | 3 | 3 | 98 | Successful | 21:48, 23 January 2020 | 0 hours | no | report |
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About RfA
Candidate | Type | Result | Date of close | Tally | |||
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Pickersgill-Cunliffe | RfA | Successful | 15 Jun 2024 | 201 | 0 | 0 | 100 |
Elli | RfA | Successful | 7 Jun 2024 | 207 | 6 | 3 | 97 |
DreamRimmer | RfA | Withdrawn by candidate | 31 May 2024 | 45 | 43 | 14 | 51 |
Numberguy6 | RfA | Closed per WP:SNOW | 27 May 2024 | 5 | 23 | 2 | 18 |
ToadetteEdit | RfA | Closed per WP:NOTNOW | 30 Apr 2024 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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Ergo Sum
Final (178/56/10); Closed as successful by Maxim(talk) at 03:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Nomination
Ergo Sum (talk · contribs) – Ergo Sum has been a valued and dedicated contributor to Wikipedia since he registered almost five years ago. In that time I have had the pleasure of working with him on numerous good article nominations, all of which to my knowledge have been promoted. Ergo Sum is absolutely and clearly dedicated to the improvement of Wikipedia, working on niche subjects but taking them to levels of excellence to serve our readers. I know that I have made many (probably pedantic) demands of Ergo Sum during various reviews, to which he has responded kindly, generously, sometimes with reservation but never with any kind of hostility. The end result has been a series of really good articles. To be clear: Ergo Sum has 21 GAs and 6 FAs to his name, his dedication to content and our readers cannot be questioned. Oh, and six Four Awards? Who can even imagine just one?
As far as becoming an admin is concerned, Ergo Sum has assured me that he would start quietly and work up experience, commencing in speedy deletion decisions and obvious vandalblocks and protection requests, before moving onto more complex issues such as history merges and the terror of ANI reports. I cannot remember a single instance where Ergo Sum's behavioural competencies could be called into question, indeed it has always been a complete pleasure to work with him in making content better. I wholeheartedly commend Ergo Sum to you all. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
- I humbly accept TRM's nomination and express my thanks for such kind words. I have never engaged in paid editing. Ergo Sum 22:46, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: I enjoy trying my hand in a lot of different tasks that Wikipedia has to offer, in order to find the ones that I enjoy. This has been my philosophy as an editor, and I would adopt it as my philosophy as an administrator. As a new administrator, I would get involved in speedy deletion requests, page protection requests, and (cautiously at first) vandalism blocks. Once I am more comfortable with the administrator toolset, I envision working my way into page history merges and attending to incidents on the administrator's noticeboard.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: At present, I am first and foremost a content contributor (though not to the exclusion of "administrative" tasks). Therefore, the contributions I am most proud of are the featured articles I have created and received Four Awards for. I anticipate bringing the bulk of my good articles up to featured status, as well as shepherding a substantial number of other articles that I have either written/created or will significantly improve to good status. Specifically, my goal is to turn presidents of Georgetown University, which is what I have most recently been working on, into a featured topic. Much of my long-term strategy can be found in my sandboxes, and my past recognized content can be found on my userpage.
- I believe that Wikipedia should not simply be a collection of discrete articles, but a coherent ecosystem of interlocking knowledge. This is a much more ambitious and difficult objective. Though this may be something of an oversimplification, I believe the most important factor elevating Wikipedia above the traditional, paper encyclopedia is the wikilink. Therefore, rather than simply create an article (often a niche one, as TRM rightly says), I will often create ancillary articles that can link to or be linked from the main article, in order to provide the inquisitive reader with a comprehensive view of a given subject. This is what I have done with the Georgetown presidents series, and am quite proud of it.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: The only interaction I've had that I would describe as a "conflict" would be my recent involvement in a dispute on the Federalist Society article. The transaction was variously spread across the article talk page, my talk page, and the article's reivision history (especially the edit summaries). I utilized the BOLD, revert, discuss method, initiated a discussion on the talk page with the user who disputed my edit, then opened a request for comment when I saw the discussion had reached an impasse.
- In the future, I intend to continue adhering to the maxim that Wikipedia should be a collegial environment. This means that to the best of my ability, I will act not just with civility, but courtesy. I also intend to continue using the above BRD method, and employing third opinions and requests for comment.
You may ask optional questions below. There is a limit of two questions per editor. Multi-part questions disguised as one question, with the intention of evading the limit, are disallowed. Follow-up questions relevant to questions you have already asked are allowed.
- Additional questions from Willbb234
- 4. Hi there. What, in your opinion, is the most important policy or guideline and why?
- A:It's hard not to say one of the core content policies. Many of the policies and guidelines are important, but I think you could probably run this place pretty well with just those three. We live in contentious times, where an ever-diminishing number of people seem to be holding back the floodgates of factual relativism. Therefore, if I were to pick one important policy, it must be NPOV. NPOV is the reason that so many mass media outlets (e.g. Google, YouTube, Facebook, etc.) cite to Wikipedia.
- 5. You intend to work on speedy deletion requests. However, you have only particupated in 5 AfDs ([1]). Do you think this lack of experience in this area may hinder your work?
- A: If you don't mind, I would like to answer this question so as to also address some of the concerns of the voting editors below. My overriding principle on Wikipedia is to act judiciously; more often than not, this means to act cautiously and with an appreciation both of what I know and what I do not. To say the least, I am not one to rush to utilize an extraordinary tool when I am not confident in its appropriateness and in my ability to wield it.
- I would point to the approval of my template editor permission request two years ago as as evidence of how I would be affected by the fact that I have worked primarily in content creation, rather than the back end of Wikipedia. The permission was granted to me temporarily, and later granted permanently. In that trial period, I used the template editor permission frequently, but cautiously. I sought out the advice of experienced template editors, practiced my skills on increasingly larger projects, and developed my ability. I believe that I know my wiki-strengths well enough to say that my time would not be best spent on at least some of the proto-admin tasks that many RfA candidates work on. That being said, I closely adhere to Wikipedia's policies and unwritten norms, and am a generally inquisitive person who likes learning on the job.
- In short, I understand the hesitation of many of the "oppose" voters below, but am confident that if they were to ask the experienced editors I have worked with, especially in utilizing my advanced permissions like template editor, they would be told that I learn quickly and act cautiously. Above all, I intend to do no harm.
- Additional questions from John M Wolfson
- 6. I see that User:Ergo Sum/CSD log doesn't currently exist. Where might I find a record of your speedy deletions, given that it is what you intend to work in?
- A: I appreciate receiving the benefit of the doubt, but you are quite right: I haven't been involved in speedy deletions, except as an observer (whereby I actually have been a pretty frequent observer of speedy deletion requests). The short answer to this is that I have heretofore been more interested in creating fairly niche content than in deleting it. (This is not to say that I believe the deletion process is unimportant; on the contrary!). Rather than trawl the encyclopedia, I tend to silo, as far as subject matter is concerned. As an aside, I have participated in the proposed deletion process.
- That being said, I view the role of an administrator as different from a nominator in speedy deletion. A nominator must search out articles that prima facie meet the CSD criteria. An administrator enjoys the benefit of having this work already done, and must instead compare the article against the CSD criteria. Rules and laws are something I work with as a career off-wiki and are something I pay particular attention to on-wiki. I would feel comfortable assessing a nominated article against the CSD criteria, which I am quite familiar with.
- I apologize if I came across as a bit dickish. While I opposed and stand by it, I appreciate your efforts and your answer to this question and would be more than happy to support in a future RfA. Do note that for such a future RfA having a CSD log is a good idea given your intents, you can get one by installing Twinkle and enabling it in your settings. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 08:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- 7. An editor creates an article on an elementary school that entirely comprises material copied and pasted from that school's website. What criterion for speedy deletion applies, and in particular which criterion/a do(es) not apply?
- Additional question from Spy-cicle
- 8. Do you intend to work on AfDs (i.e. closing AfDs) if you become an admin once familiar with speedy deletion requests?
- A: I think that's very possible, though most likely not immediately upon becoming an admin. I do like to try my hand in different areas, and AfD would certainly be one of those, but I would first focus on becoming comfortable in the areas I describe above.
- Additional question from Puddleglum2.0
- 9. Hi. Do you operate any alternative accounts?
- A: No.
- Additional question from Barkeep49
- 10. I was ready to support you until I saw that you would eventually want to close AfDs. CSD, page protection, and to some extent vandalism blocks are pretty straightforward reading of policy and given your content experience I had zero concerns about your ability to correctly apply written policy and guidelines especially given your promise to go slow. But closing discussions for me is a different skill. Do you have experience you can point to showing your ability to judge consensus?
- A: Sorry, allow me to clarify my comment on AfD. I have no plans to engage in AfD now or in the near future. However, I meant to indicate that at some point in the future (whether months or years), it's possible that I might become interested in that and start learning about it. For now, I have no intention of working in AfD.
- 11. Sorry one more line of inquiry. It's unusual for someone who has been so disinterested in the project side of things to decide to go for sysop. If you'll forgive the double question on one theme, why now and why get involved in this way?
- A: Well, once I got involved in some of the higher-level content areas of Wikipedia (GAN, FAC, TFA), I came to appreciate the extent to which administrative work affects content. I'm sure there was once a time when I had no interest at all in the admin side. But, I do feel quite strongly about content, which I think necessarily translates into feeling strongly about the administrative tasks that are intimately tied up in content creation/improvement.
- That being said, with administrative tasks, I think there are degrees of attenuation from content. Some are more closely tied to it than others. All are important, and I'm very glad that we have talented administrators who work prolifically on the "purely" administrative matters. At the outset, I would leave those tasks to those talented administrators, and focus on the administrative tasks more closely tied up with content. To answer your question in short, as I've elevated my content editing skills, I now see adminship as an appropriate step to facilitating those skills.
- Additional question from Iffy
- 12. At the time of this question, there is a current WP:RFPP request:
2020 Taal Volcano eruption - Indefinite semi-protection: Persistent disruptive editing. ~~~~
, What administrative actions would you take (or not take) on this report? Iffy★Chat -- 13:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC)- A: There has been both vandalism and disruptive edits by multiple unregistered and new users, likely due to media coverage of the event. Since the page has not been semi-protected before, an indefinite semi-protection would not be appropriate. I tend toward the minimum necessary duration of semi-protection, so I would semi-protect for 48 hours. This would give the unregistered/new users sufficient time to cool down or direct their attention elsewhere, and also media coverage may have waned somewhat during that time. If vandalism persists after the 48-hour expiration, then I would semi-protect for a longer period of time (perhaps a week). If vandalism resurfaces after that, then I would indefinitely semi-protect. Ergo Sum 16:23, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from Taewangkorea
- 13. If you become an admin and encounter an area in Wikipedia that you were unfamiliar with, which you were asked to deal with, what would you do? Taewangkorea (talk) 18:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- A: I'm assuming this request is coming in the form of an editor asking me to do something on my talk page. I would first determine whether I was technically comfortable performing the task being requested. If I were, then I would naturally investigate whether the request was appropriate, per the policies and guidelines. However, if I were not comfortable, I would direct the editor to the appropriate noticeboard or other venue for making the request. Depending on the nature of the request, I might also loop in an administrator with whom I have a past relationship and who I know performs those sorts of tasks routinely. Lastly, knowing my own inquisitive nature, I would want to investigate why that editor asked me to perform the task, since if I were not comfortable doing it, that means I hadn't done it in the past. Ergo Sum 19:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from ƏXPLICIT
- 14. Under what circumstance is an opining participant of a deletion discussion (not the nominator) allowed to close said discussion?
- A: The rules for this are laid out at WP:DPR#NAC. An editor who has voted and expressed opinions in a deletion discussion may not close the discussion, with the exception being an editor who closes their own nomination as speedy keep. Were this editor to have not voted/been involved, then they could close so long as it is not a delete (since they cannot delete), it is not a close call, and they note that they are not an admin. Ergo Sum 17:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- 15. User A created Category:Foo, California in October 2019. User B moved the category to Category:Foo, Goo County, California to harmonize the category set in November. User B tags the resulting redirect category with {{db}} and the rationale "not needed" in January 2020. What action do you take?
- A: To clarify, my understanding is that it is Category:Foo, California that has been tagged with {{db}}, and that category is now a category redirect but was once populated. Since WP:C1 does not allow category redirects to be deleted via CSD, I would remove the {{db}} tag, and leave a note on the tagging editor's talk page informing them that to delete the category, they would have to list it at WP:CfD, and link them to the non-binding essay Wikipedia:Category redirects that should be kept, for consideration. Ergo Sum 17:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from Coffee
- 16. You come across an article on a relatively unknown (yet notable) living children's book author that says they have "caused 5 car accidents resulting in 3 people's deaths and they showed no remorse". The claim is directly cited to a reliable source that says they have been "accused by their former roommate of driving under the influence". What do you do?
- A: If that is the only relevant thing that the source says regarding the statement, then I would remove as an unsourced/poorly sourced statement per WP:BLPREMOVE. Ergo Sum 17:24, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- 17. You discover an editor who has created three unsourced BLPs in the past week after being warned thrice about not providing reliable sources to verify claims about living people. What do you do?
- A: First, I would make sure that the articles are tagged with {{BLP unsourced}}. Then, since the editor has been warned three times, I don't think it would do much go to continue warning or using further-escalating templates. Moreover, since the violations are not on just one BLP article, and is coming from one editor, page protection would do no good. Therefore, I would block the editor in accordance with WP:WHYBLOCK#Protection for two days and place {{Uw-bioblock}} on their userpage. Ergo Sum 17:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from Nick Moyes
- 18. I realise this is a very late question but, bearing in mind some of the comments expressed below about your lack of past experience with CSD and AFD, I wonder whether you feel it might allay any concerns if you were to declare whether you would be willing to add your name to Category:Wikipedia administrators open to recall?
- Additional question from Minecrafter0271
- 19. How long have you been editing on Wikipedia?
- A:
Discussion
- Links for Ergo Sum: Ergo Sum (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
- Edit summary usage for Ergo Sum can be found here.
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.
Support
- Support. I have watched the development of this editor for some time, and they appear to be clued in and motivated to do good. BD2412 T 00:01, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Youbetcha. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:07, 19 January 2020 (UTC) Because we need admins who know how to build content, more than we need those who know how to delete content. Because we need admins we have worked with and can trust, more than we need admins who have focused on climbing the grease pole and checking all the boxes. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong Support, as this nominee is actually one of the few that meets my criteria. ES not only has a featured article, he has six, and he earned a Four Award for each. There appears to be no impediments to his being an admin. This is exactly the type of editor who should be an admin. GregJackP Boomer! 00:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Per my trust in BD2412. GMGtalk 01:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- I learned on the job and so did many other content creators. It's true that it's no longer 2008, but nothing has changed that much. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- User appears clueful and low-drama, and suggests a thoughtful approach to how they will learn the ropes as an admin. In light of this, opposes are not particularly convincing. --JBL (talk) 02:01, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Excellent content contributions. The vandalism and protection noticeboards could always use more participation, since it would be in Wikipedia's best interest for reports on those noticeboards to be addressed as quickly as possible. Writing featured articles demonstrates a strong understanding of content policies. Ergo Sum states that they will approach new areas with caution, and their assurance is credible in light of their uncontroversial history. I appreciate Ergo Sum's promise to contribute content and be courteous to other editors at the same time. — Newslinger talk 02:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC) Edited — Newslinger talk 05:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - great content creator, has a clue about WP policies. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support clear net postive and good content creation.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 02:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Excellent content creation and no drama whatsoever. Clearly would be a net positive with the mop, and the vast majority of admins end up "learning on the job," so to speak. Not really convinced by the opposes, given that the user clearly demonstrates an understanding of policies. OhKayeSierra (talk) 04:16, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - unusually excellent record of content creation. Not so much experience of classic admin areas, but has said he'll start slowly. Has always seemed very level-headed. I'm not at all put off by the first dozen opposes. Johnbod (talk) 04:46, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I understand why people are opposing, but I'm really not all that fussed - I don't think working in admin-y areas is necessarily a prerequisite to becoming an administrator. This is clearly a user with the best interests of the encyclopaedia in mind, and I trust they will use the tools well. SportingFlyer T·C 05:34, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per many of the above. Always good to see a content creator to balance out the more...'nuts and bolts'/'classic admin areas' candidates. Those who have a little skin in the game see things from a slightly different view, and it's good to have balance across the admin cadre as a whole, rather than insisting all admins must be of a certain type. - SchroCat (talk) 08:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – A great builder and not a bickerer. Those complaining about the low edit count have not seen this efficient editor at work. They do not clog watchlists with minor tinkering but produce well written and sourced content that is just awesome!!! My interactions with them perfectly embody the very essence of "We are here to build an encyclopedia." There is need for content creators as admins to balance out the squad. God forbid, if @WP:TFA coordinators and @FAC coordinators: died today, our Main Page would be at a complete loss for what to do. We need these types of users to become understudies at WP:TFA and WP:FAC. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 09:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- support per Johnbod. Given the level of opposes I would suggest taking part in a few AFDs, sourcing/rescuing those that can be sourced and supporting the deletion of those that can't; then coming back here in a few months. Supporting now because I'm confident that the candidate is already has the skills and smarts. ϢereSpielChequers 09:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Moving from oppose.[2] I'm persuaded by Johnbod's reasoning, and have seen Ergo under pressure during a very hostile review where they were unfailingly cool under pressure when others had lost their heads. Ceoil (talk) 09:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom, per GregJackP and per User:Ritchie333/CSD log. An editor with an outstanding level of content contribution and excellent civility (which can be demonstrated by their level-headedness at multiple FACs) will have grasped the important policies and can learn everything else on the job. In particular, somebody with multiple FAs can grok AIV in about ten minutes. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:40, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I don't know this user but I don't see any issues. Deb (talk) 09:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Ergo Sum's contributions so far have shown that they are here for the right reasons - they are clearly capable, and enthusiastic and dedicated. If such a person wants to turn their hand to admin roles, I am happy to support them - sure, they might not have done much in those areas to date, but they've shown the capacity to learn and I've no doubt that they'll proceed cautiously. Plus, it's so nice to see GregJackP in the support column for once, I want to be able to join him for a change :) GirthSummit (blether) 10:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - there are a few points to make upfront - (1) we need more admins, (2) this editor has the longevity and the clear commitment to the project and its well-being which we would expect of any admin, and (3) he knows and understands the content-creation arena better than most. The question is, are there any risks associated with promoting him to adminship? The prospect of him going rogue and going round deleting things on a whim, getting into conflicts, or maliciously blocking newbies, seems remote given his history of sensible contribution and interaction. So the main question we have to ask is whether he will make inadvertent errors or prove to lack the judgement necessary to make good admin decisions. J947 says below that
"he would most likely cause more harm than he's worth"
... that's a legitimate point of view, but having given it some thought I don't think I share it. The candidate talks of starting with simple things and then building up knowledge on the job, and I think that's a good way to do it. Speaking personally, I started out as an admin on a fairly narrow range of experience, but the community trusted me and I've built up more knowledge of things as I've gone along. I foresee the same thing here, and I don't think we should pass on the opportunity to add to the corps at a time we need it. I also see a number of highly trusted names in the support ranks above, so it's clear it's not an outlier view to think there would be a WP:NETPOSITIVE here. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 10:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC) - As I would support the nom, so I support the candidate. ——SN54129 10:26, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom as well as per Amakuru. Certainly a net positive, no concerns of going rogue and deleting the main page. –FlyingAce✈hello 10:33, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per TRM's nom and most of the comments above. I don't believe extensive content work is an essential prerequisite to adminship, but we certainly shouldn't fault a candidate for having focused on it. Newyorkbrad (talk) 10:48, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Content creation is the heart of why we’re here. I see no benefit of making them wait further if they’re willing to take on and learn new skills benefiting everyone, they obviously have a clue. Gleeanon409 (talk) 11:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - clearly a good content creator. Do they need the tools right now? Maybe not. However, they clearly know what they want to do, so I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I was on the fence, as though I like Ergo sum's content work, and they seem levelheaded judging by their interactions at FAC, they have not, as many have noted, got much of a track-record of admin work to judge. But Amakuru's reasoning has tipped my over into the support camp, and I agree with SchroCat that
it's good to have balance across the admin cadre as a whole, rather than insisting all admins must be of a certain type
Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 12:10, 19 January 2020 (UTC) - Support precious enlightenment --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Amakuru. Someone who clearly has Wikipedia's best interests at heart is not going to go rogue, so there is a net positive to letting the candidate help out. The one concern, and it's a small one, would be if the candidate were to dive into an area they know nothing about and start firing from the hip, but I trust the reassurances that won't happen. Good luck, we need more variety! -- Tavix (talk) 12:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I don't remember ever interacting with this editor, which is probably a good sign. Also doesn't seem like a power-hungry weirdo. Pelirojopajaro (talk) 13:24, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- An experienced content creator with no major issues. Adminship is not supposed to be a big deal, and the fact that someone doesn’t spend their time fighting vandals or reporting stuff to UAA isn’t a negative in my book. If they hadn’t mentioned the three letters “CSD” this likely would be passing right now. They can do that slowly and learn. The ultimate question is are they competent and will they abuse the tools. My phrase is typically “not a jerk, has a clue.” I think Ergo sum more than passes that. Thus support. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:34, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Adminship is supposed to not be a big deal. ES has shown me that they will not mishandle the tools, and will be a bet benefit for the project. RickinBaltimore (talk) 14:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support for meeting my minimums and no big deal. NYB said it well above, I have seen huge oppose pile-ons for not enough content creation (which I do not agree with) and this candidate has opposite? They appear committed, eager, and motivated - given them a mop. Ifnord (talk) 14:46, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - thoughtful, clueful, and here to build an encyclopedia. --Laser brain (talk) 15:17, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support will be a net positive to the project. Great contributions across Wikipedia. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:30, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - we're building an encyclopedia over years, and the candidate has shown their commitment to that work. A little learning on the job is not only acceptable, it's expected - we're all amateurs here. I have no reason to think, and plenty of reason not to think, that the candidate will be reckless with the admin tools. Ganesha811 (talk) 15:44, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support. I was tempted to oppose on the grounds that this candidate's content creation might suffer from energies being diverted toward adminship tasks, but I don't have a right to second-guess such things and my impression that Ergo Sum's approach to the tasks would be at the highest level of competency and responsibility is very strong. All things considered, Wikipedia needs administrators like this one. – Athaenara ✉ 15:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Per Amakuru. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 15:53, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support for a definite net positive. Trustworthy editor, trustworthy nom. Opposes not a concern. Miniapolis 16:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- No reason not to trust the candidate. Lack of experience in many admin areas is not a problem if accompanied by clue and willingness to learn, and I think this is the case here (see also Q5). —Kusma (t·c) 16:22, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support (with some hesitation) Your content creation is excellent and commendable, and I appreciate your answer to Q5. I have confidence you will be a great admin (even if this RfA fails, your next will succeed), but hesitate due to your relative lack of experience in doing admin-y things. However, on the whole I think you understand policy (even if you lack some experience with them), will be cautious, and will not abuse the tools, so I support. Mdaniels5757 (talk) 16:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- A thoughtful, collaborative, and cautious editor. I see no reason they could not be an effective administrator as long as they start slow, recognize their limits, and perform due diligence in new areas. There are dozens of administrative areas with which any number of trusted admins are unfamiliar- yet we trust them to know when (and when not) to use the tools and to self-assess their competence. There are many resources available to bring administrators up to speed and understanding/applying GA/FA criteria demonstrates an ability to understand/apply policies and guidelines, so I’m not seeing a pressing need for them to intern in administrative work tasks for six months when we have pressing backlogs to attend to now (CAT:RFU comes to mind). –xenotalk 16:42, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support Ergo sum's contributions give the impression of a level-headed, dedicated, extremely clueful editor. With powerhouse contributions to the encyclopedia, and a cool head even when discussions aren't going their way, Ergo sum seems an easy candidate for us to trust with some slightly more disruptive tools. I have complete faith that they'll do their homework before entering any new/contentious areas. Ajpolino (talk) 17:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support This is weak support actually, there are a number of valid reasons in the oppose section but so in the support. On balance I don't think this candidate would be a net negative. – Ammarpad (talk) 17:44, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No reason to think that this user would abuse the tools. Also the arguments in the oppose section are unconvincing.--rogerd (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support as per others.
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18:44, 19 January 2020 (UTC) - Happy to support. El_C 19:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. See no problems here. -- Visviva (talk) 19:57, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Multiple FAs and GAs demonstrate a strong ability to understand and apply policy. As long as an editor is willing to slowly enter new areas and responds to feedback on their actions, there is no particular need for prior experience in admin areas before becoming an admin. Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- I disagree strongly with the supports of "no big deal". If it were no big deal it would be far more common for users to gain and lose adminship. But just because it's a big deal doesn't mean only the platonic ideal of administrator need apply. For any of our permissions (and RFA is just a kind of turbocharged permission), my philosophy all is: will granting this improve the encyclopedia? This is an interesting case. We have lots of evidence about what this user is like, it's just not the sort of evidence that we are used to at RfA. But it doesn't mean the evidence isn't there. I believe that all sysops should have a good overall grasp on policy and guidelines. But this doesn't mean that they have to have them all memorized but it does mean that they know what's out there. This way when doing something that doesn't fall in their core policy mastery they know if there's a policy or guideline out there to be consulted. Writing high level Wikipedia content shows this kind of understanding. I support those who aren't content creators because they can show this mastery in other ways. But I just won't believe that you don't know how Wikipedia works on a deep level if you are capable of producing high quality, top tier, content. Period. So Ergo checks this off criteria off easily. Next I look at disposition. And I don't see any red flags and indeed see much that is positive. Foremost is the humility I see with how they will start to use the sysop toollkit and the way that they used another high level permission, template editor. The "has no need" for the tools argument also just doesn't resonate with me. We have someone saying that they think they have a need for tools and have outlined specific tools, the ability to speedy delete, issue page protections, and perhaps do vandalism blocks, that they would use. Those three tools (delete, protect, and block) are the heart of the sysop toolset. And there is work to be done in those areas so to whatever extent Ergo chooses to use the toolset in those ways is a benefit to the encyclopedia. But only if we can trust that Ergo will use the tools in ways that is supported - through policies and guidelines - by community consensus. As I think the answer is yes and I think they will approach administrative work with the right mindset it is my pleasure to support this candidate and I hope others will join me in doing so. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:09, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- The candidate has clearly demonstrated their commitment to improving the encyclopedia and the opposes (e.g. "only" 820 edits in Wp namespace) are unpersuasive. DexDor (talk) 20:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Prolific content contributor with sensible answers to questions. He's experienced in the core purpose of Wikipedia; the admin-specific details can be learned given good judgment and a cautious approach to the areas where experience is lacking. Also per Amakuru. --Noren (talk) 20:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Who among us came to Wikipedia because we wanted to read all the administrative rules and see how the governance of the organization happens? Hardly any of us came for that, but rather for the knowledge and the scope of what we can learn and contribute. Ergo has significantly contributed to what Wikipedia is and is therefore likely to use admin tools appropriately. There is room in the admin group to have diversity of skill sets. Deep policy expertise is important, but so is deep content expertise. Ergo's positives far out weigh any areas where development may be needed, and I don't see any negatives. Amakuru also makes excellent observations. --Glennfcowan (talk) 21:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support The whole idea of 'need for the tools' is overrated IMO. If you're a trusted, competent editor, you should be allowed to deal with issues when you come across them rather than having to ask someone else to deal with them. You shouldn't have to go looking for such issues and demonstrate a history of asking someone else to deal with them in order to prove you 'need' the tools. This is a well-intentioned, trusted, competent editor. I believe such people should have the mop, even if they only use it occasionally. Mops for all the well-intentioned competent editors! --valereee (talk) 21:22, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per the users above, particularly SandyGeorgia. We are here primarily to build an encyclopedia, not to frequent our drama boards or excel at technocratic abbreviated dark corners of our enwiki world. Ergo Sum is a great contributor to our project, there are no red flags, therefore I am confident he will make a very good administrator.--Darwinek (talk) 21:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support not needing the tools is not a good reason to deny them, neither is not having much experience with the things that do need tools - without some evidence that Ergo Sum will actually misuse the tools, or acts in a way unbecoming of an administrator, I'm voting support. Banedon (talk) 22:07, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Xeno and several others. I've read through the opposes and, while I understand their perspective, I haven't seen anything there that makes me worry the tools would be abused or misused. 28bytes (talk) 22:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Experienced content editor (which is what Wikipedia is all about) and plenty of Wikipedia space edits too. Garion96 (talk) 22:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support This is a difficult one. The most important consideration is if the candidate being an admin would be a net positive or not. Considering the immense amount of disruption that can be caused by an incompetent admin this requires large amounts of trust and experience dealing with policies and guidelines. While Ergo Sum haven't demonstrated much experience in admin areas they have consistently shown good judgement and all the Wikipedia space edits I reviewed showed great competency and have shown lots of experience dealing with policy by creating top tier content. I trust that they will go slowly and not cause issues. While not having a CfD log is quite bad it is not enough to oppose. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 22:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Despite concerns raised, editor in question seems like a net positive in the end & that’s really all that matters, perfection isn’t a pre-requisite for requesting the mop.Celestina007 (talk) 23:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I think the candidate's familiarity and experience in content editing will make up for lack of experience in AfDs to date, and suspect they will be a net positive. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:29, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per non statement. Net positive. quality over quantity.-- Deepfriedokra 01:27, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support unless somebody can show me a red flag in terms of temperament. I appreciate the honest answer to question 3 and don't see a major issue with their conduct on Federalist Society; I'm also convinced by the idea that Ergo Sum's content creation and familiarity with seeing CSD and AfD from a content creator's view are good enough for the no big deal of assessing CSDs or closing AfDs. I feel like they address AfD stats concerns adequately below:
With most of those articles, I nominated them knowing that they were on the fence (in my view). I haven't had much interest in nominating articles that are clear keeps or deletes. [...] when I find an article that seems to be on the fence with CSD criteria but might be one of those unaccounted-for scenarios, I will nominate it.
