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[http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0101/pakistan.html 88 people have been killed after a suspected suicide bomb attack at a volleyball match.] I think this is particularly sad. <small> <span style="border:2px solid #000;padding:1px;"> [[User:Cargoking|<font style="color:#000080;">'''Cargoking'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cargoking|<font style="color:#f9f9f9;background:#000000;"> talk </font>]]</span></small> 22:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC) |
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[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8436948.stm Auschwitz survivor Helen Lewis dies] Article needs improvement but is she well known? It says she was originally from Czechoslovakia and had a "widely acclaimed autobiography" about her time in camp. --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 15:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC) |
[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/8436948.stm Auschwitz survivor Helen Lewis dies] Article needs improvement but is she well known? It says she was originally from Czechoslovakia and had a "widely acclaimed autobiography" about her time in camp. --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 15:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC) |
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January 1
- At least 18 FARC rebels are killed while celebrating the New Year in an air raid by the Colombian Air Force in the south of the country. (Latin American Herald Tribune) (Al Jazeera)
- 2010 Lakki Marwat suicide bombing: At least 95 people are killed, more than 100 more are injured and 20 houses are destroyed after a suicide bomber blows himself up at a volleyball game in Lakki Marwat, northwest Pakistan. (The Times) (Express India) (BBC News)
- Russians are surprised by a cartoon "gently lampooning" Dmitry Medvedev and Vladimir Putin who are portrayed dancing, singing and playing musical instruments. (BBC) (France 24)
- China and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) launch a Free Trade Area. (New York Times) (Xinhua)
- At least 19 people are dead and five are injured as mudslide hits an island resort near Angra dos Reis, Ilha Grande. Large numbers also killed elsewhere in Brazil. (BBC) (The Washington Post)
- A study suggests that teenagers who go to bed late are more likely to develop depression and to have suicidal thoughts. (BBC News) (CBC) (Sleep)
- Researchers announce that the likely origin of devil facial tumour disease, a transmissible cancer which has caused the population of Tasmanian devils to collapse by 60% in the past decade, is Schwann cells. (BBC) (Time) (New York Times) (Science)
- A Cambodian court issues an arrest warrant for opposition leader Sam Rainsy, for failing to turn up at court over a border dispute with Vietnam. (BBC) (Phnom Penh Post)[permanent dead link]
- North Korea calls for the end of hostilities with the United States and a nuclear free Korean Peninsula, to restart talks; in its annual New Year editorial. (Yonhap) (CNN) (Al Jazeera)
- Spain takes over the Presidency of the Council of the European Union from Sweden. (BBC News) (Deutsche Welle) (euronews)
ITN candidates for January 1
Volleyball suicide bomb
88 people have been killed after a suspected suicide bomb attack at a volleyball match. I think this is particularly sad. Cargoking talk 22:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Death of Helen Lewis
Auschwitz survivor Helen Lewis dies Article needs improvement but is she well known? It says she was originally from Czechoslovakia and had a "widely acclaimed autobiography" about her time in camp. --candle•wicke 15:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't think ITN/D are met here. --Tone 15:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't want to diminish what this lady went through for so much as one moment but there were a lot of people in Auchwitz and other camps and, sadly, many of them are reaching old age and dying with it being 65 years ago and we can't and shouldn't report each and every one of them unless there's something particularly notable about the individual or their death. HJMitchell You rang? 17:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Michael Jackson's Thriller
- Google News: Michael Jackson's Thriller video is added to the National Film Archive, the first ever music video. Cargoking talk 12:35, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, not a big deal.sephia karta | di mi 13:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Weak support if the article is updated and we have nothing better to put up. Physchim62 (talk) 14:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support because it's the first music video so it wouldn't need to be posted every year. --candle•wicke 14:49, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. I don't find it that significant. --Tone 15:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Interesting, but not of ITN significance imho. Oppose. It would sound good as a DYK hook though. HJMitchell You rang? 16:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
End of the Tenth Doctor era
- " The End of Time ", the final episode of Doctor Who with David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor airs on BBC One. 23:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Something on the lighter side amongst all this doom and gloom for the New Year. Hektor (talk) 23:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Ah why not. Support. "The End of Time", Doctor Who and David Tennant seem to be in good condition and is broadcast in US and Canada too? The programme article says, √The programme is listed in Guinness World Records as the longest-running science fiction television show in the world, and as the "most successful" science fiction series of all time, in terms of its overall broadcast ratings, DVD sales, book sales and iTunes traffic, as well as "illegal downloads"√. --candle•wicke 23:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Strong oppose it is just a TV show, albeit a popular one. It is not ending its run, it is merely replacing some of its actors, which is not notable IMO. As far as I know when Daniel Craig became 007, that didn't go up. --PlasmaTwa2 00:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Something on the lighter side amongst all this doom and gloom for the New Year. Hektor (talk) 23:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Just a change of actors - in no way worldly-significant. HonouraryMix (talk) 01:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose. Doctor Who changes actors every few series as a matter of course (that's how they've had 10 already). Really not significant. Modest Genius talk 02:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. I would support if this were really the last Doctor Who episode, as I think it is an iconic television series, but a well known online encyclopedia informs me that Matt Smith will be the Eleventh Doctor at some point in 2010. Physchim62 (talk) 02:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose. I love the show, but I don't believe this change of actor rises to the level of something appropriate for ITN. Dragons flight (talk) 05:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose While I too will be watching, this is trivia more suited for DYK than ITN. By coincidence, DYK will be running a Doctor Who hook (Amy Pond) Saturday morning. Bradjamesbrown (talk) 07:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per Plasma's vey well put rationale. HJMitchell You rang? 16:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
China-ASEAN FTA
- The free trade area, the first of its kind between China and ASEAN, is scheduled to be officially launched on Jan. 1, 2010. Covering a total population of 1.9 billion, according to this. --candle•wicke 02:18, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- More information. --candle•wicke 22:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Largest Free Trade Area in the world. Nirvana888 (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support sephia karta | di mi 13:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Also ANZCERTA-ASEAN FTA [1] Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- What is the article? Physchim62 (talk) 14:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I have no idea but I was hoping that at least one of those 1.9 billion people might. :P --candle•wicke 16:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- The update could go under ASEAN Free Trade Area. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't see an article for it. Someone with time on their hands should probably create a new article or update an existing article. There should be plenty of reliable sources out there. Nirvana888 (talk) 18:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- WIP. ASEAN–China Free Trade Area will be created soon. It has been previously mentioned in the list of bilateral free trade agreements. Arsonal (talk) 18:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't see an article for it. Someone with time on their hands should probably create a new article or update an existing article. There should be plenty of reliable sources out there. Nirvana888 (talk) 18:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Very nice! It's still a bit short but I believe it is ready to post. Can you give me an appropriate blurb, please? --Tone 20:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- The update could go under ASEAN Free Trade Area. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I have no idea but I was hoping that at least one of those 1.9 billion people might. :P --candle•wicke 16:45, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that's OK by me: a few days on the Main Page should get it beefed out a bit! Physchim62 (talk) 20:15, 1 January 2010 (UTC) Suggest:
- The ASEAN–China Free Trade Area, the world's largest free trade area in terms of population, comes into effect.
- Yep, I was thinking of something like that. Posting. Do we have a map with the countries highlighted? Maybe we could use it as an image. --Tone 20:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Five countries assume UNSC seats
- Five new countries take their non-permanent seats in the UNSC: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Gabon, Lebanon and Nigeria.
