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::{{yo|SmokeyJoe}} It doesn't have to target individuals, [[WP:POLEMIC]] refers to "vilifying groups of editors" and the bigger problem may actually be ATTACKPAGE, with statements making assertions that the president is engaged in illegal behavior such as "With all-things-Trump, all the evidence and intelligence reports tend to show that the Trump administration is hiding a whole lot of activities, lying a lot, holding lots of secretive meetings with Russians, and when it's revealed, it often turns out to be illegal and/or shady activities, at times bordering on treasonous." I believe BLP applies to userpages too--[[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]] ([[User talk:Rusf10|talk]]) 06:34, 14 July 2018 (UTC) |
::{{yo|SmokeyJoe}} It doesn't have to target individuals, [[WP:POLEMIC]] refers to "vilifying groups of editors" and the bigger problem may actually be ATTACKPAGE, with statements making assertions that the president is engaged in illegal behavior such as "With all-things-Trump, all the evidence and intelligence reports tend to show that the Trump administration is hiding a whole lot of activities, lying a lot, holding lots of secretive meetings with Russians, and when it's revealed, it often turns out to be illegal and/or shady activities, at times bordering on treasonous." I believe BLP applies to userpages too--[[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]] ([[User talk:Rusf10|talk]]) 06:34, 14 July 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' This essay describes a common behavior of many pro-Trump editors instead of all pro-Trump editors. It identifies a specific behavior: citing unreliable sources. Any editor who feels offended should simply avoid citing unreliable sources as references. The essay will then not apply to them. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 06:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' This essay describes a common behavior of many pro-Trump editors instead of all pro-Trump editors. It identifies a specific behavior: citing unreliable sources. Any editor who feels offended should simply avoid citing unreliable sources as references. The essay will then not apply to them. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 06:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC) |
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* '''Comment''': [[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]], you do realize that this revenge act (it only took [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARusf10&type=revision&diff=850177443&oldid=850176139 a little over an hour to act!]) is about a private essay in my userspace, don't you? In fact, most of the essay is directly from very properly-sourced articles. Are you going to AfD them because their RS make Trump supporters look bad? That you feel offended by it says a lot about your POV and how right the essay is. The RS don't lie. Methinks thou dost protest too much. [[User:Awilley|Awilley]] should know about this behavior of yours. It's beyond tendentious and smacks of harassment/revenge. -- [[User:BullRangifer|BullRangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 06:28, 14 July 2018 (UTC) |
* '''Comment''': [[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]], you do realize that this revenge act (it only took [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARusf10&type=revision&diff=850177443&oldid=850176139 a little over an hour to act!]) is about a private essay in my userspace, don't you? In fact, most of the essay is directly from very properly-sourced articles. Are you going to AfD them because their RS make Trump supporters look bad? That you feel offended by it says a lot about your POV and how right the essay is. The RS don't lie. Methinks thou dost protest too much. [[User:Awilley|Awilley]] should know about this behavior of yours. It's beyond tendentious and smacks of harassment/revenge. -- [[User:BullRangifer|BullRangifer]] ([[User talk:BullRangifer|talk]]) <u><small>'''''PingMe'''''</small></u> 06:28, 14 July 2018 (UTC) |
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::{{yo|BullRangifer}}consider striking that per [[WP:ADHOM]] and if you really want to push the issue you are [[WP:Casting aspersions]]--[[User:Rusf10|Rusf10]] ([[User talk:Rusf10|talk]]) 06:38, 14 July 2018 (UTC) |
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User:BullRangifer/Trump supporters, fake news, and unreliable sources
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Delete as per WP:POLEMIC, the page speaks disparagingly of editors that may support Donald Trump. To be fair, the page has been questioned in the past and its creator defended it here The defense was based on the mistaken belief that policies and guidelines do not apply to user pages. WP:NPOV may not apply but WP:SOAPBOX does. Despite the fact that it does not call out any specific editor, it refers to an entire group of editors, and borderlines on WP:ATTACKPAGE. Rusf10 (talk) 06:07, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. A close call this one, but I am falling on the side of "keep" because: (1) reasonable leeway, this is a userpage of a prolific respected contributor; (2) project related, although a close call, the intent of the userpage is in support of encyclopedia editing/maintenance; (3) "the page speaks disparagingly of editors", no not badly, and most importantly it does not target individuals, not naming them certainly, and not even alluding to specific other editors (I may be wrong, but I read it is referring to drive-by newcomers). --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:15, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- @SmokeyJoe: It doesn't have to target individuals, WP:POLEMIC refers to "vilifying groups of editors" and the bigger problem may actually be ATTACKPAGE, with statements making assertions that the president is engaged in illegal behavior such as "With all-things-Trump, all the evidence and intelligence reports tend to show that the Trump administration is hiding a whole lot of activities, lying a lot, holding lots of secretive meetings with Russians, and when it's revealed, it often turns out to be illegal and/or shady activities, at times bordering on treasonous." I believe BLP applies to userpages too--Rusf10 (talk) 06:34, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This essay describes a common behavior of many pro-Trump editors instead of all pro-Trump editors. It identifies a specific behavior: citing unreliable sources. Any editor who feels offended should simply avoid citing unreliable sources as references. The essay will then not apply to them. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Rusf10, you do realize that this revenge act (it only took a little over an hour to act!) is about a private essay in my userspace, don't you? In fact, most of the essay is directly from very properly-sourced articles. Are you going to AfD them because their RS make Trump supporters look bad? That you feel offended by it says a lot about your POV and how right the essay is. The RS don't lie. Methinks thou dost protest too much. Awilley should know about this behavior of yours. It's beyond tendentious and smacks of harassment/revenge. -- BullRangifer (talk) PingMe 06:28, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- @BullRangifer:consider striking that per WP:ADHOM and if you really want to push the issue you are WP:Casting aspersions--Rusf10 (talk) 06:38, 14 July 2018 (UTC)