If you've got a solid base to work from, I think AfD or CSD aren't that difficult to learn as you go, and I think Ergo Sum has a particularly solid base of knowledge from their excellent content creations. — Bilorv (talk) 01:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC) - Support – Kurtis (talk) 02:04, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: a level-headed contributor and unlikely to abuse the tools. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Barkeep49, Amakuru, and noms. signed, Rosguill talk 02:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - after doing a bit of homework, everything I learned about this candidate is conducive to being an excellent administrator - skills that I firmly believe will serve as an enhancement to adminship not a hinderence. It is the type of content knowledge that we need in our admin force. After a basic review of editor interactions, what I saw confirmed to me that this candidate is polite, level-headed, knowledgeable about WP:PAGs and above all, has a clue about creating content and how to bring that content to the level of excellence. Considering content issues are typically at the core of most disputes at our drama boards, it seems pretty clear to me we have an excellent candidate in Ergo Sum. As far as having experience in other areas, I believe the candidate has enough knowledge about WP to do the job and do it well. Atsme Talk 📧 04:23, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Opposes are utterly unconvincing. Really, the idea is to create good content and then the adminship (at least the AFD stats that everyone obsesses about) will come from that. --Rschen7754 06:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Experienced contributor. Accepting that they have little maintenance experience, I still have no concerns. AGK ■ 07:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support The lack of experience in admin areas would usually put me off, but the candidate has shown they are level-headed, knowledgeable and are highly unlikely to abuse the tools. Kosack (talk) 13:10, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Smallchief (talk) 14:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I'd much rather have great content contributors learning admin on the job than those who know the ins and outs of admin-related policy but generate very little content (shuffles nervously, trying not to look in mirror.) In fact, I'd say extensive content experience is the best admin learning route there is. And TRM's opinion on who would make a good admin is one I value. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:48, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Full of clue, intelligent, polite and even patient (he's put up with me really dragging things out over GAN review without losing his temper). Respects policy. Total confidence in this user. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:48, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support (moved from neutral (edit conflict)). I think Ergo Sum is an excellent editor - his FAs and GAs truly are enjoyable to read and I've supported several of these nominations. I also have found him to be calm during discussions. Initially I had reservations about not having experience in admin areas, and my support is "weak" because I still have such reservations. However, I trust him highly as a wiki-colleague and am confident he can learn on the job. epicgenius (talk) 15:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support definitely has a clue and is definitely not a jerk. Adminhip is not rocket science so I fully expect that giving Ergo Sum the bit will be a net positive for the project. Pichpich (talk) 16:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- weak Support, After evaluating my RFA criteria, I was torn between supporting or !voting neutral, so I asked Q12, and while their answer isn't perfect (indefinite protection should be a last last resort), it's good enough; and combined with their other answers, gets them my support here. I don't care about a lack of CSD log as Twinkle shouldn't be a requirement for adminship, and while I share the concerns of the Opposers citing a lack of experience in admin-y areas, I'm not convinced that this lack of experience on its own is disqualifying. Iffy★Chat -- 16:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support The crux of the argument against this editor becoming and admin is that they're not acting like an admin already. Which is kind of a weird argument to make, in a way, since non-admin editors are often told to not act like admins. In any event, editors should be editing in whatever areas interest them and their answers to questions demonstrate clear cluefulness. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Strong content contributors are needed in all areas, but none moreso than as admins AlasdairEdits (talk) 18:35, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I don't find the Opposes very convincing, especially those in line with CaptainEek's reasoning; i don't know the candidate through mine own experience, but (a) my criteria appear to be met and (b) there are a large number of editors i greatly respect above also supporting. Happy days, LindsayHello 21:03, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support A good content creator that has a clue. They will not mess up with the tools, even if they won't get as widely used in the controversial areas. Stephen 22:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Barkeep49, Valereee and, especially, Boing! said Zebedee. I find most of the opposers' comments unconvincing to the point of being ill thought through. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Experience in high-quality content creation makes up for any lack of experience in the admin areas, and per Boing! said Zebedee's comment above, a thorough understanding of content issues is a great way to learn about policy. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:13, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - no real need for the tools as of now, but might be occasionally helpful. I've also looked through a bunch of their past interpersonal interactions and they all seem reasonable. Low risk, can clearly understand and interpret policies, and might even expand into a bunch of admin work someday. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 03:14, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- To the best of my knowledge I've never had the slightest interaction with this editor, but the "oppose" section contains some of the goofiest pretexts I've seen in a long time. If all those with grudges and all the serial-opposers are unable to find a single legitimate reason for opposition, that's a strong indication to me that such a reason doesn't exist. ‑ Iridescent 07:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I've pondered this for a few days and where I've got to is best summed up by Lee Vilenski above. Schwede66 08:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Why not. Conlinp (talk) 09:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I personally believe that a good content creator will make a good admin. Seems trusthworthy and have a clue. Lulusword (talk) 09:53, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I appear to have had a brain melt and forgotten to vote for my own candidate. Obvious support, and an assurance that he will take small steps assuages any concerns of lack of experience. There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that Ergo Sum becoming an admin will be a net gain for Wikipedia. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I have no reason to believe he'd misuse the tools. Would make a good admin.--Jayron32 10:14, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Moved from neutral. Clearly has the "temperament" (nobody disputes this), but now I think has also shown good "judgement" (and a sharp mind behind that judgement who can advocate it dispassionately and clearly, but easily accepts decisions against them). I take them at their word to go slowly on admin actions in non-FA/GA areas – it would be a tragedy if misfires of the tools, led to actions against them that caused them to leave WP. I also acknowledge concerns above that the FA-GA process needs new admins. Britishfinance (talk) 12:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Ehh, so what if they aren't too skilled in non-admin areas? We have good editors who have the admin tools but don't always use them. If they mess up, we can just desysop them, but I have confidence that won't happen. 💴Money💶💵emoji💷Talk💸Help out at CCI! 12:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support thought about it for a bit, agree with the general concensus of the above and best summed up by Lulusword Edmund Patrick – confer 12:49, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. No issues here. Meets my criteria. ZettaComposer (talk) 12:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support--AhmadLX-(Wikiposta) 13:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Xeno and similar. Carcharoth (talk) 13:31, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support while there may be some dispute on whether the candidate needs the rights, I trust TRM's judgement in nominating the candidate. 1.02 editor (T/C) 14:00, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Xeno put it particularly well, and I agree with that general sentiment that many other editors have raised here. A lack of specific admin-area experience, but tempered by an overall extreme impression of competence, which gives me sufficient confidence that there won't be any deranged charging into doing admin tasks without understanding. Ultimately more sensible users with admin tools are a good thing, and I think we've seen enough from Ergo Sum overall to make it a positive move. ~ mazca talk 15:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support based on temperment, content creation, expectation of cautiousness for new areas, and thoughtful answers above. Loopy30 (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not worried the tools will be abused here, but not really worried they will be used outside of article maintenance, so, meh, Support. Rgrds. --Bison X (talk) 16:44, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- WP:100 support. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 17:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No concerns. Vadder (talk) 18:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support can be trusted with a mop --DannyS712 (talk) 18:57, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support He has tripped the edit filter probably multiple times as seen here but it hasn't been due to vandalism. Like his user page, and has very little WP:TW notices on it. I would go with support because he seems to be nice when doing WP:AGF edits. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ for you, Ergo Sum! Bryce M (talk) 19:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support History shows dedication to what the project is about as well as level-headedness and willingness to learn, it doesn't show rushing in on unfamiliar terrain or barging in and posturing in general. I trust the candidate will stay the same after becoming an administrator. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I have no doubt that Ergo Sum has what it takes to become a good admin. I appreciate that there are concerns about lack of experience in administrative areas, but ES has all the qualities that are much harder to learn, including the common sense to not wade into territory that they're not yet familiar enough with. I trust that they'll do just fine. Vexations (talk) 23:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Although I do feel than an admin should have experience in the back-stage areas of Wikipedia, the solid content creation, temperment, and the answer to my question which indicates cautiousness for unfamiliar areas, I am inclined to support. Taewangkorea (talk) 00:54, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - An excellent editor who will no doubt will become an excellent admin, I see no red flags here. Easy support. –Davey2010Talk 01:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per many above comments. Although there isn't a clear admin area of interest that doesn't mean the tools won't be used, and I think Ergo will use them when appropriate to the benefit of the encyclopedia. --Tom (LT) (talk) 06:32, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. In this era, we need to give trusted users the opportunity when they ask for it, like in the old days (gasp), whether or not their "demonstrated need" is a bit lacking. Some people show their ultimate promise in a role only once they are in the role. There is no need to gate-keep tools from trusted users; let them discover how much of an admin they want to be. Any amount is generally better than nothing. Outriggr (talk) 07:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I conceived my first question based on this request in 2018, where Ergo Sum asked an involved editor to close a TFD discussion. The answer to that question showed me that, while the candidate has made mistakes in the past, it is evident that he learns from these mistakes and adjusts accordingly. My second question is based on things I currently witness, where administrators delete categories under completely non-applicable rationales. To me, it is demonstrably clear that Ergo Sum has a solid grasp of policy, and is willing and able to fill gaps in other areas where he needs it. In addition to his extensive work on building the encyclopedia, I see no evidence to suggest that he would be nothing less than a net positive with the admin tools. ƏXPLICIT 07:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - strong contribution history, understands the editing environment, will do fine. -- Euryalus (talk) 08:10, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Good overall impression; and isn't an admin who does create content (and even knows how to do it) one of those things a larger number of people wants to see here? Also per Barkeep49. Lectonar (talk) 08:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I'm impressed with the candidate's content creation record, and also with the thoughtfulness and caution shown in their responses. I was made an admin on far less impressive evidence in both respects. (The only two things that I'd like to note after reading their answers are: be careful not to conflate disruptive editing, which may come from good intentions such as eagerness to bring an article up to date, with vandalism, a term we reserve for edits that appear intended to be damaging; and before blocking someone for any but the most urgent policy reasons, such as defamation, check that they've not only been sufficiently templated—and had time while still active to react to the templates—but that someone has explained the problem in plain English. We have a lot of policies and ways of doing things, and someone may honestly not understand that, for example, creating an article on a living person with no references is not permissible—or they may think an inline link to the person's website counts as a reference, or who knows what.) Opinions differ regarding whether an admin candidate should already have hung out in admin-type areas of the project, but so do admins and where they are active: if this candidate only uses the tools occasionally and when they are sure, that will still be a net positive, and with their background in collaborative editing to improve the encyclopedia, plus their expressed caution, I'm inclined to trust their judgement even if they have to learn most of it on the job, as I did. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I don't see it as a negative that that they intend to use the bits in generating content.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Spending most of her (generic pronoun) time in actually writing this encyclopedia would be a poor strategy for a hat collector. But this strategy is the best one for an encyclopedist. Don't they say: an admin should teach by example ? Pldx1 (talk) 10:08, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Trustable and experienced editor. No red flags. Arguments like "no demonstrated need" don't convince me. Giving him the rights would be a net positive for the project. Dead Mary (talk) 10:56, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- If someone appears to have clue , has demonstrated that they handle constructive criticism well , and has given no reason to believe that they secretly want to lord it over other editors , then I don't care much about experience in adminny areas. It can all be learned pretty easily on the job. With those boxes ticked, and with all the years of content work demonstrating they care more about the project than about the MMORPG, I'm happy to support. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - trustworthy editor. PhilKnight (talk) 18:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - the "they haven't been active in admin areas" is a poor excuse to oppose. It's not hard to understand that trying to be active in an area where you don't have the tools to support your work can make one feel it's a futile effort to wander in. Appears clueful, respectful, and has put the work in = support from me. — Ched (talk) 18:59, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support What Ched said (and others, as well). Sure, it'd be great to see this editor more active in clerking deletion discussions. I do disagree that an administrator needs to be involved in clerking behavioural problems and in blocking users for violations. Doug Mehus T·C 19:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - solid editor, didn't spot any issues.--Staberinde (talk) 19:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I think this individual is a wonderful candidate for the job, based on the editorial record accomplished to date. And at the risk of stepping on toes, I consider the excuses among the opposition to be the weakest arguments imaginable. Capt. Milokan (talk) 21:29, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support We are building an encyclopedia and this editor has been doing just that. My belief is that an administrator's main purposes are to protect content and protect content creators. This editor will be that kind of administrator. 75% contribution in main space! Lightburst (talk) 00:33, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – great editor, will be a great admin. Cavalryman (talk) 00:59, 23 January 2020 (UTC).
- Support - Overwhelming net positive. ~Swarm~ {sting} 03:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Somewhat hesitant support. Clear evidence of being here for the right reasons, solid content work, good temperament, etc. Adminning can largely be learned on the job, but it cannot be completely learned on the job; hence my hesitation; but the candidate's other experience, and the caution they've expressed in their answers, make me think they will be a net positive. I'd also like to echo the advice given above by Yngvaddotir. Vanamonde (Talk) 03:42, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: More evidence of experience with the back of the house would be good, but Ergo Sum has shown good judgement and I trust that as an administrator they will continue to think the way they have as a content creator. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 05:22, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- I like how Barkeep put it above: it's not that we don't have evidence of this editor's understanding of policy, it's just not the kind of evidence we're used to at RfA. Ergo Sum has clue and an in depth knowledge of our content policies, so I'm not very worried. Granting tools to Ergo Sum will be a net positive for the encyclopedia, so I support. — Wug·a·po·des 06:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, WP:NOBIGDEAL. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:30, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, will be fine. Fish+Karate 11:17, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support, I looked at this too many times dithering between weak support, neutral, and weak oppose examining the arguments of others and the candidates answers till I'm blue in the face. In the end my weak support seems not too unsafe in this circumstance, but I am very borderline.Djm-leighpark (talk) 11:43, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- The ayes have it. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I agree with the statements by Yngvadottir and Floquenbeam. I trust Ergo Sum will make positive additions as an administrator. — CactusWriter (talk) 16:06, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - per Sandy, Mike Christie, and Floq. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, per Sandy, Mike Christie, Floq, and Ealdgyth. NASCARfan0548 (alt) ↗ 19:16, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support - Per nom, SandyGeorgia, GregJackP, Yngvadottir, et al. I am absolutely unconvinced by the opposers' claims that he "does not have enough experience", when article writing is the single most important topic on Wikipedia, giving him more experience than many current admins. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how the Special:Block interface works, and how to use it to stop a vandal. (Please nobody look at my block log; I totally didn't mess it up.) Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Giving them the benefit of the doubt. Most admin work really isn't that difficult. — 🦊 20:28, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support To paraphrase Bertolt Brecht, first comes content. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 20:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support -- I would ideally like to see more admin type activity, but I believe they would be reasonably competent. -- Dolotta (talk) 21:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, creating content is hard, and if one can figure it out, they will figure out the admin bits. Renata (talk) 22:14, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I was going to write my own rationale, but in scrolling down, saw that Floquenbeam's support said essentially exactly what I was thinking. Martinp (talk) 23:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support - "has a clue" and "is not a jerk" would do it for me, but that would be damning him with faint praise. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:55, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Mike Christie's comments. Aoba47 (talk) 00:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. A talented and dedicated editor who knows what we're here for. Based on quality of contributions to date, temperament, and willingness to contribute further as an admin, I am very confident that Ergo Sum will take the time necessary to be an excellent admin. Cbl62 (talk) 02:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. We could use more help at WikiProject History Merge. There's a bit of a learning curve, but it's routine gnoming work so you're unlikely to run into controversy there, unlike the drama boards. Just ping me when you're ready to get started, and I'll answer any questions and walk you through it if you like. A lot of history merges are pretty easy; after you've done a bunch of those you can move on to the more complex cases. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support based on answers to questions and content creation history. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 06:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Trusted and experienced. - FitIndia Talk Commons 06:24, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Support. The failure scenarios here would if they act with ill intent or incompetently. Someone who has been here as long, and has contributed so much, can be trusted not to do the first and also to get up to sufficiently up to speed in new areas not to break things.Scribolt (talk) 06:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Excellent candidate who may make a few mistakes; however, he generally thinks things out. He thinks, therefore he is. PI Ellsworth ed. put'r there 09:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Trustworthy, experienced editor who will benefit the project with the tools; has a lot of clue. SpencerT•C 12:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I have debated this one, and decided that "strong content creator" outweighs "not enough experience in admin-related areas". That experience can and should be gained without difficulty. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support LittleChongsto (talk) 16:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support The article creation and editing show they know what's best for the encyclopedia. →StaniStani 16:30, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I have waited on this one in order to see the opposing arguments develop. While I would prefer that a prospective admin have more experience in admin related areas, I personally don't see that as a deal breaker. Ergo Sum certainly seems to have a strong grasp of Wikipedia and its policies, procedures and ethos, without setting off any real red flags. That's enough to satisfy me that they will understand the tools before using them, and they are unlikely to abuse them.--Mojo Hand (talk) 16:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- "Support" Very little risk, hence support. Nigej (talk) 18:32, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Per Mojo Hand right above me here. I think that Ergo's deep content creation experience show a familiarity with Wikipedia's policies as a whole which makes me less trepidacious about handing them the mop. Nomader (talk) 19:58, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per supporters. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:04, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support But promise to run your AfD closing decisions by an experienced XfD closer. I see that you have done much work to make this encyclopedia better. Wm335td (talk) 20:56, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support In all possible ways. --Pudeo (talk) 20:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. The candidate has extensive experience in Wikipedia, and I have confidence that knowing a little about improving article quality is more than adequate for perhaps knowing slightly less about which acronym is flavor of the day. Contributing to quality articles is way more important than making a fuss on noticeboards. MPS1992 (talk) 01:33, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Why Not? --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 03:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No doubts. A first class candidate. Poltair (talk) 04:01, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Moved from neutral. While I agree there's lack of much relevant experience in deletion and other explicitly admin-ish areas, I am also impressed by the content contributions, and the general WP:HERE history, and civility, and other good qualities. I see no evidence that the candidate would willfully abuse the tools, and am pretty sure that any accidental misapplication of any of them would be brief. That is, I assume in good faith and based on observation of competence and of care for the project that "on-the-job training" would turn out well, and it's worked plenty of times in WP's past. Not every incoming admin has to be a clerk at X page, or a daily participant at Y process, or mostly focused on internal adminny Z stuff, versus just actually getting encyclopedia-building work done. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 05:01, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Content creation comtribtions are so expansive that I'mm sure the nominer knows the rules for using the tools. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 06:08, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - SMcCandlish has expressed my views well. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:23, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Dede2008 (talk) 10:33, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support The opposes based on lack of experience in Admin areas, while well intended, suffer from a common weakness. As a top quality content contributor this candidate already has the innate ability to detect BLP vio., spam, vandalism, paid editing etc. All that they need to do is steadily learn which admin actions are needed as a response. I cannot see much strength in the argument that they must go off and somehow learn what Admin judgments are needed in response to situations which their existing level of content development will already be "built in". Leaky caldron (talk) 12:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Ergo is an competent and considered content creator with limited admin experience. If this project had a surplus of admins maybe I would oppose, but it's hard to imagine a character flaw cropping up in 6 months of focus on AfD/CSD/RFPP that hasn't had ample oppertunity to emerge. I trust he'll research the tools as carefully as his 7 FAs and begin slowly. --Spacepine (talk) 14:15, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No reason to believe they will misuse the tools or abuse the position.--MONGO (talk) 16:14, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support We need more admins who come from a content creation background, as that is the soul of this project, not the wankery of those who hang out at AN/I, chirping their agreement so they'll clear some magical "s/he's got relevant experience in admin areas" bullshit bar some seem to want admin candidates to leap over. This editor writes well and often, does not seem to be at any risk of abusing the tools, and is a good member of the WP community. That should be all that's required to get the administrative tool set. Hallward's Ghost (Kevin) (My talkpage) 17:05, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hallward's Ghost, the question 'Why do people badger oppose voters and not support voters?' is often asked, so I'm going to buck the trend. I agree with you that this request should be accepted (see my support vote above), but what did you hope to achieve by criticising the opposers in the terms that you chose to use? I don't think it adds any weight to your support. GirthSummit (blether) 19:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- I "hoped to achieve" making it clear that I view requiring excellent content creators, with no history of bad behavior, to jump through ludicrous hoops regarding "X edits at Y namespace" is absolute bollocks. I feel like those issues should only matter when an editor does not have a long track record of creating excellent content. And I "hoped to achieve" using the same kind of personal terms to generally describe those opposing this fantastic editor that they used to describe him specifically. I pop into RFA from time to time, and I sometimes see people talk about how few requests there are. This kind of nonsense is one reason. Editors like Ergo should sail through easily, while those who spend the large majority of their time as regular editors poking around admin namespace should get this kind of microscope. My experience on the project (which long precedes even the many years of this account) tells me the quality of admin is generally correlated with how much experience they have in creating the actual content that allows this project to exist. Hallward's Ghost (Kevin) (My talkpage) 02:55, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hallward's Ghost, the question 'Why do people badger oppose voters and not support voters?' is often asked, so I'm going to buck the trend. I agree with you that this request should be accepted (see my support vote above), but what did you hope to achieve by criticising the opposers in the terms that you chose to use? I don't think it adds any weight to your support. GirthSummit (blether) 19:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. (Moved from Neutral.) For the exact reasons articulated by Britishfinance. I wanted to see this candidate's judgement on display during this RFA. I have no further concerns in that area. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:59, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: We are here to build an encyclopedia and Ergo Sum is perfect for that. I don't see how this user will abuse the admin tools given to him. Wish more admins had the editing experience he does. MX (✉ • ✎) 18:27, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Positive contributions to the project, can be trusted with the tools. W42 19:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- based on the opposes:
- do I think he will misuse or abuse the tool?: No.
- do I think he will make a mistake with tools?: like any other human, there is a chance.
- in case he makes a mistake, will he try to improve himself?: looking at the nomination, candidate's talkpage, over-all RfA; I think he will.
- will the tools be used for just one purpose, or some very narrow field?: possibly. But they might start increasing the fields of activity in admin capacity.
- will he edit Wikipedia on his desktop or laptop? Or would he place his laptop on a desk's top?: whatever sails his boat.
- as long as there is no trouble/porblems, I am okay with a single purpose admin. I dont expect anybody to be all-rounder.