- If I remember correctly, this has been posted before in previous years. Nirvana888 (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support, United Nations Security Council looks good Modest Genius talk 12:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- That article has no prose update. We can feature United Nations Security Council election, 2009 instead. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:42, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose as the nomination is based on a false premise. We haven't included this event in the past, see the template on 3 January 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006. We may well have posted the election of new UNSC members when the election happens, which would be more logical on ITN practice. Note as well that we don't include the January change in EU presidency (what I was checking for when I was looking at these historical revisions!), before anyone nominates the Spanish presidency. Physchim62 (talk) 14:26, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I second that. This is annual cycling of the functions and it was well known in advance who will take the seats. --Tone 15:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Even if it is recycled and it was known in advance, I think it's significant given the influence these countries will have on the UNSC and given Brazil's increasing significance in the world- 9th largest economy in the world by purchasing power. HJMitchell You rang? 16:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. This is by no means purely a rotation like the EU presidency which is done on a rotational basis every six month. Instead, its an annual election of UNSC seats. Your analogy would be more appropriate for the UNSC Presidency which is actually done on a rotatory monthly process, and which would not posted on ITN much like the EU presidency. I agree that it can be posted either when the election took place or now when they assume their seats - I honestly have no preference. But I updated the appropriate articles to reflect the new events. Nirvana888 (talk) 17:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I think we've missed it. I'd probably support a story at the time of the election (I think we've done that in the past), but this simply isn't news any more. Thanks for the updates all the same (I've spent the afternoon updating articles that have fallen off the ITN timescale as well!). Just to say that this is geopolitically important so we should post it regardless of the news value is simply geopolitics creep, and there's more than enough of that on ITN as it is. Physchim62 (talk) 17:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
December 31
- A High Court in Malaysia rules that the country's Christians have a constitutional right to use the word Allah in reference to God, declaring the government's ban on the use of Allah by non-Muslims as unconstitutional. (BBC News)
- Former Catholic Primate of All Ireland Cardinal Cahal Daly, "the hierarchy's foremost theologian and its most trenchant critic of politically-inspired violence", dies in Belfast aged 92. (RTÉ) (The Daily Telegraph) (The Irish Times) (Reuters)
- Senegalese President Abdoulaye Wade issues an apology to "humiliated" Christians for comparing an "idolatrous" statue to Jesus Christ. (BBC) (Daily Nation)
- Two French journalists and their translator are kidnapped in Kapisa Province, Afghanistan. (CNN) (Sky News) (Radio Netherlands Worldwide)
- The Althing (Icelandic parliament) approves the payment of €3.8 billion to the United Kingdom and the Netherlands as deposit insurance for the collapsed Icesave savings scheme. (BBC News)
- The Government of Serbia decides to sue Croatia for genocide before the International Court of Justice. (B92)
- The University of Cambridge successfully acquires a collection of Siegfried Sassoon's personal papers for £1.25 million, following a six-month fundraising campaign. (BBC) (Reuters)
- At least six people are killed by a gunman at a shopping centre in Espoo, near Helsinki. (YLE) (BBC) (The Times) (Reuters)
- Lithuania shuts the Baltic region's one and only nuclear power station in Visaginas. The Lithuanian nuclear power station provides 70% of the nation's energy and was traded for membership to the European Union. (BBC) (The Daily Telegraph)
- Les Choristes by Impressionist artist Edgar Degas mysteriously disappears from Marseilles's Cantini Museum. (BBC) (France 24) (Boston Globe) (Reuters)
- Van Morrison tells RTÉ News at One that a baby his own website claimed he has fathered does not exist and that he has never met the alleged mother. (RTÉ) (The Times) (ABC News) (The Guardian) (Statement)
- Patrick Stewart, the actor who played Captain Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation and Professor X in X-Men, is knighted by Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom. (CNN) (News10) (The Guardian)
- Both a blue moon and a lunar eclipse occur. (CNN) (ABC News) (Space) (Wikinews) (RTÉ)
ITN candidates for December 31
Ban on the use of Allah by non-Muslims unconstitutional
- A High Court in Malaysia rules that the country's Christians have a constititional right to use the word Allah in reference to God, declaring the government's ban on the use of Allah by non-Muslims as unconstitutional. (BBC) (Al Jazeera) While this is Malaysia's domestic affair, Muslims (and perhaps some Christians) in other countries might be interested in this, I think. Any comments? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'd read this story as a purely domestic dispute within Malaysia (see this BBC story from November for background). The word Allah came into the Malay language from Arabic and, in Arabic, it is used to refer to any monotheistic god, so the High Court was on solid linguistic ground in making its ruling. Physchim62 (talk) 13:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Not my choice of ITN... --Tone 14:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'd read this story as a purely domestic dispute within Malaysia (see this BBC story from November for background). The word Allah came into the Malay language from Arabic and, in Arabic, it is used to refer to any monotheistic god, so the High Court was on solid linguistic ground in making its ruling. Physchim62 (talk) 13:05, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Death of Cahal Daly
- The death of "the hierarchy's foremost theologian and its most trenchant critic of politically-inspired violence". Seems to have been a prominent figure during The Troubles and the recent scandals (Brendan Smyth, etc), wrote something for Pope John Paul II and gets a much larger obituary than usual (especially since his death has just been announced). Would need an update, this can be done but is he notable enough for ITN? --candle•wicke 20:52, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- You're our Ireland expert -- was this guy extraordinarily notable? There's little in his article that makes it seem as if that's the case. I mean, in the U.S., the only religious figure I could see qualifying as notable enough to merit an ITN entry upon a naturally caused death late in life is Billy Graham, who was able to fill stadiums for several days and has known every president since Harry Truman. My thought is that if you live in Ireland and you're unsure about his notability, his death is not ITN-level. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Definitely notable in Ireland and the UK, if only for his role in (trying to resolve) The Troubles: any blub should mention that. As internationally important as the two naturally dead ex-Presidents we've posted recently, although I'm not sure if that's a very good benchmark. Physchim62 (talk) 02:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, at least for now. If international notability can be established I can move to support, but just being well-known in the Great Britain area isn't enough. Wizardman Help review good articles 02:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I would say that he is notable hence the nomination. A bishop alone for three decades, rose to be the top bishop, tributes from all sorts of politicians and even other churches and I think Northern Ireland/the abuse scandals have been covered in detail by the international media. But that doesn't mean everybody would agree. And Physchim62 makes a good point about the recent dead ex-Presidents—Abdurrahman Wahid was in power for less than two years in a comparatively large country, Daly was at the top of his career for three decades in a comparatively small country. And a headline from Australia's Herald Sun—"Cardinal credited with famous John Paul II speech dies". --candle•wicke 03:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, at least for now. If international notability can be established I can move to support, but just being well-known in the Great Britain area isn't enough. Wizardman Help review good articles 02:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Definitely notable in Ireland and the UK, if only for his role in (trying to resolve) The Troubles: any blub should mention that. As internationally important as the two naturally dead ex-Presidents we've posted recently, although I'm not sure if that's a very good benchmark. Physchim62 (talk) 02:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support, (assuming article is updated accordingly for ITN) it's big news in the UK and this guy seems quite significant. HJMitchell You rang? 11:11, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- The article is updated now, and we also have an obituary in the Boston Globe (USA). Physchim62 (talk) 13:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, among those people we had on ITN recently, I don't think the notability is of the same scale. Large obituaries in newspapers do not necessarily establish level of notability. --Tone 14:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with Tone, but draw the opposite conclusion. I think Cardinal Daly is more notable than the ex-presidents of Venezuela and Indonesia, as he obviously did more than "just his job". We really must take another look at how we post deaths. Physchim62 (talk) 16:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Another issue here is the quality of the article. The two presidents had much more elaborate articles written and one of the unofficial guidelines in such cases is that the article should be extensive. From reading the article, I can't say I find much reasons why we should put it on ITN. --Tone 16:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- He is to lie in state if that helps. Lying in state is more formal than lying in repose according to Wikipedia. Others sources now available include Taiwan News and The Washington Post If the article is improved would that be good enough? --candle•wicke 17:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I have no problems with recognizing him as a prominent figure. However, as long as the article is not in a great shape (biography and works paragraphs substantially expanded), I can't support ITN inclusion. Then, maybe. --Tone 17:17, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- He is to lie in state if that helps. Lying in state is more formal than lying in repose according to Wikipedia. Others sources now available include Taiwan News and The Washington Post If the article is improved would that be good enough? --candle•wicke 17:10, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Another issue here is the quality of the article. The two presidents had much more elaborate articles written and one of the unofficial guidelines in such cases is that the article should be extensive. From reading the article, I can't say I find much reasons why we should put it on ITN. --Tone 16:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with Tone, but draw the opposite conclusion. I think Cardinal Daly is more notable than the ex-presidents of Venezuela and Indonesia, as he obviously did more than "just his job". We really must take another look at how we post deaths. Physchim62 (talk) 16:22, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose, among those people we had on ITN recently, I don't think the notability is of the same scale. Large obituaries in newspapers do not necessarily establish level of notability. --Tone 14:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- The article is updated now, and we also have an obituary in the Boston Globe (USA). Physchim62 (talk) 13:53, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- You're our Ireland expert -- was this guy extraordinarily notable? There's little in his article that makes it seem as if that's the case. I mean, in the U.S., the only religious figure I could see qualifying as notable enough to merit an ITN entry upon a naturally caused death late in life is Billy Graham, who was able to fill stadiums for several days and has known every president since Harry Truman. My thought is that if you live in Ireland and you're unsure about his notability, his death is not ITN-level. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Icesave compensation
Iceland has finally agreed to cough up the money for its deposit insurance obligations after its spectacular financial collapse in October 2008. Granted, the €3.8bn represents 40% of Iceland's GDP, but they have until 2024 to pay it all. The article (which still needs updating, but otherwise is in fairly good shape) is Icesave dispute. Physchim62 (talk) 18:34, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, scrub that nomination for the moment, the President of Iceland is refusing to sign the Bill into law, so it will have to go to a referendum unless he changes his mind. Physchim62 (talk) 12:44, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Siegfried Sassoon papers
- A collection of Siegfried Sassoon's personal papers is successfully acquired by Cambridge University for £1.25 million, following a six-month fundraising campaign.
