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:Got it. [[User:Evlekis|Evlekis]] ('''Евлекис''') ([[User talk:Evlekis|argue]]) 02:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
:Got it. [[User:Evlekis|Evlekis]] ('''Евлекис''') ([[User talk:Evlekis|argue]]) 02:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. This is a perfect example of WP:RNEUTRAL, since the non-neutral name is frequent, and it consistently refers to the redirect's target; we wouldn't benefit from deleting it. Thanks to the "nominator" for bringing it here for discussion (you're right that it's weird; I can't remember seeing other discussions with "keep per nom" votes) in order to get a clearer consensus. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 04:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Keep'''. This is a perfect example of WP:RNEUTRAL, since the non-neutral name is frequent, and it consistently refers to the redirect's target; we wouldn't benefit from deleting it. Thanks to the "nominator" for bringing it here for discussion (you're right that it's weird; I can't remember seeing other discussions with "keep per nom" votes) in order to get a clearer consensus. [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 04:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
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*Delete. It was created by DE banned user Sinbad Barron, it must be deleted per that. Also, itis unsurced, and i dont see any common use...--<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:WhiteWriter|WhiteWriter]]<sup>[[User talk:WhiteWriter |speaks]]</sup></span> 18:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. It was created by DE banned user Sinbad Barron, it must be deleted per that. Also, itis unsurced, and i dont see any common use...--<span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:WhiteWriter|WhiteWriter]]<sup>[[User talk:WhiteWriter |speaks]]</sup></span> 18:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
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**Actually it is sourced, see [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jul/01/warcrimes.balkans] (currently reference 135) and as for common use [https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22butcher+of+the+balans%22+-wikipedia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&redir_esc=&ei=TcldUYrsLvOW0QWbz4GYAg#hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=yVq&channel=fs&gl=uk&q=%22butcher+of+the+balkans%22+-wikipedia&spell=1&sa=X&psj=1&ei=TcldUY-eNI2V0QXyi4HIAg&ved=0CDAQvwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.d2k&fp=effc9fefc0690bbd&biw=1512&bih=526], [https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22butcher+of+the+balans%22+-wikipedia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&redir_esc=&ei=TcldUYrsLvOW0QWbz4GYAg#q=%22butcher+of+the+balkans%22+-wikipedia&hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=SBB&channel=fs&gl=uk&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&psj=1&ei=U8ldUfy6C-Xt0gWciIGYDA&ved=0CAwQ_AUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.d2k&fp=effc9fefc0690bbd&biw=1512&bih=526] and [https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22butcher+of+the+balans%22+-wikipedia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&redir_esc=&ei=TcldUYrsLvOW0QWbz4GYAg#hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=ItV&channel=fs&gl=uk&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&q=butcher+of+the+balkans&oq=butcher+of+the+balkans&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.7.18087.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c..8.serp.Mj0lz4nyV3g&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.d2k&fp=f5299099963d7f3f&biw=1512&bih=526] rather demonstrate that your assertion is incorrect. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 18:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
**Actually it is sourced, see [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jul/01/warcrimes.balkans] (currently reference 135) and as for common use [https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22butcher+of+the+balans%22+-wikipedia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&redir_esc=&ei=TcldUYrsLvOW0QWbz4GYAg#hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=yVq&channel=fs&gl=uk&q=%22butcher+of+the+balkans%22+-wikipedia&spell=1&sa=X&psj=1&ei=TcldUY-eNI2V0QXyi4HIAg&ved=0CDAQvwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.d2k&fp=effc9fefc0690bbd&biw=1512&bih=526], [https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22butcher+of+the+balans%22+-wikipedia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&redir_esc=&ei=TcldUYrsLvOW0QWbz4GYAg#q=%22butcher+of+the+balkans%22+-wikipedia&hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=SBB&channel=fs&gl=uk&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&psj=1&ei=U8ldUfy6C-Xt0gWciIGYDA&ved=0CAwQ_AUoAQ&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.d2k&fp=effc9fefc0690bbd&biw=1512&bih=526] and [https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22butcher+of+the+balans%22+-wikipedia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&redir_esc=&ei=TcldUYrsLvOW0QWbz4GYAg#hl=en&safe=off&client=ubuntu&hs=ItV&channel=fs&gl=uk&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&q=butcher+of+the+balkans&oq=butcher+of+the+balkans&gs_l=serp.12...0.0.7.18087.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1c..8.serp.Mj0lz4nyV3g&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44770516,d.d2k&fp=f5299099963d7f3f&biw=1512&bih=526] rather demonstrate that your assertion is incorrect. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 18:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 18:50, 4 April 2013
April 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 2, 2013
Butcher of the Balkans
- Butcher of the Balkans → Slobodan Milošević (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: /delete ]
This is a rather unusual nomination. As the deletion log shows, this redirect has been repeatedly (re)created and successively deleted with a variety of rationales. It was recreated again today by Neutral Fair Guy (talk · contribs), who I have since indefblocked for disruption in other articles, and Evlekis (talk · contribs) then requested that I speedily delete the redirect. However, I believe WP:RNEUTRAL applies here. The term is rather widely used, which makes it a plausible search term; supported by reliable sources; and present in the target article. We also have vast precedent for "Butcher of X" redirects, as Special:PrefixIndex shows. I therefore nominate this redirect for discussion and suggest that it be Kept. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 23:06, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Keep per nominator. Bringing it here for discussion was a good idea, the R3 speedy deletion was obviously incorrect - any term mentioned in the target is almost by definition plausible. I can see why the G10 deletions happened, but as the term is present in the article and supported by citations to reliable sources the "and serve no other purpose" clause of the criterion is not met. I'm wondering whether some language about redirects needs to be added to the explanation of G10 - see Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 02:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Speedy keep - A well-sourced widely used name like this should never even be considered for deletion. Ego White Tray (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Keep per nom. It is widely used.