- and also per adminship is no big deal as long as the candidate is trustworthy. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:52, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support trustworthy candidate. Cheers, Polyamorph (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sensitive to the views presented in the opposition section (actually, I'm not really, come to think of it) but ultimately, if you believe the drivel in the oppose section, there's pretty much nobody left on Wikipedia who should be promoted to admin (much of the current admin corps, myself included). The project is heading towards being totally fucked by the lack of active administrators, the departure rate far exceeds the promotion rate and for no good reason. Ergo Sum is a fine candidate who would have sailed through RfA a few years back with a 150/5/2 'score'. There's the familiar refrain about 'experience of admin areas' but that's farcical nonsense, people treat admins and non admins massively differently, you don't truly get admin experience until you get the bit, despite what people might try to suggest. How people around you behave when you handle disputes is very different when you're an admin, being able to view deleted revisions and deleted content has a huge impact on what you say/do yourself, and of course people behave very differently when you're able to do protections, deletions and blocks for (or on) them. I don't believe you get more than a glimpse into the role of an admin until promoted via RfA, and I certainly don't believe you can gain much relevant experience prior to promotion, certainly, when it comes to the technical stuff, you absolutely cannot. And back to the project. It's increasingly fucked by the drop in admins, given that, what's the real risk in promoting someone like Ergo Sum who some seem to think might fuck up, unless they're unspeakably shit (which they won't be) they're unlikely to be a net negative and even if they do fuck up, it's not going to be anything like as problematic as what happens when we're short of admins. TL;DR - don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good... Nick (talk) 22:24, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Adminship is supposed to be no big deal. Tazerdadog (talk) 23:35, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - As indicated by most opposers, the candidate might not have much experience in admin areas where they have given an interest to work in and also future areas they might work on in the future. However, given the candidate's track record of excellcent content work, their communication skills and their attitude shows me that they can and will learn things easily as they go along learning the new ropes of an admin. Hence, I believe that overall Ergo Sum would be a net positive. TheGeneralUser (talk) 23:47, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Oppose
- Oppose Ergo Sum's content creation is truly exceptional, and I do think that admins need solid content experience. But they also need proto-admin experience. I'm afraid I don't see that in Ergo. 76% of edits are to mainspace, and a mere 2% to Wikipedia space. They have only 5 AfDs, all of which they were the nom in. I see no significant experience in the other traditional admin areas, like NPP; no edits to AIV (unless I've missed them), only 4 edits at ANI. I also see no convincing need for the tools. Making an FA does not require special rights, and it appears that Ergo already has all the user rights that could be needed for making content, such as template editor and page mover. Becoming an admin is not something you do after having been around long enough. Because of the combination of lack of experience, and lack of clear need, I regretfully oppose. If Ergo were to expand their proto-admin experience, I would likely support in 6 months to a years time, but just can't at the moment. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 01:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm sorry, but at this time I can't support, per CaptainEek. It's early in the process, so answers to the questions may sway me, but for now I'm here. Sorry. Puddleglum 2.0 01:24, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Sorry, but you fail my criteria. Foxnpichu (talk) 01:30, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- You have lots of criteria listed there -- which one in particular does Ergo Sum fail? --JBL (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- The user only has 820 edits on Wikipedia articles. I expect at least 1,000. Foxnpichu (talk) 01:57, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- You have lots of criteria listed there -- which one in particular does Ergo Sum fail? --JBL (talk) 01:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose pending the answers to questions. I have a bad feeling about his low level of experience in adminny affairs; his apparent lack of a CSD log is all the more troubling given his answer to Q1. (EDIT: Many of the supports seem to be invoking NOBIGDEAL, at least implicitly; while I don't disagree with that, if it's the only reason for me to support I'll tend to oppose.) – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 01:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, I don't find the lack of participation in AfD's too concerning, but what is concerning is the candidate's awful track in record in the discussions they did participate in, of the 5 articles they nominated 3 were kept. This is especially problematic as the nomination has drawn explicit attention to how the candidate would close AfD's. Devonian Wombat (talk) 01:38, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Not Quite Yet. This is a deeply regretted oppose as the candidate is an outstanding content editor and a huge positive for the community. But they need some experience in the behind the scenes part of the project like AfD CSD and other areas that demonstrate a good grasp of WP:PAG and maybe some anti-vandalism work. They don't need to be a jack of all trades but I need to see a bit more evidence that they are ready to be handed the tools. I'm not seeing any other red or yellow flags so maybe six months of work in adminny related fields should do the trick. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:51, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Not Quite Yet and per CaptinEek's response/opinion. Ergo Sum appears to be quite the editor, but they seem to lack much experience with administrative tools, the ANI process, AIV, etc, which shows they aren't quite ready yet. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 01:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Reluctant oppose as Not Quite Yet. With six Featured Articles in diverse subject areas Ergo Sum easily meets my content creation criteria, but has almost no track record in admin-ish areas. Six months' work at AfD, non-admin closures and vandal-reporting and Ergo Sum2 should be a shoe-in. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'm awed by and grateful for the amazing content contributions. If we had a "Senior Editor" rank, I would support promoting ES. If we had a "Best Editor" status, I would !vote in favor of bestowing it. But adminship is neither a rank nor a status. It's about giving an editor access to restricted tools. I don't think it's a good idea to give someone access to the page protection tool if they have little or no experience requesting page protection. Nor to give them the ability to delete pages if they have little or no experience with our various deletion processes. Nor to give them the power to block an editor if they have little or no experience mediating conduct disputes. These tools are restricted because they are powerful. And they're very difficult to take away once granted—it's basically a lifetime appointment. I oppose giving someone the tools who doesn't have a solid track record in the relevant areas, regardless of how wonderful their content creations are. Show me a solid track record and I’d be happy to support in the future. – Levivich 02:47, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Levivich, we do have Senior editor rank. Not one but three ranks. DBigXrayᗙ 04:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I went looking through the candidate's last three years of deleted contribs, and I found no speedy deletion tagging other than two T3s (on Template:Infobox U.S. federal court and Template:Santa Clara University Presidents) and one F8 (on File:St Stanislaus Novitate Frederick Maryland.jpg), and a whole bunch of G7/U1s. For someone planning to work in speedy deletion, that's disqualifying. —Cryptic 03:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC) Also unimpressed with how the candidate edited another user's signed comment in this very RFA to introduce a malapropism not previously there. Doesn't matter whether the aim was to subtly ridicule one of his opposers, to provide the opportunity to ridicule later opposition based on it, or he was simply blind to the fact that this is about the least wise place for him to make even a correct typo correction to someone disagreeing with him. —Cryptic 02:28, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose with no prejudice against a future RFA by this candidate. As stated in the arguments above, very good content creation record, but barely any experience in core admin areas like AfD, CSD, and AIV. I'd like to see the candidate get some experience in those core admin areas before getting the tools. Hog Farm (talk) 03:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Oppose; I'm very big on NOBIGDEAL but he would most likely cause more harm than he's worth. There is little backlog in the areas he says he would contribute too and thus he would probably cause little benefit with the toolset and make more incorrect decisions; most importantly, incorrect deletions. It often takes a while to learn the ropes of CSD and he would be better solely improving content like he has been doing marvellously. Levivich says it better than I can. J947 (c), at 07:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC)- J947,
likely cause more harm than he is worth
is incredibly harsh for a long time contributor. Feel free to oppose because of inexperience, but try to do so in a respectful manner. Ergo obviously has a stellar contribution history and has done nothing in the past to show they are likely to do "harm". « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:34, 19 January 2020 (UTC)- I was a bit harsh with that comment but I do feel like he is better off working how he has been without distractions in other areas. With the admin toolset what would most likely happen for him and the encyclopedia is less content creation and little benefit with the admin tools as there is next-to-none backlog in the areas he wants to work in. Many, many editors with much more experience in CSD and RFPP than Ergo has would fail an RfA—a lot rightly so—and those editors would probably perform better with the tools than Ergo Sum. Basically,
likely cause more harm than he is worth
means 'likely have less benefit to the encyclopedia with the tools'. J947 (c), at 21:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)- @J947: I hesitate to write this, as by no means do I want it to seem that I disagree with your right to oppose my RfA. However, I can't refrain from expressing my opinion that I don't really think the spirit of Wikipedia is to tell other editors how they should be spending their editing time. Certainly, it's fine to tell them they can't exercise advanced permissions (hence the RfA process); but, those strike me as materially different things. Ergo Sum 05:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- That is fair. On reflection I am withdrawing my oppose and will not !vote further this RfA. I feel like any further judgement I make this RfA would be either too restricting or too unrestrictive, and more importantly I do not feel comfortable doing an editor review, which is basically what this RfA has come into. I appreciate that Ergo Sum has come forward and challenged me on this; that is a quality I appreciate in prospective admins. J947 (c), at 05:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- @J947: I hesitate to write this, as by no means do I want it to seem that I disagree with your right to oppose my RfA. However, I can't refrain from expressing my opinion that I don't really think the spirit of Wikipedia is to tell other editors how they should be spending their editing time. Certainly, it's fine to tell them they can't exercise advanced permissions (hence the RfA process); but, those strike me as materially different things. Ergo Sum 05:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I was a bit harsh with that comment but I do feel like he is better off working how he has been without distractions in other areas. With the admin toolset what would most likely happen for him and the encyclopedia is less content creation and little benefit with the admin tools as there is next-to-none backlog in the areas he wants to work in. Many, many editors with much more experience in CSD and RFPP than Ergo has would fail an RfA—a lot rightly so—and those editors would probably perform better with the tools than Ergo Sum. Basically,
- Oppose, also due to not quite yet. Mostly per CaptainEek's message, they don't have a need for the tools right now. As Levivich mentioned, just because someone has good content creation, doesn't mean they should be granted tools they don't need. I'd say come back in about a year and try again! QueerFilmNerdtalk 08:24, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per CapatainEek. I am also a little bit disappointed about the lack of response to my second question; it seemed rather vague. However, I am impressed by the candidates content creation, but I can't support as they have simply dabbled in the areas they intend to work in. Cheers and good luck, Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 09:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - obviously Admins do lots of learning on the job, but I do feel that it's necessary to demonstrate at least some admin skillsets so we can see the editor gets the "rough area", which they can then spread out from. They look look in the other usual snag areas (nice person, good content), six months and some work in whatever areas interest them seems the best way to point at this time. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:44, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose the candidate has very little experience of any admin related areas. For example the answer to Q1 mentions speedy deletion. The candidate's speedy deletion experience seems to be limited to requesting speedy deletion of his/her own drafts. As such I don't have enough confidence in them to let them perform speedy deletions. The same goes for page protection and the other areas mentioned. These areas are not rocket science but there are things you need to know, you can cause damage if you don't know them, and there are plenty of people who aren't trusted with it. Writing lots of high quality content is excellent in its own right but I don't think it overcomes this. If a commercial airline pilot with no driving experience applied for a driver's licence on the grounds that flying a commercial airliner is a lot harder than driving a car then they wouldn't get one without proving they can drive safely. Hut 8.5 12:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose (regretfully) as it's too early. Get more experience in admin areas and come back and you'll smash it. GiantSnowman 13:54, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Weak oppose per a combination of Levivich and J947. Like J947, I'm a WP:NOBIGDEAL-type RfA voter these days, but unfortunately, next to no experience in admin-related areas is cause for alarm. It's a WP:NOTQUITEYET situation, and I could see myself supporting after more evidence in admin-related areas is shown; being an administrator and utilizing the administrator toolset affects Wikipedia as a whole, and is more than just creating high-quality articles (which I commend the nominee on doing though ... that's a good amount, and I'm happy that they are here as an editor.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:03, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Regretful oppose per Steel 1943 and Levivich. Although I'm more inclined to support than oppose an RfA, I think the lack of experience in the proposed work areas means that I can't support at the moment. I would be happy to support a future RfA if the candidate demonstrates experience and competence in those areas. Overall, adminship is a specific set of tools for a specific task, not an evaluation of the editor's contributions in general—which are excellent. buidhe 16:01, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Per CaptainEek, Steel 1943, and Levivich. Candidate lacks experience in admin-related areas and shows absolutely no compelling need for the admin tool kit. Kudos on the content creation, though. Keep up the great editing! Demetrius Tremens (talk) 16:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Ergo Sum has demonstrated superb content creating skills with 21 GAs and 6 FAs. This is truly impressive I hope it is something he continues doing. This content creation experience is valuable to admins and is something which leans me to support the nomination. However, the current lack of involvement in Admin-related areas like AfD (5 of which the candidate was the nom in), NPP, AIV, ANI, etc is a worry. If the candidate was to come back in 6–12 months with more experience in those areas I would be far more inclined to support. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 21:53, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I think you're a really great wikipedian, and I really like what you've done, that said I don't think you're quite there yet. I wish you the best of luck and I think you'll be a great future administrator. Flalf (talk) 22:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose The candidate has indicated that they want to work in deletion areas. Unfortunately the AfD logs shows they need to participate more in those areas. The lack of CSD and PROD log also does not inspire any confidence. AfD participation and good track record is one of the main things I look in a RfA. The candidate also indicate they would like to contribute as an admin at ANI, but the lack of experience is evident there as well. I would encourage the editor to gain relevant experience in the admin areas and reapply later.--DBigXrayᗙ 23:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose with regret. I rarely oppose at RfA, but I do expect candidates to have some basic familiarity with at least some of the areas where admin tools are used, such as article deletion, page protection, dealing wtih vandalism, etc. Ergo Sum seems like a valuable content contributor and generally admirable editor, but I am unable to support them for administrator. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. Concerns with limited administrative experience in the areas candidate wishes to work in. -FASTILY 03:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. A competent content creator but near-zero experience even in the most common admin areas. When granting powerful tools, to seek signals of competence is a no-brainer. Unfortunately, here we see that not much has been found. — kashmīrī TALK 17:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per above and because I simply don't trust this user’s judgement based on my interactions with them. I think that judgement is just as important as competence in an admin. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 18:17, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Forgive me, but I don't recall interacting with you, except just moments ago on the Federalist Society RfC that I mention in Q3. Ergo Sum 18:56, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Horse Eye Jack, I'm sorry, but that is a very, very weak oppose, without any specifics. Ergo Sum, if this RfA fails, you'll know for next time: folks who disagree with you in some matter, some content matter, will show up to oppose you as an administrator even without a decent reason. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 01:14, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Forgive me, but I don't recall interacting with you, except just moments ago on the Federalist Society RfC that I mention in Q3. Ergo Sum 18:56, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Per above. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:15, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, with regret. There's no doubt that your experience with content creation is anything but exemplary and extensive, but having a proficient amount of experience with AIV (warning and reporting users), RFPP (filing requests), and CSD (tagging articles correctly) is paramount if you wish to request access to the administrator toolset and state in your answer to Q1 that these are the very areas that you wish to start using the tools in from the very beginning. I did some searching through your contributions (from the beginning of 2015 to today), and I saw that you've made zero edits to AIV, only 5-6 edits to RFPP, and have tagged only a handful of pages (excluding pages within your user space) for CSD. You also have almost no experience in AFD when I look at your stats. While your content creation is truly amazing and to the level that many editors can learn from and look up to, someone who wishes to become a successful administrator must have experience with both "talking the talk" and "walking the walk" in the administrative areas they wish to contribute to. I need someone who not only has well-documented and demonstrable "non admin experience" working in the very areas they state that they wish to work in as an administrator, but someone who also has experience with explaining these policies and procedures to others, and who can show that they can guide misled users through those processes and assist them. While I absolutely agree that much of what you learn in handling these areas as an administrator is learned after you've become one, one should have a well-established level of demonstrable experience with these areas as a user first. Unfortunately, I don't see that this prerequisite experience exists yet. As much as I dislike opposing an RFA for what is seen as "trivial reasons", I must do so here. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 07:28, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Admin work isn't rocket science, but it does take a different skillset than writing content. Mistakes with the tools can be a "big deal" and at the moment Ergo Sum just hasn't done enough maintenance work to make a reasonable judgement of how well they'd do with them. – Joe (talk) 12:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per not quite yet. I was hoping to come to a different conclusion, because I generally do think that adminship should be no big deal. However when a candidate has little to no experience in administrative areas, even when they are an exceptional writer and an accomplished content creator, they are not ready for the tools. With some participation at XfD, some record of CSD tagging, or anything else that shows me that they can successfully apply policy, I could easily support in a few months. ST47 (talk) 16:47, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose with regret, per Oshwah and ST47. To support I would need to see some experience in the admin areas in which they wish to work.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Levivich. Gamaliel (talk) 19:00, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose with regret per the very articulate reasoning by Levivich. What I’m also really struggling to understand is why someone with an interest in adminship would seemingly have shown almost zero prior interest in CSD, AFD, AIV or RFPP. Of course everyone has different interests on Wikipedia, and I appreciate that adminship isn’t all deleting, blocking and protecting. But not even having dipped your toes in these ‘pseudo-admin’ areas before running for adminship seems odd. Hugsyrup 21:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per the many above me, specifically Ad Orientem. Nihlus 21:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. The lack of experience in administrative areas would alone make this an unsuitable request, but there are other concerns too. The candidate's statements about why they wish to become an administrator, together with answers to questions, come across somewhat as "Oh, why not have a go at being an administrator?" rather than as someone who actually has any clear view of something they wish to do which needs admin tools. Comments about what administrative tasks they would do read as though they have just picked out some tasks from the list in order to be able to give an answer, rather than as though they actual have any clear idea of what they want to achieve by becoming an administrator. Answers to some of the questions seem like parrotting back what they have just looked up in the relevant policy, rather than like any original thought on the issue. No, this is not a "reluctant oppose". We are dealing with an editor who has considerable aptitude for article writing, but who has precious little experience of administrative work, has shown no interest in it, and has so far not demonstrated aptitude for it. Doing what one does well is a good policy. JBW (talk) 21:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Regretful oppose - I truly hate to find myself on this side today as Ergo Sum is an unquestionably wonderful content creator who I think will eventually make a fantastic addition to the admin corp, but Ergo Sum's answers to my questions don't make me comfortable supporting his adminship quite yet. I asked my questions fully expecting Ergo Sum to pay attention to the nuances and give appropriate answers, but unfortunately that's not what happened. Answer 16 missed entirely that the statement was defamatory/libelous and needed to be sent to the oversight team for suppression (best practice would have been to remove it from the article [as Ergo Sum at least stated correctly], then delete the revisions, then immediately send to the oversight team for complete suppression). Answer 17 was correct inasmuch as the block was concerned, but recent unsourced BLPs do not just get tagged with {{BLP unsourced}}... any completely unsourced BLP needs to be proposed for deletion using {{Prod blp}} which forces the article to be sourced or deleted within 7 days. Taking this into consideration with the valid concerns raised by Oshwah, User:JBW, User:Ad Orientem, User:MelanieN, User:ST47, User:Levivich and many others above, I unfortunately find myself as being opposed to Ergo's adminship right now. If he comes back in 6 months time with some clear experience dealing with BLP issues, AFD, CSD, AIV,, RFPP, etc., I will be very, very glad to support. I do hope Ergo Sum does not take any of the opposes here as a reflection of his worth to our site, as his content additions to our site have been priceless. This is merely the result of him not having enough experience in matters he will have oversight of upon becoming an admin, nothing more. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 23:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- I understand what you're getting at Coffee, but I think you're being a little harsh. In the examples, Ergo Sum did not suggest anything that would have likely seen them get dragged to ANI for a telling off, and I think if you said "hey, for unsourced BLPs, we need to use BLP PROD", they would have "got it" immediately. The important part of BLP is get it out of the article; the "paperwork" side for revdel / oversight is important, but not quite as important as stopping libel appearing on the encyclopedia (since requests for oversight can take an hour upwards depending on who's looking at the mailing list). So I don't see what difference six months is going to make, and why should we deprive a stellar content contributor's work just because they've got to tick a few boxes at AIV and AfD (and then people would notice they're just "padding stats for RfA" and oppose anyway, wouldn't they?) Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 00:23, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not quite yet. While the candidate has made some excellent contributions to the community, their inexperience with administrative areas make me uncomfortable with granting them the tools. I hope to support a future RfA once the candidate has proven competency in the administrative areas. -- Dane talk 00:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – per Oshwah and Coffee. I think Ergo Sum is a great contributor to the project, but they have identified AIV, RPP, CSD as areas they would like to participate in as an administrator -- yet, as an editor have seldom done so. Great content contribution is always important (and can be done without tools!); however, countering vandalism is equally important (quite abhorrent to see some editors who have suggested otherwise) which will need an experienced administrator to use their tools to go that extra step in blocking, or performing revdels. Ergo Sum should spend more time building up a clear record of combating vandalism (revert, warn, report), considering it is the area they've nominated here. Ergo Sum I'll be more than happy to support a future RfA provided you've demonstrated this experience. —MelbourneStar☆talk 04:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, regretfully. I would really like to see some experience dealing with some of the issues administrators face to see how you would handle them. Your contributions to the encyclopedia are truly fantastic and inspiring, but the administrator's toolkit is for protecting the project, not writing content. Get some experience dealing with vandalism, BLP violations, and spam and I would be happy to support. – bradv🍁 04:55, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't see a demonstrated need for the tools and wanting to dive into all admin areas with no visible experience in any of them is a solid no in my book. Praxidicae (talk) 15:26, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ad Orientem & others Find bruce (talk) 06:31, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Lack of experience in admin areas, its just too soon to be running. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:28, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Opposes Needs much more experience with AFD, having only participated in 5, and having only a 40% success rate. This user has also only made 8 requests for page protection, and has never edited any Administrator Intervention against Vandalism pages. --PuzzledvegetableIs it teatime already? 18:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose AfD participation is insufficient given that the candidate wants to do deletion-related admin work. Lepricavark (talk) 01:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - since the candidate has said they wish to use the deletion tools specifically, I agree with several here that their lack of participation in XfD is quite the barrier to them demonstrating the competence to use the deletion tools appropriately. Combined with a lack of experience in other admin work areas, I'm going to say that it's not the right time to give them the tools. No prejudice against them running at a later date, since from what others have spoke about them here it seems they are still a good editor - they just need to gain more experience in the areas an admin is expected to be working in. Kirbanzo (userpage - talk - contribs) 02:05, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose very regretfully. I've debated this !vote for several days now. I greatly appreciate Ergo's tremendous contributions, but I would feel far more comfortable handing out the tools if there had been even a small effort to gain meaningful experience in the areas that they specifically state they wish to work in. CThomas3 (talk) 03:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Lacks AIV exposure. - Neils51 (talk) 11:39, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose (edit conflict) - Lack of anti vandalism and XfD work, and these are the key things needed for me to support a nomination. I do not see a reason why this user needs the tools at the moment. WP:NOTQUITEYET. Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 11:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose for the same reasons as the concerns raised by MelanieN, Nosebagbear, Oshwah, Fastily, JBW, and Bradv. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose lack of participation at AfD for a candidate who wants to work in the deletion area. The candidate nominated five articles for deletion in total of which three were closed as keep. Pkbwcgs (talk) 22:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose because Ergo Sum has very little administrative experience, and I feel they can continue with their excellent content creation without these tools. This person seems to be one of the most involved Wikipedians around, but this should not equal an automatic adminship. See https://xtools.wmflabs.org/adminscore/en.wikipedia.org/Ergo%20Sum for corroboration of claim of minimal admin experience. Benica11 (talk) 22:56, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose – per above, and particularly Oshwah, JBW, and Ad Orientem. The candidate clearly has an outstanding grasp of content creation, but very limited experience in administrative areas as an editor, especially in AIV and CSD. 72 (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose although I am impressed by their content creation, I feel the arguments presented by Oshwah, JBW and Ad Orientem are important to bear in mind. Pretty much not quite yet: they need to get stuck in admin areas first. Their answer to question 17 flagged to me that they did not know what {{Prod blp}} is and so don't have a full understanding of WP:BLP. This answer made me move to oppose instead of neutral, as getting biographies of living people right the first time is of utmost importance to Wikipedia.
- On further inspection after deciding on opposing, their AfD stats are not good in my books too: although I don't care too much about the number of AfDs a person has took part in, I do care about when recent AfDs they opened have been closed as keep (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Portland Black Panthers: Empowering Albina and Remaking a City (all !votes keep, bar one weak keep) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tequila Party (all !votes keep)) which both show flaws in this users understanding of notability. The first one was a misread of a notability guideline, with issues of this user prodding when it had already been prodded and contested twice before and seemingly a lack of WP:BEFORE. Second one was failure to understand that notability is not temporary. Therefore, I can only oppose. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 15:02, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose WP:NOTQUITEYET applies here. They don't have experience in admin areas. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 19:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose reluctantly - content creation is on point so all they needed was to show a basic understanding of other areas: AfD record is poor; only 342 User talk edits indicates low experience with direct editor interaction; No WP:AIV or WP:UAA edits; Only 8 WP:RPP edits; Very low approve & patrol; No indiction of experience of dealing with vandalism. A quick look through the 124 Wikipedia:Help desk edits (most in any WP area), most appear to be asking for help, so little experice giving help/guidlence. I just wish they had been advised to spend a few months being a bit more involved with other areas before applying then they would probably be flying thought with a high 90s support rate. If they don't get through certainly would advise to just get a few months of non content creation experience and re-apply KylieTastic (talk) 20:37, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Per above. Too soon for this candidate, not enough experience in admin related areas. Perhaps in 6 to 12 months this candidate could be ready, if they spend time on WP:ANI and focus in other admin areas they intend to work in.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 02:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Neutral
This is basically a 'moral support'. I think there are valid reasons to oppose, but don't want to pile on against a solid content creator. The candidate can certainly follow the advice to do more admin-related work and then come back in 6-12 months, but they shouldn't necessarily change their editing habits unless they really want to be an admin. After all, they are already doing valuable work. Lepricavark (talk) 03:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)moved to oppose
Neutral.There are people I respect on both sides of this right now even at this nomination's early stages. I don't feel comfortable supporting per CaptainEek and Levivich, but I don't feel comfortable opposing per the points raised by Newslinger and OhKayeSierra. All raise pretty compelling points if you ask me.
I think that this RFA will honestly be the best litmus test for how Ergo Sum operates under pressure, so if I see a stellar response to folks' concerns then I might re-evaluate the candidate if they handle the intensity well. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 04:51, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral. I did advise the candidate some months ago that their lack of experience in proto-admin areas would count against them in an RFA and another editor gave them similar advice: that they needed to up their involvement in such areas. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that they've fully taken that advice onboard and the opposes which I predicted may mean it's a no this time. I can only repeat my advice to the candidate to work more in such areas and, should this be successful, apply again late this year. Valenciano (talk) 09:58, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- I do appreciate your advice, Valenciano. I just thought some of my editing philosophy that I shared above might land better than it seems to have. Ergo Sum 15:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral I've thought this over, and unusually for me I am landing here. It is certainly possible to learn on the job, and the candidate looks to have an appropriately cautious approach. (I recall when I successfully ran for adminship, I had no experience whatsoever with speedy deletion, yet that's where I've ended up working these days.) However I am concerned at the lack of participation in AfD, and especially nominations such as The Portland Black Panthers: Empowering Albina and Remaking a City, Tequila Party & Homeless dumping, where the subjects meet the appropriate notability threshold. I'm also concerned that, though the content contributions are very strong, they fall within a rather limited subject area. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:01, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- I appreciate your concerns. With most of those articles, I nominated them knowing that they were on the fence (in my view). I haven't had much interest in nominating articles that are clear keeps or deletes. I am generally an inclusionist, although definitely not all the time; but, I think the CSD rules may not have contemplated every possible article (understandably so). Therefore, when I find an article that seems to be on the fence with CSD criteria but might be one of those unaccounted-for scenarios, I will nominate it. Ergo Sum 18:49, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral can't support a candidate wishing to work in areas where they have not demonstrated experience, but I don't find any reason to oppose. – Teratix ₵ 01:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
I'm going to comment here for now. I think Ergo Sum is an excellent editor - his FAs and GAs truly are enjoyable to read and I've supported several of these nominations. I also have found him to be calm during discussions. However, I don't really see too much involvement in admin areas. I don't believe in NOBIGDEAL, as it actually is a very big deal to have admin tools. So I guess this is a "moral support". This is not to say anything negative about Ergo Sum - in fact, I really respect his contributions and think highly of his writing - but I need to think about this a little more. epicgenius (talk) 06:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)Moved to support. epicgenius (talk) 15:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)- Neutral. For me it is not the content per se or the thousands of quasi-admin actions per se, it is temperament and judgment. Having looked through the candidate's history, they have the temperament (this is a good recent example), plus my understanding is that if you have poor temperament at FA-GA you will "light up", which is not the case here. The issue is how to assess judgment, for which I would normally rely on a history of AfDs/CSDs etc. I spend time at AfD and have seen FA-GA focused editors misfire badly at times because they implicitly ask whether an article could become an FA-GA article, instead of applying WP's labyrinthine notability criteria (which can produce very different answers), so I am sympathetic to this candidate's AFD record. I also think that if the candidate had clarified at the outset, that their admin focus would be on the tools that related to the upkeep of WP:TFA and WP:FAC (and had not mentioned CSDing), this would have been a surer pass. The question is how does a non-FA-GA editor (my bad) assess judgment for this case, outside of relying on the views of others (which I may simply have to do)? Britishfinance (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Moving to support - I have seen enough now to be happy that this candidate has good judgment. Britishfinance (talk) 11:53, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral - I am somewhat concerned about the candidate's apparent lack of experience in the administrative areas listed in Q1, but not strongly enough to outright oppose this candidacy as I firmly believe that people can learn how to do new things. If this RfA passes, I hope the candidate exercises extra caution when beginning to work in RfPP, AIV, and especially CSD. EclipseDude (Chase Totality) 22:30, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral - After skimming through this page, I was leaning support per NOBIGDEAL and Ergo Sum's impressive content work. Now that I'm starting to do my typical research, I'm finding some cause for concern. Putting myself in neutral for now, since none of these are, by themselves, disqualifiers, and Ergo Sum might have a good response:
- editing the social justice warrior article to include a citation written by this guy in Thought Catalog (see WP or the only RSN thread of substance) about how "Social Justice Warriors Are Creating An Entire Generation Of Fascists"
- at Barack Obama conspiracy theories, arguing that conspiracy theories shouldn't be called "false" if they're religious (led to this ANI thread, which isn't terribly consequential except insofar as Johnuniq's summary at the end is concerning)
- at the Catholic Church article, arguing to remove criticisms from the lead (which I only really took notice of after seeing that religious conspiracy theories shouldn't be described as false)
- @Rhododendrites: Thanks for bringing those up. The memory (mine) is of finite capacity.