- Suggesting the above, which was carried by the BBC and Reuters ((BBC) (Reuters)), and I've updated the article, and there is a substantial paragraph there on the fund-raising campaign. The news was announced on 17 December, but I only just read about it now, and it was a six-month fundraising campaign, so it is not news that is as 'immediate' as others. It was also carried by the Daily Mail on 18 December (Daily Mail), which has extra details I will add to the article now. I added an entry about this to the Current Events Portal for 31st December (because that is when I read about it), but it might get moved to the 17th December. Not sure how 'late' news items like this are handled, but I thought it was something different that might be of interest. There are some pictures of Sassoon that could be used as well. Carcharoth (talk) 16:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support, not sure how often universities acquire such papers but a combination of Siegfried Sassoon and Cambridge University might be famous enough. --candle•wicke 21:30, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oh no, the 17th... the bottom item at the moment as seen is
The Wuhan–Guangzhou High-Speed Railway, the world's fastest commercial train service, is opened in the People's Republic of China
, dated December 26. I doubt they'll post this one. --candle•wicke 21:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)- I agree that it's come too late. We might make allowances for ongoing events, but this is effectively a one-off so we'd look a little silly calling it "news". Physchim62 (talk) 22:05, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oh no, the 17th... the bottom item at the moment as seen is
- Support, not sure how often universities acquire such papers but a combination of Siegfried Sassoon and Cambridge University might be famous enough. --candle•wicke 21:30, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
2010s
This may sound stupid, but since this is the first rollover in Wikipedia history, is there any way to acknowledge that a decade is even changing? That's like 1 century in Internet time.. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:16, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Most of the world celebrates New Year? In fact, this is the main event of the day. Actually, I'd support something like that if a good article existed... --Tone 15:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- How about the eclipse? "For the first time in more than 350 years, New Year's Eve will coincide with a lunar eclipse". Or the blue moon - "For only the second time in nearly two decades, December will end with Earth illuminated by a "Blue Moon". Are these events visible around the world? --candle•wicke 21:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- "For the first time in world history, Earth enters the 2010s." --PlasmaTwa2 00:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Not true!!! (see Hebrew calendar, Thai solar calendar...) :P Physchim62 (talk) 02:25, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- "For the first time in world history, Earth enters the 2010s." --PlasmaTwa2 00:43, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- How about the eclipse? "For the first time in more than 350 years, New Year's Eve will coincide with a lunar eclipse". Or the blue moon - "For only the second time in nearly two decades, December will end with Earth illuminated by a "Blue Moon". Are these events visible around the world? --candle•wicke 21:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Lithuania has to shut down it's only nuclear power plant as a condition to join the EU
Chernobyl-style plant supplies almost all of the country's electricty. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 11:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Oppose until they actually shut it down. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 11:30, 31 December 2009 (UTC)- Okay, wait 8.5 hours then. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 12:37, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, "when they actually shut it down" is 2100 UTC today – just time to do the necessary updates don't you think? Support. Shutting down a nuclear power station (permanently) is not a common event anyway, and this one is particularly significant because of the circumstances. Physchim62 (talk) 12:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant in Lithuania, the only RBMK nuclear power station in the European Union, is closed due to safety concerns. Physchim62 (talk) 13:02, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Described as the only one in the Baltic region. --candle•wicke 13:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support, but it is best if the [citation needed] tags in the article are dealt with before posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:41, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support but needs an update. The article does not mention closure. --Tone 15:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support, but probably the hook needs some rewording. Right now it reads like there was some kind of safety incident with this exact palnt why the plant was (temporarily) closed. It should be specified that the plant was closed permanently (finally) and not because there was something wrong with this particular plant, but because of safety concerns related to this type reactors in general. Also, maybe it could be more precise to say that the last reactor of the plant was shut down, because the first reactor was shut down already five years ago. Beagel (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- how about "is shut down after 22 years in service". I don't think we need all the minute details in an ITN blurb, just something which is factually correct. Physchim62 (talk) 19:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support, but probably the hook needs some rewording. Right now it reads like there was some kind of safety incident with this exact palnt why the plant was (temporarily) closed. It should be specified that the plant was closed permanently (finally) and not because there was something wrong with this particular plant, but because of safety concerns related to this type reactors in general. Also, maybe it could be more precise to say that the last reactor of the plant was shut down, because the first reactor was shut down already five years ago. Beagel (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support but needs an update. The article does not mention closure. --Tone 15:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support, but it is best if the [citation needed] tags in the article are dealt with before posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:41, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't think we should use an obscure term like "RBMK" in an ITN item, even if wikilinked. I would say something like "the EU's only nuclear power plant of the same type as Chernobyl." For brevity, I think we can use the abbreviation "EU" and "Chernobyl" as shorthand for the CNPP. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant in Lithuania, the only Chernobyl-type nuclear power station in the European Union, is shut down after 22 years service.
- Note that I've kept the link to RBMK because I think the lead of that article is clear enough for anyone who clicks on it; indeed, it makes the link between the two plants far clearer than the alternative link to Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. Ignalina is not an exact twin of Chernobyl, but I think "Chernobyl-type" is fair. Physchim62 (talk) 03:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Support. Wizardman Help review good articles 04:58, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Finland shooting
- Nom - At least three people are being killed by a gunman in Espoo after a shooting. Links: (Sky.com)(BBC) - TouLouse (talk) 10:09, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. The radio just said at least four have been killed now. --candle•wicke 11:01, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- What's significant about 4 people killed when killings of that number are (albeit not common) not infrequent? Ks0stm (T•C•G) 11:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- This is Finland though, not the United States. --candle•wicke 11:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Sadly though, Finland has seen quite a number of shootings as well these past years. Oppose, because it would be a case of systemic bias. Similar events in the third world don't make it onto ITN.sephia karta | di mi 16:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- This is Finland though, not the United States. --candle•wicke 11:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- What's significant about 4 people killed when killings of that number are (albeit not common) not infrequent? Ks0stm (T•C•G) 11:33, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. The radio just said at least four have been killed now. --candle•wicke 11:01, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support HonouraryMix (talk) 12:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support once the article has been expanded (currently one paragraph) Modest Genius talk 12:43, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Non-notable multiple murder. Put madmen and guns together and the results are sadly predictable. Physchim62 (talk) 12:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. I believe this is notable enough. It is on the headlines around the world. Offliner (talk) 13:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- 6th body is the gunman himself. He shot himself and, as well as the 4 in the mall, his ex-girlfriend. [2] HonouraryMix (talk) 15:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Patrick Stewart being knighted
Patrick Stewart, who played Captain Jean-Luc Picard in Star Trek: The Next Generation and Professor X in X-men, was knighted. ----J4\/4 <talk> 04:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, sorry. Congratulations to the bloke, but it's not significant enough for ITN- it'd be flooded if we reported every knighthood or similar award. HJMitchell You rang? 04:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Are there many similar awards to knighthoods though? --candle•wicke 09:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- How many people get knighted a year? Ks0stm (T•C•G) 11:31, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- How often does it happen? Once? Twice? Either way they seem to be highlighting him more than the recipients of the lesser awards. --candle•wicke 11:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- In the UK, there are two lists a year, at New Year's and for the Queen's Official Birthday in June. This time round, there were 21 knighthoods (including one KCB) and 6 dameships (the female equivalent, the British establishment never has been very up on gender equality). Physchim62 (talk) 12:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, because otherwise we'd end up having to mention every single knighthood (at least the ones with articles) Modest Genius talk 12:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- No, we won't end up having to mention every single knighthood, since we can decide about each case separately as we've done until now. This news is a bit anglophone-centric, but I believe that Stewart's role in Star Trek is well-known around the world. I don't think we've had anything Star Trek -related on ITN for a long time. The article also seems nice, therefore, weak support. Offliner (talk) 13:24, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, because otherwise we'd end up having to mention every single knighthood (at least the ones with articles) Modest Genius talk 12:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- In the UK, there are two lists a year, at New Year's and for the Queen's Official Birthday in June. This time round, there were 21 knighthoods (including one KCB) and 6 dameships (the female equivalent, the British establishment never has been very up on gender equality). Physchim62 (talk) 12:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- How often does it happen? Once? Twice? Either way they seem to be highlighting him more than the recipients of the lesser awards. --candle•wicke 11:48, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Support: Patrick Stewart was the lead actor on one of the best TV shows ever. Also, note that, although many other people were knighted as well, the news reports focus largely on Patrick Stewart rather than the others. --Jean-Luc Pikachu (talk) 13:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Several people receive this honour and we don't feature them on ITN. Though Stewart's work is great, I don't think adding Star Trek balance to ITN is necessary. --Tone 15:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Several people were knighted, but the news reports have focused almost exclusively on Patrick Stewart, and have for the most part ignored everyone else. --Jean-Luc Pikachu (talk) 15:53, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 16:04, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Question: would anyone support the New Year Honours List as an item, of which this would form a part along with members of Status Quo and Jenson Button since we have an interesting array of people getting honours. HJMitchell You rang? 16:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- I would support a generic story about the New Year's Honours list: the article is New Year Honours 2010. The article needs some work to mention the reaction to list (eg, Patrick Stewart, and the fact that no MPs have been honoured). It would be a reminder to editors to update the relevant articles. Physchim62 (talk) 17:03, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'll take a look! If I can make it decent before I get drunk (hey, it's new year!) I will! HJMitchell You rang? 17:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'd support, but the only prose on the article is the lead. I'm not sure if that's enough to meet ITN's standards. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 17:25, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- C'mon, DC, have I ever let you down? Just give me a chance! HJMitchell You rang? 17:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- OK, taking a look at it, there is very little prose, but it's a list rather than an article. Now, I can add some stuff about media reception to the honours to the list but I think it would look out of place. Trouble is, there is no decent article since everything redirects to a list. I don't think I'm going to be able to do this today. HJMitchell You rang? 18:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- But putting an annual event on ITN, as this would be in that case? I don't think there was anything special in comparisson with last years... --Tone 14:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
- I'd support, but the only prose on the article is the lead. I'm not sure if that's enough to meet ITN's standards. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 17:25, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'll take a look! If I can make it decent before I get drunk (hey, it's new year!) I will! HJMitchell You rang? 17:17, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
December 30
- Seven American CIA agents are killed by a suicide bomb attack in a US military base in Khost Province, Afghanistan. Two of the seven killed are contractors for Blackwater Worldwide. The CIA considers contractors to be officers. (BBC)(CNN)
- Four Canadian soldiers and a journalist, Michelle Lang of the Calgary Herald, are killed in a vehicle explosion in Kandahar, Afghanistan. (BBC) (CBC)
- Hundreds of protesters gather outside Allende prison in Veracruz, Mexico, objecting to the removal of inmates to allow U.S. film director Mel Gibson to shoot a controversial movie. (ABC News) (BBC) (France 24)[permanent dead link]
- Two people are found dead following three separate avalanches in Scotland, while a third person who was rescued dies later in hospital. (BBC) (The Press Association)
- A British hostage is released alive in Iraq following over two and a half years of captivity in Iraq and Iran. (BBC) (ABC News) (The Daily Telegraph) (Guardian)
- Former President of Indonesia Abdurrahman Wahid dies at the age of 69. (Kompas) (Jakarta Globe) (BBC)
- The death toll in clashes in the northern Nigerian state of Bauchi rises to 70, with 1,000 displaced. (Press TV) (This Day)[permanent dead link] (AFP)
- Taiwan announces plans to reimpose a ban on certain U.S. beef products amid concerns over mad cow disease. (Radio Taiwan International) (Financial Times)
- The Australian government predicts a 20% fall in the number of Indian students studying in the country, due to a series of racist attacks earlier this year. (BBC) (Press Trust of India) (ABC News Australia)
- Thousands of pro-government supporters in Iran demonstrate against recent anti-government protests on Ashura. (AFP) (Al Jazeera)
- A senior Chinese admiral says the country may build its first foreign naval base in the Middle East. (The Daily Telegraph) (AFP)
- Bushfires consume 13,400 hectares (33,000 acres) of land and destroy at least 37 homes near Toodyay, northeast of Perth, Western Australia. (BBC News)
- Police in Italy locate a wooden toy guitar sculpture which co-founder of Cubism Pablo Picasso made for his daughter Paloma. (BBC) (France 24) (The Daily Telegraph) (Philadelphia Inquirer)[permanent dead link]
- The US applies tariffs on Chinese steel pipes, as part of a series of tariffs amid at Chinese produced goods. (BBC)
ITN candidates for December 30
Death of Abdurrahman Wahid
- Former president of Indonesia, the fourth most populous country in the world. –Howard the Duck 14:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support TouLouse (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Blurb - Former President of Indonesia, Abdurrahman Wahid dies at the age of 69. TouLouse (talk) 15:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Expanded details on his death. Sources have been vague on the cause, and the BBC also reports that the cause has not yet been confirmed. Also suggest linking "President" to President of Indonesia instead. Arsonal (talk) 17:19, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Blurb - Former President of Indonesia, Abdurrahman Wahid dies at the age of 69. TouLouse (talk) 15:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support- former head of state is worthy of ITN. HJMitchell You rang? 17:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support former head of state, very significant figure who took over after Suharto. And Indonesia is a large country. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 17:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Economy of the People's Republic of China
China to Surpass Japan to Become 2nd Largest Economy in the world. [3] [4] [5] --Lanolamua (talk) 09:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- The newspapers (resources are not crystal balls, This is fact my friend. :) just the offical account give out once a year. --Lanolamua (talk) 10:18, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. We should add it once it has happened and has been confirmed. Offliner (talk) 09:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose as not a particularly significant event. Total (rather than per capita) GDP is the economists' equivalent of penis length a worthy subject of academic study, and also the subject of much childish boasting. Physchim62 (talk) 12:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support --Before2012 (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- China Is Now The World’s Second Largest Economy --Naloenal (talk) 12:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support --Before2012 (talk) 12:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose as not a particularly significant event. Total (rather than per capita) GDP is the economists' equivalent of penis length a worthy subject of academic study, and also the subject of much childish boasting. Physchim62 (talk) 12:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. We should add it once it has happened and has been confirmed. Offliner (talk) 09:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Oppose. China's economic gdp has already overtaken Japan in the later half (H2) of 2009 according to most experts.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gothic4ben (talk • contribs) 14:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. This look like WP:CRYSTAL and there is very little substantial fact, rather lots of speculation. Besides, it was going to happen, it was a case of when and we have had a lot of China related stories on ITN lately. HJMitchell You rang? 17:12, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose While it is a pretty significant event in geoeconomics, I would prefer to post something once we get confirmation from more authoritative sources such as the IMF or World Bank. Also, note that nowhere did NBS say that China surpassed Japan but that it will surpass it soon than expected. Nirvana888 (talk) 17:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Mordechai Vanunu
From yesterday's P:CE. This one seems a bit strange to me, especially given that the Israeli Supreme Court was about to rule on a request to relax Vanunu's parole conditions to let him live abroad. A controversial subject, especially within Israel. The article isn't wonderful, but is well referenced. Physchim62 (talk) 01:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting, but I'm not sure about international significance? HJMitchell You rang? 02:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well he has been a well known figure, especially due to his reports related to Israeli nuclear weapons program. Quite well known across the world for that. He is also know for being kidnapped by Israeli Intelligence operatives from Italy. --yousaf465' 04:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- After reading about him, I realize he is fairly significant. However, the current story (two days of house arrest) isn't significant. Oppose. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 05:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- That is your take than. I'm neutral on it. Not opposing nor supporting.--yousaf465' 07:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'd agree with you if it was two days house arrest and end-of-story: however, the house arrest (according to the BBC) is simply his bail conditions while he waits to appear in court. Physchim62 (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well then let's wait til the court proceedings have finished. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 15:33, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- I concur. Well put DC. HJMitchell You rang? 17:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- That is your take than. I'm neutral on it. Not opposing nor supporting.--yousaf465' 07:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- After reading about him, I realize he is fairly significant. However, the current story (two days of house arrest) isn't significant. Oppose. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 05:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well he has been a well known figure, especially due to his reports related to Israeli nuclear weapons program. Quite well known across the world for that. He is also know for being kidnapped by Israeli Intelligence operatives from Italy. --yousaf465' 04:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting, but I'm not sure about international significance? HJMitchell You rang? 02:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
South Sudan independence referendum
- The Sudanese parliament approves legislation for a referendum on the independence of South Sudan. (BBC News)
- Too local? Not final enough? It seems like a significant step to me, and in a country which doesn't always get the best of press. Physchim62 (talk) 01:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'll support if and when the referendum takes place, but not now. HJMitchell You rang? 02:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Physchim, there needs to be an accordingly-updated article flagged as part of any candidature. I imagine it would be this article, which honestly isn't in tip-top shape at the moment. With a bit of massaging to bring fully up-to-date, though, I think it would merit posting. The Tom (talk) 02:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Too local? Not final enough? It seems like a significant step to me, and in a country which doesn't always get the best of press. Physchim62 (talk) 01:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'd say wait til the referendum happens. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 04:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well I think we should wait till the referendum. That is till Jan 2011.--yousaf465' 04:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Iran violent protests and crackdown
- Iran pro-government Basij forces arrest more than 1500, while 8 to 38 are announced dead after violent protests. (NY times)
Note: These protests are a different event from last week's Ayatola's death. Need a specific announcement. Please improve my wording if needed.