--Charles (talk) 09:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete. It has beed created several times and quickly deleted on account of the term constituting an attack. Furthermore, to my knowledge its authors were short-lived disruptive accounts and the latest publisher (User:Neutral Fair Guy) is no exception to the rest of them. There was no discussion to bring back the redirect and if we keep it then it will be a victory for the vandal, in which case we may just as well restore this, this and this among others, all submitted with the same ideas in mind. After all, terms as such don't appear in UN/ICTY/UNHCR/Amnesty/HRW documents, only in journals with the avowed intention of being unfavourable to their target, often indirectly when citing interviews with the target's detractors, and the very same publications will not for a moment stop short of using terms like despot, dictator or tyrant for all the same reasons. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 10:25, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Please read WP:RNEUTRAL. If reliable sources (and these are not limited to those published by the organisations you list) use non-neutral terms then these are valid redirects. Our articles are neutral, and that includes neutrally reporting non-neutral names and positions held by others. The presence of the redirect is simply allowing users who search for the non-neutral name to find the article they are looking for, where the article will educate them to all sides of the story. Thryduulf (talk) 11:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- I knew that, and don't dispute that. I am just not happy about the manner it was reintroduced and I get the impression doing so is what the shortlived vandal had been primed to do. The rest of the edits surely irrelevant as indeed the block which has yet to be contested. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 14:35, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep, the term is/was widely used in news accounts and other neutral venues, especially in reference to the Hague war crimes tribunals before his death. This should never have been deleted under CSD criteria. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 15:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Comment by main nominator. Well if this is how everybody feels then we may just let it stay though who on earth is going to use it I don't know. I mean I admit I always do fyrom purely because it is fewer keystrokes but Butcher of the Balkans can never be a shortcut! I won't pretend I am pleased as I know that someone somewhere is laughing his head off and declaring this a victory, but that's the way it goes with consensus. I'm all right with this discussion to now be closed and there really is no more requirement for extra voting either way. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 20:54, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- The purpose of the redirect isn't to be a shortcut, it's for people who are looking for information about a person they've seen or heard described (or remember being described) as the "Butcher of the Balkans" but who don't know or can't remember his real name. Thryduulf (talk) 23:14, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a perfect example of WP:RNEUTRAL, since the non-neutral name is frequent, and it consistently refers to the redirect's target; we wouldn't benefit from deleting it. Thanks to the "nominator" for bringing it here for discussion (you're right that it's weird; I can't remember seeing other discussions with "keep per nom" votes) in order to get a clearer consensus. Nyttend (talk) 04:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- Delete. It was created by DE banned user Sinbad Barron, it must be deleted per that. Also, itis unsurced, and i dont see any common use...--WhiteWriterspeaks 18:25, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
A:. A:. & E:. F:.
- A:. A:. & E:. F:. → Co-Freemasonry (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: /delete ]
- Ancient, Accepted and Esoteric Freemasons → Co-Freemasonry#The Grand Lodge of Ancient, Accepted and Esoteric Freemasons (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: /delete ]
These redirects should be deleted, because they go to a deleted section – neither the initialism nor what it stands for is mentioned in the article. – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 16:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
PS. I could find no other article on Freemasons that includes this initialism nor what it stands for.
- Delete the former as a rarely used, oddly punctuated initialism whose expansion or meaning isn't given in the article. Google suggests there's a variety of ways of punctuating A. A. & E. F. and this isn't the most common, and it's certainly not the first people would try or expect to find. Not quite decided about the second. --Colapeninsula (talk) 13:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
Ring-Ring
- Ring-Ring → List of Drawn Together characters (links to redirect • history • stats) [ Closure: /delete ]
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Izrael
No such spelling TheChampionMan1234 07:39, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Delete As above, No such spelling. Wilbysuffolk (Talk to me!) 10:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Delete Davey2010 Talk 10:56, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep orDisambiguate. Firstly it's a very likely misspelling for dyslexics, non-native speakers and others spelling phonetically (and it is the Polish and Czech spelling of the country name too). There also exists Izrael (band), Izrael Poznański, Izrael Abraham Staffel, Izrael Chaim Wilner, Eva Grlić (born Eva Izrael), Yuri Izrael and an alternative spelling of Azrael. The only question is whether the the country or dab page is the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 11:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)- See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 May 29#Izrail. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm now firmly of the opinion that the dab page should be primary. Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Keep or Disambiguate per Thryduulf valid {{R from misspelling}}. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- Disambiguate, with all the people who have this name, most users are probably searching for one of them. I typed up the disambig below the redirect link. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:07, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Keep or Disambiguate per Thryduulf as a likely misspelling.--Charles (talk) 09:45, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Disambiguate - band needs an access point, likely misspelling also. PamD 17:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)