- As for the Thought Catalog edit. I plead a partial mea culpa on that. At the time I made the edit, Thought Catalog was considered a RS. I didn't know who that author was until you just linked to his article. I didn't think linking to a source with a POV (but still RS) was all that big a deal since the statement it was supporting was POV (i.e. a characterization of the article's subject as comporting with one ideology or another). After all, the subject of that entire article is a POV. In order to substantiate a POV, you generally need to cite to a POV article (e.g. op-ed). Ergo Sum 05:02, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- As far as the Obama instance was concerned, it seems the point I was trying to make was not appreciated by the other editors. Upon reflection, one can conclude that was a failure on my part to make my point clear. My point was not that conspiracy theories (theories about physical events) shouldn't be called false, but that theories that make a metaphysical claim (religious or otherwise) can't be called true or false in the voice of Wikipedia because they logically cannot be proven true or false. No matter how confident a RS is that a metaphysical claim is true or false, that's still an opinion on a non-truth-apt statement. The particular claim in question in that discussion was that some religious sects claimed that Obama was the anti-Christ. I don't know how one would go about proving this as true or false without resorting to internal reasoning of what it means to be an anti-Christ. That sort of internal reasoning is not something that Wikipedia does. We don't say, yes according to the theology of X religion, person Y is indeed the anti-Christ. I appreciate that this may seem a bit too philosophical for many, including the editors there, but I stand by it. By no means is my view fringe in philosophical (and much less theological) circles, even if it may not have been contemplated by the WP policy on fringe theories; on the contrary, it would be quite mainstream among epistemology faculties. As I say above, one cannot expect WP policies to contemplate ex ante every possible scenario. Nor is it a minor point; stating something as true or false in the voice of Wikipedia is very different than saying one religious sect has said X and most others have said not X. Ergo Sum 04:51, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- For the third one, frankly, I don't see an issue there with my conduct. I made an argument about recentism, which I think was pretty reasonable. Some other editors disagreed. That's the nature of content discussions on WP. People are bound to have civil disagreements over content. Ergo Sum 05:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Having read the above, I am going to move from Neutral to Support. Yes, I didn't agree with all of Ergo Sum's positions (esp. Catholic Church), however, they were dispassionately advocated, in a logical manner (clearly, this candidate has a sharp mind), and some of which were countered by more emotive opposition. Britishfinance (talk) 11:50, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Mainly wanted to follow up here to say thanks for taking the time to write up this reply. These are generally reasonable responses. I still find myself in the neutral camp, but it looks like this is going to pass regardless, and that's probably for the best. Thanks for throwing your hat in. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:37, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- For the third one, frankly, I don't see an issue there with my conduct. I made an argument about recentism, which I think was pretty reasonable. Some other editors disagreed. That's the nature of content discussions on WP. People are bound to have civil disagreements over content. Ergo Sum 05:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral - I looked through the Xtools before reading the comments. My first concern was the AfD stats. Ergo Sum's content creation is wonderful and applaudable. I would be more comfortable "giving the mop" if Ergo Sum had more experience on the "maintenance side" of Wikipedia and demonstration of good judgement there. Should Ergo Sum become an admin, I would not be overly concerned, but I am not quite comfortable and vote support if I saw more work in admin-type areas. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral Seems to be unaware of the importance of AfD etc. Collect (talk) 01:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral, not sure why candidate actually needs a mop, will benefit from more work in adminny areas when a "support" will then be a given. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:42, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral. I can't bring myself to oppose, but I'm concerned by the answer to Q3. Ergo Sum states that they used WP:BRD in a disupte, but the page history reveals that after their edit was reverted, they restored it before taking it to discussion. This demonstrates a lack of understanding of the BRD method. I'd like to see more evidence of dispute resolution, and also keeping cool under pressure, before I can support. — O Still Small Voice of Clam 19:17, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Neutral. While I agree that there's a strange lack of any relevant experience in deletion and other admin-ish areas, I am also impressed by the content contributions. While I see no evidence that the candidate would willfully abuse the tools, I think that accidental misuse of them is likely. I'd be happy to support at a later date, after establishment of some CSD and XfD track record (by which I mean reasoning we can look at, not easily manipulable stats), or perhaps even better yet, a lot of WP:NAC work. Just 6 months to a year of demonstrating ability to apply policy properly and assess consensus within policy. On the other hand, I won't be alarmed if the candidate passes; I assume the good faith that "on-the-job training" wouldn't turn out poorly in the long run even after some probable early errors. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)Moving to support. 04:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral - On the one hand, I think that being an "excellent content creator", on which there is agreement that this candidate is, is an overrated qualification for administrators. I have read the concerns of some of the Oppose editors that this candidate has too little admin-like experience. On the other hand, I am not sure whether this candidate has enough admin-like experience. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:45, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
General comments
- I am aware that TRM was a former admin. But I have never seen a non-admin RfA nomination. Is this a rare sight? ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 00:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not at all. I am not an admin, and I lost track of how many succesful RFA candidates I nominated. Trust is what we are measuring. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's rare only insomuch as RfAs are rare in general these days. It used to — and should still — happen more often. The rarity also probably involves some "permission" creep among nominators. Likewise with single- or self-nomination RfAs; the process is rare, so it probably creeps towards having more. Not ideal. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)]
- TRM is also a former ARB. I think in good standing is whats important, and he is certainly that. Ceoil (talk) 09:41, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- A recent-ish RfA Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Greenman had Lefcentreright as
a co-nom.the nominator. Since he's active in articles relating to South Africa and was familiar with Greenman's contributions, I'd say that's a good thing. That particular RfA didn't pass but I think that a nom/co-nom being familiar with the candidate counts for something, especially if I'm not familiar with the candidate myself. Clovermoss (talk) 15:48, 19 January 2020 (UTC)- Just to be clear, I've never been an Arb (I ran twice and bought something like 750 pizzas) but I did used to be an admin and I did used to be a 'crat. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 00:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- A recent-ish RfA Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Greenman had Lefcentreright as
- TRM is also a former ARB. I think in good standing is whats important, and he is certainly that. Ceoil (talk) 09:41, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's rare only insomuch as RfAs are rare in general these days. It used to — and should still — happen more often. The rarity also probably involves some "permission" creep among nominators. Likewise with single- or self-nomination RfAs; the process is rare, so it probably creeps towards having more. Not ideal. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)]
- I'm a non-admin, and I've nominated two candidates, both who had their RFAs succeed (here and here). (Granted, I was a co-nominator on both, and both happened over 5 years ago, but still...) Steel1943 (talk) 04:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- I was nominated by a non admin - me. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not at all. I am not an admin, and I lost track of how many succesful RFA candidates I nominated. Trust is what we are measuring. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Just a question, not saying anyone should, but why pd everyone fine with GregJackP supporting with his criteria but when he opposes with those same criteria, he gets jumped on? Puddleglum 2.0 15:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- That's simple. They know that the project desperately needs content creators in control, but they think that my criteria is too stringent. So the more mature among them will support my right to set my own criteria, and will jump to support when I support, but will exercise their own judgment when I oppose. And the less mature oppose my position all the time, whether they are aware of my thoughts on administrator age or not. GregJackP Boomer! 18:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not to badger ( ;) ) but almost certainly the explanation is much simpler, and has nothing to do with you: if an AfD is passing 100-3, even if only 5% of AfD voters are inclined to argue with "the other side" then the opposers are still going to get about 2 comments pushing back each; and of course if they respond then there's active discussion, which draws more eyes. --JBL (talk) 19:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- There's nothing stringent about your criteria (rather, criterion); they're lenient to a fault. Write one FA and you're in. I respect your right to enforce your own standards, especially as they so rarely influence the end result, but you should be aware that many of us oppose single-issue voting in general because it's usually not thorough enough. I'd hold in much higher regard a requirement like "five career FAs" or "recognized content promoted in the last three months." Getting one FA star is trivially easy and frankly says nothing about an editor's skill. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- You may want to re-read my essay, which states that before I evaluate the candidate on other issues, they have to make it through the content creator gateway. You still need more to be an admin, but most people don't have what I consider to be the minimum requirements.
- Also, while you may think that it is "trivially easy" to put a star on an article, only 0.1% of the articles have that star. GregJackP Boomer! 22:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- I don't normally respond to GregJackP's !votes, and really wish everyone else would follow my lead. Don't want to get opposed by Greg at RfA? Get two articles passed through GA! Simples. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333:, if I may redirect Clausewitz... Nosebagbear (talk) 15:38, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks all for the answer; I did not intend to imply anything negative about Greg's criterion, just wondering. ☺ Puddleglum 2.0 18:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Ritchie333:, if I may redirect Clausewitz... Nosebagbear (talk) 15:38, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I don't normally respond to GregJackP's !votes, and really wish everyone else would follow my lead. Don't want to get opposed by Greg at RfA? Get two articles passed through GA! Simples. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- That's simple. They know that the project desperately needs content creators in control, but they think that my criteria is too stringent. So the more mature among them will support my right to set my own criteria, and will jump to support when I support, but will exercise their own judgment when I oppose. And the less mature oppose my position all the time, whether they are aware of my thoughts on administrator age or not. GregJackP Boomer! 18:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah - normally, I don't think hanging around admin-y places is necessarily a good quality, and I'd normally be really trusting with content-creator types and deletion, but someone who lists speedy deletion as their first intention, and has only participated in AfD to nominate 5 articles for deletion, three of which were kept (and one closed as redirect, but looking, was actually a merge). That seems like pretty clear evidence of bad judgement on these issues. WilyD 08:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've already registered my support above, I just want to express my surprise that at a time when we need more high-calibre admins there is such a determined little cadre of opposes trying to keep the tools away from this candidate, who has a clear understanding of what this encyclopedia is all about, is cautious in areas with which he's not familiar, and is very obviously sober, trustworthy, and would never abuse any privileges. – Athaenara ✉ 13:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Athaenara, I resent being described as part of a "determined little cadre of opposes". We all have our standards for what we want to see in an administrator; I have mine. One of my main criteria - right up there with temperament - is that the candidate should show at least some familiarity with the uses of at least some of the tools they are asking us to give them. I don’t think that is an unreasonable expectation. And it is shared by several dozen other people here. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Some RfA !voters evaluate the editor as a person (e.g., "high caliber", "sober", "trustworthy", "net positive", etc.), other RfA !voters evaluate the editor's skills or experience (e.g., experience with deletion, requests for page protection, responding to vandalism, etc.). These are simply two different philosophies to what adminship is or should be. Some say, "They're a trustworthy editor, therefore let them have the delete button". Other says, "They know what they're doing with deletions, therefore let them have the delete button." Everyone who subscribes to one of these two philosophies thinks that their philosophy is better than the other – that's why they subscribe to it. – Levivich 15:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- There are certainly good grounds to support Ergo Sum, which is why at least half of the opposes are reluctant, weak, or would like Ergo to run again in the near future: nobody thinks he would abuse any privileges. But 2 dozen is not a "little cadre". @Levivich: has a good point on the differing ideologies, but I think they'd be better viewed as priorities. Even ruling out extreme cases for either side, the "skills/experience" advocates in particular would always view significant trust is needed, it's just that that particular facet of the candidate isn't in doubt. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:44, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Nosebagbear, I see them as layers. Some think that good character is enough (without relevant experience); others want good character plus relevant experience. And of course, how much relevant experience is needed varies, too. – Levivich 15:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- There are actually three groups here: don't forget the content-creation folks. Some commenters think good character is enough; some want good character plus relevant experience; and some want good character plus content creation. Most of the really good candidates exhibit all three qualities to some degree, and such candidates tend to pass with almost universal support. What is unique about Ergo Sum's nomination is that it is an extreme case, a "good character plus content creation" only candidate. I have seen candidates pass as extreme cases of "character plus experience" with very little content work; if this nomination is approved, as seems likely, it will pass as an extreme case of "character plus content" with almost no relevant experience. In any case, I do think it is important that we all respect each other's right to have our own criteria. (In particular, can we please stop arguing with User:GregJackP every time he trots out his own version of "content creation first"?) -- MelanieN (talk) 16:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not at all an extreme case of "character plus content"; we used to see it all the time. Unfortunately, I can't even remember all the content people I nominated for adminship, but here is a sample: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Laser brain. And Laser is doing just fine today, no controversy, because we judged on character first, having worked in an environment (FAC) where humility and willingness to learn are essential as others pick your work apart. Those admins who have never engaged content creation disputes are the ones who worry me when I see frequent suggestions of topic bans at ANI for content disputes. We need more who have BTDT. For example, I had a content dispute with Ergo Sum on a FAC, and got to observe how they handled it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:21, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I found more of my noms by checking WP:100: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Dabomb87, Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Jbmurray, Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GrahamColm, Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Laser brain, Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Moni3, and Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Steve. There are others, but those are content contributors who garnered more than 100. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not at all an extreme case of "character plus content"; we used to see it all the time. Unfortunately, I can't even remember all the content people I nominated for adminship, but here is a sample: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Laser brain. And Laser is doing just fine today, no controversy, because we judged on character first, having worked in an environment (FAC) where humility and willingness to learn are essential as others pick your work apart. Those admins who have never engaged content creation disputes are the ones who worry me when I see frequent suggestions of topic bans at ANI for content disputes. We need more who have BTDT. For example, I had a content dispute with Ergo Sum on a FAC, and got to observe how they handled it. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:21, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- There are actually three groups here: don't forget the content-creation folks. Some commenters think good character is enough; some want good character plus relevant experience; and some want good character plus content creation. Most of the really good candidates exhibit all three qualities to some degree, and such candidates tend to pass with almost universal support. What is unique about Ergo Sum's nomination is that it is an extreme case, a "good character plus content creation" only candidate. I have seen candidates pass as extreme cases of "character plus experience" with very little content work; if this nomination is approved, as seems likely, it will pass as an extreme case of "character plus content" with almost no relevant experience. In any case, I do think it is important that we all respect each other's right to have our own criteria. (In particular, can we please stop arguing with User:GregJackP every time he trots out his own version of "content creation first"?) -- MelanieN (talk) 16:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Nosebagbear, I see them as layers. Some think that good character is enough (without relevant experience); others want good character plus relevant experience. And of course, how much relevant experience is needed varies, too. – Levivich 15:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Kashmiri's oppose is verging (if not actually) a personal attack: to seek signals of competence is a no-brainer. Unfortunately, here we see that not much has been found
"Not much competence has been found" in this candidate, eh? Needs retracting or rewording, assuming it's just a misuse of language. ——SN54129 17:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I think they were saying they had looked for "signals of competence", referring to competence in admin areas specifically. i.e. evidence that the candidate understands the duties and responsibilities of adminship. Those "signals" were not found, because Ergo Sum doesn't have a lot of experience in the traditional admin domains. Perhaps it could be phrased better, but I think it's the same sort of thing that other opposes are saying and not a personal attack as such. Thanks — Amakuru (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you. In which case their own competence could be called equally into question for failing to make a rather basic point clear. Still, I'm sure it's water under the bridge. ——SN54129 19:21, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks Amakuru, agree that I wasn't terribly clear, but I had no bad faith and you got my intention right. Competently — kashmīrī TALK 20:25, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Just for clarification, since the nature of many of the opposes has been discussed, mine may be understood as a weak oppose. I think Ergo Sum is an outstanding editor. My only concern is their lack of hands on experience in almost any adminny areas. That said, I was seriously tempted to vote for them purely on the basis of their use of Latin in their user-name. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:04, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Regret? How does oppose with regret stack up with consensus evaluation? I understand weak or strong support or oppose. Is a regret vote mean I don't like you but I'm sorry? Do crats read regret votes a half oppose? I do not see any regret support votes. Does regret mean come back later and run again? Why not clearly vote for or against a candidate. Maybe its just a way to express an opinion but not really. People are going to do what they want but I just wonder why regret keeps popping up in opposition votes.Eschoryii (talk) 15:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's not a pleasant thing, to oppose a good-faith volunteer's request for additional permissions; regret (v)
used in polite formulas to express apology for or sadness over something unfortunate or unpleasant.
–xenotalk 16:07, 21 January 2020 (UTC) - As in, "I'm sorry but I oppose your candidacy." – Levivich 17:33, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's not a pleasant thing, to oppose a good-faith volunteer's request for additional permissions; regret (v)
- Xeno hits the nail on the head; opposing a good faith RfA is not something one feels good about. Sometimes it must be done, but it's something that most editors feel bad about. Telling someone they're not ready yet, and explicitly pointing out their failures, is a harsh thing to do, and something I, nor anyone I know, enjoys doing. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 23:44, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- My first time ever making any post at all at an RfA, because I feel I have not been experienced enough to. This is prompted by the use of the "Adminscore" above by Benica11 at O51. It seems my score (yep, I do realise this is just a very rough indicator) is higher than the current nominee, yet there is no way I would feel ready to be an admin? Aoziwe (talk) 12:06, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- PS I think this says more about the admin score than the experience of the nominee, who clearly has much more content work than I do. Aoziwe (talk) 12:13, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Aoziwe you're probably right when you comment about admin score. I just needed an easy way to prove that the user has taken administrative actions tens of times when some of us would think that number should be in the hundreds
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Wugapodes
Final (158/1/2); Closed as successful by Maxim(talk) at 05:09, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Nomination
Wugapodes (talk · contribs) – fellow editors, it is a pleasure to present Wugapodes as a candidate for adminship. Wugapodes has been since 2015. He has done excellent content work on several articles related to linguistics, such as Black American Sign Language, which is now a featured article: he has one other FA and three GAs. He has also found the time to do some useful maintenance work at DYK, partly through the use of his bot account. He has also performed some careful GA reviews, as may be seen at Talk:Herman Melville/GA1. Don't let his edit-count fool you; Wugapodes is an efficient editor, having taken only 59 edits to go from draft to FA on the article I highlight above. Finally, the comments he has made on talk pages and (occasionally) at admin noticeboards demonstrate precisely the temperament we should look for in admins; civil, clueful, and firm in his convictions, while willing to listen to those who may disagree with him. Having seen him become steadily active some months ago, I suggested he request a mop, and I hope you will join me in supporting him. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Co-nomination by Xeno
I initially asked Wugapodes to run as a non-administrator candidate in the most recent arbitration committee elections, as they have shown themselves to be soundly in touch with the project's goals and ideals through their contributions to policy/guideline, dispute resolution, and other community discussions. Well their name didn't go on the ballot, and this RfA is the consolation. While evaluating Wugapodes' non-project space work, I was impressed with the depth of their contributions, and surprised to see over 40% of their edits occurred in the mainspace. I have no doubt that Wugapodes will be a highly effective administrator both in the article space and the project spaces. I know it's somewhat of a cliché, but I don't feel offside in saying that Wugapodes is already an administrator, we simply need to flip on the switch so they can access the extra buttons. Since we need more adminapodes let's add a Wug to the mix. –xenotalk 00:51, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: I would work in the areas I already take part in, but with some extra buttons I could fulfill a few more tasks. I close requested moves every so often, and being able to move protected pages or move over history would simplify that work. I comment at redirects for discussion somewhat regularly and being able to delete pages would mean I could close more discussions. The people who build and promote hooks at did you know are much more skilled than me, but I could serve as the B-team when some of the regulars take a break.Some of the more niche privileges would also be useful to me. I maintain WugBot and the Capricorn user script. If the community were to need a bot to perform tasks involving editing the main page or full protected pages, I would need to have +sysop rights to volunteer WugBot for the job, and if I ever wanted to help maintain gadgets or convert Capricorn into one, I would need +sysop to request the interface administrator user group. I do outreach work as WugapodesOutreach and being able to grant other facilitators event coordinator rights, or place my own geonotices would help with those events. It would also be helpful as I go about my usual editing. Every so often I run into copyvios, and it would be faster to delete the revisions myself. Sometimes users make good article review pages by accident that need deleted, and it would be easier for me to delete them when I see them. I try to lend a hand where I can, and I would use the admin tools to help where I currently cannot.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: I've been working on Phonetics as a longer term project starting about a year ago, and though it's not recognized like some of my other writings, I think it's some of my best. It's a vital article on a technical topic. Whereas some of my more polished and recognized contributions like Electromagnetic articulography or Heffernan v. City of Paterson are useful overviews and summaries of the topic, phonetics is becoming a good reference work. I find myself going back to it to look up theoretical information and relevant references, and sometimes point my students and colleagues to it when relevant. It's a nice change of pace in that regard; a lot of my other contributions are end points while phonetics is a starting point for learning more information. It's nice to see that Phonetics is broadly useful, and I think that makes it my best contribution whether or not it's featured content.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: There's no secret strategy to dealing with conflict in cyber space. Just like in meat space I deal with people as people; the only difference is that it's actually easier to take my time and calm down before responding. My general strategy to deal with conflict and stress is to be be boring. If I find that my editing gets me agitated or that I'm focused on winning, usually that's a sign that I'm doing something wrong and need to step back and reevaluate. No one's perfect, and sometimes dealing with conflict just means apologizing. After I made a rather abrasive comment on a village pump proposal an editor made, I left this apology on their talk page. I remained firm in my convictions, but also tried to depersonalize my disagreement.
You may ask optional questions below. There is a limit of two questions per editor. Multi-part questions disguised as one question, with the intention of evading the limit, are disallowed. Follow-up questions relevant to questions you have already asked are allowed.
- Additional question from John M Wolfson
- 4. An editor creates an article on an elementary school that entirely comprises material copied and pasted from that school's website. What criterion for speedy deletion applies, and in particular which criterion/a do(es) not apply?
- A: G12 would apply unless the school's website specifically states the material is released under a compatible license. Most other G# criteria would not apply, and even for the niche cases (the author is a sock, it had previously been deleted by discussion) the main issue is the copyright situation. A7 seems like it would apply, but it does not; that CSD specifically states it does not apply to schools. Since it's copied from a website, it could not have been made by the content translation tool, so X2 would not apply. The other criteria would not apply since I'm assuming "article" means a page in mainspace, and they only apply to pages outside of mainspace. — Wug·a·po·des 04:31, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional questions from Amorymeltzer
- 5. You've not expressed an interest in CSD or XfD work, which seems to jive with your current level of activity in those areas. That's totally fine! You do also say
Sometimes users make good article review pages by accident that need deleted, and it would be easier for me to delete them when I see them
. I'm not sure how common that is, but it sounds like you're saying it's a WP:G6. Could you explain how/when G6 should be used and when it shouldn't? ~ Amory (u • t • c) 11:00, 18 January 2020 (UTC)- A: GA review pages created in error aren't very common, but they happen. Usually it would fall under G7 because the editor who created the page realizes first and asks, but G6 could apply if it's an obvious error like the nominator creates the review page. To your actual question, G6 is for uncontroversial maintenance tasks. It's meant to prevent XfD from getting flooded with "I need to do X but Y is preventing me, so delete Y" nominations. It should almost never be used on pages with viable content (temporary deletion to fix copy-paste moves being an important exception), and it should not be used if the deletion could reasonably be expected to get pushback. G6 isn't carte blanche to boldly delete pages; the deleted page should have been preventing improvement of the project. Empty maintenance categories from the past clutter tracking categories, making it more difficult to identify what work still needs to be done. Pages with little to no content which block a page move delay renames. Pages created in error would clutter the project with useless pages making it harder to find pages we do care about. These are all situations where unnecessary pages are preventing editors from doing their work effectively, and G6 allows administrators to mop them up. — Wug·a·po·des 19:44, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- 6. You have also expressed an interest in revision deletion as pertains to copyright. Could you expand a bit about how you would use revision deletion in general, and when it would be preferred over G12? ~ Amory (u • t • c) 11:00, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- A: In general I would probably be rather conservative with revision deletion with the notable exception of potentially oversightable material; the revdel policy rightly gives a lot of leeway for sysops to protect private information and that's likely the only situation where I wouldn't hesitate. As for revdel vs. G12, I would prefer G12 in cases where there's no non-infringing content to be recovered. If there is some text which does not infringe copyright, I would prefer to first remove the infringing material to create a suitable text and then delete the revisions in which the infringing copyright was present, keeping the usernames in history to provide the needed attribution. — Wug·a·po·des 19:44, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from Espresso Addict
- 7. I see you've created a few 'microstubs' eg David Lightfoot (linguist), David M. Perlmutter and (an older example) Bridget Harris. Would you care to comment on this practice, in the light of the admin toolset including the autoreviewed flag? Espresso Addict (talk) 18:27, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- A: Stubs are an important way to help the encyclopedia grow especially now that non-autoconfirmed users cannot create pages. Taken to its extremes though, it creates a problem where the encyclopedia has a great breadth but shallow depth of topics (see User:Danny/What next for a good reflection on this). When I create a stub, usually it's because I believe the subject is unambiguously notable and I have plans to come back to it and improve it. Professors Lightfoot and Perlmutter both served as Presidents of the Linguistic Society of America so they are notable under WP:NACADEMICS criterion 6. Both of them are part of my long-term plan to improve coverage of linguists prior to the Linguistic Society's 2024 centennial (See User:Wugapodes/LSA Centennial). I actually forgot I had created the Bridget Harris article, but Speaker Harris is notable under WP:NPOL having been elected to national office and serving as speaker of their legislative body. In light of the toolset including autreviewed, I don't believe the occasional stub will be a problem. I'm already on the New pages patrol/Redirect whitelist which covers the bulk of my page creations (I make way more redirects than stubs), and when I do create articles, I tend to tag and categorize the pages myself, so the lack of patroller eyes shouldn't impact the placement of them into maintenance categories. — Wug·a·po·des 20:10, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from Puddleglum2.0
- 8. Thank you for standing. How do you respond to the first oppose? Have you edited under previous accounts? Thank you.