- Support, need a specific announcement. That's a major event, like last year's Greek riots, or 2005 French ones. Yug (talk) 07:58, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Qualifiedsupport. Riots leading to multiple deaths are pretty rare events anywhere: apparently, these are the first deaths in Iranian riots for six months. I would guess we would have pressure to post a political riot which ended in even a single death if it occured in Europe or North America. However, the article to update is surely 2009 Ashura Iran anti-government protest rather than the more general Timeline of the 2009 Iranian election protests, and that former article needs a little bit of work doing on it before I could fully support. Physchim62 (talk) 12:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support--Sky4t0k (talk) 14:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. There's been a lot going on Iran lately and we haven't featured very much of it. Ideally, the blurb should recognise this is part of ongoing events, but there's only so much room on the template. HJMitchell You rang? 17:17, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'm working on improving 2009 Ashura Iran anti-government protest but it's in a bit of a state so it may take me a while. HJMitchell You rang? 17:37, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
How about:
(December 27). Physchim62 (talk) 18:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC) |
- I've seen figures from 500 to 3000 for the number of the arrests: does anyone have a preference? (I'm fine with not mentioning Ashura). Physchim62 (talk) 21:28, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
How about:
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...or something similar- wording's not perfect. HJMitchell You rang? 21:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Article now appears to be fit and ready for ITN due to the work of myself and (primarily) CordeliaNaismith, though any constructive criticism is invited! HJMitchell You rang? 00:20, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Looks ok now. Posting. --Tone 12:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
December 29
- Akmal Shaikh becomes the first EU native to be executed in China in 50 years. Gordon Brown releases a statement indicating that he is appalled. (BBC) (China Daily)
- The Sudanese parliament approves legislation for a referendum on the independence of South Sudan. (BBC News)
- A Turkish court sentences a Kurdish man to life in prison for a minibus bombing in 2005 that killed five people. (BBC) (Ireland Online)[permanent dead link]
- Bangladesh says it will repatriate 9,000 Rohingya refugees staying at camps in the country back to Burma. (The Daily Star) (Zee News) (Xinhua)
- Iran's Nobel Peace Prize winner Shirin Ebadi says her sister Nooshin, a medical professor and human rights activist, was arrested by authorities the previous evening. Sources indicate journalists have also been detained. (BBC) (UPI)
- Tiwonge Chimbalanga and Steven Monjeza, believed to have held Malawi's first gay engagement ceremony, are arrested and expected to be charged with gross public indecency. (BBC) (IOL)[permanent dead link]
- Serbia's Minister of Labour, Employment, and Social Affairs Rasim Ljajić resigns a job due to his inability to keep his promise to locate Ratko Mladić by the end of 2009. (BBC) (Houston Chronicle) (Reuters)
- Thailand completes its repatriation of over 4,000 Hmong refugees to neighbouring Laos. (Bangkok Post)[permanent dead link] (Al Jazeera)
- Somali pirates seize UK and Panamanian-flagged ships with international crews on board in the Gulf of Aden. (CNN) (New York Times)
- China displaces the U.S. as the largest overall buyer of Japanese goods in 2009. (Marketwatch) (Wall Street Journal)
- An American Christian activist is reportedly arrested after crossing into North Korea from China, according to North Korean media. (BBC) (Yonhap) (Reuters)
- Two Italians are injured and one American is killed in a shooting incident in Badghis Province, Afghanistan. (BBC)
ITN candidates for December 29
Akmal Shaikh
- Akmal Shaikh, a British man convicted of trafficking heroin in the People's Republic of China, is scheduled to be executed. [6] [7] He is to be the first European executed in China in 50 years. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:31, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
- The article appears to be in a good shape, although it will have to be updated after his execution. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:52, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- I just realized this is another China-related item. My goodness. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe so, but China is a big place- one sixth of the world's population lives there (if A level geography serves). It's also UK-related and it's big news here- at the time of writing it's lead story on BBC News, The Times, The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph. I'll support. HJMitchell You rang? 02:07, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- One fifth I believe, not to mention the second largest economy. I think this is big news in Britain but not that significant in the big scheme of things. 76.65.20.6 (talk) 05:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Wow!!! :-O If you don't mind I will carefully copy and paste what I was just intending to type and you can count that as a support.
====Execution/release/other new or unexpected development in the case of Akmal Shaikh====
"I've noticed this case has been getting great coverage internationally for a few days, for example CNN, Jakarta Post, Gulfnews, The Irish Times, The Sydney Morning Herald, Indian Express, CBC News. This apart from it involving China and the UK. He was arrested more than two years ago. Appeals have been made to have him released by Gordon Brown and Stephen Fry among others. I also see the article now says "If the execution goes ahead, Shaikh will be the first national of a European Union country to be executed in China in over 50 years". ITN has previously had international cases involving death sentences, including Joshua French and Tjostolv Moland in September. --candle•wicke 02:04, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the support but why "wow"? :) I had listed this item on the future events page a week ago... I suppose you hadn't noticed back then... --BorgQueen (talk) 02:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support once we know the outcome. This has gotten quite alot of coverage, as mentioned above. I've seen it on several American sites today. It would also be the first execution of a citizen of an EU country in 50 years in China, I believe. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 03:09, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support I think this is notable to be on ITN. Python eggs (talk) 03:10, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, sure then, my thinking was that this was a not really exceptional individual convicted of a non-exceptional crime (heroin smuggling). My guess is that because it got such big coverage in the UK, that it got filtered to a few presses in other countries. Anyway, I am cool with this since there's been a 50 years gap which makes it quite rare, as long as not every western individual execution case in a foreign country gets posted. 76.65.20.6 (talk) 05:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Nope, I think the last case was (as referred to above) Joshua French and Tjostolv Moland in September (and there were two of them). --candle•wicke 05:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Executions of foreign nationals (outside of wartime situations) are pretty rare anyway, but this one has received a lot of international attention. Apart from the French/Moland case (where the sentence was finally commuted), the only other recent execution I can think of which was so newsworthy was José Medellín (a case which had constitutional implications in the U.S.): that one didn't go up, possibly because all eyes were on the start of the Beijing Olympics at the time. Physchim62 (talk) 12:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Error. Was going to post this under the "errors" page but thought it would receive more attention here. There are serious issues with this item. I personally believe this is not even notable, especially compared to something like Liu Xiaobo, which I notice has been relegated off ITN perhaps due to the overabundance of China-related stories on ITN. As for the errors - one cannot be an "EU National". The European Union is not a "nation" in any sense, but rather a political union of various nation-states. You can be an "EU Citizen", but not a "EU National". This is not to mention that saying he is the "first EU national" to be executed in China in over 50 years is also incorrect. If the EU did not even exist 50 years ago, how can he be the "first" in fifty years? Colipon+(Talk) 08:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please fix the article first, after that I will be happy to fix the blurb accordingly. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Just fixed article to say he was the first citizen of a "European Country" to be executed in China in fifty years. Although there may well have been Russian nationals executed in China in the past fifty years and one could debate whether they can be considered "European". Colipon+(Talk) 08:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Also just checked references. Nothing says conclusively that this 'EU 50 years' claim is true. So please take these superlative claims off the main page ASAP, as news sites are probably going to feed off of Wikipedia and report the same thing. I would say take the "EU-50 years" thing out entirely. Colipon+(Talk) 09:13, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Pehaps you'd prefer "first EU citizen ever to be executed", which would be pedantically correct, but highly misleading. Physchim62 (talk) 12:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- We should write something about Japan Japan ready to cancel Iraq debt . --Before2012 (talk) 13:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Pehaps you'd prefer "first EU citizen ever to be executed", which would be pedantically correct, but highly misleading. Physchim62 (talk) 12:36, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:51, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Please fix the article first, after that I will be happy to fix the blurb accordingly. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Ship rescued
- A ship which was carrying 76,000 tons of coal and which was captured northeast of the Seychelles on 19 October (as it was sailing from South Africa to India) has been "rescued" from Somalia. There are also claims that a ransom has been paid which seems unusual. The links are from several countries. --candle•wicke 02:37, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support--Before2012 (talk) 10:50, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. This sort of thing happens virtually every week. In fact, the sources appear to be referring to two different ships, both of which have been released. What would be unusual would be if a ransom hadn't been paid. And the pirates have hijacked two more to replace them... Physchim62 (talk) 12:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, dozens of ships per year are ransomed from somali pirates. Modest Genius talk 19:48, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. This sort of thing happens virtually every week. In fact, the sources appear to be referring to two different ships, both of which have been released. What would be unusual would be if a ransom hadn't been paid. And the pirates have hijacked two more to replace them... Physchim62 (talk) 12:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support--Before2012 (talk) 10:50, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
100+ vehicle crash
- How often does an accident involve more than 100 vehicles and is it unusual enough for there to be an article? 10 dead, 19 injured. Has more international interest. --candle•wicke 03:24, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose First, its rather tabloid-ish. Second, we currently have two blurbs relating to China, and are likely to add a third shortly (see Akmal Shaikh above). Third, no article exists. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 03:29, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
One million articles on German Wikipedia
- I was wondering why there is no box or something like about this Wikipedia milestone on the Main Page (TheLocal.de). --bender235 (talk) 14:12, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Jealousy. --candle•wicke 19:43, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- These things get placed in the Wikipedia Signpost, as they are more of interest to active editors than our general (English-language) readership. Physchim62 (talk) 01:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- I agree it's better situated in signpost.--yousaf465' 04:37, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- These things get placed in the Wikipedia Signpost, as they are more of interest to active editors than our general (English-language) readership. Physchim62 (talk) 01:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Suicide Attack on Ashura Procession
- 43 dead and dozens injured in a suicide bombing on a Shia procession on the day of Ashura, in Karachi, Pakistan. (BBC News) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taqi Haider (talk • contribs)
