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===[[User:Christopher Sundita]] and [[User:Node ue]] disallowing me to use a source=== |
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Those two users keep reverting the [[Moldovan language]] article, because of this fragment that I posted: |
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''The [[Moldavian]] chronicler, [[Grigore Ureche]] ([[1590]] - [[1647]]), established in his "Letopiseţul Ţării Moldovei" (''The Chronicles of the land of Moldavia'') that Moldavian (Moldovan) and Wallachian (Romanian from Wallachia) are essentially the same language; and that Moldavians and Wallachians share the same ethnicity.'' |
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They reasoned by first saying that the source is too old (400 years old), and then by saying that the source is not reliable. Node first reverted by saying that the word "liberated" is not a neutral word - but that word was never used in my fragment. Sundita then started to debate the language it self, saying that languages can change over the course of time, etc., and that the source is no longer applicable. |
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The source is very reliable. The Prince was Moldavia agree with Ureche and awarded him land, and, later, [[Dimitrie Cantemir]], another Prince of Moldavia, said the same thing about the 'Moldovan' language. I feel that I have the right to use sources on Wiki, but these people will simply not allow me to. See the history of the edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moldovan_language&curid=226999&action=history |
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Can someone assist me in this dispute? I tried ANI, but I was ignored. Then I tried RfA, but someone removed it because, according to him, it escalated into a discussion. I then tried RfM, but was directed to this place, instead. Thanks! --[[User:Anittas|Anittas]] 15:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC) |
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Send for the Cabal! Requests for cabal mediation
For archive of Mediation Cabal cases that have been closed, see Closed Case Archives: Closed Cases Archive 1
Al-Ahbash
- Who's involved?
- McKhan, Muslimunity, Tearlach, and anyone else I might have missed who's been talking on the talk page.
- What's going on?
- POV warring.
- What would you like to change about that?
- I'd like to be able to unprotect the page, and get an NPOV version up.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- n/a
Mediator response
Tricky one, but should be possible to solve. Assigning myself to this mediation. I will contact the involved parties shortly. --NicholasTurnbull 01:59, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Comments by others
Squaring the circle and Unit fraction
- What's going on?
- Rktect keeps pushing his personal beliefs into pages about egyptians knowing analytic geometry and circle squaring. Content gets removed and added. My explanations on why I removed the disupted content (which was disputed by Michael Hardy not me) on the talk page are becoming field for ad hominem attacks against me instead of discussing the content.
{addition by WikiFanatic:} Hi. As WikiFan04, I had a message on my talk page about a revert on Rope stretcher that was signed by Rktect. I was told that I "needed to be more careful in the future" as I "reverted correct edits". I am very sure I was reverting his personal beliefs. Just inserting my experiences with this user (Rktect).
- What would you like to change about that?
- I'd like the discussion to focus on the content rather than turning into personal attacks.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- on IRC
Mediator response
Firstly, my sincerest apologies in dealing with this request - I propose discussion with the parties concerned to have the matter brought to mutual understanding and/or compromise where required. I will leave a talk page note on all the parties concerned and also comment on the talk page itself. I will act as your mediator for this case. --NicholasTurnbull 19:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Comments by others
Escalation to Arbitration Committee - Bogdanov Affair
This case is in the process of being escalated to the Arbitration Committee, and mediation efforts have been closed. Please see Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Closed Cases Archive 1#Bogdanov Affair for the previous case information.
Please note that this case has now been closed, and interested parties are kindly requested to hold debate about this case on Talk:Bogdanov Affair, not on any Mediation Cabal pages.
Mediator comments
Task assigned to User:Snowspinner --NicholasTurnbull 10:57, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
- Article is unlocked, bans being used to enforce the Bogandov's ban on the article, and they are revert on sight. This seems to be adequate at the moment. Snowspinner 19:13, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
User:Anakinskywalker
- Mediation requested by
- (sign below)
- File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 02:18, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
- Who's involved?
- File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 02:18, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
- User:Anakinskywalker
- What's going on?
- He's harassing me on Talk:University of Ottawa, his talk page, and my own talk page.
- What would you like to change about that?
- I want his attacks removed from Talk:University of Ottawa and for him to be banned for life. An admin has banned him for harassment for the time being, but it's obnoxious.
- If you'd prefer we work discreetly, how can we reach you?
- Email.
Mediator response
Hmmm, the cabal can't ban people (officially at least), unfortunate though it is. Would reasoning and seeing if you folks can cooperate be helpful? That's what mediation is. If it doesn't help at least it doesn't hurt, and you can always take other dispute resolution steps later (and we can advise with that too) Kim Bruning 11:04, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Comments by others
User:Christopher Sundita and User:Node ue disallowing me to use a source
Those two users keep reverting the Moldovan language article, because of this fragment that I posted:
The Moldavian chronicler, Grigore Ureche (1590 - 1647), established in his "Letopiseţul Ţării Moldovei" (The Chronicles of the land of Moldavia) that Moldavian (Moldovan) and Wallachian (Romanian from Wallachia) are essentially the same language; and that Moldavians and Wallachians share the same ethnicity.
They reasoned by first saying that the source is too old (400 years old), and then by saying that the source is not reliable. Node first reverted by saying that the word "liberated" is not a neutral word - but that word was never used in my fragment. Sundita then started to debate the language it self, saying that languages can change over the course of time, etc., and that the source is no longer applicable.
The source is very reliable. The Prince was Moldavia agree with Ureche and awarded him land, and, later, Dimitrie Cantemir, another Prince of Moldavia, said the same thing about the 'Moldovan' language. I feel that I have the right to use sources on Wiki, but these people will simply not allow me to. See the history of the edits: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moldovan_language&curid=226999&action=history
Can someone assist me in this dispute? I tried ANI, but I was ignored. Then I tried RfA, but someone removed it because, according to him, it escalated into a discussion. I then tried RfM, but was directed to this place, instead. Thanks! --Anittas 15:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)