- A: In 2011 I was about 15 years old, and I made my first account Cbrick77 (talk · contribs). I largely abandoned that account before the end of the year, with some sporadic edits in 2012. I did not enjoy that year on Wikipedia, and I considered vanishing and abandoning the project forever, but in 2013 I decided to simply blank the account and scramble my password. A few years later while halfway through my undergraduate degree, I wanted to improve the encyclopedia's coverage of linguistics topics. I began this account, and in August 2015 notified functionaries-enlists.wikimedia.org of the association between the two accounts. With maturity, my experience on Wikipedia has been better, and I'm glad I decided not to give up on the project after my bad first experience. With regards to the first oppose, it is an example of the kind of conduct that made my first experience with Wikipedia unpleasant. Being young and not understanding the importance of online privacy, I revealed a lot of personal information about myself on my then userpage (partly because I didn't understand WP:NOTWEBHOST). Similarly, I was too ambitious for my own good and ventured into WP:ARBCOM not realizing how toxic of an environment it could be. On the basis of WP:DUCK, an editor accused me of sock puppetry resulting in a day of haranguing at ANI before a checkuser showed that I was unrelated to the accounts in question. It was an upsetting experience to say the least, but it shaped my current editing philosophy of being unfailingly kind to newcomers and assuming good faith wherever possible. So to finally answer how I respond to the first oppose: it shouldn't be strange that someone read the fucking manual. Nearly every single article talk page links to a WikiProject, and that a reader or new editor could find their way there and join shouldn't be strange. If anything, getting more traffic to WikiProjects could be a good thing for editor recruitment and retention. Even templates aren't that strange considering that WP:V and WP:RS talk about templates a good deal, and Help:Templates documents them and their syntax very well (with links to further guidance). That is in fact how I learned template syntax; my previous account never edited in the template namespace, and my early template editing wasn't even that good considering my second talk page message. Such behavior is in character for me; a month ago I didn't know PHP, but through reading documentation and tinkering, I've learned niche aspects of MediaWiki development like mw:Mustache templates (see gerrit:563326). This isn't evidence that I've used HTML templates before, just that I know enough to read the documentation pages. We should encourage editors to read documentation, learn, and try new things, not assume their curiosity is a sign of ill intent. Since this has turned into a mini essay, for those interested further, I would recommend reading one of the last pages I edited under the previous account: Wikipedia:Don't be quick to assume that someone is a sockpuppet. For an essay on the effects of being quick to assume bad faith, see meatball:DefendAgainstParanoia. For the sake of completeness, I've edited as an IP as well. — Wug·a·po·des 21:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC),
- @Wugapodes: Thanks for the well thought out answer! This has strengthened my support a lot! Puddleglum 2.0 04:03, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from User:WilliamJE
- 9.Did you read WP:CLEANSTART, particularly its section of requests for adminship, before this RFA began and if so can you please tell us why you didn't follow the recommendation that prior accounts be revealed?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Clean start#Requests for adminship says candidates are not obliged to publicly disclose previous accounts, so I didn't. I disagree with the recommendation you reference because it defeats the purpose of a clean start policy and places a burden that we don't even require of functionaries. People abandon previous accounts for a variety of reasons such as harassment or protection of privacy, and weak protections for clean start editors mean those editors need to choose between outing themselves or deceiving the community. Even candidates for the arbitration committee are not required to publicly disclose their accounts; as long as they notify the arbitration committee of the accounts, they are not required to publicly disclose them. I don't believe a more stringent requirement needs to exist for administrators, and since clean start is clear that I was under no obligation to follow a recommendation I didn't agree with, I didn't follow it. With 5 years of edit history for the community to evaluate, I don't see how an abandoned account from my childhood would provide much clarity on my current patterns of behavior. For those who believe it may, see my answer to Q8. — Wug·a·po·des 01:45, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Discussion
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Support
- Support quality candidate. SportingFlyer T·C 03:42, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support second support. Insert cliche surprised they're not an admin already here. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 03:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support although technically the singular of his username should be "Wugapus". :P – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Wugapodes is a terrific dedicated Wikipedian and will make a wonderful administrator. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 04:02, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- A well qualified individual who it is a pleasure to support. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Yet another candidate who I thought was already an admin. An accomplished behind the scene editor, as well as a prolific content creator, with not one but two Four Awards! And they have a pigeon on their userpage so its a homerun :P CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:08, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, yet another candidate who I thought was already an admin. We are certainly lucky to have had such wonderful candidates lately. Wugapodes is exceptionally insightful and courteous in their dealings with other users, which is probably one of the most important factors to consider for admin candidates. OhKayeSierra (talk) 04:18, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - when it rains it pours excellent admin prospects!! Atsme Talk 📧 04:26, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose; (edit conflict × 2) 4im warning just 3 days ago. Also evidently their only goal on Wikipedia is to become an admin since they noted that fault themselves with a very solemn edit summary. Kidding of course; a full-hearted support. J947 (c), at 04:30, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, as nominator. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:35, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Sounds like an excellent candidate. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 04:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support was leaning oppose due to the 4im, but decided that the warning is actually a good thing. ☺ Puddleglum 2.0 04:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Unfailingly civil, helpful, and competent. --valereee (talk) 05:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Have seen good work and expect to see more good work with the bit. —Kusma (t·c) 06:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support An obviously qualified candidate. I can‘t see anything at the moment that one would object to. Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 07:21, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No brainer, good mix of content, administration, tech and diplomacy. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 08:11, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Meets my criteria! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:50, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Fully qualified candidate. Newyorkbrad (talk) 09:33, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Long overdue. –xenotalk 09:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Great all-round skill set, and a very good temperament; model candidate. Britishfinance (talk) 10:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support without hesitation Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support precious dialogue, linguistic and legal --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Seem 'em around, always been impressed, no red/yellow flags. Thanks for standing. GirthSummit (blether) 10:29, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – At last, a builder! --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 11:05, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Possesses all the attributes and experience needed. Loopy30 (talk) 11:17, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support One of my favourite Wikipedia usernames, and I guess he's done a modicum of helping out around the site too ;) Nosebagbear (talk) 11:21, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Following up from that, I'm significantly more supportive after his set of excellent question responses. Nosebagbear (talk)
- Support - no concerns. GiantSnowman 11:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Not before time. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:37, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support A fantastic editor. Everything we could want: great content, skill and clue. Vexations (talk) 11:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I'm mostly absent from RfA these days, but I couldn't resist this one. You had me at "linguist", but there's a lot more to like ... everything to like. - Dank (push to talk) 11:44, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Excellent content contributions. — Newslinger talk 11:51, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose They already are one. jk From everything I know about this candidate, they will be a net contributor to the project so I support. buidhe 13:24, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- I haven't interacted with Wugapodes too often, but every time I have he's had the temperament I'd expect from an admin. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:44, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Seems like Wugapodes will make a great admin. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 13:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I've been offline for a couple of days, and when I come back I see three RfAs in progress. And each one is an obvious support just through seeing who the candidate is. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:34, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - trustworthy editor. PhilKnight (talk) 14:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Has done great work so far, so no reason to believe they will do anything but great work as an admin. Good luck! -- Tavix (talk) 15:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support One of the good ones. Will definitely be an asset as an admin. Yunshui 雲水 15:46, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Support - You only just pass my criteria. Most of your edits have been in the past eight months, and have only been here for a few years. Aside from that, you seem like a pretty good choice for an admin. Foxnpichu (talk) 16:27, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support will be a net positive to the project. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Fully qualified candidate. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 17:45, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support no worries here. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:35, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Really a no-brainer on this one. Ifnord (talk) 18:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. We've crossed paths but never swords. Sound, from everything I've seen; and you can never have too many wugs. Narky Blert (talk) 21:53, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Admins - call us wiki gnomes or the mop and bucket crew - Wugapodes has already been doing fixes and cleaning up to make one thing or another work. His technical expertise helped DYK solve a problem. When DYK grew to the point of having too many nominations to display on a page, he created a secondary page, and bots to move approved nominations to their own page. He monitors that part of the DYK process, so you can count on him to be around when he's needed. DYK aside, Wugapodes has been on Wikipedia long enough, and has good technical skills, that he would make a really good admin. — Maile (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support based on nom statements and my past interactions with the candidate. signed, Rosguill talk 22:18, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, without reservation. BD2412 T 22:24, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I've seen Wugapodes about a few times, and never in a bad way. No concerns that they would misuse the tools. Number 57 23:53, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No concerns. -- ferret (talk) 23:57, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, as this nominee is actually one of the few that meets my criteria. Wugapodes not only has a featured article, he has two, and he earned a Four Award for each. In addition, he writes legal articles and uses the Bluebook referencing styles. There appears to be no impediments to his being an admin. GregJackP Boomer! 00:09, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I've seen them around, and have liked what I've seen. As Boing! said, this is an embarrassment of riches. Miniapolis 00:23, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – no concerns. – bradv🍁 00:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks like another solid candidate though in this case I have no real personal experience with the editor. No red or yellow flags that I could find. Break out the cigars, I think we have another winner. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - not a jerk, has a clue. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, gladly, per my criteria. Wug is an even-tempered editor who, in my experience (mainly at RFD), typically makes the effort of providing reasoned arguments. I am not keen on Q7 (I prefer a red link to a micro-stub) but, ultimately, one's viewpoint on micro-stubs is not directly linked to one's quality as an admin. And, besides, I genuinely thought he was one already... :) -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:17, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Seems to be a solid contributor. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 03:51, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support great content creation chops, seems to have a clue, and will concentrate in areas they are familiar with. Sounds good to me. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support without hesitation. Solid candidate – Ammarpad (talk) 06:22, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nominators-- Deepfriedokra 07:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Wugapodes should make an excellent administrator. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:17, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, well qualified, will likely make good use of the tools. the wub "?!" 14:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support seems generally sensible; nothing to make me worry about abuse of tools — Rhododendrites talk \\ 17:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Good editor, sensible, has a clue. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No reason to think this user would abuse the tools. --rogerd (talk) 18:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support EC: Great candidate, will work well with the tools.
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18:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC) - Support Seems to be a level-headed voice of reason around here. I'm happy to trust them with a few extra buttons. Thank you for volunteering to help out. Ajpolino (talk) 19:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – No concerns. EdJohnston (talk) 20:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Pleased to support. El_C 20:54, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Decent content contributions, good temperament. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:28, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looked at his profile and work, seems good to me. Flalf (talk) 23:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support: an editor with an excellent temperament. Everything else is secondary, but Wugapodes ticks all the boxes I can list: experienced, needs the tools, outstanding content creation, thorough knowledge of policy, has worked in admin areas etc. Seen them around a fair bit and always been impressed by their helpfulness and calmness. — Bilorv (talk) 01:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Kurtis (talk) 02:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Why not? -FASTILY 03:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I default to supporting unless there's a good reason to oppose, and there isn't one yet. Banedon (talk) 04:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support meets my content creation criteria, seems to have a clue and should do well with the mop. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per above. epicgenius (talk) 06:07, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Capable and trusted. AGK ■ 07:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Best of luck. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 08:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - another high standard candidate. Orphan Wiki 10:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yes please. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 11:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per User:Dank. TSventon (talk) 12:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per noms. P-K3 (talk) 13:05, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Great candidate, I've had good interactions with them before and there really isn't much to add that hasn't been said already. I guess I can encourage them to use 2FA and other good security practices since a compromised admin account can be incredibly disruptive, but I'm sure they're aware of that already. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 13:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support without hesitation. --Laser brain (talk) 14:48, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Has my trust; will fill a need for more admins paying attention to the MP. SpencerT•C 14:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Very impressive answer to Q8. – Juliancolton | Talk 15:02, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Great contributions to content and also to back-stage areas of Wikipedia. Would be a net positive. Taewangkorea (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I've enjoyed working with Wugapodes in the past, and I'm impressed with their answers to the questions. No concerns from me! — MusikAnimal talk 20:09, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: And here I thought 'Podes was an admin already... — Javert2113 (Siarad.|¤) 20:36, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support net positive.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: good candidate. JohnThorne (talk) 20:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Galobtter (pingó mió) 21:14, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No reason to think Wugapodes will abuse the tools. Jayjg (talk) 22:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thought I’d supported early. Meets my criteria. TonyBallioni (talk) 02:23, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I've seen Wugapodes here and there and have always been impressed by their attitude, common sense, and helpfulness. No hesitation in supporting. Plus I always get a grin from their user name. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 03:17, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, positive impression gained from seeing Wugapodes' contributions. Cabayi (talk) 07:57, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Why not. Conlinp (talk) 09:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's a yes from me, though I have minor concerns about reliability. Looking back at contributions, there are gaps, and there have been several nudges regarding unfinished GA reviews. Everyone's attention can wander now and again, and attendance has been more regular recently, so it's not a serious concern, though it's worth a gentle reminder to Wugapodes that admins per WP:ADMINACCT should remain contactable and/or in touch with Wikipedia if they have performed an admin action that may be questioned. SilkTork (talk) 11:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Lulusword (talk) 11:47, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Under the assumption that the clean start or whatever is not a cover for anything untoward, it seems like a reasonable case for adminship and some research of their edits showed no concerns. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:08, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. No issues here. Meets my criteria. ZettaComposer (talk) 12:57, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support would make a good admin, no reason to oppose. 1.02 editor (T/C) 14:02, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support This one is not overdue, their activity has been concentrated in the last eight months, which absent other factors makes me uncomfortable. However, there are other factors. Wugapodes has created very solid content in his time here, and has actively participated in highly visible areas, and in ways that have left me favorably impressed. His answer to Q8 is a classic, and should be required reading. As he has sufficiently demonstrated clue and NOTJERK, I will support this candidacy. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Passes my incredibly difficult, incredibly stringent admin criteria (or is that criterion?), which quite simply, is "don't do anything outrageously stupid".--WaltCip (talk) 15:26, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Has made good progress with GA reviews for Chomsky and Melville. CodexJustin (talk) 16:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per the excellent answers to Q8 and Q9. –FlyingAce✈hello 18:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support can be trusted with a mop, productive user with clear use case --DannyS712 (talk) 18:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Excellent editor.CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:15, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Good Xtools stats. Glad to see participation on Wikipedia namespace as well. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:02, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - No concerns. Nihlus 21:12, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - seen this editor around and have no concerns. Mjroots (talk) 22:07, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Wizardman 22:55, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per the answer to Q8. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Candidate is qualified and trustworthy. Also, strong answers to questions. Demetrius Tremens (talk) 23:44, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Looks like a strong candidate. Cbl62 (talk) 23:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- A pile-on at this point but particularly impressed by Q8. – Levivich 00:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - No concerns and the answer to Q8 really demonstrated some strengths the candidate has. -- Dane talk 01:10, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - No concerns here, Also Q8 says a lot about the candidate which is another reason for this support. –Davey2010Talk 01:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. — sparklism hey! 13:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Obviously, ∯WBGconverse 13:53, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Won't wreck everything and per the nominators. --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Basically comfortable to go with the flow here as virtually no-one seems to have great concerns.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:10, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- 💴Money💶💵emoji💷Talk💸Help out at CCI! 18:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support because I would like content creators to have an easier time out here. Airbornemihir (talk) 18:31, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support·a·po·des. I've seen them around, and have had positive interactions with them. Good editor. content + good attitude + clue = mop — Ched (talk) 19:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Ched, ha, I thought about writing that. I expect that the candidate will inform us that it means 'supported by plural tiny feet', which makes me think of The Luggage... GirthSummit (blether) 20:49, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, a strong candidate. SarahSV (talk) 19:57, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, great contributor, will be sensible with the tools. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:06, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No concerns. Some content creation and much BLP experience. Slightly less main space contribution than I would like, but sufficient. Lightburst (talk) 00:39, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – will be an asset. Cavalryman (talk) 00:55, 23 January 2020 (UTC).
- Support . Looks good. AfD participation is light, but reviewed !votes look good. Oppose #1 is well answered at Q8 and Q9. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 02:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, has a clue, excellent candidate; opposes utterly unconvincing. Gleeanon409 (talk) 06:43, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, WP:NOBIGDEAL. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, will be fine. Fish+Karate 11:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - no concerns, will be an asset. Carcharoth (talk) 13:35, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- -- Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:53, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support -- Appears to be a qualified candidate. -- Dolotta (talk) 19:43, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I see no reason not to support. Has decent contributions. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Muboshgu (talk) 22:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Per others. While I've not worked with them myself (from memory), there seem to be no concerns. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)(click me!) 23:17, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support seems to be a qualified candidate; giving them the tools looks to be a net positive. Aoi (青い) (talk) 01:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support another very easy support. Glad to see another highly qualified candidate step up; thank you for volunteering. CThomas3 (talk) 05:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Obviously a no-brainer – excellent editor and candidate. PI Ellsworth ed. put'r there 09:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - No concerns here! Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 11:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- The candidate has done useful work at DYK, but I didn't realize he was also a fine content creator. Answers to questions above indicate intelligence and maturity. In short, plenty of reasons to support. Gatoclass (talk) 13:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: Will make a great admin! - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: Dede2008 (talk) 14:56, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, attitude and competence look great to me. – Fayenatic London 15:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support- they'll do good things. Kicking222 (talk) 15:17, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I'm pleased with what I've seen from this editor. --BDD (talk) 15:40, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Dekimasuよ! 15:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Quality editor and good answers to the questions. I've encountered this editor at RfD some lately, and while I haven't always agreed with this editor, their contributions there are always sound and policy-based. Hog Farm (talk) 16:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. See them around a lot, and don't remember anything that would set off red lights. Clearly competent, apparently thoughtful, polite, and can read the instructions. Probably even knows who to ask too. · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 18:34, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support; a wonderfully wide variety of excellent contributions in many areas. No red flags at all. Great choice to be an administrator. ~ mazca talk 18:52, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Welcome. Be gentle with the content creators. I have no concerns. Wm335td (talk) 20:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom and above. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 21:06, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No concerns here at all-- long overdue. Nomader (talk) 22:51, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Well qualified and a net positive. TheGeneralUser (talk) 01:38, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I figured I would end up here, from general feels/impressions I have about the editor. After digging about, I'm not finding anything at all that causes me to question the editor's intent or competence. To the contrary, this is a very WP:HERE editor who has the project's best interests in mind, from everything that I see. Calm enough, active enough, content-editing enough, and not too often lolling about in the dramaboards. :-) — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 03:55, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Oppose
- Strong Oppose Wugapodes first edit was to join a WikiProject. In his first edits he did work on templates. That has all the signs of WP:DUCK. It seems this editor has been around WP before his current account was created and this hasn't been disclosed either at this RFA or on his user page....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Wugs are birds, but I do not think they are ducks. I’m not sure how extraordinary it is to join a WikiProject as a first edit, given the nature of WikiProjects is to be inviting and are linked from talk pages of topics of interest. As for template familiarity, have you considered posing an optional question if you wish to know about the candidate’s prior wiki experience here or elsewhere? (I see raised in Q8.) –xenotalk 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- They could have edited as an IP before or hey maybe they came from Wikia or Fandom or whatever they are calling themselves these days. @WilliamJE: you should AGF unless you hav actual evidence that indicates otherwise. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 20:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was an intermittent IP editor for 6 months or so before creating an account. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 20:13, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- They could have edited as an IP before or hey maybe they came from Wikia or Fandom or whatever they are calling themselves these days. @WilliamJE: you should AGF unless you hav actual evidence that indicates otherwise. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 20:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's irrelevant now after the answer to Q8 but this oppose really should not have been added in the first place. Joining WikiProjects very early is completely normal. I'm not meaning to badger but good faith should definitely have been assumed here. J947 (c), at 04:55, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Wugs are birds, but I do not think they are ducks. I’m not sure how extraordinary it is to join a WikiProject as a first edit, given the nature of WikiProjects is to be inviting and are linked from talk pages of topics of interest. As for template familiarity, have you considered posing an optional question if you wish to know about the candidate’s prior wiki experience here or elsewhere? (I see raised in Q8.) –xenotalk 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Neutral
- Concerned about lack of activity,
just waiting for any opposition justification before deciding on opposing or supporting.Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 16:39, 18 January 2020 (UTC)- Hi, @Willbb234:, could you clarify what particular sense you mean "lack of activity" - total edit count, edit count in a certain namespace, recent edit count etc? Don't want to start a discussion on it something we already agree on. Nosebagbear (talk) 23:12, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Nosebagbear: regarding all namespace edits: significant numbers of edits have only been performed fairly recently. I think their total edit count is also a little concerning, but then again this user does lots of content creation so it's understandable. 09:06, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, @Willbb234:, could you clarify what particular sense you mean "lack of activity" - total edit count, edit count in a certain namespace, recent edit count etc? Don't want to start a discussion on it something we already agree on. Nosebagbear (talk) 23:12, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Agree with Willbb234 - a bit short on content creation (until recently) for my liking. I would like to be sure that the current level of activity isn't a flash in the pan. Deb (talk) 09:57, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Deb: I do wonder if you've read the dates correctly; Wugapodes has two four awards from 2016. Vanamonde (Talk) 06:21, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Well, that's nice, but most of his contributions are noticeably in the past couple of years, just as Willbb234 commented. If there's one thing an admin needs in large quantities, it's staying power, because once you're there, many contributors go out of their way to try to drag you down.Deb (talk) 09:05, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Staying power is a valid concern; but my point was that edit-count is a poor proxy for activity and staying power in the case of an editor who managed to get an article to FA in ~60 edits. I won't pester you further, though. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- And given that we semi-often accept candidates who have a total of only "the past couple of years", I'm curious what Deb is getting at. It's not clear to me how being active for 2+ years and counting equates to evidence of inconsistent, noncommittal participation in the present. Seems to be rather the opposite. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 21:28, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Well, that's nice, but most of his contributions are noticeably in the past couple of years, just as Willbb234 commented. If there's one thing an admin needs in large quantities, it's staying power, because once you're there, many contributors go out of their way to try to drag you down.Deb (talk) 09:05, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Deb: I do wonder if you've read the dates correctly; Wugapodes has two four awards from 2016. Vanamonde (Talk) 06:21, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
General comments
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QEDK
Final (137/9/3); Closed as successful by Maxim(talk) at 14:33, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Nomination
QEDK (talk · contribs) – Today, I'm nominating a long-term editor that many of you will probably recognize. QEDK has been helping out with various admin tasks for a while now. As a trustworthy and helpful editor, I think it's time we consider promoting QEDK to become an administrator. As a CheckUser, I'm most familiar with QEDK's work as a non-admin clerk at SPI. Although the non-admin clerks do a lot of useful work, they are limited by their inability to block obvious sock puppets or perform history merges. As a perpetually backlogged area, giving trusted clerks more responsibilities can only help. I think you'll agree that QEDK has a demonstrated need for the administrator tools and has shown a willingness to pitch in and help where needed, whether it's dealing with sock puppetry, vandalism, or something as mundane as page moves. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Co-nomination
I’m delighted to nominate QEDK for adminship. In fact I’ve been urging him for months to take the plunge; he seems like a natural to me. He is best known as an SPI clerk. He is also a valuable closer of move discussions, having both the page mover right and the skill to perform round robin history swaps. He is familiar with admin-related areas like UAA, AIV, and RfPP - even abuse filters where he is an abusefilter helper. He has a good record at AfD. He’s been here since 2010 and has 19,000 edits. IMO he is definitely ready, and I believe he will be a fine addition to the admin corps. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Thank you MelanieN and NinjaRobotPirate for your kind words and advice. I gladly accept this nomination. I would also like to state that I have never edited for pay (and never will). --qedk (t 桜 c) 13:23, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: As a long-time clerk at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations, I primarily intend to use the administrator tools to block sockpuppets disrupting Wikipedia. I also intend to help out at WP:RFPP and WP:AIV, where I have contributed a fair amount of edits and which stay backlogged for long periods of time. I will also work with granting user rights at WP:PERM, primarily with the page mover right, with which I am the most familiar. I close requested moves pretty often and the ability to move over protected pages, and moving over existing history would be helpful.
- As I become more used to the administrator toolset, I also intend to help out at AfD and NPP, where I hope to contribute with improving articles and deleting pages per policy, as the need be. I believe there are always more things to learn and I hope to pick them up as I go. There are also areas like ANRFC, which are in dire requirement of administrative attention, and I hope to contribute more to those areas.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: I am proud of the stubs I make on endangered and critically-endangered species, such as the Mahé boulder cricket and Paradecolya briseferi. It is fairly hard to find information on these topics but coverage on these endangered species are important, as they are of significant academic interest. I am also proud of the 2019 India doctors' strike article which I created and worked on significantly while the strike was ongoing, I hope to bring it to good article status as soon as I get the time. I have also created and worked on articles such as April 2016 Kabul attack and the Kolkata flyover collapse, both of which were nominated and posted to ITN, which are among some of the ITN candidates I work on before they are posted.
- As a non-administrator, I was involved with the page mover request for comment, userspace draft policy revamp and most recently, MOSMAC3. In my opinion, I believe working to improve the present state of Wikipedia with the general consensus is the way forward and being a part of it is what makes us a part of this community. That also comes with my involvement and interest in the meta-space and policy-formation venues on Wikipedia.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: As a lot of my edits are in the Wikipedia namespace, it is fair to say I have been a witness to various degrees of conflicts in my tenure. I, for one, do not believe that shying away from conflicts can always resolve issues, it is important to get your point across and understand the viewpoints of other editors. That naturally means developing a nuanced approach to how you do things. When I started off, I was definitely less adept at dealing with other editors but I believe I have done better since then and worked to deal with other editors collaboratively.
- One particular incident that I was heavily involved in was the Future Perfect at Sunrise arbitration case request. I believe I would have handled things differently now (even if I had filed an arbitration request). I've recently worked with FPAS on the formation of MOSMAC3 and it was a good and complex experience working with editors of different viewpoints collaborate to reach a positive outcome. Either way, that case ended up resolved by motion and I remember it being quite stressful for me then. I've learnt from the incident and since then, I've learnt to separate my online and real life - and thus, I take frequent breaks and edit when I want to, instead of feeling that I need to. That helps me take the edge off, and being on Wikipedia becomes an enjoyable hobby rather than a daunting task.
You may ask optional questions below. There is a limit of two questions per editor. Multi-part questions disguised as one question, with the intention of evading the limit, are disallowed. Follow-up questions relevant to questions you have already asked are allowed.
- Additional question from SoWhy
- 4. Can you explain this G11 tagging, this edit and this AFD please?
- A: Most of the article was written in a promotional tone and exhibited terms commonly used for puffery. Firstly, taking note that there was no sourcing at all, we can discuss the rest of the article:
Abha Dharampal (now CEO) had won the Best Teacher award
, which Best Teacher award is being referred to is unclear. We have the National Award for Teachers (India) but even if true, the award doesn't exist (in its current verbiage) and can be said to be a promotional claim.Now the school has updated itself into all ac and 24x7 Access
, this statement is clearly intended for advertisement. This is not notable or significant enough for inclusion in the English Wikipedia.after which it has consistently been able to get honoured by the International School Award by Cambridge
, comparing with the current article, the awarding institution is wrong and even then, it was for the year 2015-16, which makes this a false promotional claim.- The "Initiatives taken" section is clearly promotional, as evident from the language used —
an additional mode of learning through experiencing...
,USGS educational trips promote learning with enjoyment...
,These are fun trips for interaction...
, etc. - The next section is similar, where we observe language such as:
This is done in a fun-filled, interactive manner...
and...to inculcate essential skills for life
. Known as the famous showcase of extraordinary talent, USGS hosts its annual day in a very prosperous and celebrative way...
is clearly also intended to promote the subject of the article, utilizing promotional language to uplift the image of the school. It goes on to say...proud USGSites display their talent in an innovative way, on the school's playground. This enhances the school's ability to produce entrepreneurs and all-rounders
which is also mostly puffery with no real encyclopedic information.- Finally, there is the "Achievements" section, which is a bulleted list of everything that is positive about the school, whether true or not, but written in a manner of promoting the school:
The 100% computer literacy award.
,Has produced the highest number of toppers in the shortest time frame.
,The school has introduced AS and A level courses ... which has produced world toppers and India toppers.
which are again questionable and unencyclopedic information which may or may not be true but clearly written in a way to produce a good image of the school in question. - To remove all of this promotional tone would constitute a fundamental rewrite of the article in question and hence meet the WP:CSD#G11 criteria.
- Moving on to the Uche Odoputa article, I made a wrong judgement in the assessment of what the "assertion of notability" is. While A7 requires that no notability is asserted, I had tagged it even though a assertion of notability was present, which was a wrong judgement on my part.
- Lastly in the case of the Nail H. Ibragimov article, I also made a wrong judgement in assessing the subject to not meet WP:NPROF. The article, in my opinion, did not meet WP:GNG but certainly did meet WP:SNG as pointed out by my colleagues later on, which was again, a lapse in my judgement.
- I appreciate your advice regarding speedies you gave last year and worked on improving, having zero speedy declines since then. I took time to evaluate each subject with more time, so as to understand my misunderstandings of the criteria (and also, SNGs where applicable). With thanks. --qedk (t 桜 c) 19:59, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Follow-up question
- 4.1. Do you see any other problems with those edits, especially the first two? Would you make them again? If so, why? If not, why not? Regards SoWhy 21:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- A: Criteria for speedy deletion is a complex policy where every clause has its own meaning and is subject to mistakes in its interpretation. To put it plainly, my latter two edits are definitely lapses in judgement and I would not make them again:
- The Uche Odoputa speedy was challenged and it is generally assumed that if a challenge is speedied, it is better to move to a deletion discussion to determine inclusion. I did not, as I was working under the assumption that the subject surely did not have any "credible claim of significance", due to my misunderstanding of what a credible claim is, as I explained further below. The correct action would have been to submit it to AfD when challenged instead of restoring the tag, I let it be after I was challenged twice. I did some further reading over the next week then and it was indeed correct that sources were not required at all for a credible claim of significance.
- I submitted Nail H. Ibragimov to AfD without following WP:BEFORE, where it would certainly have passed the check for WP:SNGs, as was pointed out by all of my colleagues. The correct action would be a proper application of WP:BEFORE where it would have saved the community's time as well as my own.
- As for the first edit, some editors might consider it bad taste to nominate an article at AfD for speedy deletion, but CSD specifically states:
Speedy deletion is intended to reduce the time spent on deletion discussions for pages or media with no practical chance of surviving discussion.