- Support. Death toll seems to have risen to 30 now. "The attacker had been walking amidst a procession with tens of thousands of people". --candle•wicke 16:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. We have 2009 Ashura Iran anti-government protest but probably this is not the best article - a separate would suit better. --Tone 17:03, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support--Sky4t0k (talk) 14:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment -- I think this item has enough support and significance but it still wasn't posted, might I ask why? Taqi Haider (talk) 09:00, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
- Comment -- could it be suicide bombing fatigue. if we post each and every suicide bombing in Pakistan on ITN then thats all there will be. the article was created though 2009 Karachi bombing just my 2 cents .Wikireader41 (talk) 21:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
December 28
- 77-year-old Japanese Finance Minister Hirohisa Fujii is hospitalised after suffering from high blood pressure and fatigue. (The Straits Times)
- Two Argentine men become the first gay couple to legally marry in Latin America at a civil ceremony. (Buenos Aires Herald) (BBC)
- Xinhua News Agency says China has rescued 25 sailors and the De Xin Hai, the hijacked Chinese cargo ship, two months after they were seized off Somalia. (The New York Times) (Al Jazeera)
- A mine explosion in Shuangbai County, Yunnan causes more deaths to add to those from a similar incident in Jiexiu, Shanxi yesterday, bringing the total deaths for the two incidents to 17, with six other people still trapped. (The Straits Times)
- China donates 1.1 million dollars to an irrigation project in Guantánamo Province, Cuba. (AFP)
- Construction begins on China's largest civil aircraft final assembly base in Shanghai. (Xinhua News Agency)
- Authorities in Guangdong, China shut down a battery factory and commence health checks of all children in the region after it is discovered that dozens of poisoned children had high levels of lead in their blood. (The Straits Times) (Hindustan Times) (China Daily)
- Clashes between joint military-police forces and an Islamic sect in Bauchi, Nigeria, result in at least 35 deaths. (The Guardian Nigeria) (IOL) (AFP)
- Iran declares martial law in Najafabad following a week of protest and 2 days of violence. (WashingtonTV)
- Ireland's most senior Cardinal, Cahal Daly, is reported to be "seriously ill" in hospital. (BBC) (RTÉ)
- 25 dead and dozens injured in a suicide bombing on a Shia procession on the day of Ashura, in Karachi, Pakistan. (BBC News)
- Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin opens the Eastern Siberia – Pacific Ocean oil pipeline. (RIA Novosti) (AFP)
- At least 2,000 hectares and 20 homes are destroyed and hundreds of people are evacuated after a suspected arson causes forest fires in Valparaíso, Chile. (BBC)
- President of Venezuela Hugo Chávez quotes Mary and Karl Marx in a New Year message broadcast by state media, describing an end to the "illusion" of Barack Obama and predicting a global ecological disaster. (Reuters)
- At least 25 people are confirmed wounded after battles over a fatal stabbing between local people and gold miners from Brazil in Albina, Suriname. (BBC)
- Seven people die in a series of avalanche incidents in Italy. (BBC) (Xinhua)
- At least 10 people die and 19 others are injured when more than 100 vehicles smash into each other near Poyang Lake in Jiangxi, China. (The Straits Times) (Melbourne Herald Sun) (Xinhua News Agency) (Press Trust of India)
- One woman dies and at least 18 people are injured after a bus overturns in Gorey, Ireland. An ambulance also overturns. (RTÉ) (BBC)
- Security forces in Iran arrest several opposition figures after recent demonstrations. (Al Jazeera)
- Thailand begins repatriating 4,000 Hmong to Laos against their will, despite international protest. (BBC News) (Bangkok Post)[permanent dead link]
- Three people are dead and two are seriously injured following a fuel tanker crash and explosion near Batemans Bay, on the south coast of New South Wales, Australia. (ABC-Australia) SMH
- A Vietnamese court sentences a former dissident army officer, Tran Anh Kim, to five years in prison on charges of subverting the government. (VOV News.vn) (AFP)
- Three people die and two others are injured when a bomb suspected to have come from Nepal's civil war explodes in Chitwan, southwest of Kathmandu. (The Straits Times)
- American musician, James "The Rev" Sullivan, found dead in his home in Huntington Beach, California, from an accidental overdose at age 28.
ITN candidates for December 28
Death of Maryam Babangida
- A terrible tragedy for the second largest African economy, 154,729,000 people (most populous African country, eighth most populous country in the world, and the most populous country in the world in which the majority of the population is black), English language speakers of Nigeria (and it happened in the United States too). "Considered to be one of the greatest women in Africa today". --candle•wicke 05:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- None of which explains why she's significant outside Nigeria. Oppose ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 05:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Was she a first lady? I'm not sure, but I don't think being a first lady is all that important. --PlasmaTwa2 05:54, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Opposeper DC unless someone can elaborate as to her international significance... HJMitchell You rang? 14:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)- Because Africa is quite a large continent. And she is considered important to Africa, improved life for rural women, etc. "She dictated the fashion pace for Nigerian ladies during her time and she literally invented the office of the First Lady in the country". This one is from Ghana. It seems to have affected a lot of people in Africa. There are so many more articles than usual dedicated to her. --candle•wicke 16:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose --Before2012 (talk) 18:10, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Those sources work for me, she seems a very prominent lady and news sources all over the place are reporting her death. HJMitchell You rang? 18:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support per HJMitchell. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- I understand the desire to combat "systemic bias" by including a nationally significant figure from a developing country who largely escapes the eye of "major" English-language media in the U.S. and UK. However, I don't know if ITN is the place to combat systemic bias, since we're supposed to be featuring Wikipedia content of particular quality. There's nothing particularly wrong with the Maryam Babangida article, but regretfully it reads much like an obituary of a Rotary Club president in a smalltown newspaper. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:43, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support per HJMitchell. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Those sources work for me, she seems a very prominent lady and news sources all over the place are reporting her death. HJMitchell You rang? 18:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- None of which explains why she's significant outside Nigeria. Oppose ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 05:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support something like: Former first lady of Nigeria Maryam Babangida, who worked to improve women rights, dies of ovarian cancer. Prominent figure in the country and continent. Grsz11 18:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Mentioned by Xinhua now as well. I wonder why the American media is ignoring this since she died there... --candle•wicke 18:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Will the Wall Street Journal do? I've yet to find anything from CNN, New York Times etc though... HJMitchell You rang? 19:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, simply does meet the death criteria. Simply being well known is not enough. I question that she is important throughout Africa, although she seems to have been well known in English-speaking West Africa. But what did she actually do? Nothing particularly spectacular, as far as I can tell, apart from being married to an army general who pulled off a military coup. Bog-standard first lady, not significant enough for an ITN obituary. Physchim62 (talk) 19:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- She was President of the Nigerian Army Officers Wives Association (NAOWA), chairperson of the Better Life for Rural Women, a writer, some sort of fashion icon, and one quote "It was during her twenty-month presidency [of the NAOWA] that her leadership qualities were first unfolded to the public as she mobilised her colleagues to embark aggressively on public spirited ventures which included building schools, clinics, women's multipurpose training centres and child day care centres". She did all this and yet she was criticised by feminists (according to her article). --candle•wicke 19:41, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - per above. Connormah (talk) 22:54, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose, simply does meet the death criteria. Simply being well known is not enough. I question that she is important throughout Africa, although she seems to have been well known in English-speaking West Africa. But what did she actually do? Nothing particularly spectacular, as far as I can tell, apart from being married to an army general who pulled off a military coup. Bog-standard first lady, not significant enough for an ITN obituary. Physchim62 (talk) 19:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose as well per above. Not an overly significant figure. Wizardman Help review good articles 06:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Will the Wall Street Journal do? I've yet to find anything from CNN, New York Times etc though... HJMitchell You rang? 19:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Mentioned by Xinhua now as well. I wonder why the American media is ignoring this since she died there... --candle•wicke 18:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Hmong refugees
- Thailand starts repatriating 4,000 Hmong to Laos against their will, dispite international protest. (BBC News)
- Long running controversy that seems to be coming to a head. The article is in good shape. Physchim62 (talk) 01:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- "against their will" is redundant here, given that they are asylum seekers. Should be removed. Otherwise, I support this on ITN. --Tone 15:46, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support--Before2012 (talk) 18:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Pipeline
- Eastern Siberia – Pacific Ocean oil pipeline. Opened today. But the article needs some updates. --Tone 15:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Iran protests
- Any article updates available? --Tone 15:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Anti-regime demonstrations of 26th and 27th of December 2009 in Iran, but Oppose. Nothing new or breaking here. Grsz11 18:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- NOTE: Martial law declared(see below). Is that new in Iran? --220.101.28.25 (talk) 03:15, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Anti-regime demonstrations of 26th and 27th of December 2009 in Iran, but Oppose. Nothing new or breaking here. Grsz11 18:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Any article updates available? --Tone 15:57, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Iran martial law
- Iran declares martial law in Najafabad following a week of protest and 2 days of violences. (WashingtonTV) Yug (talk) 03:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. --candle•wicke 03:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Yug (talk) 03:49, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support--Sky4t0k (talk) 14:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
December 27
- A consortium led by Korea Electric Power gets a US$20.4-billion contract to build nuclear power plants in the United Arab Emirates, the largest-ever energy deal in the Middle East. (The Wall Street Journal) (Korea Times)
- Officials in Yemen say top Houthi leader Abdul-Malik al-Houthi has been killed during an offensive in the north of the country. (Yemen News Agency) (Reuters)
- At least six people are dead and many missing after a ferry sinks off Verde Island near Batangas, Philippines, the second such disaster in as many days. (GMA News.tv) (China Daily)
- Iran anti-government protest:
- The nephew of opposition leader Mir-Hossein Mousavi is killed by security forces in clashes with protestors. (Reuters)
- Iranian police clash with opposition protesters in central Tehran and other cities, with reports of some deaths. (Al Jazeera) (BBC)
- Uzbekistan holds a parliamentary election to elect members of the Supreme Assembly. (Al Jazeera) (Uzbekistan National News Agency) (Reuters)
- Croatia holds a presidential election. (BBC News) (AFP)
- A tomb, believed to be that of Cao Cao, one of the Chinese leaders during the Three Kingdoms period, is discovered in Henan Province. (Xinhua) (ABC)
ITN candidates for December 27
Cao Cao
- A tomb, believed to be that of Cao Cao, one of the Chinese leaders during the Three Kingdoms period, is discovered in the Henan Province of the People's Republic of China.