Until the article was rewritten completely, sourced with all promotional language removed, the general viewpoint at AfD was for deletion. Per the criterion stated under CSD#G11, the article at the time of nomination met both the cruxes: "exclusively promotional" and "requiring a fundamental rewrite". Furthermore, noting that the article was deleted for meeting the aforementioned criterion by Jimfbleak — all of which indicate it was the correct decision. --qedk (t 桜 c) 12:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC) - I am aware of the mistakes I made and make in the area, and hence, will commit to understanding policies before exercising my administrative tools in this area. I will look to gain sufficient experience before going head-first into making calls on CSD and AfD (as has been pointed out to me before). For now, I hope to contribute to Wikipedia by dealing with sockpuppets and tagging articles for deletion. It is fair to say that I am not a perfect editor but I will actively try to not repeat my old mistakes and welcome all editors to discuss my shortcomings, so as to I am aware of where I should seek to put effort in. -qedk (t 桜 c) 12:43, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from Phil Bridger
- 5. Do you still believe, as you did 8 months ago, that sources are needed to get past speedy deletion criterion A7 and that sources have to be in English to contribute to notability?
- A: If I remember correctly, I said that the sources were not reliable (and leaning on the edge of very unreliable at that) and do not amount to a
"credible claim of signficance"
(emphasis mine). It's the same way that if Breitbart writes a hit piece on Sanders, we do not use it for factual information or anything at all. Sources are not required (but ideal) to establish a credible claim, my belief then was misplaced in the fact that no notability was asserted, which was the lapse in my judgement I cited above, as a credible claim does not need to be sourced in the first place — which would make it ineligible for CSD#A7. - To quote myself,
...quite obvious problem with sources in Czech is that it's infinitely more difficult to ascertain source content and reliability
. I never saidsources have to be in English to contribute to notability
, but I did say,Czech sources (which are in Czech) are barely reliable
, which was owing to my difficult experience with trying to determine reliability of Central European language sources and would much rather utilize only the most reliable and well-known sources. - I do not think that articles need sources to not meet A7, nor that sources have to be in English to contribute to notability, but I think it is often much easier with reliable sources and English sources to pass the two hurdles respectively. I failed in effectively communicating my issues hereto, for which I apologize. --qedk (t 桜 c) 12:06, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- A: If I remember correctly, I said that the sources were not reliable (and leaning on the edge of very unreliable at that) and do not amount to a
- Additional questions from Carrite
- 6 Have you ever used or are you currently using any other alternate accounts, or is this your only Wikipedia account?
- A: Currently, I am not using any alternate accounts. I retain access to only two alternate accounts, QEDKbot and AnkitBot. I used to have a döppelganger account c. 2015, which I requested to be vanished (it had no edits), I do not possess the credentials for that account (username or password). --qedk (t 桜 c) 20:05, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- 7. I notice from your edit history an uneven record of participation, including a number of multi-month dry spells in which you edited very little or not at all at En-WP, including, for example, a total of 50 edits for the four month period May through August 2018, and a total of 24 edits for June through November 2015. What was the cause of these (and other unlisted) pauses from very active editing? Do you anticipate being a very active editor moving forward, as you have been over the last year or so?
- A: Most of times I am on a hiatus are due to real-life commitments. To answer your question, the reason I was inactive in the 2018 period you cited was because of multiple reasons: coursework, events and family issues. The 2015 hiatus was due to complications with an Inspire program (Wikimedia project) which I was eventually not a part of, as well as ensuing coursework. Feel free to ask me to elaborate if you so require. I can surely make a commitment to be active, I've been moderately active every year I've been on the English Wikipedia (excepting 2010) and I hope I can continue doing the same. It is important to take note of the fact that we are all volunteers and we all have other commitments to attend to, Wikipedia should be a place where you enjoy contributing and not a place where you are compelled to edit, that is my opinion. --qedk (t 桜 c) 20:24, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional questions from John M Wolfson
- 8. An editor creates an article on an elementary school that entirely comprises material copied and pasted from that school's website. What criterion for speedy deletion applies, and in particular which criterion/a do(es) not apply?
- A: From my experience, school websites will typically not have copyright status mentioned or have something along the lines of "All rights reserved". That would mean that it is copyright infringement to have the aforementioned content in the article, hence making it eligible for WP:CSD#G12 criterion (unless the content is explicitly released under public domain or a compatible license). The most pertinent criterion that would definitely not apply would be WP:CSD#A7, as entailed here and, non-article namespace and redirect speedy deletion criteria.
- Other criteria that should not apply would be (in order of relevance):
- G6 (technical deletions), G13 (abandoned drafts and AfC submissions), G14 (unnecessary disambiguation pages)
- A5 (transwikied articles), A9 (unimportant musical recording), A11 (obviously invented), X2 (created by the content translation tool)
- May not apply (in order of relevance):
- A1 (no context), A3 (no content), if copied information cannot be used to determine context and if copied information is not any content but links, etc. respectively.
- G9 (office), if deletion is via a takedown notice served to WMF Legal.
- G1 (patent nonsense), G2 (test page), G3 (vandalism and hoaxes), G10 (attack page), unlikely that the website would contain content of this manner but if the page was indiscriminately copied, it is possible.
- A10 (duplicate article), if another article on the school already exists.
- A2 (foreign language articles that exist on another Wikimedia project), less plausible since copyvios cannot exist on any WMF project per Terms of Use, but a lot of projects have weaker copyvio auditing than the English Wikipedia, so a possibility nonetheless.
- The following criteria can also apply (again in order of relevance):
- G11 (unambiguous advertising or promotion), it is very likely that website content will be promotional as that is the sole intention of the website, it seeks to promote the subject of the article.
- G8 (Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page), if the said article has a talk page, it can be deleted under G8 should the article also qualify for speedy deletion.
- Apart from the above, G4 (recreation of deleted material), G5 (creation by blocked/banned users) and G7 (author requests deletion) can apply in their respective cases.
- I hope that covers it, feel free to ask me to elaborate on any of the above rationales or point out if there's anything that I might have missed. With thanks. --qedk (t 桜 c) 16:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- 9. Is office.bomis.com an appropriate username?
- A: Per WP:UPOL, "office.bomis.com" can be classified as a promotional username (WP:ORGNAME, since the URL/name of the company is the username) as well as usernames implying shared use (WP:ISU, since the username is the URL/name of the company with no singular person specified), thus making this an inappropriate username. --qedk (t 桜 c) 17:21, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from Atsme
- 10. Why would anyone not support you for adminship? Atsme Talk 📧 04:30, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- A: It is not often that I'm asked to sabotage my own ship, but heck, why not. At the risk of being too honest, I can say with absolute certainty, I will not be the perfect administrator, I will almost certainly protect the the right (wrong) version and I will make mistakes. But the commitment I can make is to make sure that I listen to everyone who pitches in to tell me where I'm going wrong and work actively to correct it.
- Right now, I do not think that I am the perfect embodiment of what an editor on Wikipedia should be, and I probably won't be in the future, but I've gotten here only because I read and I listened. Sometimes, you just have to be boring and slow and realize that even if the greater purpose is the improvement of the encyclopedia, you should enjoy what you are doing. So that's what I'll keep doing. Best, qedk (t 桜 c) 17:02, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Additional question from SilkTork
- 11. Looking back at Talk:Michael_Jackson/Archive_36#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_11_December_2019, and at the sources used: [3] for the statue and [4] for the production delay, do you still feel that the request to present that material in a more neutral, informative and balanced manner was achieved? Looking again, do you feel that the section as it still stands, follows WP:NPOV or is it, as the requester is suggesting, pointing the reader to a negative conclusion by leaving out valuable information and by presenting the media's implications in Wikipedia voice as fact? SilkTork (talk) 10:31, 21 January 2020 (UTC) Added: Our article on the rescheduled show, MJ: The Musical, uses this source to explain the delay: [5], which uses the same reason as the NYT, though omits the implication by association that the cancellation was due to the sexual allegations. One (or both) articles are therefore potentially incorrect. SilkTork (talk) 10:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- A: In a way, everything we write is inherently biased, in the way that we all have pre-formed notions that subsist without us wanting to or not. The English Wikipedia is biased towards whatever the majority of its editors want it to be. It is probably most prevalent in the Manual of Style, where stylizations can be be based on arbitrariness or sometimes, a very planned logical path as well. In that regard, an absolute neutral point of view is probably impossible to attain. What we can do, ofcourse, is to try our best to achieve NPOV in that regard. I've encountered a lot of edit requests which state, "If you're gonna state X, state Y as well" to which my de-facto reply has always been to ask for reliable sources for the same. If the editor provides the same, all good, or else, I certainly will not include it, and I certainly will not remove the already reliably sourced information. NPOV is important, but it does not make sense to do so over losing verifiability. In this particular case, the current section as it stands is completely verifiable and as such, does not violate NPOV. The crux of the edit request was to remove the part regarding the delayed musical as it was scheduled in 2020, which was probably a mix-up, which I fixed, as it referred to the developmental lab. The part regarding the statue is a direct quote from a reliable source and would have made no sense to remove reliably sourced information to accomodate the passionate fans of Michael Jackson. To me, the truth is the NPOV, and reliable sources are the closest I can get to truth, apart from actually knowing it.
- Conflict between sources is fairly prevalent in articles, and a lot of the times inclusion of all information available is not possible. I encountered this problem with April 2016 Kabul attack and 2019 India doctors' strike where multiple sources would report the same incident differently. The ideal way is to evaluate the best sources at hand, and if the sources are all generally reliable, it probably makes sense to pick the latest report. If the sources are generally reliable and it is possible to include two viewpoints which aren't directly contradictory, it also makes sense to include some or most of them. Local (or regional) sources of whose reliability is doubtful can be included for those areas where we are getting a generally reliable source as well. It probably makes sense to evaluate them on a case-by-case basis. In this certain case however, I would certainly rank a NYT report over a Broadway.com piece, especially when the NYT report was written by Michael Paulson, who was part of the Boston Globe team whose coverage of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church won the 2003 Pulitzer Prize for Public Service.
- Many apologies for the long-winded answer, but I hope that covered all bases. Feel free to ask me to clarify. --qedk (t 桜 c) 20:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Discussion
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Support
- Trusted user. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 13:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not a jerk, has clue, no issues. I am particularly impressed with his recent work in establishing templates and user messages for partial blocks, a feature that I have long supported. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:42, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Was waiting for this. 💴Money💶💵emoji💷Talk💸Help out at CCI! 13:45, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I’ve been hoping for this for a while. QEDK is a sensible user who will make good use of the tools. He’s consistently a stable and independent voice in community discussions, and in the areas he works in is trusted. Giving him the tools would be nothing but a net-positive for the community, and I’m extremely happy to support. We need more administrators who are willing to be independent voices, and I’m confident QEDK will be one. I look forward to him being on the team. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:50, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've seen them about the place, and no concerns. — Amakuru (talk) 13:57, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- SPI clerk is, on its own, a functional demonstration of "has a clue", and I've not seen QEDK being a jerk, so happy to support. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I wouldn't usually support a candidate who "confesses" ;) to writing
one of the worse sentences ever
[FBDB] but their total and utter reasonableness concerning the matter and swift movement to resolve it is an object lesson in why QEDK is worthy of the tools. Technical ability to wield them—while important—is irrelevant compared with the attitude and composure to do so positively and productively. As it goes, I would've supported them anyway, but it's very pleasant indeed to have an example of the qualities they need, demonstrated so willingly and casually. Incidentally, and for the record, I find the opposes unconvincing. ——SN54129 13:59, 17 January 2020 (UTC) - Oppose. They are already an admin. (Wait ... am I wrong?) Steel1943 (talk) 14:16, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yes And I am quite fond of partial blocks to boot. Lectonar (talk) 14:20, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support "Already an admin"(TM). The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:21, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Foxnpichu (talk) 14:23, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support on grounds of"what do you mean you aren't an admin already?" Competent, plays well with others, no major issues I'm aware of. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 14:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, {{subst:thoughtyouwereone}} ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:37, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Sure. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 14:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Surprised support. —Kusma (t·c) 15:15, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- 100000000% Support (pretty much the Strongest support ever given to a person in the existence of this universe[Citation needed][let's be honest, it doesn't :)]). Didn't even have to read the nominations to jump straight to support. Literally all it took was for me to read "QEDK" on the RfX report for me to support. Never disagreed with QEDK on any admin assistance matter at SPI. If I have not already made it clear I support him, then read the above again. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 15:16, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- And to clarify, I see QEDK as a trustworthy editor, who 100% needs the tools. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 15:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Certainly one of our most trustworthy users. Binksternet (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Other than being a competent editor, having to receive the EFH right requires a great amount of technical experience and general knowledge on Wikipedia. And then the amount of trust this user right requires. I think these are the reasons why everyone is calling QEDK an admin already. Jerm (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support as co-nom. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:31, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Hard to find any minimal issue + We need more admins from India/S.E. Asia. ∯WBGconverse 15:36, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I'm kind of new here but from what I've seen he seems like a really nice guy and a good candidate for admin. Flalf (talk) 15:50, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support will be a net positive to the project. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:52, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- 'Support per Dreamy Jazz. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Been hoping for this for a long while! A good voice who can be trusted to use the tools positively. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 16:18, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Dekimasuよ! 16:19, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Excellent work in sockpuppet investigations. — Newslinger talk 16:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Absolutely, very good and trusted user. Good luck. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - a long awaited RFA! Cabayi (talk) 16:45, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Sure thing. — 🦊 16:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Trusted, competent. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:24, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support- Won't break the project. I say hand the mop. Aloha27 talk 17:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Has a clear need for the tools and will be an asset on the admin team. Schwede66 18:12, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Trusted and experienced editor, I see no red flags here, Easy support. –Davey2010Talk 18:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I have seen them working at SPI and think they do a good job. They have been responsible with their current toolset, and I think they would continue that with the admin tools. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 18:37, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Valid concerns have been raised in the general comments about the nominator's subtle wrongthink, but I can overlook this. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:43, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Yes, seen them around (esp. AIV), and no concerns. Great to have admins from India/SE Asia. Britishfinance (talk) 18:51, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support A level-headed editor who has a clear need for the tools. And I've been saying this a lot recently, but dang I thought they already were an admin...CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:10, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Definitely competent enough to use the tools responsibly. Kirbanzo (userpage - talk - contribs) 20:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - no concerns. GiantSnowman 20:10, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – certainly a net positive. –FlyingAce✈hello 20:12, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Yes, please! OhKayeSierra (talk) 20:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Well-qualified. EdJohnston (talk) 20:39, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Another "Wait aren't they an admin"? nomination. Definitely will be a good hand. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:44, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- * Pppery * it has begun... 20:56, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support--Ymblanter (talk) 21:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I have followed QEDK's work for several years now and have been in nearly all cases thoroughly impressed. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 21:41, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Fully qualified candidate. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:46, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. 'bout time. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:02, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:10, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - another one I was looking forward to. Excellent candidate, clue and temperament and all that. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 22:12, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - trustworthy editor. PhilKnight (talk) 22:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Clear net positive.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Ah, shoot. @QEDK: What a bad time for me to have gone on a semi-wikibreak. I missed out on being the first support! –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:11, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Trustworthy editor, trustworthy noms. Good answers to questions. I've seen them around, and like what I've seen. Miniapolis 23:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Passes all my RfA standards as far as I can tell, and I have enough direct experience of the candidate to trust with the tools. The anti-sock work is a big plus; if one is going to get right into the "policing", that (on today's WP versus, say, in 2005) is where to focus. I'm not concerned with months-ago CSD interpretation glitches; that stuff is easy to get right with some "study", especially after previous errors are learned from. Good temperament and clearly here to work on an encyclopedia, not to generate drama (matters a lot to me). Does enough content work for me, even if not a GA/FA churner (we need stubs turned into proper articles far more than we need people polishing chrome on great articles to make them "extra-great"). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Suppport per SMcCandlish, per nom statements (These are two admins I am in awe of.) Per other support rationales. One should know how to pace oneself. Still a net positive. Seen 'm around. ANd, adminship needn't be a big deal. Oh, I just had an issue concerning regionalism. So, per Winged Blades of Godric as well-- a rare and precious gift.-- Deepfriedokra 23:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)*
- Support Qualified, trusted and well suited for adminship. If QEDK turns out to be operating a UPE ring I will eat my shoes. Vexations (talk) 00:15, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Another very solid candidate with no red or yellow flags and an impressive history of contributions to the project. Almost certain to be a net positive with the tools. The two opposes are not persuasive. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Well-qualified and all-around candidate. – Ammarpad (talk) 03:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Will be a net positive to the project as an admin. SportingFlyer T·C 03:42, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- QEDK should enhance the project thanks to their experience and positive disposition. It would be a pleasure to have them be a sysop here. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:05, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - .will put the admin tools to good use and help build the encyclopedia. Gizza (t)(c) 04:10, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support; I'm concerned about the answer to the G11 part of Q4, as G11 is supposed to be for pages that are
exclusively promotional
. However, I am confident that QEDK will be a net positive to the admin corps. J947 (c), at 04:19, 18 January 2020 (UTC) - Support - most likely to be a net positive Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Clear need for the tools, very active and trusted in areas where they could be put to good use. GirthSummit (blether) 10:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Have no issues, seems to benefit from the tools. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 13:57, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support They alredy have proven themselves with the bucket, they can carrry the mop. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 13:58, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I've been offline for a couple of days, and when I come back I see three RfAs in progress. And each one is an obvious support just through seeing who the candidate is. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:35, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I don't see any glaring issues. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 15:19, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No red flags observed. So why the hell not? Celestina007 (talk) 16:41, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No problems here. Akhiljaxxn (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support for easily meeting my minimums and nothing convincing seen in opposing !votes. Ifnord (talk) 18:49, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Willing to accept criticism with civility and admit mistakes is huge. --valereee (talk) 19:09, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, definitely a good choice. BD2412 T 22:25, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support has a clue, clearly responds well to criticism. I'm not thrilled with their response to question #5, but not to the point where I think it's necessary to oppose. signed, Rosguill talk 22:46, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No concerns. -- ferret (talk) 23:56, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – clear need for the tools, and well qualified. – bradv🍁 00:54, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Long-time trusted editor. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:39, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - not a jerk, has a clue. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:21, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Definitely, it's time when one should replace their set of permissions with sysop. QueerEcofeminist "cite! even if you fight"!!! [they/them/their] 09:47, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Easy decision. Orphan Wiki 10:54, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - no concerns here. the wub "?!" 14:41, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No reason to think this user would abuse the tools. --rogerd (talk) 19:00, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Level-headed. El_C 19:03, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, will be a useful admin. Why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BEANS X2 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Long overdue Razer(talk) 19:14, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - If the SPI folks trust him with the admin tools, I'm happy to trust their judgment. Thanks for volunteering to help out. Ajpolino (talk) 19:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: clear use for the tools and seeing no temperament concerns or other issues. — Bilorv (talk) 01:21, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Kurtis (talk) 02:02, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support One of the few names that are "I thought he's an admin already". OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Why not? -FASTILY 03:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support All the best. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 07:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Capable and trusted. AGK ■ 07:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Friendly, and can be trusted with the tools. Rehman 16:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - the reason you think QEDK is already an admin is because of all the work he's shouldering at SPI. There's been a hanger for him in the mop closet for years, he just needed to ask. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Clear need and qualification for the tools. Taewangkorea (talk) 19:01, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: good candidate. JohnThorne (talk) 20:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - The times I've seen QEDK around, I've found them to have generally good judgment. Doing a bit of research before supporting just confirmed as much. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 05:43, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Why not. Conlinp (talk) 09:20, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I've always found QEDK to be a reasonable editor, and believe he will be a fair and thoughtful administrator. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 09:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - We need more admins who realize that their judgment is not perfect, but who are able to perform at a high level, even when scrutinized by admins who believe their own judgement to be perfect. - MrX 🖋 12:56, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. No issues here. Meets my criteria. ZettaComposer (talk) 12:57, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Positive interactions with the candidate at AIV; will be a great benefit to the project with the tools. SpencerT•C 15:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - competent editor; no concerns from me. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support can be trusted with a mop --DannyS712 (talk) 18:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- No apparent issues. Best of luck in your new role! – Juliancolton | Talk 21:05, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Good stats on AfD, comfortable on Wikipedia namespace pages, etc. Seems to have a clue. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Weak support. No major issues, but the number of instances that they got policies wrong makes me wonder. I'd rather see them not close deletion discussions for the time being, perhaps for another 3 months or so, while actively learning about the process. — kashmīrī TALK 23:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No concerns, valid need for advanced tools, seems trustworthy. Demetrius Tremens (talk) 23:40, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - No concerns and I thought they were already an admin! -- Dane talk 01:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Adding the tolls to QEDK's repertoire will be a benefit to the 'pedia. MarnetteD|Talk 03:08, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Sir Joseph (talk) 03:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I like the candidate's answers to 4.1 and 10, which indicate an ability to reflect and learn from their mistakes. Also, I haven't looked at the templates specifically, but I like the template work cited by User talk:Ritchie333. Airbornemihir (talk) 18:24, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. This is useful editor. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, a trusted editor. SarahSV (talk) 21:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support absolutely, a long time coming. Convincing answer on Q10 as well. SITH (talk) 21:29, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support and happy to have the opportunity. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 22:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, working in areas that are difficult without the full toolkit for so long is something to be lauded, looks like a sensible editor who will be a plus amongst the mopsters. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – valuable addition. Cavalryman (talk) 00:49, 23 January 2020 (UTC).
- Support. 4550 mainspace edits is good. AfD accuracy is very high, !votes seem OK, the high proportion of "delete" !votes is surely a simple selection bias. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I got to know QEDK a bit during SPI clerk training and occasionally on some Arbitration related matters. While we have not necessarily agreed on absolutely everything, I have found QEDK's input thoughtful and helpful. I think QEDK would make a fine administrator. Mkdw talk 02:21, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Oh, hell yeah. ~Swarm~ {sting} 03:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, has a clue, great candidate. Gleeanon409 (talk) 06:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, WP:NOBIGDEAL. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, will be fine. Fish+Karate 11:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - experienced editor. Tolly4bolly 11:28, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - no concerns, will be an asset. Carcharoth (talk) 13:35, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Good luck! Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: Some of the oppose comments gave me pause. However I think the candidate will address those concerns. QEDK is a net positive - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:34, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - will be a strong net positive for the project. CThomas3 (talk) 18:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Muboshgu (talk) 22:16, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I've seen them around and only seen good work. Clear net positive. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here)(click me!) 23:15, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Clueful, good RfC closures. Neutralitytalk 23:47, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I actually thought this user was already an administrator. Definite net positive; plus, we need more administrators. (On that note, I also regret not voting on the RFA that closed earlier today.) Aoi (青い) (talk) 01:23, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Suport Sro23 (talk) 06:18, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Suppport. And congratulations on your becoming a 10-year vet this upcoming May! PI Ellsworth ed. put'r there 09:59, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Suppport. As above. Loopy30 (talk) 13:25, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Oppose
- Oppose, per criteria. GregJackP Boomer! 19:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, per handling and answering to Q4 re the G11 at the time of my !vote here: [6]. The CSD of a long standing article is generally not to be preferred and when it is at WP:AFD it can almost be seen as an attempt to !supervote bypassing, albeit there will be admin scrutiny, and that CSD at AfD is permitted. Problems with the answer includes not noting historic versions has been considered, not considering it was at AfD and not considering the article was retained after improvement. Would like to see a lack of concerns in the CSD/AfD this area over a period of six months when I might support a renom. Although I oppose I note others of standing support the candidate so candidate is likely doing a lot of good work and wish to support candidate generally in that; I just consider this area to be important.Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:51, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Poor understanding of the deletion system, as brought out by the questions by SoWhy & Phil Bridger, especially in concert with limited content contributions (eg started two stubs & a start in 2019). I'm particularly unimpressed with the speedy–prod–AfD in May–June 2019 on Nail H. Ibragimov, a mathematician whose notability is apparent from the start. Espresso Addict (talk) 19:29, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Espresso Addict. I cannot support a candidate who does not appear to have a firm grasp of our speedy deletion policies. P-K3 (talk) 23:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Espresso Addict. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose I agree with the concerns shared by the above. My own searches (e.g. recent CSD of Utpal Shanghvi Global School (While an AfD was on),
Jim Boucherand others) leads me to think that the candidate cannot be fully trusted with admin tools at this time. I do believe that we should have more admins from other time zones, but that should not come at the cost of quality of adminship. If the RfA succeeds, I would suggest the user to not use the admin bits in speedy deletions.--DBigXrayᗙ 18:10, 21 January 2020 (UTC) (updated) 19:34, 21 January 2020 (UTC)- Hello DBigXray, can you tell me the issue with my CSD nomination of Jim Boucher, if that's alright with you? --qedk (t 桜 c) 18:15, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, struck. I failed to notice this was another version. The deleted version is not visible to me. --DBigXrayᗙ 18:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- No worries! --qedk (t 桜 c) 18:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- I checked it, and can confirm it was obvious promotion. Definitely a good G11 tag. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Boucher is already struck. Thanks for checking the deleted version. In addition to the CSDs, there are problems with AfDs as well. Superficially the AfD log looks quite impressive, but digging deep into all the votes in AfDs of last six months I find most being piling up /WP:JUSTAPOLICY type votes. AfD/2019 Hauz Qazi clash was interesting case that was spammed with Keep from IPs/SPAs and QEDK also piled on with a keep but all other experienced editors unanimously voted Delete. --DBigXrayᗙ 20:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- I fail to see your point. WP:AADD is just an arbitrary collection of arguments that some editors think other editors should avoid, there is no reason to think that's a valid argument for stating any argument in a certain way. It is not a bad essay but to follow it blindly without a grain of salt is cause for concern. WP:JUSTAPOLICY is probably the most fallacious, since while writing a reasonable summary can help, if you do not point out which exact policy the article is failing or passing, it is probably equivalent to saying "I want to keep/delete this article" without stating the reason why this encyclopedia should keep or not keep it. I also categorically contest your claim that most of my votes are pile-on, here's just a spot check of the most recent five:
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Veena Nandakumar (did not just a policy, did not pile-on, first vote)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Telecel Group (did not just cite a policy, did not pile-on, second vote)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vishalgoswami (did not just cite policy, did not pile-on, first vote)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peshawar Model Degree Colleges (Boys-Girls) (did not just cite policy, did not pile-on, first vote)
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asen Albayrak (cited the single-most relevant SNG, did not pile-on, second vote)
- It is possible that some of my very old votes at AfD are pile-on, but I've never done so in a manner that is against policy, I also do not see the general argument in dissing all pile-on votes (although stat-padding is legitimate concern), every editor cannot be the first or second to make an argument or vote in an AfD. Coming to address your concern about the AfD you cited, multiple experienced editors were also on the "Keep" side of the arguments, some of them switched sides later, I just never returned to the AfD. I just considered it to be of general newsworthiness at the time I was aware of the news reports (which gradually turned out to be pretty much nothing), I just didn't go back to change my vote even though the general incident had died down, since I was preoccupied with other things. I do not appreciate the insinuations you make when you state
..was interesting case that was spammed with Keep from IPs/SPAs and QEDK also piled on with a keep..
, I'd rather appreciate you state your concerns directly and I'll be sure to clear it up for you. --qedk (t 桜 c) 21:11, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- I fail to see your point. WP:AADD is just an arbitrary collection of arguments that some editors think other editors should avoid, there is no reason to think that's a valid argument for stating any argument in a certain way. It is not a bad essay but to follow it blindly without a grain of salt is cause for concern. WP:JUSTAPOLICY is probably the most fallacious, since while writing a reasonable summary can help, if you do not point out which exact policy the article is failing or passing, it is probably equivalent to saying "I want to keep/delete this article" without stating the reason why this encyclopedia should keep or not keep it. I also categorically contest your claim that most of my votes are pile-on, here's just a spot check of the most recent five:
- Boucher is already struck. Thanks for checking the deleted version. In addition to the CSDs, there are problems with AfDs as well. Superficially the AfD log looks quite impressive, but digging deep into all the votes in AfDs of last six months I find most being piling up /WP:JUSTAPOLICY type votes. AfD/2019 Hauz Qazi clash was interesting case that was spammed with Keep from IPs/SPAs and QEDK also piled on with a keep but all other experienced editors unanimously voted Delete. --DBigXrayᗙ 20:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, struck. I failed to notice this was another version. The deleted version is not visible to me. --DBigXrayᗙ 18:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello DBigXray, can you tell me the issue with my CSD nomination of Jim Boucher, if that's alright with you? --qedk (t 桜 c) 18:15, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per [7] That's a non-admin closure of something which is inches away from ANI, far from "consensus".