- Any thoughts? --PlasmaTwa2 21:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Well if that isn't an ITN I don't know what is. Support. --candle•wicke 22:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support, seems to have wide interest. The update needs some work doing on it, and we should add "(died 220 CE)" to the blurb. Physchim62 (talk) 00:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support but only when the article is brought into shape- it has precious few references for large chunks of info... HJMitchell You rang? 02:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Agree with above. Article needs significant expansion and references.--Johnsemlak (talk) 04:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. sephia karta | di mi 13:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Seems it is confirmed with enough confidence that it was his. I would be splendid to have some free photos but I'll support even without that. Ready to post? --Tone 15:53, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Apparently, a pro-China biase at the moment, 3/6 items in the current ITN ;-) --Tone 16:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. I suppose we need something from Europe or America soon... --BorgQueen (talk) 16:17, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- The new pipeline will benefit China as well... I suggest first round of election in Croatia for balance, it's fine now. --Tone 16:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- A blurb for the Croatian election please? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Feel free to comment below:, at the moment, the vague feeling is that we shouldn't post the Croatian election. Physchim62 (talk) 19:12, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Hehe yeah I suppose this week is pretty ITNewsy for China. Guess it really attests to China's emergence in our everyday lives.
- Support--Before2012 (talk) 18:05, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- A blurb for the Croatian election please? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- The new pipeline will benefit China as well... I suggest first round of election in Croatia for balance, it's fine now. --Tone 16:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. I suppose we need something from Europe or America soon... --BorgQueen (talk) 16:17, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Apparently, a pro-China biase at the moment, 3/6 items in the current ITN ;-) --Tone 16:15, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support Cao Cao is one of the most important man in Three Kingdoms period, and has significant impact to the Chinese culture. Python eggs (talk) 22:30, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Korea-UAE nuclear plant deal
- How about: A consortium led by the Korea Electric Power gets a US$20.4-billion contract to build nuclear power plants in the United Arab Emirates, the largest-ever energy deal in the Middle East. (The Wall Street Journal) (Korea Times) The article Korea Electric Power needs to be updated though. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose we don't post all of GE's government contracts on ITN. ~ DC (Talk|Edits) 05:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Thank you, DC. Well put. HJMitchell You rang? 18:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose--Before2012 (talk) 18:25, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Elections
Uzbekistan holds the Uzbekistani parliamentary election, 2009 to elect members of the Supreme Assembly of Uzbekistan - Dumelow (talk) 12:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
- Polls are closed in Uzbekistan now. The elections were a farce, of course, with all parties supporting the dictatorship there, but the article is in reasonable shape. Turnout 87.8%. Results are expected Monday evening Uzbekistan time (UTC+5). Physchim62 (talk) 19:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- It seems like there will be a second round in 41 districts (out of 135), probably on 10 January. Physchim62 (talk) 18:42, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Also the first round of the Croatian presidential election, 2009–2010 which could see a president elected (if needed second round is on Jan 10 2010) - Dumelow (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- Croatian polls closed as well, results expected at the end of this evening (CET, UTC+1). A second round seems almost inevitable with 12 candidates in the running. Physchim62 (talk) 19:14, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- There will be a second round for sure. However, it is not completely clear, who will go there (3 candidates close for 2nd place) so we should wait a little before posting any outcome. --Tone 20:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Do we usually publish first round results of two-round elections? I'd be tempted to wait until 10 January. Physchim62 (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Good question. I remember we used to post first round results but I don't remember any such case recently... I am fine with any of the two options. --Tone 21:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- There are 22 countries that use the two-round system to elect their presidents, including such "biggies" as Brazil and France, so it's the sort of question that should arise about four times a year. Not reporting first round results is more consistent with the policy of only posting election stories once the results are in. Mind you, I think ITN has become too dogmatic on applying the "no official results, no posting" rule, most recently in the German legislative elections (the opposition had accepted defeat a full six hours before the results were posted on ITN). We could always allow first round results that are particularly notable (eg, French presidential election, 2002) while keeping them out of WP:ITNR. Physchim62 (talk) 21:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Good question. I remember we used to post first round results but I don't remember any such case recently... I am fine with any of the two options. --Tone 21:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Do we usually publish first round results of two-round elections? I'd be tempted to wait until 10 January. Physchim62 (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- There will be a second round for sure. However, it is not completely clear, who will go there (3 candidates close for 2nd place) so we should wait a little before posting any outcome. --Tone 20:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'd say wait until the second round results are known, then I'll support. HJMitchell You rang? 18:18, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
First possible observation of dark matter
Was this proposed? Nergaal (talk) 04:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Such discoveries must first be published in a peer-reviewed journal, so we should wait. --Tone 10:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- I noticed it passing through, but it is a very preliminary result. Take this quote from the BBC story: "While this result is consistent with dark matter, it is also consistent with backgrounds." Physchim62 (talk) 11:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support when we actually have incontrovertible proof of dark matter but "possible" and "preliminary" do not belong on ITN IMHO. HJMitchell You rang? 12:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- It is possible, but not confirmed. So on those grounds, oppose. Btw, I had to read the Simple English article to understand what 'dark matter' is. Some normal English articles could be a bit more articulate, but that's not for discussing here. Cargoking talk 23:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Not yet. "So we can make no claim to have discovered WIMPS," the research team said . -SusanLesch (talk) 23:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- It is possible, but not confirmed. So on those grounds, oppose. Btw, I had to read the Simple English article to understand what 'dark matter' is. Some normal English articles could be a bit more articulate, but that's not for discussing here. Cargoking talk 23:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support when we actually have incontrovertible proof of dark matter but "possible" and "preliminary" do not belong on ITN IMHO. HJMitchell You rang? 12:06, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- I noticed it passing through, but it is a very preliminary result. Take this quote from the BBC story: "While this result is consistent with dark matter, it is also consistent with backgrounds." Physchim62 (talk) 11:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Death of Dennis Brutus
- Important? "Mr Brutus was an anti-apartheid activist who was jailed at Robben Island with Nelson Mandela in the mid-1960s. His activism led Olympic officials to ban South Africa from competition from 1964 until apartheid ended nearly 30 years later". --candle•wicke 02:32, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- My view on the deaths of older people by natural causes is they should only be included if the person is of extraordinary notability -- such as Mandela himself. I don't know if this gentleman, important as he may have been, meets that standard. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- We definitely need clearer, tighter death criteria. Unfortunately, I must oppose this one. HJMitchell You rang? 12:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose because the gentleman was 85. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- We definitely need clearer, tighter death criteria. Unfortunately, I must oppose this one. HJMitchell You rang? 12:03, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- My view on the deaths of older people by natural causes is they should only be included if the person is of extraordinary notability -- such as Mandela himself. I don't know if this gentleman, important as he may have been, meets that standard. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Urban Meyer announces resignation due to health concerns
- ([8]). Shocking news from the world of college football today as the most-successful coach of the 2000s, with 95 wins and 18 losses, announces he is leaving the job completely unexpectedly. It's worth remembering that college football is nearly the second-most-popular sport in the U.S. ([9]) and that coaches are especially important as they call the plays and recruit the players. Admittedly this news will have little impact outside North America, but will be of interest to far more readers than many recent ITN items, deserving as those other items may be. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Nearly the second-most-popular ? (By the way, I clicked that link and I got something about the discovery of dark matter which may be more useful). --candle•wicke 05:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Fixed the link. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 07:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Football, a sport no one else cares about. And it's not even professional football. -- tariqabjotu 06:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- My view is that it doesn't matter who doesn't care about something; it should only matter if a lot of people do care about it. Most ITN items are not of interest to most people (Venezuelan presidents, anyone?). -- Mwalcoff (talk) 07:43, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Not notable outside of the United States, and even there it has limited notability. --PlasmaTwa2 09:09, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Plasma, you took the words right out of my mouth (metaphorically!). HJMitchell You rang? 11:57, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not even close. Yes it's big sports news in the US but it's not really that big of a deal for people who don't follow the sport. The only manager whose retirement I would support as a notable event would be Alex Ferguson.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Who? OK, I've heard of him, but be honest: How many Americans outside of the relatively small soccer-following crowd in the country have? If we can't have Urban Meyer (or the eventual (?) retirement of Joe Paterno) because they're relatively unknown outside of the US, shouldn't we also disallow Alex Ferguson on the grounds that hardly anyone inside the US has heard of him? And that's not even to get into the argument that American-football coaches actually control the game while soccer coaches don't really do anything once the whistle blows except substitute a couple of players over 90 minutes. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 15:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Not even close. Yes it's big sports news in the US but it's not really that big of a deal for people who don't follow the sport. The only manager whose retirement I would support as a notable event would be Alex Ferguson.--Johnsemlak (talk) 12:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- My view is that it doesn't matter who doesn't care about something; it should only matter if a lot of people do care about it. Most ITN items are not of interest to most people (Venezuelan presidents, anyone?). -- Mwalcoff (talk) 07:43, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Wait for a certain game on January 7, 2010. That might have a shot.
- P.S. How about this guy when he retires? ITN snub too? –Howard the Duck 16:11, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- What "game" is this? --candle•wicke 16:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- This. –Howard the Duck 16:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Nope, never heard of it, will have to look into it in more detail. Thanks for giving an advance warning. :) --candle•wicke 16:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oh the "Bowl finale", that's on ITNR anyway. --candle•wicke 16:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Nope, it's not "that bowl finale. –Howard the Duck 16:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oh I see. There's more than one? --candle•wicke 16:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- This one is for college football. –Howard the Duck 16:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- And is college football related to American football? --candle•wicke 16:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- The game played by the colleges and professionals (NFL) is the same -- American football, only that there are some minor rules variations. (I think it's on defensive formations, I'm not sure on that, though.) The best college players play on the NFL after they graduate. –Howard the Duck 16:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- So it's like some sort of league for reserve teams full of underdeveloped players? --candle•wicke 16:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- No, it's the best 18-23 year old players, who play before fanatical crowds of up to 112,000. It's kind of a big tradition and a way of life in much of the country. Famous college coaches like Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden are probably better-known than the governors of their respective states, and the Heisman Trophy for the best college-football player is the best-known individual honor in American sports. People travel around the country following their favorite teams and paint the interior of their houses in Alabama Crimson Tide or Tennessee Volunteers or whatever colors. There are even coffins you can be buried in with the colors and logos of college-football teams. The college-football championship Howard mentioned is the 2nd biggest sports event of the year in the US by average TV viewership. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 16:49, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- So it's like some sort of league for reserve teams full of underdeveloped players? --candle•wicke 16:46, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- The game played by the colleges and professionals (NFL) is the same -- American football, only that there are some minor rules variations. (I think it's on defensive formations, I'm not sure on that, though.) The best college players play on the NFL after they graduate. –Howard the Duck 16:40, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- And is college football related to American football? --candle•wicke 16:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- This one is for college football. –Howard the Duck 16:31, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oh I see. There's more than one? --candle•wicke 16:26, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Nope, it's not "that bowl finale. –Howard the Duck 16:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oh the "Bowl finale", that's on ITNR anyway. --candle•wicke 16:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Nope, never heard of it, will have to look into it in more detail. Thanks for giving an advance warning. :) --candle•wicke 16:20, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- This. –Howard the Duck 16:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- What "game" is this? --candle•wicke 16:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- As for this item, we should perhaps lay it off. I'd say Pete Carroll is bigger, and he'd won't be added here if he retires, unless he tragically dies by being chopped by a shillelagh by naughty Notre Dame fans. I'd rather watch the debate on the BCS National Championship Game (not that followed elsewhere, maybe in Canada) and the Men's Division I Basketball Championship Game (the basketball event seems to have a more "international" following). –Howard the Duck 17:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Aborted? --candle•wicke 17:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Aborted as in Roe v. Wade. –Howard the Duck 17:18, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Howard's referring to Tim Tebow, the best-known college player of the past few years, whose parents are missionaries in the Philippines. His mom's pregnancy was difficult, and the doctor recommended an abortion, but she went ahead with the birth and delivered a healthy "miracle" baby. I doubt it was much in the papers at the time, though. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 17:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Aborted as in Roe v. Wade. –Howard the Duck 17:18, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Aborted? --candle•wicke 17:12, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Now it turns out Meyer has changed his mind and hopes to return to the sideline next season. So never mind. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:47, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- There something about Florida coaches and flip-flopping on their decisions. –Howard the Duck 01:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
December 26
- A bomb squad in Reykjavík, Iceland, searches a diverted Lufthansa flight from Frankfurt, Germany, to Detroit, Michigan, United States, that carries a bag whose owner did not make it onto the plane. (Reuters)
- A bomb explodes under the car of a suspected Hamas member in southern Beirut, Lebanon, killing at least one person and injuring two others. (Lebanese National News Agency) (Al Jazeera)
- Countries around the Indian Ocean hold commemorations on the fifth anniversary of the earthquake and tsunami that killed around 250,000 people. (BBC) (euronews)
- A bridge over the Chambal River in Kota, India, collapses with 45 people thought to have been killed. (CNN)
- It is confirmed that all nine missing crew members — six Filipinos and three Greeks — from yesterday's ship fire disaster off the coast of Venezuela are dead. (BBC)
- Ten people die and two more receive injuries after being pierced by a metal guard rail during a bus crash on a major highway in Ipoh, Malaysia. (Malaysian Star)
- Five Chinese are sentenced to execution by firing squad before a court in Vietnam for their roles in one of the largest drug seizures in the country's history. (Press Association)
ITN candidates for December 26
Wuhan-Guangzhou High-Speed Railway
Wuhan-Guangzhou High-Speed Railway a 1068km long bullet train line running at 350km/h between two of China's largest cities will open for business. This is a $17 billion dollar investment for the country. Huge by Chinese standards.
The project is also impressive by world standards. High-speed rail by country This is the fastest high speed train and the length of this route alone is almost equivalent to all the high speed track length of Germany.
Shiplevelone (talk) 13:52, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. --candle•wicke 20:33, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Seems important enough. Not much more to say. It opened today. __meco (talk) 20:46, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support, it is significant in several senses; however, the article is at the limits of acceptibility, if anyone feels like spending a bit of time on it. Physchim62 (talk) 22:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support if there is a picture. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:22, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Give me a good blurb, please. --Tone 00:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support when, and only when the article sees some improvement. There are only 3 refs (one is a bare URL) and there is very little substantial information in it. I'd recommend a search for a few decent news sources, which often contain good background info. HJMitchell You rang? 00:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support --Before2012 (talk) 18:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
- People's Republic of China opens the Wuhan-Guangzhou High-Speed Railway at the average speed of 350 kilometres (220 mi) per hour, the world's fastest.
- Attempted blurb. Article is about a start class now. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- The article does not mention "350 kilometres (220 mi) per hour", just says "more than 300 kilometres (190 mi)". Can you clarify this please?--BorgQueen (talk) 01:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you. Fixed. Also the talk page says that trains have traveled faster. I don't know about that. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:44, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Impressive. You now have my unconditional support- the article is in much better shape with more info, more refs etc. As for a blurb:
- The article does not mention "350 kilometres (220 mi) per hour", just says "more than 300 kilometres (190 mi)". Can you clarify this please?--BorgQueen (talk) 01:39, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- The Wuhan-Guangzhou High-Speed Railway, the world's fastest high speed railway open in China with an average speed of 350 kilometres (220 mi) per hour?
-HJMitchell You rang? 01:48, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Ship fire
- A fire on board the Greek ship Aegean Wind 100 miles off the coast of Venezuala kills all 9 crew. HJMitchell You rang? 15:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Hard to say without an article. However, there were two accidents with higher number of casualties today, according to the above box. --Tone 15:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support when ready. The crew were from two separate continents and the incident happened on a third continent. It was also unknown if they were dead for some time. --candle•wicke 20:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Crews die at sea on almost a daily basis, just most don't make the news. Modest Genius talk 20:43, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Sad finding. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:24, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support when ready. The crew were from two separate continents and the incident happened on a third continent. It was also unknown if they were dead for some time. --candle•wicke 20:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Death of George Cowling
- George Cowling, the presenter of the first televised weather forecast dies at the age of 89. HJMitchell You rang? 16:11, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Obviously important in their field of expertise. --candle•wicke 20:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- I'll support if the article gets improved, atm it's pretty much a stub. Modest Genius talk 20:45, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- There's very little info in the article at the minute, and it fail's the "three reference" criterion. I'm not convinced that more information could be found in the time available, but I'll reconsider if the article is expanded. Oppose for the minute. Physchim62 (talk) 20:58, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. We have too many deaths here. This one is not crucial. __meco (talk) 20:48, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose per meco. Nice but not overly important. Wizardman 22:26, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose until the article contains a reasonable amount of information on Cowling's death and the societal impact thereof. (At the moment, it conveys only that "he died on Christmas Eve 2009 after a short stay in hospital.") —David Levy 22:30, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose. Sorry but the gentleman was 89. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)