WT:WikiProject Ships#Capitalisation (yet again)
Talk:Motor Torpedo Boat#Requested move 12 January 2020
Talk:Motor Torpedo Boat#Requested move 20 October 2013
Andy Dingley (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC) - Oppose Very low article creation, and high delete !votes count at AfD and a rather uninspiring 25% participation in main space. An administrator should be a content and editor protector: creating content and protecting content shows that an editor is here for that purpose. We are creating an encyclopedia. Lightburst (talk) 01:01, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose This user is experienced, however this is as per the concerns regarding deletion above and although this user wants to help out in SPI, they handled an SPI case I opened a few years ago rather poorly in my view. I was unsure whether to support or oppose at first but these issues are rather concerning, enough so to oppose. Sorry. Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 11:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Neutral
- Neutral. The answers to Q4 are too disturbing to support this comfortably. The candidate seems to have completely missed the fact that speedy deletion is only applicable if all revisions are eligible for speedy deletion and with the G11 example, they spent a lot of time analyzing the current state at the time of their tagging but no time on the state it was before. With the A7 one, I expected a clear acknowledgment that anyone except the creator can in good faith remove a speedy tag, even if it was correct. That said, the candidacy looks solid otherwise and the candidate has indicated no desire to venture into CSD anytime soon and appears capable enough to learn the required skills. Regards SoWhy 18:25, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral doesn't meet my content creation expectations and am also concerned about the answers to Q4. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 04:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral leaning to support I am a bit concern with the mistake made to nominate Nail H. Ibragimov for deletion, as I found it a bit hasty. Otherwise, it seems that the candidate has a solid history on SPI and will be a good addition. Lulusword (talk) 12:32, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
General comments
- Oh... just amused that NinjaRobotPirate believes adminship to be a promotion. LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I see the point. However, in the context of SPI, where QEDK can't yet see deleted revisions and has to ask for action instead of being able to implement it, it's probably a very useful technical promotion indeed. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Britishfinance, Winged Blades of Godric, both of you have stated that they are from India/SE Asia. May I know from where does this info come from? Their userpage does not say anything, did they declare this elsewhere ? --DBigXrayᗙ 21:44, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I am not very comfortable answering this, absent self-disclosures. ∯WBGconverse 12:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- DBigXray, read the userpage again, more carefully this time. Cabayi (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Winged Blades of Godric, I was curious to know if they had already disclosed it somewhere, that I am not aware of. If the candidate has not publicly disclosed it, then the linking in your
commentvote above was inappropriate in itself. Cabayi, Thank you. Got it. DBigXrayᗙ 17:46, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Winged Blades of Godric, I was curious to know if they had already disclosed it somewhere, that I am not aware of. If the candidate has not publicly disclosed it, then the linking in your
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Nick Moyes
Final: (180/3/3) - Closed as successful by Acalamari at 21:48, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Nomination
Nick Moyes (talk · contribs) – If you're not familiar with the work of Nick Moyes, it is my great pleasure to introduce him to you. I first looked into Nick sometime about a year ago, and everything I saw was and has been stellar. He's got a lot of experience at AIV and UAA alongside a killer AfD percentage, but I'd like to talk more about how incredibly thoughtful Nick is. Whether it's excellent and well informed arguments at AfD or extensive help at the teahouse, he's got a good sense for the values that are important and a kind, level head that I always appreciate hearing from. You can see the signs at his ORCP from nearly two years ago - this is a long time coming.
Nick always makes an effort to explain himself at AfD, and does well and with clear understanding of policies and what makes this project good. This is one of the first I noticed, but there are plenty recent examples that show considered attention to the important and relevant factors and policies at AfD. He's honest and transparent, and, my word, is he just excellent with new folks. Nick is a prolific Teahouse contributor, and his ORCP responses cited his great work there. I've got a few favorite examples (1, 2, 3) of superb help for folks that went above-and-beyond the necessary, but what's rare for many is the norm for Nick; this is his typical behavior and it's exactly what we want in a sysop. He's a kind and thoughtful editor who has the right values and commitment with a wealth of experience; he'd be a huge help with the sysop tools on day one, so I hope you'll join me in supporting this request. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:56, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Co-nomination
It's been a long time coming, but good administrator candidates wait until they're absolutely ready, and so it is with Nick. I originally approached him two years ago when I suggested his useful comments and polite demeanour meant he should give RfA a go. His AfD track record is one of the best I have seen in any candidate here - out of over 250 debates, he matched consensus more than 90% of the time (well over, if discounting "no consensus" closes, and what's left over is largely "noise" like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPhone 11), and that's with a significant chunk of "keep" !votes such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frederick Goold. He is capable of writing a significant amount of content, such as the GA Mont Blanc massif, creating Émile Rey from scratch, and graciously helping out at Coropuna, where he politely but regrettably opposed its promotion to FA. He's one of the most prolific contributors to the Teahouse, and regularly helps out there - no less an authority than Cullen328 is happy to trust his judgement; what better endorsement of his polite and helpful treatment to newbies could one ask for? Many of you will have seen him on project and policy pages, helpfully giving his opinion and frequently making insightful comments. He's also not afraid to criticise our existing policies and help pages where appropriate and suggest alternatives, such as User:Nick Moyes/Easier Referencing for Beginners. In short, Nick has all the attributes we want in an administrator - a strong understanding of policy, a civil and polite attitude, and an ability to diffuse difficult situations and keep the project moving forward. He has my full support for RfA and I hope you agree. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Co-nomination
I first came across Nick, as many others do, giving advice to newbies at the teahouse. I cannot recall the precise instance (he has made over 2500 edits there) but I do remember being impressed with the patience and policy knowledge he demonstrated. After investigating his background, I found he also has a stellar record at AfD, where he could make good use of the tools. He has also done some solid content work, with a majority of his contributions being to mainspace, and while he largely avoid the drama boards, on the few occasions he has ventured there it is to make a thoughtful and perceptive comment. I suggested he request a mop some five months ago, and I'm glad he's decided to take the plunge. I hope you will join me in supporting his request. Vanamonde (Talk) 23:52, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept this nomination and, as my userpage COI declaration states, yes, I realise with hindsight that I did do paid editing when I started back in 2010. I was a professional museum curator and, purely on my own volition, I chose to create content about topics I had expertise and resources on (e.g. Matlockite). I was at the end of my museum career, and the start of my Wikipedia one. I admit I had no idea in those early days that editing without a clear declaration was against policy; my apologies for that. I left the museum profession in March 2011. More recently, I have accepted small fees for lecturing on Wikipedia, or expenses for helping to run Editathons, but I would never take any form of payment for editing which could conceivably be construed as a conflict of interest. In 2017 I created an alternative account (User:NM Demo) in order to test and create screenshots as a teaching resource, or for Commons.
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: I am currently most active helping new users at the Teahouse and monitoring Special:RecentChanges for bad faith edits. At the former I would find it useful to be able to view deleted content in order to help editors understand why their work has been removed, or to take further action if necessary. In anti-vandalism, being able to directly block vandals (after relevant warnings), responding to reports at WP:AIV or WP:UAA would be helpful. I would learn how to revdel personal content that inexperienced users have unwittingly posted about themselves (prior to requesting a follow-up by oversight), or other edits that are grossly offensive or which breach copyright (per WP:CRD), as not every admin I’ve sought help from has been familiar with the process.
- As my experience/confidence grows as an admin, I would look to develop skills in other areas. I would probably monitor some of the simpler sections at CAT:ADMINBACKLOG, and continue watching and learning at WP:ANI and at WP:AN for areas I could contribute to, and would continue some involvement at WP:AFD. Longer term, I’m aware that copyright and DYK needs more admin input and, further still, I find SPI/checkuser work of potential interest, but know nothing about it right now. I would, of course, seek to fully understand any new process before contributing, and would follow guidance and seek help, as appropriate. As I see it, the purpose of using relevant parts of the toolset is to both protect the encyclopaedia and to support and encourage editors in their efforts to create good content that everyone can access.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: I have tried to contribute across a broad spectrum of Wikipedia activities, so as to learn as much as I can. In 2011 I was proud of making Derby Museum and Art Gallery the first UK provincial museum to introduce QRpedia codes to a public gallery (with honourable mentions by both Jimbo Wales (link) and Wittylama). See my user page for relevant videos.
- In 2016 I took this simple list of alpine summits and turned it into a GA status article about the Mont Blanc massif. It was a labour of love, and I also created the map graphics. Doing so taught me a lot, and also enabled me to intellectually revisit many of the range's glaciers and major summits that I had scaled over a mountaineering career spanning thirty years. (I will be taking the article back for FA review later this year.)
- I have been proud for the last two years to be able to contribute as one of the helpful, friendly and supportive faces of Wikipedia at the Teahouse, and have also adopted two excellent, committed new editors under WP:AAU. One was a schoolgirl; the other is a retired geology professor. I do my best to support, protect and encourage young editors, sometimes requiring a few firm words. I find it sad when some go too far and end up blocked, so I do try my best to advise and steer where I can. Guiding and helping others to learn is something I find hugely satisfying, and in that way am proud to do my bit to encourage the next generation of Wikipedia editors and potential administrators. Without them our project will stagnate.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I try to be a calm, supportive editor, assuming WP:AGF. I have little interest in editing on politics/living people/sports/popular culture (preferring the sciences or geography), so my own content creation rarely gets me into conflict. But one can hardly avoid minor conflicts or exasperation when doing administrative chores, such as preventing vandalism, removing POV editing, or trying to be fair but firm to new editors who fail to understand what they're doing is not OK (example thread).
- I have only been really stressed once in my ten years here, but that was because I was the one to make a serious error of judgement by wrongly (and repeatedly) accusing another editor of adding copyrighted content whilst I was otherwise helping them at the Teahouse. A second experienced editor supported my accusation. So, I was mortified when a third editor pointed out they were innocent on that matter. After checking and realising my mistake, I made strenuous efforts, both at the Teahouse see full thread and on their talk page to directly apologise. It’s irrelevant that the editor was blocked as a sock soon after; I was in the wrong, and I could not rest until I had tried to make amends for my mistake. It was a valuable lesson in AGF, and I have tried to be extra careful since then. But when I make mistakes I will always say sorry.
- Of the very few conflicts I encounter, most if not all result through monitoring Special:RecentChanges and reverting vandalism or bad edits. In March 2018 I came close to an edit war with an IP editor over their repeated removal of all content, bar one short sentence, about the ship, Naeraberg. Initially it seemed like blanking or vandalism, and both times I reverted, leaving templated warnings with additional explanatory comments, but soon realised the IP was asserting the article had conflated information on two ships of identical name, and thus it had become a complex content dispute. I deleted my warnings and reinstated the blanked content with a clear edit summary and started investigating. I then explained my concerns directly on the IP editor's talk page (diff), outlining my concern about edit warring; the need to discuss, plus my intent to reinstate the content one final time to permit talk page discussion about it. Having posted my concerns on the article's Talk Page (diff), I added back the blanked content once more, plus a 'disputed' template template. I also pinged an editor and contacted an admin (diff) both of whom previously worked on the article, explaining to the admin my concerns about 3RR. Next day, the IP blanked content again, thus breaching WP:3RR. As I would have too, I backed off, leaving this dummy edit, and relied on subsequent article talk page discussion to resolve the matter, which it eventually did with the involvement of more knowledgeable editors.
- I have, of course, had the odd foul-mouthed abuse (dealt with in this thread), and implied threats (now revdeled), but these are easily handled by remaining calm and polite, waiting a while before replying, and following procedure. As for the future, I hope my attitudes to others won’t change. I have signed up to WP:OFWV and I will apologise whenever I foul up. I'm prepared to call out another editor if I see our standards slipping, and I hope others will treat me likewise.
You may ask optional questions below. There is a limit of two questions per editor. Multi-part questions disguised as one question, with the intention of evading the limit, are disallowed. Follow-up questions relevant to questions you have already asked are allowed.
- Additional question from LindsayH
- 4. As you are so active at the Teahouse (a place i confess i'm not sure i've ever visited), i hope you have an opinion: What is the best thing we can do to encourage new editors to stay and be active? I'm wondering about either "we" the community or each of us as individuals. Thank you.
- A: Thank you for your question. If you seek just one short answer, I would have to say it is: “be supportive to new editors”.
- Going further, I would ask individual editors always to try their best always to understand the newcomer’s perspective in this strange and complex place and assume good faith. Most, but not all, editors come here with the aspiration of improving this encyclopaedia; not scaring them away is paramount to them staying around as useful contributors. First impressions really count. So welcoming, guiding and offering help or support is crucial. Here is a recent example where I approached a new female editor, specifically with a view of making them feel welcome and sticking around. Not befuddling new users with complex acronyms, or assuming that they know all the rules, and not leaving overly harsh templated messages for minor errors is paramount to them staying around and active. Giving ‘thanks’ for a constructive edit is also part of a positive feedback loop, though I confess I probably don’t do that as often as I could.
- As a community, the best thing "we" can do is to set a good example by the way we interact with one another (WP:5P4 and WP:BITE apply here). We could do more to keep our help and guidance pages up-to-date, succinct and accessible (the 2017 WMF switch to "Publish changes" was a bit of mess, which took some cleaning up). Supporting and enhancing our resources like WP:HD; WP:TH, WP:WER and even WP:AAU, and supporting research into editor welcoming and retention are also important.
- I could write an essay on this subject as it is dear to my heart! I am happy to expand more, should you wish.
- Additional question from Reyk
- 5. In your opinion, what is the most important policy on Wikipedia and why?
- A:The short answer is Wikipedia:Verifiability.
- I say this because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia which collates and presents factual statements, published elsewhere, about Notable subjects. We do not publish original research nor promote unfounded stories and allegations. Thus, everything that we place here must be checkable by any user, wherever they may be. From that one essential policy (WP:V) stems many other key policies. The next most important ones of which I would say are WP:BLP (to protect living people from falsehoods), WP:NPOV to ensure the content we present to readers is unbiased and reliable, and WP:COPYRIGHT to protect the legal rights of others.
- Additional question from John M Wolfson
- 6. An editor creates an article on an elementary school that entirely comprises material copied and pasted from that school's website. What criterion for speedy deletion applies, and in particular which criterion/a do(es) not apply?
- A:: I will answer this in two ways if I may, John? First, I’ll specifically address your question, then I’d like to explain how I would hope to act on seeing such an article put up for speedy deletion.
- Of greatest concern is the potential copyright infringement. If a check of the school’s website showed no CC_BY_SA release statement, the content is unacceptable for Wikipedia.
- WP:G12 (Unambiguous copyright infringement) is therefore the most appropriate speedy deletion criterion.
- The following are other criteria which, in descending order of likelihood, might - under very specific circumstances - also be added to create a ‘multiple’ reasoned CSD nomination.
- WP:G11 (Unambiguous advertising or promotion) - depending upon what had been copied over.
- WP:G4 (Recreation of a page deleted per a deletion discussion) might apply if the content were very similar to a previously AFD-ed page about this school.
- WP:G5 (Creation by a banned/blocked user)
- WP:G7 (Author asks for deletion) – i.e. they’ve realised their error in creating the page and want it removing.
- None of the other CSD General criteria would apply to this article, i.e.patent nonsense (WP:G1); a test page (WP:G2); a hoax (WP:G3); a technical deletion (WP:G6); Office action (WP:G9); harassment (WP:G10); abandoned pages (WP:G13), or irrelevant DAB page (WP:G14).
- Only one of the CSD ‘Article’ criteria could apply here. Most obviously, CSD A7 for organisations might be thought to apply, but this criterion specifically excludes educational institutions, which are defined on that page as including elementary/primary schools. CSD A10 might apply, but only if the page under consideration is a recently created duplicate of an existing page about the same school which we already have here because it meets our WP:NORG criteria.
- However, had you asked me how I would actually handle seeing this speedy deletion nomination, I could have replied that I would be acting quite reasonably under our CSD policy simply to speedy delete the page if I deemed it fell within my explanation of acceptable CSD criteria, given above. But a far better approach would be to follow WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES and do a little research. Assuming no clear notability for this particular school can be found, I would WP:REDIRECT the page to the relevant district school authority page (assuming that is easily findable). Either way, I would then WP:REVDEL the copyrighted content (per WP:CRD) and warn the page creator with a single-use {{uw-copyright}} notice. I might also look through their other page creations and recent contributions to check for similar infringements of our policies and take and necessary action.
- Additional question from Nosebagbear
- 7. Thanks for your answer to Q4. As a Teahouse pro, is there anything you'd like to see change there, or do you think it's ticking overly smoothly as-is? Nosebagbear (talk) 23:50, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- A:The short answer is that I think the Teahouse is actually ticking over pretty smoothly, right now. The key thing is that we remain friendly and helpful, and directly welcome every single new user individually. And we’ve been getting some brilliant new hosts joining recently, too.
- TL;DR: I was invited to contribute at the Teahouse by Cullen328 back in 2017, and I really am so grateful for that as I have learned so much there. But I also felt a number of things needed sorting out; it had got a bit clunky. Most obviously, there were large numbers of ‘Hosts’ listed who hadn’t edited in years or not contributed there for ages. We had a 'Guest profile' page which must have caused confusion whenever we told people “we don’t have profiles on Wikipedia”, and we had some unclear templates, a faulty 'Ask a question' script, and a link to an archive that ceased archiving in 2015! Aware of the Teahouse's history and development, I was a little trepidacious about barging in and changing stuff unilaterally (I still am!), so I listed some proposals for change on the Teahouse talk page, and over the next 12 months or so I or others implemented many of the key ones.
- What would I like to see change? Well, I think the sequential numbering system we use for our archives is unhelpful for new users. I would prefer a Month+Year-based archive, as used at the HelpDesk. I feel new users would be able to find their old threads more easily (we archive after c. 3 days of thread inactivity). But I suspect changing over now would neither be easy nor practical, nor necessarily gain consensus, and that’s fine. I’ve long wanted to rewrite the target of the big “Learn more about the Teahouse” button on that page’s header. It currently goes here, whereas it needs a much friendlier page for new users to read, with that page just being one one link from it. (I have a few other suggestions which I would like to put forward but, as my free time is limited, I've not yet had a chance to discuss them with fellow hosts, so would prefer not to expand upon them here first, if that's OK? However, I'd be happy to ping you should I ever decide to post them at WT:TH.)
- Additional question from Interstellarity
- 8. Do you think having the administrative tools will help you help others at the Teahouse? If so, how?
- A: Yes, I do think it would be helpful at times. But it’s clearly not essential in order to be a good Teahouse Host. The Teahouse gets quite a few new users seeking an explanation as to why one page or another has been deleted. Whilst we can always repeat the deleting admin's rationale, I think there may well be times when it could be helpful to view contents of a deleted page in order to give a more nuanced explanation.
- In addition, there are times when direct action has been taken by hosts who are also administrators. Such reasons include
- Someone reporting threats by another editor (thread)
- Blocking reported vandals/semi-protecting a page (diff)
- Blocking users with a promotional username. (diff1 2)
- Dealing with block evasion (diff)
- Helping to protecting editors (especially youngsters) by removing and revdeling personal details and contact details added to their pages. (No diffs, but I have had cause to directly email a number of sysops, as indicated in my response at Q1, para 1.)
- Additional question from Andrew D.
- 9. You're especially interested in plants. What are your views on the naming of plant articles, please? For example, horse chestnut redirects to Aesculus. WP:FLORA was disputed around 2008, I believe, so you may have missed that debate.
- A: Yes, I am a botanist (though I do not edit many Wikipedia plant articles, having got a little burned out from 20 years of researching and publishing a Flora myself! I joined Wikipedia in 2010).
- English Wikipedia is universally accessible, so the scientific binomial naming system, developed by Carl Linneaus in the 1750s, is also universally recognised, understood and used around the world. It is used even in places where non-Latin script is normal (e.g. 1 2). In contrast, however, 'common names', such as 'horse-chestnut', are really just popular local names, often referring to more than one species. Different parts of the English-speaking world may well use a multitude of different names for exactly the same taxon (i.e. species). We even use different names in the same country![6]
- Having articles directing to titles using plant vernacular names is generally very unwise in my view, and also somewhat discriminatory towards a western-centric view of plant names. When I co-wrote my Flora, we took great care to index the text with multiple common names, pointing the reader to the same Latin-name entry. Likewise, Wikipedia users need to be able to find the content they are looking for via suitable WP:REDIRECTs, no matter which 'common name' they use locally for that species. Whilst certain genera like Aesculus or Quercus are pretty much known worldwide as 'horse-chestnuts' and 'oaks', most others definitely are not (e.g. the different use of 'bluebell' between England and Scotland is a classic example we use this side of the pond). Directing articles to the one universal scientific name seems highly logical for a universally available encyclopaedia. And having a few articles on genera using common names, and others inevitably using the genus name would be a nightmare, especially when the next level down - the species - is titled by its scientific name. We need uniformity and accessibility, and I believe Wikipedia has got it mostly right.
- I intentionally gave you my view, as you asked. But having now re-visited WP:FLORA, and skimmed all too briefly through the huge 2008/2009 discussion I still support where we are now. It makes sense to have DAB pages using common names, and certain articles on key species like apple to have the popular name as the main title. The vast majority should definitely direct to their current scientific name.
References
- ^ Candidates were restricted to editors with an extended confirmed account following the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I § Proposal 25: Require nominees to be extended confirmed.
- ^ Voting was restricted to editors with an extended confirmed account following the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I § Proposal 14: Suffrage requirements.
- ^ The initial two discussion-only days are a trial measure agreed on following Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I#Proposal 3b: Make the first two days discussion-only (trial). It applies to the first five RfAs opened on or after 24 March 2024, excluding those closed per WP:SNOW or WP:NOTNOW, or until 25 September 2024 – whichever is first.
- ^ The community determined this in a May 2019 RfC.
- ^ Historically, there has not been the same obligation on supporters to explain their reasons for supporting (assumed to be "per nom" or a confirmation that the candidate is regarded as fully qualified) as there has been on opposers.
- ^ Grigson, Geoffrey (1974). A Dictionary of English Plant Names. London: Allen Lane. ISBN 978-0-7139-0442-0.
- Additional question from John from Idegon
- 10 First, thank you Nick for stepping up, and thank you very much for rebooting the inactive WP:ADOPTION program. Along that line, please discuss what we are doing and what we can do better as far as introducing newcomers to Wikipedia. Thanks.
- A:Thank you for your question, John. This is a holding reply, as I confess to being a little unsure whether you are asking me to address my thoughts purely towards the Adoption programme on English Wikipedia, and how I think we can work better in that particular area (and I can certainly do that), or whether you’d like me to expand on my answer to Q4 above and talk more broadly about what 'we' (as English Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation) as a whole are doing to attract new editors. I will start to draft a reply focusing on the Adopt-A-User and related mentoring schemes, including Edit-a-thons, but could you clarify a little further what you seek? I will then do my best to answer as best as I can, but a broader answer will take some research, as my own personal experience of some areas of outreach is inevitably limited.
- Nick Moyes, I am looking for your insight as to what you think works best to help us retain new editors. Personally, I think adoption is the best thing we've ever had, but I am biased, as I was adopted. You've certainly seen some reply I've made to a new editor that starts, "We all had misconceptions when we started, so don't feel bad, but...". Can you think of anything that would help address that? John from Idegon (talk) 22:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- My apologies for the delay in replying, John.
- My short answer to your question is that I believe the Teahouse is now the most effective means of ensuring we encourage and retain brand new editors. The expectations of the Teahouse (see here) of being welcoming and supportive still make it stand out from all the other more routine contacts that most new editors may encounter, and it has been doing that successfully since 2012. Adoption still has a role to play in editor retention and development, but is very time-intensive, and the scheme desperately needs a rethink as to the type of editors it should aim at, and how it goes about it.
- Nick Moyes, I am looking for your insight as to what you think works best to help us retain new editors. Personally, I think adoption is the best thing we've ever had, but I am biased, as I was adopted. You've certainly seen some reply I've made to a new editor that starts, "We all had misconceptions when we started, so don't feel bad, but...". Can you think of anything that would help address that? John from Idegon (talk) 22:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- A:Thank you for your question, John. This is a holding reply, as I confess to being a little unsure whether you are asking me to address my thoughts purely towards the Adoption programme on English Wikipedia, and how I think we can work better in that particular area (and I can certainly do that), or whether you’d like me to expand on my answer to Q4 above and talk more broadly about what 'we' (as English Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation) as a whole are doing to attract new editors. I will start to draft a reply focusing on the Adopt-A-User and related mentoring schemes, including Edit-a-thons, but could you clarify a little further what you seek? I will then do my best to answer as best as I can, but a broader answer will take some research, as my own personal experience of some areas of outreach is inevitably limited.
- TL;DR answer: In the real world, most of us identify what we think works best, whether or not we are actually right in that belief. It's all we can do. Luckily there have been a number of academic studies which confirm that the Teahouse definitely makes a positive impact on editor retention (1; 2; 3). Having direct evidence to support and steer how we operate really is valuable, and research by WMF staff and others is still ongoing on how to enhance it further.
- Because, every day, 300 out of c.2000 new editors receive an invitation to the Teahouse, the forum has considerable reach. Over the last 30 days, the Teahouse answered 470 requests for help, and each visitor is politely welcomed and usually get their questions answered quite swiftly. They’re also liable to get a Teahouse Talkback message to say they’ve had a reply. It’s rare to have more than one question at a time being asked, and hosts often go well beyond what’s expected, perhaps encouraging some editors on their own userpages, or even suggesting or offering adoption. Sometimes unusual requests for help ring alarm bells, and may lead to an investigation. Issues such as promotional usernames, WP:COI, undeclared WP:PAID editing, WP:COPYVIO and sock-puppetry are commonly exposed (example).
- Anyone can respond to questions there – and quite a few relatively new users do, which is great to see. Any editor with over 500 mainspace edits is also welcome to add their name as a ‘Teahouse host’; we simply ask them to sign up to follow our principles. Hat collectors or non-active editors do get removed from that informal listing. There are always improvements that could be made to any successful scheme, and I’m sure the Teahouse is no exception. I think we should ask ourselves whether the wording of our invitations could be bettered. Some while back I designed this welcome template for Teahouse questioners who express an interest in editing articles about women, and I would love to see a better Teahouse welcome containing useful links in the same vein. One day when I have time, perhaps....
- Like you, I feel that direct contact between a brand new editor and someone with a welcoming supportive manner, and who is prepared to spend time to support and guide them, is absolutely critical to bringing them onboard and setting them on their way. I think Adoption is also the best way to put a metaphorical 'arm’ around a new editor and to guide them, but it is incredibly time-demanding and, in recent years, it has somewhat lost its purpose because of the development of the Help Desk, Teahouse and IRC help channels, with the near-instant responses.
- Although you kindly credited me with kickstarting the Adoption scheme, I don’t really feel that credit is deserved. There is a lot more I wanted to do there, but real world stuff has intervened over the last 18 months, so my ideas went on hold. My hope is to see it aiming solely at those genuinely committed new editors who have already shown evidence of sticking around and editing across multiple areas. Adoption has been prone to abuse by WP:SPA editors who simply want assistance to quickly create one article, before disappearing forever, and that’s a real waste of adopter effort. I feel AAU needs re-purposing and targeting, not at the cohort of brand new users that the Teahouse currently caters for so well, but at that next level up who have already been persuaded to stay and to contribute, but who could now be assisted to improve and contribute more effectively. I would cite my own two recent adoptees as perfect examples of that type of editor to whom I believe adoption is best-suited, one of whom has the makings of a good future administrator, should they be so inclined.
- For that reason I very rarely advocate Adoption at the Teahouse – in fact I actively urge my fellow hosts not to recommend it without very good reason. I would actually like to deprecate the
{{adopt me}}
template which I feel only raises false hopes, and I want to put the onus on those committed new users to take the initiative and to approach adopters directly. There’s more that I want to flesh out (see work in progress, but I feel WP:AAU ought to be in the back of every WP:TH or WP:HD respondent's mind when they engage with new editors who are clearly committed and we should encourage only those types of editors towards the Adoption scheme. It’s not for ‘total newbies’, in my view. That's what the Teahouse is there for. - Finally, mention should be made of Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention and Wikipedia:Welcoming committee and the opportunities to engage and encourage new users in the real world by means of Editathons, but I feel I've already produced a mini-essay in this reply.
Discussion
- Links for Nick Moyes: Nick Moyes (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
- Edit summary usage for Nick Moyes can be found here.
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.
Support
- Support - per noms, by people I know and trust. I'm not intimately familiar with the candidate, but I've seen them around the place and never known any issues. And what's described in the noms sounds great to me, assuming there are no skeletons in the cupboard... — Amakuru (talk) 21:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Will Make for an excellent admin. With so much concern over biting new editors, having someone so experienced with the Teahouse and welcoming new users would be a great benefit. RickinBaltimore (talk) 22:02, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- As nominator. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 22:04, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No issues that I can see. Deb (talk) 22:06, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Another hat for the stand! :p ——SN54129 22:11, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, as co-nom. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:14, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Not a jerk, has a clue. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support see this user an awful lot making valued contributions to the Teahouse! Willbb234Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 22:22, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support An experienced user. Will make a good sysop. NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 22:27, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:37, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support about 18 months overdue. I really appreciate candidate's answer to #3. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 22:39, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support This editor does good work at AfD and I appreciate their bend-over-backwards honesty in their acceptacne and responses above. That they do well at the Teahouse seals it for me. --
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22:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC) - Support,
no particular reason not to, and.A Teahouse-trained admin is definitely not going to become bitey Nosebagbear (talk) 22:50, 16 January 2020 (UTC)- I realise that my !vote was grossly insufficient. Nick Moyes is one of our most positive editors, whose answers to users show knowledge, tact, generosity and wisdom. I believe that were he to use the mop bucket purely for viewing deleted pages, that alone would let him add a significant contribution to Wikipedia. But his experience expands beyond that, and I see no reason his warm judgement will not be seen in any admin work he participates in elsewhere. Nosebagbear (talk) 10:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Nick Moyes has my strongest possible support. When I was a new editor, he was the first to welcome me, and he answered at least one of my questions at the Teahouse:[8][9]. In Febuary 2019, he became my adopter in WP:AAU. I graduated from his informal adoption program in December. If anyone is interested, this is the adoption page: [10] the page is more than 130,000 bytes, so it might take some time to load. I've come a long way since then. Nick goes above and beyond when it comes to helping others, and I don't think I would've been the same Wikipedia editor that I am today without his help. Nick has clue, is trustworthy, and is definitely a net positive. Clovermoss (talk) 22:52, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I imagine this sailing through without a hiccup, so allow me to say thank you for volunteering to help out with administrative tasks. -- Tavix (talk) 23:33, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per noms, has a clue. signed, Rosguill talk 23:35, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Thought he had the mop already, and I love the answer to Q3. Miniapolis 23:39, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support enthusiastically. Vexations (talk) 23:46, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Looks solid. No concerns. Cbl62 (talk) 23:54, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Strong support I have only ever been impressed by Nick, and our interactions have always been pleasant. His work with newbies is close to legendary. To be honest, I thought he already was an admin, so he clearly demonstrates the caliber of behavior and skills necessary. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 00:11, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I thought he was already one. Darylgolden(talk) Ping when replying 00:20, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Sounds lame, but I really was sure Nick was already an admin, and thought the RfA was some kind of fat-finger error. Britishfinance (talk) 00:37, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. This is the first time I have ever voted in any RFA election, ever. and Nick Moyes 110% worthy of being the first person to receive one's vote. he is absolutely needed. he will be a voice of moderation, insight, and sagacity. I have dealt with other admins, and some of them approach the role more neutrally than others. I heartily endorse Nick for this role. well done!!! --Sm8900 (talk) 00:52, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Nick Moyes constantly impresses me with his patience and empathy. I have nothing but admiration for him. I believe he'll be an outstanding admin. Schazjmd (talk) 01:16, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Trusted and experienced. - FitIndia Talk Commons 01:21, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Thought they were one already. OhKayeSierra (talk) 01:45, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Why not? -FASTILY 01:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Nick and I are both quite active Teahouse hosts and he is consistently friendly, helpful and accurate there. He is an outstanding candidate. Although I am a trifle embarrassed to be mentioned in Ritchie's nomination, he is correct that I trust and respect Nick. Joking, and on a personal note, Nick and I are both
elderlysenior citizen mountaineers, and we are therefore among the most trustworthy people imaginable. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:01, 17 January 2020 (UTC) - Support Per nominator. Per meets my standards. Net positive, to say the least. We can use more admins who are "consistently friendly, helpful and accurate". Unlikely to BITE new users. Sounds like someone we need more of.-(Almost fogot-- seen him around.)- Deepfriedokra 02:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Like Clovermoss, Nick Moyes has helped me become a productive editor and my interactions with him have always been positive. I have high hopes and confidence he will make an outstanding admin. Interstellarity (talk) 02:52, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I don't usually recognize a person's username when I look at one of these nominations, but I recognized Nick Moyes! I don't remember details, so I should mention that by "recognize" I mean I have a visceral/affective (body/feeling) memory associated with his name that is warm and positive. Yep, I'm supporting Nick's nomination to become an Administrator based on a warm and fuzzy feeling. If you think that's bunk, let me know, and I shall deluge your talk page with references to gobs of scientific references. ;^] (And I actually do remember some details, and they ain't just from the Teahouse.) - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man—traditional male pronouns are fine.) 03:21, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support against my own interests. I had finally got it into my head that Nick wasn't already a sysop and now I'm going to have to unlearn all that. But it's worth it given his knowledge and disposition. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:33, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support A productive, collegial editor who will use the mop well. SportingFlyer T·C 03:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Unhesitatingly. Solid editor with loads of helpful and productive edits. Loopy30 (talk) 03:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - collegial and has exhibited very good judgment. Would make an excellent admin. -Crossroads- (talk) 04:14, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I have run across Nick's good work. He has gained useful experience in admin areas, content creation and helping new editors. I am especially impressed with his help at the Teahouse and more generally with help and encouragement new users. I view his demeanor and helpful, collegial interactions with others as an important attribute for an administrator. I always consider this to be a very important trait. He has definitely established competence, and most importantly, trustworthiness. I am glad to support this RfA. Donner60 (talk) 05:14, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Yes please. As someone who has been at the Teahouse since the beginning, I can say without hesitation Nick is one of the (if not the) best hosts we've ever have. I consider great work at Teahouse to be one of the best indicators of future success as an admin. Admin is, after all, primarily a "people skills" job. Also, it's very easy to show one's competency on policy issues when you spend a good part of every day answering people's questions about policy interpretation. John from Idegon (talk) 05:53, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Clueful and levelheaded candidate. Always willing to explain things in detail for both long-term and new users alike. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:37, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Always nice to see another Teahouse regular run for adminship, and everything I’ve seen of Nick suggests he’ll do a great job. Hugsyrup 08:00, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Has clue, good answers. Sound candidate. - FlightTime (open channel) 08:08, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support precious helping new users --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Wikipedia's most valuable resource is our editors. Nick Moyes is currently the top Teahouse editor (within the last 50,000 edits), and their compassionate approach to communicating with new editors has undoubtedly improved editor retention. — Newslinger talk 10:16, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Happy days, LindsayHello 11:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Unlikely to be a disaster. What else is there to worry about? Nigej (talk) 11:21, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Good number of edits over time, and probably as much or more qualified than most who try for adminship. There's always a need for more admins, and Nick Moyes seems like they would be a fine administrator. Certainly can't hurt. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:45, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support as co-nom Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:05, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I am particularly impressed with Nick's recent conduct at User talk:Elenabesley. This is a textbook example of how to deal with new users, and should set an example for us all to follow. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:25, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - All I see is stellar work and a great accumulation of experience. Orphan Wiki 12:15, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I've seen nothing worrying from this candidate, and good answers to the questions. Reyk YO! 12:18, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support A mature and thoughtful individual who will make a good sysop. I particularly like his answer to question 4. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:19, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Sorry, we already have a good admin named Nick, we're not gonna have room for TWO good admins named Nick. 💴Money💶💵emoji💷Talk💸Help out at CCI! 12:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - great answers that demonstrate the kind of conduct we look for in our admins. I hope it's something that will not be lost because of complacency, impatience or bias. We need more admins who realize differences of opinion are a positive for the project, not a negative. Atsme Talk 📧 12:54, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I very rarely comment at RFAs but I am making an exception here. This is one of the best nominations I've seen in years. An excellent contributor, who understands that the future of Wikipedia requires the nurturing of new editors and has a strong reason for needing the tools to serve the project better. QuiteUnusual (talk) 13:06, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Has clue, net positive. shoy (reactions) 13:50, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Active at the TEAHOUSE, has clue, unfailingly polite and helpful. Lectonar (talk) 14:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- A million times yes per his excellent work as Teahouse host. –FlyingAce✈hello 14:16, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Clearly a net-positive to this project. --qedk (t 桜 c) 14:32, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Clue has been demonstrated and noms are trustworthy and convincing. While I generally agree with Chess that AFD stats are pointless, a quick review of his !votes shows that he is not a drive-by !voter who always votes with the majority but takes the time to justify each one carefully. Regards SoWhy 14:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I seem to come across this editor's work quite a lot, for some reason. Seems level-headed, has a clue and I've not seen them get involved in drama. A good candidate for the tools. Neiltonks (talk) 15:43, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I don't know nick personally, but I've seen him at teahouse and such, I think he is a wonderful editor who fully deserves the position Flalf (talk) 15:54, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support will be a net positive to the project. Also, appreciate the comment from the nominee on the 2nd oppose. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:55, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support He probably won't remember this, but I briefly interacted with this editor back in November of last year (when I first started on Wikipedia) he was very friendly and provided me with useful advice that I still use on Wikipedia today. I think he would make a great administrator. Omanlured (talk) 16:01, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Has done well at AfD, no issues. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 16:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, provided he is prepared to swear on a stack of PAG:s not to leave the Teahouse. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, good content creation, very helpful at the Teahouse and good AFD participation, not seeing any reason to oppose, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 16:46, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yep. — 🦊 16:51, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Should be fine despite the warning sign of a 90%+ "correct" percentage at AFD. —Kusma (t·c) 16:52, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support -- An excellent communicator who is knowledgeable of both content creation and WP policy. — CactusWriter (talk) 17:02, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. — sparklism hey! 17:03, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Clear need for the tools and I don't see any concerns.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:50, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Trusted and experienced editor, I see no red flags here, Easy support. –Davey2010Talk 18:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - no concerns. GiantSnowman 20:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, interacted with the candidate--Ymblanter (talk) 21:02, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. What an excellent choice for an admin! BD2412 T 21:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Fully qualified candidate. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:44, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Has earned my respect in our interactions. — BillHPike (talk, contribs) 21:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - trustworthy editor. PhilKnight (talk) 22:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Sound and solid editor. Is great with newbies and at adhering to the site's rules (with common sense, of course). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:32, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Not someone I interact with much. As far as I can determine, passes all of my semi-nitpicky RfA standards, and the disposition and noob-helping focus are a refreshing change from the usual candidates' patrolling and geeking and FA obsessing. :-) The two opposes I see are weak in my view. (I respect the right to have "1 FA or 2 GAs" personal standards, but I don't agree with the standard, even if I do agree with the "we need content-worker, encyclopedia-focused admins not drama-mongering wiki-cops" motivation for it. I also agree that XfD stats are not a good indicator of anything, but I cannot blame the candidate for a nominator's choice to dwell on them.) — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:22, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support When an editor is invariably civil, ready to ask for advice, and willing to apologize for mistakes, I'm not concerned about content creation. And it's hardly this editor's fault they've got such good AfD stats their noms all remark on it. --valereee (talk) 23:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Looks like a solid editor with no red or yellow flags. Likely to be a net positive with the tools. The two opposes are not persuasive. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support While I agree that conformity at AfD is not necessarily a good thing, Nick Moyes's contributions otherwise seem to be excellent. I think that he'll be a net positive. aboideautalk 02:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Of course, per above. Puddleglum 2.0 02:27, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Trusted and competent contributor, no reason to believe they're a risk for abusing or severely misusing the tools. – Juliancolton | Talk 02:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- HECK YES! Nick Moyes should have already been admin. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 03:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Overdue to be honest. Gizza (t)(c) 04:05, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support; the opposers in RfAs are just getting worse and worse. J947 (c), at 04:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Strong candidate based on what I've seen, happy to support. Kosack (talk) 08:07, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Per above. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 09:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support A fine editor and a fine person. --Hecato (talk) 09:26, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Wait, what - Nick's not an admin already? Must be a mistake, better fix that. GirthSummit (blether) 10:06, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - (yoda voice) net positive he will be! hmm! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:24, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Nick will be a great admin. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 13:56, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I've been offline for a couple of days, and when I come back I see three RfAs in progress. And each one is an obvious support just through seeing who the candidate is. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:35, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Long-term editor, decent content contributions, good with newcomers. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:03, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support for meeting my minimums and the oppose !votes seems to feel like, "I won't support someone who agrees with most of the people." Not very convincing, to me. Ifnord (talk) 18:52, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – I'm another user who was under the impression that Nick was already an admin, and don't have any concerns. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:29, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Good editor and supportive to WP:NEWBIES. userdude 21:33, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. No-brainer. Highly-qualified, experienced, and good at explaining things. Blythwood (talk) 22:00, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – it felt like a really obvious support since I have seen a lot of Nick Moyes and know him to be civil, clueful, and experienced. Even so I took some time to look through some of his contributions, and found no reason to change my mind. A good addition to the mop wielders. --bonadea contributions talk 22:55, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - No concerns whatsoever. Shellwood (talk) 23:20, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No concerns. -- ferret (talk) 23:56, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - this is an "I thought Nick already was an admin" situation. A long time asset to the 'pedia and the mop and pail will only increase that. MarnetteD|Talk 00:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support gladly. – bradv🍁 00:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - not a jerk, has a clue. L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per my criteria. Nick comes across as a balanced editor and content creator. -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:10, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support thought Nick was already an admin Zingarese talk · contribs 04:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – No concerns. EdJohnston (talk) 06:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Triaging through the current RfA's I've checked some of candidates answers and found a couple of things I like, spot check of a couple of AfD's seem reasonable, is being supported by people I somewhat trust too and nothing in the current opposes concern me ... so while I've not given full scrutiny I'm most happy to support.Djm-leighpark (talk) 07:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - good candidate. JohnThorne (talk) 08:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support excellent candidate, great contributions. ϢereSpielChequers 09:05, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. I've seen the candidate's work at the Teahouse, and I see no real issues raised to oppose for. I mean... how is an "implicit endorsement" a reason to cast an oppose vote? Even if the good faith we're willing to assume is fall, the business of getting a high AfD percentage by observing how discussions look like just before closure is educational of and by itself. Airbornemihir (talk) 12:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Will be responsible with the tools. S0091 (talk) 13:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Have seen him around and got the impression of a very articulate, detail orientated, person who understands why we are here. Also we need more administrators, and although a straight happily married male, especially of the ruggedly handsome type! Ceoil (talk) 14:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Great work at the Teahouse. Would make good use of the tools. the wub "?!" 14:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I've never seen any problems with their edits when I've come across them, and looking now, particularly at the nominators and other supports cast, I see a very large number of people I trust supporting him. Doug Weller talk 14:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I was planning to support, and then looked at the Opposes. I am puzzled, because I don't see where agreeing with other editors is the main reason for support, only a minor reason, and agreeing with other editors on AFD is not a reason to support or oppose. So support anyway. It looks like the Oppose voters are grabbing at straws or something. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- A welcome addition. El_C 18:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No reason to think this user would abuse the tools. --rogerd (talk) 19:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, nothing to worry about it seems.
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19:22, 19 January 2020 (UTC) - Support Mcampany (talk) 23:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Nick will be an asset. SarahSV (talk) 00:56, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: seeing no reason to oppose. Trustworthy candidate with use for the tools. Loving the Teahouse work in particular! — Bilorv (talk) 01:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – Kurtis (talk) 01:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Seems to have a significant amount of clue, great with newbies, a bit light on with content creation, but several of his B-Class articles could be run for GAN, so just meets my content creation criteria. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:16, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Capable and trusted. AGK ■ 07:57, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Dekimasuよ! 08:08, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Trustworthy user who will help in needed areas. SpencerT•C 14:41, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Experienced user, can be trusted. Taewangkorea (talk) 18:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support with no concerns at all, based on observing his work at the Teahouse over a long period. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support experienced enough. AfD and CSD logs look good to me. DBigXrayᗙ 21:18, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Galobtter (pingó mió) 21:25, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I don't think I've had any direct dealings with Nick, but I have seen his name from time to time and he is one of those people who you think is already an admin. Mattg82 (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No reason to think this user will abuse the tools. Jayjg (talk) 22:37, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per noms Chetsford (talk) 00:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- While I am uncomfortable with the nom's "a killer AfD percentage" phrasing, and the implications behind the wording, I find Nick Moyes' answer to "What administrative work do you intend to take part in?" very impressive, and a rummage in Nick Moyes' contributions to be very encouraging - particularly the firm but friendly advice they have given others on occasion, such that concerns that Nick Moyes has merely been following consensus in AfDs in order to impress RfA voters can be put aside. Nick Moyes demonstrates a firm grasp of what Wikipedia is all about both in terms of policies and ethos, displays confidence tempered with empathy, and clearly has enthusiasm for the project. SilkTork (talk) 00:12, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I've had the pleasure of working with Nick in the Tea House and have been consistently impressed with his helpfulness and knowledge. He's supportive of editors new and old, and seems level-headed, and perfectly suited to become an admin. Orvilletalk 04:26, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Seems like an asset, and I don't see any compelling reason not to support. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 04:38, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. No red flags. Cabayi (talk) 08:03, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I ran into Nick while dealing with a BLP article subject. Was rather pleased with how they handled their explanations to the person, and I feel they will be a good addition to the admin corp. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 09:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Why not. Conlinp (talk) 09:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support with the disclaimer that we worked a little together on Coropuna. I did look through the history and I see no particular concerns. I see the points raised by the opposes but from some mainspace edits it looks like Moyes is not really totally clueless on article maintenance/creation so that doesn't concern me that much. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom. No concern here. Lulusword (talk) 12:38, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. No issues here. Meets my criteria. ZettaComposer (talk) 12:57, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Passes my incredibly difficult, incredibly stringent admin criteria (or is that criterion?), which quite simply, is "don't do anything outrageously stupid". Feel free to badger this vote.--WaltCip (talk) 15:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Overall I'm really seeing a smart and sensible user who has done some excellent work particularly in helping other users. I must admit I share something of Chess's significant distaste for ever using AfD percentage as a useful statistic, and that fact made me actually look harder at Nick Moyes than I otherwise would have because a nomination mentioning that seemed inherently flawed. Ultimately, though, this is assessing the user, not the nomination - not to say the nomination wasn't otherwise stellar. Nick Moyes's AfD participation is in fact excellent, and I have otherwise found no concerns at all, and very much foresee a great admin. ~ mazca talk 15:38, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: Nick is stable, reasonable and dedicated to Wikipedia. He will be a great admin! - Ret.Prof (talk) 16:33, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support --DannyS712 (talk) 17:55, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support I don't see any reason why not. Nick seems perfectly qualified and civil. TheSavageNorwegian 19:55, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - Good AfD stats, lots of mainspace editing and article creation, and Teahouse work. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - No concerns. Nihlus 21:15, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support with pleasure. Unlikely to harm the project, very likely to help it. — kashmīrī TALK 22:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support No concerns, very convincing supports, good answers to questions. Demetrius Tremens (talk) 23:38, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - No Concerns here. -- Dane talk 00:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - As per everyone who came before me. Capt. Milokan (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - has demonstrated an understanding of policies and more importantly explaining them to new users in a polite and welcoming way, admits mistakes, sufficient content creation. Not persuaded by the opposes. Find bruce (talk) 03:05, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I'm suprised he isn't an admin already. I found him quite helpful in the teahouse when I first started. Desertborn (talk) 07:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - This is an easy one. Have been impressed with this user's contributions and demeanor for some time. CThomas3 (talk) 07:31, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I have some dealings with Nick Moyes - a smart, polite, editor who explains and guides new editors in a polite manner - a solid candidate for an Admin role. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 11:12, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support won't break everything. --TheSandDoctor Talk 15:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support clue + content + respectful attitude = tools. Also "per noms." The fact that the editor knows how to put information in a box, and understands that it has value is a plus. — Ched (talk) 19:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support: WP:TTWOA. SITH (talk) 21:28, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support enthusiastically. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 22:29, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Easy support. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:18, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, what a great allrounder! Coolabahapple (talk) 23:27, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support – will be an asset. Cavalryman (talk) 00:43, 23 January 2020 (UTC).
- Support lots of main space edits 61% and a good amount of article creation. Good experience in BLP editing. Helps in the Tea House. Decent AfD !vote dispersal. Meets my criteria as an administrator who will protect content and content creators. Lightburst (talk) 01:08, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, good user no issues. And just to offset GregJackP's cancerous return to RfA trolling. ~Swarm~ {sting} 03:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, per above, excellent candidate. Gleeanon409 (talk) 06:13, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support –CaroleHenson (talk) 07:34, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, WP:NOBIGDEAL. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support, will be fine. Fish+Karate 11:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support Tolly4bolly 11:27, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support -- I'd seen him at work at the teahouse everyday for a long time, all the while thinking he was already an admin. Took a script to tell me he wasn't. He has my trust and confidence. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:12, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - no concerns, will be an asset. Carcharoth (talk) 13:36, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support without hesitation. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - I’m coming late to this snow vote but wanted to put in a good word for Nick. I’m a fellow teahouse volunteer and have always been impressed with Nick‘s thoroughness and patience. It’s been a while since I was active at AFD, so I don’t remember seeing Nick there, but if the first oppose is based on that not being enough, I would simply point voters to his history at the teahouse. His demeanor and patience are what we should all strive for, and he is quite adept at navigating Wikipedia and its challenges. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 17:20, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Suppport per nom. Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 18:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support -- Looks like a qualified candidate. -- Dolotta (talk) 19:32, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support - AFD "stats" are not a reason to support as suggested by the nomination, though. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:00, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Oppose
- I cannot in good faith support a nomination where the number one reason the nominee will be a good admin is that they have a record of agreeing with others at AfD. The reason why we call it a "!vote" is because AfD is not a vote because we're supposed to base closes on consensus formed from the actual content of the discussion, not a simple numerical up/down tally. Yet the nomination here is based significantly on counting votes and whether or not Nick Moyes conforms to others. Is this really what RfA has come to? Where disagreement with others can be a liability because it'll ruin your AfD percentage? Where the nominee's disagreement with the norm doesn't matter not because they provided well thought out opinions but because there was no norm to conform to?
Having a "killer AfD percentage" is not a character value. The implicit endorsement that it should be is a disqualifying mark in my book. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 02:15, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion moved to the talk page. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 04:00, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, per criteria. GregJackP Boomer! 05:37, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Chess. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 02:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Iazyges Howdy hello! I think you might have misread that, as the first oppose vote was by Chess, my note was simply in a clerking capacity noting that further discussion had been moved. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 03:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- CaptainEek You are very much correct. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:00, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Iazyges Howdy hello! I think you might have misread that, as the first oppose vote was by Chess, my note was simply in a clerking capacity noting that further discussion had been moved. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 03:22, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Neutral
- Neutral. Sitting here per my stance after reading the "Oppose" vote from Chess, as well as the subsequent reply from Juliancolton. I'm in agreement with Juliancolton's stance: I'm not a fan of using AfD statistics of agreeing with consensus as a metric to determine if a candidate is suitable for the mop. However, then after reading the rest of the RFA page thus far, something about this nomination doesn't sit right with me, but I don't have time to invest at the present to locate any possible "skeletons in the closet". This candidate might be perfectly fine and there might be no issues (I'm more or less surprised that I don't recall ever running across the nominee anywhere on Wikipedia and I'm aware of the existence of most active editors who end up becoming administrator nominees [but maybe in this instance, that's probably because AfD is the XfD forum I view the least]), but ... I dunno, something just seems off to me where even though I tend to now side with the antiquated concept of WP:NOBIGDEAL, at the present time, I cannot feel confident enough to put myself in the "Support" column. I think I'll just park it here. Steel1943 (talk) 03:07, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: Thank you for taking the time to leave your observations. I think you are quite right: you and I don't appear to have directly interacted with one another. We have certainly both edited a number of the same adminstrative pages at different times. Perhaps I should think about creating a colourful signature that shows up more. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Nick Moyes: Ha, looks like the majority of the pages that we've both edited were adminship requests and WP:RFPP with the occasional WP:RFD page. Yeah, shocking that we've edited some pages around the same time, but we've never interacted. (And even more shocking is the fact that the external tool that you used existed; I had no idea until now.) Either way though, looks like this nomination is in the bag. :) Steel1943 (talk) 14:59, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Steel1943: Thank you for taking the time to leave your observations. I think you are quite right: you and I don't appear to have directly interacted with one another. We have certainly both edited a number of the same adminstrative pages at different times. Perhaps I should think about creating a colourful signature that shows up more. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral - I was close to supporting, but I have to agree with Chess. If the nominator needs to use "killer AfD percentage" as a reason to support, it shows the user may not have much to their name. Foxnpichu (talk) 14:18, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral I think I am in agreement with the other !votes in the Neutral section. I find no serious red flags with the candidate but the premise of the nomination statement isn't why they receive my support. It's clear this RfA will pass, but I'm avoiding "Support" on this principle. Rcsprinter123 (tell) 00:21, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
General comments
- When I click xTools, I get an error message saying that "The requested user does not exist". Maybe one of the noms/Nick Moyes can figure out why the link doesn't work? If I search manually, I can find it: [11]. Clovermoss (talk) 03:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC) Clarification: it's only the link within the discussion section that doesn't work, the one in the RfA/RfB toolbox works fine. Clovermoss (talk) 06:07, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Clovermoss: The problem was the different encoding used in the templates. I copied part of the code from the toolbox link to the usercheck-template used to generate the first link and it should work now. Regards SoWhy 08:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
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into it, then answer the questions. New bureaucrats are recorded at Wikipedia:Successful bureaucratship candidacies. Failed nominations are at Wikipedia:Unsuccessful bureaucratship candidacies.
At minimum, study what is expected of a bureaucrat by reading discussions at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship including the recent archives, before seeking this position.
While canvassing for support is often viewed negatively by the community, some users find it helpful to place the neutrally worded {{RfX-notice|b}}
on their userpages – this is generally not seen as canvassing. Like requests for adminship, requests for bureaucratship are advertised on the watchlist and on Template:Centralized discussion.
Please add new requests at the top of the section immediately below this line.
Current nominations for bureaucratship
Related pages
- Requests for self-de-adminship can be made at Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard.
- Requests to mark an account as a bot can be made at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval.
- Requests to remove the administrator access of another editor due to abuse may be made at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case, but you should read Wikipedia:Administrators#Grievances by users ("administrator abuse") and attempt other methods of dispute resolution first.
- Wikipedia:Requests for de-adminship – Failed proposals to create a community-based process for de-adminship processes.
- Wikipedia:Miniguide to requests for adminship
- Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship
- Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates
- Wikipedia:Request an RfA nomination
- Requests for other user permissions can be made at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions.