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*::And yes, I'm not sure Bobby Sands would've been posted for the same reason, albeit he was a decent degree more notable than the subject here considering Sands was technically a sitting MP at the time of his death. [[User:The Kip|The Kip]] ([[User talk:The Kip|talk]]) 01:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
*::And yes, I'm not sure Bobby Sands would've been posted for the same reason, albeit he was a decent degree more notable than the subject here considering Sands was technically a sitting MP at the time of his death. [[User:The Kip|The Kip]] ([[User talk:The Kip|talk]]) 01:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*::I'll also note that the userbox on your user page doesn't exactly make you a neutral observer here, so I stand to question whether you want this posted on actual notability or this is instead a grand [[WP:SOAP]] gesture. [[User:The Kip|The Kip]] ([[User talk:The Kip|talk]]) 01:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
*::I'll also note that the userbox on your user page doesn't exactly make you a neutral observer here, so I stand to question whether you want this posted on actual notability or this is instead a grand [[WP:SOAP]] gesture. [[User:The Kip|The Kip]] ([[User talk:The Kip|talk]]) 01:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC) |
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*:::Note what you like, but you appear to have as much trouble comprehending the userbox as you do assuming good faith. The blurbing is about somebody dying from a hunger strike, something that news sources across the world are treating as a noteworthy act. The Russo-Ukrainian War events are shot down because, ahem, the Russo-Ukrainian War is listed in ongoing. I dont see a listing for any of the following: Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Palestinian prisoners in Israel, Hunger strikes among Palestinian prisoners in Israel. But I guess my userbox makes me as non-neutral as sources giving this attention like [https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/02/middleeast/khader-adnan-dies-hunger-strike-intl-hnk/index.html CNN], [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/world/middleeast/palestinian-hunger-strike-khader-adnan-dies.html NYTimes] (hey they ran a story about [https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/02/world/hunger-strikes-explainer.html hunger strikes too]), [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/02/khader-adnan-israel-hunger-strike/ Washington Post], [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/02/palestinian-khader-adnan-dies-in-israel-jail-after-87-day-hunger-strike the Guardian], and on and on. Guess they all are non-neutral observers too? <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">'''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17">nableezy</span>]]''' - 02:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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:<s>'''Oppose blurb''' the Israel-Palestine issue is always so volatile and extreme historically, we'd really need someone way more important to die (eg. government head etc.) to merit a blurb. Activists in this conflict die often, and protests / unrest on either side happens so often. This does not seem so incredible or unusual to me to deserve a whole blurb. [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 19:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC) |
:<s>'''Oppose blurb''' the Israel-Palestine issue is always so volatile and extreme historically, we'd really need someone way more important to die (eg. government head etc.) to merit a blurb. Activists in this conflict die often, and protests / unrest on either side happens so often. This does not seem so incredible or unusual to me to deserve a whole blurb. [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 19:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC) |
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::Support RD though - article looks good to me [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 19:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)</s><small>non-ec editor comment struck</small> |
::Support RD though - article looks good to me [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 19:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)</s><small>non-ec editor comment struck</small> |
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RD: Charles Engola
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): CTV News
Credits:
- Nominated by Fahads1982 (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: -- He was Ugandan minister and shot and killed by his bodyguard -- Fahads1982 (talk) 15:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Valentin Yudashkin
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Starhit.ru
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Russian fashion designer. СтасС (talk) 11:49, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Writers Guild of America strike
Blurb: The Writers Guild of America goes on strike after talks with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers failed. ()
Alternative blurb: The Writers Guild of America West and Writers Guild of America, East unanimously approve to go on strike after talks with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers failed.
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter, Deadline, Reuters
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Nominator's comments: First WGA strike since the 2007–08 one. Vida0007 (talk) 08:36, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:01, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. There are lots of strikes going on around the world. I don't see any reason why this one should get a blurb when all the others didn't. Neither the nomination nor the article demonstrates any unusual significance. Modest Genius talk 11:12, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Article quality is currently not yet at the level where it's a good one to feature on the frontpage. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Compared to labor strikes in France and elsewhere, this is nowhere close to having any type of major impact outside the delay of some upcoming shows and films. --Masem (t) 12:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose for now on quality grounds. The article is light on prose, if it were expanded some more, I would fully support this. --Jayron32 12:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose - Depth: Decent coverage over multiple news sources, mostly U.S. based. ... Impact: May prevent current and future American television shows from airing such as the Jimmy Kimmel Show. ... Consequences: Certainly unpleasant for the writers, but likely temporary as a settlement will eventually be reached as with previous strikes. ... Encyclopedic: Appears to merit an individual article. ... With all that being said, the lack of long-term consequences for such an event, other than mildly inconveniencing television viewers, makes this an unlikely ITN candidate. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Strong Support per nomination.
- Impact:significant.
- "Decent coverage over multiple news sources, mostly U.S. based"
- only some of sources outside of US
- https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/may/01/hollywood-writers-studios-hold-talks-strike-deadline-looms
- https://news.sky.com/story/writers-guild-of-america-votes-to-strike-after-talks-with-hollywood-studios-fail-12871072
- https://www.dw.com/en/hollywood-writers-to-go-on-strike-over-pay/a-65488752
- https://www.lemonde.fr/en/united-states/article/2023/05/02/thousands-of-hollywood-writers-to-strike-over-pay-and-work-conditions_6025089_133.html
- https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2023/05/02/64509e75268e3e7e4c8b458c.html Kirill C1 (talk) 13:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- more
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/2/hollywood-writers-go-on-strike-here-is-what-to-know
- https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-65447046
- https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/hollywood/hollywood-writers-slamming-gig-economy-to-go-on-strike-8586645/ Kirill C1 (talk) 13:12, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article quality is weak, and impact is limited to mainly talk shows at the moment. If this drags on, it may warrant inclusion. eg. Writers Guild strike enters nth week, causing major delays for scheduled productions. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - Ignoring the article which is practically a stub. I'm not exactly seeing the major impact of this strike yet. Maybe if there's a major impact in american television then I might support. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per both Masem and WaltCip ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 15:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Modest Genius and Masem. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose and speedy close so…? Second nomination about a strike in the USA. It seems that Americans have just discovered strikes, welcome! Read the news from other countries, please. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:44, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- America's no stranger to big strikes. The PATCO August 1981 strike was one of the most famous of its time. So was the 1952 steel strike which effectively saw the federal government use high-octane trust-busting tactics. Of course, this particular strike isn't anywhere close to the notability of those two major events, much less others in other countries. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:50, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- You can you make your point without being needlessly condensending to well-intentioned nominators, you know. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 18:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Alsor, you can express your thoughts, but can you please stop WP:BITING the newcomers? - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 18:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Strong support per @Кирилл С1. I don't think people really understand the gravity of the situation. Remember how intrinsically linked the film/TV industry is with LA. The last time this strike occurred in 2007, it costed the city of LA several billion dollars. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 18:43, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- How many cities are there in the world? _-_Alsor (talk) 19:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- According to the article on cities most integrated with the global economy, nine of higher importance than LA. DecafPotato (talk) 19:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Does that mean a free bar for everything? Not sure this is how Wikipedia works. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- It does not, and I did not claim it did. In fact, I probably oppose this getting posted. But I was pointing out the problems in the rebuttal of "there are a lot of cities", when, in fact, LA is one of the largest. DecafPotato (talk) 00:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- Does that mean a free bar for everything? Not sure this is how Wikipedia works. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- According to the article on cities most integrated with the global economy, nine of higher importance than LA. DecafPotato (talk) 19:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- How many cities are there in the world? _-_Alsor (talk) 19:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose — I would suggest ongoing if this continues and has a real impact. Until then, not suitable for ITN. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose for now This hasn't had a big enough effect on Hollywood yet. If it lasts long enough, it could be posted to ongoing. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:08, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support but the blurb should be more clear. This strike will have a big impact on TV shows and movies. Late-night shows are already canceling new episodes until further notice. Johndavies837 (talk) 20:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Wait I say wait to see if it goes a little longer. I wouldn't mind this going on Ongoing if it gets to that point, but if it's major to the point that several shows are delayed, let's say 2-3 episodes off schedule, then I think we can consider blurbing or slapping it on Ongoing. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 20:31, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - Article quality is low as many have already mentioned. Kaushik C 20:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - For a single union in one country - that's not even essential? Given the number of big strikes that haven't ever been nominated, this is trivial. The article doesn't even indicate how many are on strike - but surely it pales to other North American strikes - such as the over 100,000 that were on strike until April 30th when the entire [civil service went on strike]! And that's a MUCH better article. I'm surprised the topic is even notable enough for it's own Wikedia Page! I'd be tempted to merge it to Writers Guild of America West#2023 Writers Guild of America Strike. Nfitz (talk) 21:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak support I don't know if the 2007 strike was posted, but over a decade later I feel like it should have been. I don't think it's quite comparable yet, but otherwise the same. Kingsif (talk) 21:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom and Kirill C1. The strike is notable and in the news, and doesn't happen real often in the entertainment biz. Jusdafax (talk) 22:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - In terms of size, the Guild will be far from the largest strike even this month (the Canada Revenue Agency is still on strike, and another portion of the Public Service Alliance of Canada representing 120,000 people just ended its strike on Monday). There will likely be delays for films and television series, but delays are common with any labour action. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The impact of this strike is not clear as it has just begun. The prudent thing would be to wait for any sizable/significant event to occur from this than post it now. AFL-CIO has also posted a statement but reading that suggests it also is not strongly worded with the strike's notability being left unclear. Gotitbro (talk) 00:10, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose We rarely do labor actions. But if we are inclined to go down that road there are far more significant one's going on in Europe. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose without prejudice against nominating for ongoing again in the future should something sizable or significant happen. Per WaltCip. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 01:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
RD/Blurb: Khader Adnan
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Palestinian Khader Adnan dies in an Israeli jail after an 87-day hunger strike in protest of his administrative detention. ()
News source(s): AP, Haaretz, The Guardian
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · )
- Updated by Nableezy (talk · ) and Iskandar323 (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Palestinian hunger striker died in prison. While I updated the entry with his death, and it is well-referenced on previous topics, it could really use more information about events between 2014 and his death. ETA: resolved, thanks much. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Looks good to me. Fahads1982Talk 05:48, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. 〜 Festucalex • talk 08:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Blurb - very widely covered (NYTimes, Guardian, BBC, AP and so on, and leading front page news in Israel and the Arab world eg Haaretz, al-Jazeera), something like Palestinian Khader Adnan dies in an Israeli jail after an 86 day hunger strike. nableezy - 09:23, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- This nomination is covered under WP:A/I/PIA and requires extended-confirmed status to comment on. nableezy - 09:27, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Potentially escalate to main news, this is more than just a simple RD. Article looks nice. --Ouro (blah blah) 10:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment This can be considered for a blurb as the death is unusual and one of the main points of discussion surrounding this person. Gotitbro (talk) 11:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support RD, but oppose blurb
per the orange tag in the article.Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)- Fakescientist8000, the tags have been resolved. nableezy - 15:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- So is there a reason to oppose the blurb then? Its already led to wider ramifications, with rockets launched from Gaza and Israeli rocket and tank fire on Gaza, and the countrys prison service put on high alert. nableezy - 17:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I struggle to see how this guy is notable, or how his death is notable enough for a blurb. RD should be fine, although we don't do picture RD's here. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I mean his death led to violent clashes in the West Bank (source), Gaza (sourced above), and has the United Nations calling for an investigation (source). Idk what youre looking for notability, but I could probably write an article on his death right now if he didnt already have a biography. nableezy - 17:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Nableezy: Then do it. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:27, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- No I meant if there wasnt already a biography (establishing the guy as being notable anyway), but as there is Im just editing that biography. nableezy - 17:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well, this guy is only notable for his death, which is iffy because the UN states that 25,000 people die of starvation each day, but if we really want to blurb something, we should blurb the actual actions and not the guy who died. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:36, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- No, he was notable well before his death, and how many of those 25k a day do it voluntarily? Amnesty International has been talking about him for over a decade. That you dont know who he is does not mean the rest of the world does not. nableezy - 17:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- He has been hunger striking for a decade and was notable enough in 2012 for a famous political cartoonist to turn him into a cartoon for hunger striking in defiance of administrative detention. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:38, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Fakescientist8000, did you read the entry? There’s widespread coverage for many years, he’s very obviously notable. I am really confused by your comments. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:08, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well, this guy is only notable for his death, which is iffy because the UN states that 25,000 people die of starvation each day, but if we really want to blurb something, we should blurb the actual actions and not the guy who died. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:36, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- No I meant if there wasnt already a biography (establishing the guy as being notable anyway), but as there is Im just editing that biography. nableezy - 17:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Violent clashes frequently happen in Gaza & the West Bank. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Nableezy: Then do it. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:27, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I mean his death led to violent clashes in the West Bank (source), Gaza (sourced above), and has the United Nations calling for an investigation (source). Idk what youre looking for notability, but I could probably write an article on his death right now if he didnt already have a biography. nableezy - 17:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I struggle to see how this guy is notable, or how his death is notable enough for a blurb. RD should be fine, although we don't do picture RD's here. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Support Major Figure in the Israel-Palestinian Conflict, widely covered. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)non-ec editor comment struck- Support blurb. Given the circumstances of his death, this should be blurbed instead. Nevertheless, whether this would be blurbed or just be included in the RD section, the target article looks good, as the issues have been addressed now. Vida0007 (talk) 16:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb. Appreciate all who have improved the entry. I just tweaked the proposed blurb to reflect sources that count the hunger strike as 87 days. It does seem to be a wider news item, so I support the blurb. Innisfree987 (talk) 17:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Genuine question,but why are you voting on your own nomination? Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I didn’t propose the blurb. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Seems like you did. Just as a general rule though, you are assumed to be a "Support" vote by virtue of being the nominator. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry are you saying I don’t know whether I was the blurb proposer? Innisfree987 (talk) 19:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well, you're listed as having "Updated and nominated" the item. Whether or not you wrote a blurb really isn't relevant. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- This really isnt relevant to the discussion, but they nominated for RD, I nominated for blurb and added one. They are supporting a blurb that they did not nominate. nableezy - 21:49, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well, you're listed as having "Updated and nominated" the item. Whether or not you wrote a blurb really isn't relevant. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry are you saying I don’t know whether I was the blurb proposer? Innisfree987 (talk) 19:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Seems like you did. Just as a general rule though, you are assumed to be a "Support" vote by virtue of being the nominator. DarkSide830 (talk) 19:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I didn’t propose the blurb. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Genuine question,but why are you voting on your own nomination? Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- oppose blurb
- We didn't blurb Angela Lanesbury, Harry Belafonte, Ray Liotta, author of Gaia Theory. Why should we blurb a guy whom no one knew about a year ago? Kirill C1 (talk) 17:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Not to mention, we probably won't be blurbing Jerry Springer. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:31, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think only a very specific age bracket of people know any of those people either, and for most people, there is nothing particularly notable about the nature of their deaths in of themselves. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:36, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- With that logic: I'm not sure any age bracket knows about this man, and there is nothing notable about this man's death either. Pass. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- There is very much something notable about a three-month hunger strike of someone detained without charge, just so long as you are a person with some sort of vested interest in human rights, the rule of law, etc. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Several former MPs were killed.
- Charles Engola,
- Atiq Ahmed. Why they weren't blurbed? Kirill C1 (talk) 17:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- They probably should have been blurbed, but doing something wrong once doesn't mean continue to do it wrong forever and for everything. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Exactly, though I am still undecided on a blurb. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 18:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Quite simply put, because people have much stronger opinions/narratives on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict than they do on Ugandan or Indian poltics. The Kip (talk) 19:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Or because Engola wasnt nominated for a blurb and barely discussed, and neither of the deaths had the UN remarking on them or being covered as widely as this? nableezy - 19:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- The UN argument, sure, but the Ahmed death received pretty decent coverage even outside of India; perhaps we should also consider the fact that the Israel-Palestine conflict is much more politically charged in western media than Indian politics in general, which reflects a degree of bias on our own part. The Kip (talk) 01:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- Or because Engola wasnt nominated for a blurb and barely discussed, and neither of the deaths had the UN remarking on them or being covered as widely as this? nableezy - 19:19, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Engola's death is notable, but I'm not sure if he's notable enough for a blurb. However, I'm also not sure if Adnan's notable enough for a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:51, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Atiq Ahmed was a gangster who was shot. While it received coverage in international press because it was filmed, it was in no way significant outside of a small part of India. Curbon7 (talk) 02:04, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- There is very much something notable about a three-month hunger strike of someone detained without charge, just so long as you are a person with some sort of vested interest in human rights, the rule of law, etc. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Ray Liotta was in Wild Hogs. Give the man due respect. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:50, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- With that logic: I'm not sure any age bracket knows about this man, and there is nothing notable about this man's death either. Pass. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb: Strong international news story, strong human rights story, highly unusual death. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb - A double whammy of an important figure combined with a death that, by virtue of being a hunger strike in a highly charged political conflict, is very much the main story. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
After reading his page, it does not seem that he was an important figure in the political conflict. Kaushik C 21:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaushikchemburkar (talk • contribs)This user is not extended-confirmed, !vote struck.
- Support blurb per above. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 18:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb pretty horribly treated, but one of unfortunately too many victims of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Doesn't meet bar as a result, imo; if you want the "notable way of death" argument, not blurbing Atiq Ahmed doesn't help that case. The Kip (talk) 19:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support RD per The Kip. Part of a bigger conflict and I can’t see that he was one of the most notable Palestinian figures. Article looks great for RD and is ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:37, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I dont get it tbh, somebody starving themselves to death in an act of nonviolent resistance is a notable act. It isnt that some person died that is being nominated here, it is how and why. And that is, from the extremely wide and extremely in-depth coverage across the globe, a highly notable act. You have full length, in depth stories about this, not just basic obituaries, not just reprints of wire services. Yes, this is part of a bigger conflict. Its also something that rarely happens across the world, conflict or no conflict. Would Bobby Sands dying been shot down as being part of a wider conflict? Really? nableezy - 22:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Most major deaths during the Russo-Ukrainian War (such as the bombings in Moscow and St. Petersburg, or the many dead in Dnipro) have been shot down here as being simply part of a wider conflict, even with the former two having weaker claims to such (albeit still justified ones). If those two, which are ambiguously related to the conflict as a whole, are considered too closely covered by ongoing items/wider actions to be included, why should we blurb a political prisoner who was blatantly locked away as the result of, y'know, his relation to an ongoing conflict?
- And yes, I'm not sure Bobby Sands would've been posted for the same reason, albeit he was a decent degree more notable than the subject here considering Sands was technically a sitting MP at the time of his death. The Kip (talk) 01:37, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- I'll also note that the userbox on your user page doesn't exactly make you a neutral observer here, so I stand to question whether you want this posted on actual notability or this is instead a grand WP:SOAP gesture. The Kip (talk) 01:47, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note what you like, but you appear to have as much trouble comprehending the userbox as you do assuming good faith. The blurbing is about somebody dying from a hunger strike, something that news sources across the world are treating as a noteworthy act. The Russo-Ukrainian War events are shot down because, ahem, the Russo-Ukrainian War is listed in ongoing. I dont see a listing for any of the following: Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Palestinian prisoners in Israel, Hunger strikes among Palestinian prisoners in Israel. But I guess my userbox makes me as non-neutral as sources giving this attention like CNN, NYTimes (hey they ran a story about hunger strikes too), Washington Post, the Guardian, and on and on. Guess they all are non-neutral observers too? nableezy - 02:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
- I dont get it tbh, somebody starving themselves to death in an act of nonviolent resistance is a notable act. It isnt that some person died that is being nominated here, it is how and why. And that is, from the extremely wide and extremely in-depth coverage across the globe, a highly notable act. You have full length, in depth stories about this, not just basic obituaries, not just reprints of wire services. Yes, this is part of a bigger conflict. Its also something that rarely happens across the world, conflict or no conflict. Would Bobby Sands dying been shot down as being part of a wider conflict? Really? nableezy - 22:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Oppose blurb the Israel-Palestine issue is always so volatile and extreme historically, we'd really need someone way more important to die (eg. government head etc.) to merit a blurb. Activists in this conflict die often, and protests / unrest on either side happens so often. This does not seem so incredible or unusual to me to deserve a whole blurb. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC)Support RD though - article looks good to me QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 19:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)non-ec editor comment struck
- Support blurb Strong international news story, and, AFAIK, it is more than 30 years since last time a Palestinian died from a hunger-strike in an Israeli prison, Huldra (talk) 21:07, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb - Although he certainly qualifies for RD, the international coverage and response (as well as the implications for the region, as already made manifest through escalated violence) suggest that the manner of his death elevates it to blurb level. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb What sets this apart from, say, Jerry Springer, is the fact that the death is the story and the death is significant, not just in coverage but in what this means for the region. Curbon7 (talk) 02:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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RD: Gordon Lightfoot
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): CBC, Reuters, Rolling Stone
Credits:
- Nominated by Doc Strange (talk · )
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Nominator's comments: Canadian singer-songwriter of "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" et. al. Article needs some work, not just with sourcing but with the general construction of it - Not sure why it's grouped by when he was on a certain record label. Hopefully, work can be done to spruce it up to get him on the main page. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 01:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- The split by label is because that's a natural split of his career - he spent X years at one, then Y years at another. Masem (t) 02:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Understood. Aside from that, the article does still need a lot of work. Doc Strange MailboxLogbook 03:49, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
Support once fixed As long as it fixed, I can't see any reason why Gordon Lightfoot shouldn't be added to RD.TheCorriynial (talk) 11:15, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- So, it doesn't need your support for that reason. Every living thing with a Wikipedia article is eligible for RD (so long as it is in good condition). The analysis we need from you is what in the article needs fixing, or is it good enough already. Please make sure your commentary focuses on actionable quality issues with the article, because your support otherwise is not needed. --Jayron32 12:14, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Many CN tags left, and the United Artists/Warner Bros years sections need dire sourcing. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Does anyone know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours? As former mariner IMO no more haunting line has ever been put to music. Memory eternal. (Not ready but let's get this up.) -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:39, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) 2023 World Snooker Championship
Blurb: Luca Brecel defeats Mark Selby to win the 2023 World Snooker Championship ()
Credits:
- Nominated by Lee Vilenski (talk · )
- Updated by HurricaneHiggins (talk · )
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Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:46, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Will never get how snooker got into ITN, but these article are always quite well written. And boy is it a relief to see an article looking quite ready before even being nominated. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:01, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Big event in the UK (and Belgium), excellent article, wonderful stuff. Effy Midwinter (talk) 23:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Biggest snooker event. Fahads1982Talk 00:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support it is great to see a qualifying article so well written right off the bat. --TheSandDoctor Talk 02:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Can we mention he is Belgian, and the fourth non-British world champion to emphasise the significance of his win?[1] Whizz40 (talk) 07:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Strictly speaking, he's the fifth, but, yes - it's a valid piece. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Can we mention he is Belgian, and the fourth non-British world champion to emphasise the significance of his win?[1] Whizz40 (talk) 07:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:SOAP. Too much intrusive advertising of Cazoo. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- A single image and a mention? Hmm. But I don't see why we can't use File:WSC Chanpionship.jpg either, which is a free image instead of the non-free one there now. Black Kite (talk) 08:02, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I had no particular expectations but the Cazoo logo really dominated my first impression when I browsed the topic in the mobile view. Compare with the World Chess Championship 2023 which has commercial sponsors too but doesn't give the impression that it's advertising them. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- We've been over this before with FIFA players having sponsorships on their jerseys, and the general consensus is that it's nearly completely unavoidable and not something we should bother ourselves with. Even so, I think you really have to crane your neck to notice the logo on a desktop PC. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- I had no particular expectations but the Cazoo logo really dominated my first impression when I browsed the topic in the mobile view. Compare with the World Chess Championship 2023 which has commercial sponsors too but doesn't give the impression that it's advertising them. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: G. R. Perera
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Newswire
Credits:
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Nominator's comments: Sri Lankan actor. Tails Wx 15:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Oppose one CN tag remaining as well as a few unsourced bullet points in the filmography section. I'll fix it, so this oppose !vote shouldn't remain for too long. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 23:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC)Support all sourcing issues have been fixed, article should be good to go. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:05, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Uzbek constitutional referendum
Blurb: Voters in Uzbekistan have approved constitutional changes allowing the president, Shavkat Mirziyoyev, to remain in power until 2040. ()
Alternative blurb: In a constitutional referendum, Uzbekistan approves a package of new amendments.
News source(s): (Guardian)(Reuters)(Al Jazeera)
Credits:
- Nominated by СтасС (talk · )
- Created by Moondragon21 (talk · )
Nominator's comments: Of course, late, but imposible topic/a post and bad this article too. СтасС (talk) 15:10, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Confusion. The nomination title is about a referendum in Uzbekistan, but the sources talk about Paraguay's election. Son Of The Desert (T • C) 15:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)Resolved. Son Of The Desert (T • C) 15:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)- Oppose
No proposed blurb,article is really below standard; orange tagged section, also mixes future and past tenses, not fully updated, etc. Needs a lot of work. --Jayron32 15:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC) - I am proposing the blurb. Feel free to suggest alternatives. I also changed photo for that of Shavkat Mirziyoyev. Kirill C1 (talk) 16:10, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality. Article quality is far from main-page ready. "Suggested Changes" section should probably be changed to simply include what was actually voted on in the end. The article does not make it clear who was voting and does not break down the results in any way, nor does it properly explain what exactly was being asked of voters (i.e. could use a translation in the "Question" section. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:41, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Also added another blurb in the proper tense and in a format mimicking past constitutional referendum blurbs. If anyone wants to take a stab at an expanded version feel free, but I believe it's worth not overemphasizing the powers given to Mirziyoyev, who may benefit the most from these changes. His increased powers are only a part of the changes present in these new amendments. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- It is obviously the reason why this was made, so I think it should be included in altblurb. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well feel free to mention it. But I can't support any blurb that suggests this was the only change made. There were several social changes made as well from what I read. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:51, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- It is obviously the reason why this was made, so I think it should be included in altblurb. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Also added another blurb in the proper tense and in a format mimicking past constitutional referendum blurbs. If anyone wants to take a stab at an expanded version feel free, but I believe it's worth not overemphasizing the powers given to Mirziyoyev, who may benefit the most from these changes. His increased powers are only a part of the changes present in these new amendments. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. According to The Economist (US, Apr 22-28). Mirziyoyev gets to retroactively change his current term from 5 years to 7 years, after which the two-term limit kicks in, so he could be in power until 2042. Any blurb should definitely emphasize Mirziyoyev, because that's what's ITN. 2607:F470:E:22:74DB:2534:8250:1ECB (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, but support on notability once updates are made to the article. Roughly on par with Kazakhstan's referendum that we also posted. The Kip (talk) 01:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Jock Zonfrillo
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [2], [3], [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · )
- Updated by Nxllson (talk · ), Canley (talk · ) and Electricmaster (talk · )
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Nominator's comments: Scottish-Australian chef and television presenter. Known for MasterChef Australia. Happily888 (talk) 05:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Page seems adequate, well referenced. Ollieisanerd (talk) 13:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article quality is good for ITN/RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support looks good enough to post. --TheSandDoctor Talk 05:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support, article is well sourced. Suonii180 (talk) 06:49, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 01:00, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Broderick Smith
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): The Music (AU)
Credits:
- Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · )
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Nominator's comments: English-born Australian multi-intrumentalist, 75. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 03:11, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Ralph Boston
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Tennessean
Credits:
- Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · )
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Nominator's comments: Olympian who set world record for long jump, 83. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 03:01, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Paraguayan general election
Blurb: In the 2023 Paraguayan general election, Santiago Peña (pictured) is elected President of Paraguay ()
News source(s): El País (in Spanish), Ultima Hora (in Spanish), DW
Credits:
- Nominated by Kacamata (talk · )
- Created by BastianMAT (talk · )
- Updated by PLATEL (talk · ) and PizzaKing13 (talk · )
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Nominator's comments: Over 96% of the votes are counted, Pena leads by a 15% lead. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:05, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality. Article is quite thin on content compared to 2018's edition. No information on the Chamber of Deputies elections such as listed in the 2018 article. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:04, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per article's quality and DarkSide. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 02:59, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support once improved it is obviously notable and the quality isn't far off the 2018 article. Flyingfishee (talk) 04:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Conditional support - there needs to be a WP:TABLEWALL link to the MOS:PROSE page. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 12:48, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article has almost no useful prose. I count (on my monitor) six whole lines of text, it's basically a stub with a table farm slapped on the end. No way this is a main-page-ready article. Needs a massive expansion of quality, well-referenced writing. --Jayron32 17:28, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Not ready. The article is all tables, with only 6 sentences of prose. That is far from sufficient and requires major expansion before we could consider posting. Modest Genius talk 14:51, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) Caliph of Islamic State killed
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Blurb: Abu al-Hussein al-Husseini al-Qurashi, Caliph of the Islamic State, is killed ()
Alternative blurb: Abu al-Hussein, Caliph of the Islamic State, is killed
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-65445007
Credits:
- Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · )
:Oppose on quality - article needs serious expansion to be main page ready and the articles barely been updated. Probably Support - this probably will receive substantial coverage in the coming hours and will be symbolic of the collapse of the Islamic State. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 22:31, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Wait @Curbon7. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 00:40, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose — Too many unknowns. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Until there is independent confirmation. The person making the claim is Erdogan. Y'know, the guy who is currently 2nd place in polls for next month's election. Also the guy who just a few months ago probably lied about the perpetrators of a bombing to push his own political interests. Yeah that guy. I also do recall false claims in 2017 that Russia killed Baghdadi. Curbon7 (talk) 00:21, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- This is also the third "caliph" killed in just over a year, only having been leader since late November. At some point, the significance of such a killing decreases. Curbon7 (talk) 00:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- I can't see anything within the article about the Turkish government being the perpetrators of the bombing. But I see your point, and I think it'd be best to wait on this story. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. The BBC isn't reporting that he was killed, they are reporting that Turkey is claiming he was killed. Also, even if he has been killed, that is becoming a very common event and doesn't need a blurb - should be a recent death instead. BilledMammal (talk) 00:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose although this is an important event, given that ISIS changes Caliphs so often, this kinda loses the ITN-notability. such as, if Saif Al-Adel was killed, it would be a big deal, because Al-Qaeda changes leadership once every 10 years. but if a ISIS leader is killed, it would still be some news, but not as important because, Per Curbon7, it is the third one to be killed in the past years. Oh, and just because Turkey claims they killed him, doesn't mean that they did. there have been false confirmations for kills before. Editor 5426387 (talk) 00:42, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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- Oppose. Change in the head of IS rarely results in changes in IS strategy. Article does little establish said individual's particular significance. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Naming I find it difficult to follow the names of these various leaders as they are so similar: Abu al-Hussein al-Husseini al-Qurashi; Abu al-Hasan al-Hashimi al-Qurashi; Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurashi, &c. It seems that these chaps also use noms-de-guerre of a similar sort which must add to the confusion. I'm not sure what we can do about that but the title of caliph should be used with care as this is implicitly a claim to be ruler of the entire Islamic world. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:06, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- While "Caliph" is the official title of the ruler of IS, it doesn't have recognisition. It's a bit similar to if an extremist Christian group claimed the title 'Pope', so I see your point and I think we should use something else if this was to be posted. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Vyacheslav Zaitsev
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): The Moscow Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Russian fashion designer. Article looks good, besides a couple CN tags at the very end. Curbon7 (talk) 19:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Resolved the tags (that section seemed to not be relevant anyway). Article looks good. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and good enough for ITN/RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:39, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
(Posted) World Chess Championship 2023
Blurb: Ding Liren (pictured) defeats Ian Nepomniachtchi to win the World Chess Championship. ()
Alternative blurb: Ding Liren (pictured) defeats Ian Nepomniachtchi on tiebreaks to become the new World Chess Champion, succeeding Magnus Carlsen.
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
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Nominator's comments: What an awesome match it was! Davey2116 (talk) 13:08, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Skyshifter talk 13:18, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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- Support as ITN/R. It is not the fault of the two players that competed for this title that Carlsen vacated the title. Carcharoth (talk) 13:29, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support original blurb The article is in fine shape. As far as blurb choice, much as I love Magnus, this was about the two players who showed up. -- Kicking222 (talk) 13:38, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb 1 Article is ready –lomrjyotalk 13:39, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Bread Enthusiast (talk) 13:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Double sharp (talk) 13:55, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Marking ready, both ITNR and article quality is there. --Masem (t) 14:04, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support. This is a clear WP:ITN/R event, and the article quality is sufficient to post. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:22, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- support - michael jordan hasnt been in the nba finals since 1998 either and we still post that so idk what the difference here is. nableezy - 15:34, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support. Dang it, you beat me to the nomination! But in all seriousness, it's a high notability event that has good sourcing. interstatefive 15:36, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support orig – good article, popular game, blurb 1 more direct and less technical. I've made a (hopefully) uncontroversial change to blurb 1 per MOS:EGG. ~~lol1VNIO (I made a mistake? talk to me) 16:41, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Posting. Nice work, everyone! This is how a sports article should look like :)--Tone 16:50, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Posted - Editor 5426387 (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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RD: Taheri Noor
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): https://www.suarapemredkalbar.com/read/ponticity/28042023/mayjen-tni-purn-taheri-noor-tutup-usia-di-jakarta
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- Updated and nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · )
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Nominator's comments: Former member of the People's Representative Council. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:08, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Larry "Gator" Rivers
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): ABC News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Cielquiparle (talk · )
- Updated by Sunnydoo (talk · )
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Nominator's comments: Recommend linking to his name on main page as Larry "Gator" Rivers. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:50, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited and is long enough for ITN/RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Ronnie Cummins
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Star Tribune
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Nominator's comments: Major figure in the organic movement. Founder of the Organic Consumers Association. Article has just been created. Thriley (talk) 01:34, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Mike Shannon
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [5]
Credits:
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– Muboshgu (talk) 17:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is good enough for ITN/RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Well-cited and very holistic. I'm not a big fan of the one-sentence paragraphs in the "Broadcasting career" section, but it's not that big a deal, considering the rest of the article is fine. Curbon7 (talk) 01:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: István Vágó
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Euronews
Credits:
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Nominator's comments: Host of the Hungarian version of WWTBAM. Only one CN tag, rest of the article looks good. Curbon7 (talk) 22:31, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good, and I addressed the CN tag (hopefully the source is credible enough) - azpineapple | T/C 14:30, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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RD: Tim Bachman
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Toronto Star
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Nominator's comments: Co-founder of the band Bachman-Turner Overdrive. Article needs some polish. Masem (t) 01:51, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article has some sourcing issues, plus it is currently classified as a stub. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:10, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Rosemary Cramp
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Durham University, Newcastle Chronicle
Credits:
- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · )
- Updated by MumphingSquirrel (talk · )
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Nominator's comments: Death reported 28 April. Prominent archaeologist and the first female professor at Durham University. Very well-cited and holistic, article looks good to go. Curbon7 (talk) 20:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is well cited, long enough, and good enough for ITN/RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 00:43, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support I have added an independent source covering her death so I think it meets all requirements now. Good to go IMO. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Ranajit Guha
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): The Indian Express
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · )
- Updated by Youngtorless (talk · ) and Lakshmikanta Manna (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian historian. Article needs some work before it can be ready. Edits done. Article has shaped into a C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Oppose on Quality. Effectively no non-lede prose. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)Support. Issues have been resolved. Looks good to post. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)Oppose Article is a stub. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 02:57, 1 May 2023 (UTC)Support Article is now in good enough shape for ITNRD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 17:13, 2 May 2023 (UTC)- Comment. Edits done. Please have a look. Article has been expanded and meets homepage hygiene expectations. @DarkSide830 and Fakescientist8000: Ktin (talk) 03:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Pardon the second tagging / ping -- in case the earlier one didn't go through because it was an edit comment.
- @Fakescientist8000, and @DarkSide830 -- please can you have a look at your convenience. Ktin (talk) 17:11, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support Looks good now. Ollieisanerd (talk) 09:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Taini Jamison
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [6]
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: NZ netball coach who led the national team to a gold in 1967. Article appears to be good quality. Curbon7 (talk) 22:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
RD: David Jacobs
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · )
- Updated by Asphonixm (talk · ), Crisco 1492 (talk · ) and Fakescientist8000 (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indonesian table tennis player. Article is a 2012 GA; prose is holistic and well-cited, but the "Achievements" section is entirely unsourced. Curbon7 (talk) 22:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is already a GA and looks adequate. Ollieisanerd (talk) 09:01, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Needs work It appears that the subject had a disability which was significant for their sport but the article doesn't explain this clearly – the lead doesn't even mention it. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Andrew Davidson: I have added the disability to the lead, in which case I support this article being on RD. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 11:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Harold Kushner
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · )
- Updated by Mooonswimmer (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American rabbi. Author of the best selling When Bad Things Happen to Good People. Thriley (talk) 01:47, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. The entire "author" section currently lacks any inline references. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:25, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- I've sourced most of the article to the best of my abilities and have also expanded it considerably. Mooonswimmer 18:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Looks good now. Ollieisanerd (talk) 08:58, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Unreferenced bibliography. Stephen 04:27, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Added ISBNs. Mooonswimmer 12:26, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 20:06, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
First Republic Bank
Blurb: In the United States, First Republic Bank is taken into receivership by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, continuing a banking crisis. ()
Alternative blurb: First Republic Bank is taken into receivership by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation in the second-largest bank failure in U.S. history, continuing a banking crisis.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Reuters is reporting that this will happen imminently. As measured by assets, First Republic ($212.6 billion) was slightly larger than Silicon Valley Bank ($209.0 billion) whose collapse we posted last month. Davey2116 (talk) 23:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Wait — Source provided says that the FDIC is preparing to put it under receivership. If it happens, weak oppose. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 00:18, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support if it actually occurs - absolutely huge news and probably a harbinger for an upcoming economic collapse. However, it hasn't officially occurred yet, just merely being discussed by the FDIC. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 01:37, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose even if it happens, we've already covered the start of the crisis (which was only 2 banks large) This would possibly make it ongoing. --Masem (t) 02:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Wait WP:RSBREAKING with no statements on the record. Presumptuous to dismiss this together as "just another bank" without seeing the RSs first.—Bagumba (talk) 03:20, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb per above, and Vehemently Oppose Ongoing per past discussion on many Ongoing items we have considered overtime where the event is nebulous in nature. A "banking crisis" does not have a defined start date or end date, so it would likely sit in Ongoing for an unreasonable period of time or almost instantly be removed after the updates concerning this failure trickle in, only to be nominated again when another bank fails. That would be a mess not worth getting into. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:22, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose The broader story was already posted which would cover this; blurbing the same thing twice serves no purpose and ongoing has its own issues as pointed out by DarkSide. Gotitbro (talk) 08:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
WaitSupport if it actually gets FDIC'd, and if so, wait to see media coverage. Juxlos (talk) 12:52, 29 April 2023 (UTC)- Wait - Difficult to determine the impact, when the impact hasn't happened yet. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Wait to see the impact and closing this seems premature given the potential outcomes. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose We already posted the banking crisis. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:53, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose and suggest closure This is a nomination for an event that has not yet taken place. Therefore at the time of writing, the proposed blurb and altblurb are falsehoods. I suggest that this item is closed. Chrisclear (talk) 06:42, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
Wait to see if this gets FDIC'd. I would support posting in the case that it does, but the article would need to be updated with precise details; it's not yet ready to post due to the event being a bit of WP:CRYSTAL. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:24, 30 April 2023 (UTC)- Support in principle. The hook should mention acquisition by J.P. Morgan. This is the second-biggest failure of a bank in U.S. history, so it's easily notable enough for ITN. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:12, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support, big problems ahead. Count Iblis (talk) 19:11, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Not to be that guy, but WP:POV, WP:ORIGINAL, and WP:CRYSTAL PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Update the bank has been taken over by JPMorgan, in an even larger takeover than SVB. Wall Street Journal characterizes it as a failure, FYI. Juxlos (talk) 08:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Most sources I see call it a delayed reaction to the SVB and other takeover in March, making this not a significantly new event. Masem (t) 12:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Agree - too late to post right now QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 19:42, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Most sources I see call it a delayed reaction to the SVB and other takeover in March, making this not a significantly new event. Masem (t) 12:15, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Kaur Singh
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Zee News
Credits:
- Nominated by Rushtheeditor (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: - Rushtheeditor (talk) 20:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment Article is close, needs some expansion in the "Boxing career" section. Curbon7 (talk) 21:48, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
April 27
Armed conflicts and attacks
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RD: Wee Willie Harris
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Yahoo
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: English rocker. Discography needs sources, but the rest of the article appears to be alright. Curbon7 (talk) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- I've been trying to find a source for the discography, but I've only been able to turn up AllMusic and Discogs. Is the former still considered unreliable insofar as discographies are concerned? Kurtis (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
RD: Francis Macnab
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/macnab-francis/6051355/#:~:text=June%2021%2C%201931%20%E2%80%93%20April%2027,2023%20(aged%2091%20years).
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Boat-rocking Australian Christian minister and psychotherapist. Needs more sourcing, but his life is going to be well documented elsewhere, so that should be quite fixable. HiLo48 (talk) 23:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- I've added a few references and expanded an older one. I also emailed AAP to see if they can offer me a full citation for the "Who's Who" reference that contains a dead link. I'll update the article if they come through. Kurtis (talk) 00:30, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good, well sourced. Ollieisanerd (talk) 09:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
Add Timeline to Ongoing for Russian invasion of Ukraine
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Ongoing item nomination ()
Credits:
- Nominated by Interstellarity (talk · )
Note - what he means is to modify Russian invasion of Ukraine's listing at ongoing to include a link to the timeline article by it. The end result would look like "Russian invasion of Ukraine (timeline)." - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 14:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose We already have a article about the 2022 Russian Invasion in Ongoing, this is just a repost of something we already have. Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:26, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Editor 5426387: The link would something like Russian invasion of Ukraine (timeline). Interstellarity (talk) 00:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- You should probably clarify that in the "nominator's comments" section. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 03:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Editor 5426387: The link would something like Russian invasion of Ukraine (timeline). Interstellarity (talk) 00:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
Would be helpful to add this...per previous discussion
: Which previous discussion? Or specifically, why would it be helpful?—Bagumba (talk) 01:57, 28 April 2023 (UTC)- This discussion. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 03:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support - in the prior discussion, when Russian Invasion of Ukraine was put up for removal from ongoing, a key point made amongst certain editors who opposed was:
How do we determine this? Yea, the article itself might not be getting updates but the timeline is getting both consistent and major updates. So do we base this off of the nominated article or the timeline article?
- @OnegreatjokeObviously the main article isn't for daily play-by-play updates; if it was, it'd be the largest page on the site, full of every minute detail of happenings in Bakhmut. This article is meant to be an overview of the conflict. The day-to-day operations are still routinely and constantly being updated at the innumerable forks.
- @Curbon7Case of smaller, more specific subarticles getting updated while the large main article is not updated as substantially since its an overview.
- @Hurricane NoahThe war is still ongoing, and updates are still being made to articles within the topic area.
- @KurtisGiven Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (12 November 2022–present) is being updated. Perhaps its necessary to add this link hidden under the phrase "(Timeline)" so that editors considering a drawn-out ongoing removal know to check the article likely to be updated.
- @Masem
- This is true. The slowdown in edit activity that @Interstellarity mentioned in his original nomination was largely the fault of the numerous content forks that absorbed up much of the war's coverage, rendering the central article a mere overview. However, a requirement for ongoing items is that they ought to be frequently updated, and said updates ought to be substantial. Although the original Russian invasion of Ukraine article still receives daily updates, the quantity has slowed and has largely been absorbed by the various timeline/fork articles as the users above pointed out. Considering that we're supposed to be focusing on more recent topics anyway, it feels correct to add the timeline article by the central article to highlight a more in-depth analysis of the war in the past few months rather than just merely having a summary of a whole year's worth of fighting. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 03:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- I think it is a failure of the current Ongoing standards that we we don't consider an event's timeline equivalent to be sufficient with it's updates to keep an item in ITN. I get the whole "emphasizing Wikipedia as a dynamic resource" thing, but in reality, who doesn't know that already? The issue with an event like this is the page can only contain so much information before it must be split, and the reality is this phase of the war could continue for several years with heavy conflict, but eventually under current Ongoing standards the updates on the MAIN page with decrease to the point of marginal to where it is no longer Ongoing material. Sadly, prior discussion about considering child articles for Ongoing update standards was closed with consensus against such a change. I personally think such a case as this must be given exemption, but that's just me. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Opoose Don't clutter the main page for readers due to procedural ITN maintenenace issues w.r.t ongoing nominations.—Bagumba (talk) 05:30, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- How exactly would this
clutter
the main page? Ongoing already takes up two lines on {{In the News}} on the main page, thanks to the Sudan conflict. Are readers really gonna be fired up when they glance upon Russian invasion of Ukraine (timeline)? - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 14:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- How exactly would this
- Oppose I looked through the latest timeline. Much of the content seems to be crystal balls as the typical entry is a prediction or promise by a politician or press release that something is going to happen. As the items are written in proseline fashion, there's no clear follow-up to tell us the actual result.
- And there's the outright BS such as "Fu Cong, China's Ambassador to the European Union, explained in interviews that the recently declared "friendship with no limits" between Russia and China is actually "nothing but rhetoric"..." He may well be right but how can we tell? See the liar paradox... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:03, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support including a link to the Timeline page - Per @Knightoftheswords281. Perhaps even a link to a portal page, considering the sheer amount of articles on the topic, akin to how we blurbed the COVID-19 Pandemic? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. While I understand the logic of this proposal (article updates), I don't think the timeline article is particularly useful to readers clicking through from the main page. If a reader is clicking on that link, they probably want to know what the current status in the war is, not a list of events starting last November (an apparently random choice of date). Leave the entry as it is. Modest Genius talk 12:46, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- I periodically do exactly that (click on that link because I want to know what the current status in the war is) and it is absolutely not there. Try it for yourself. Where is significant fighting happening? Are there skirmishes happening all along the front lines, or is it relatively peaceful? I have no idea. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:40, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per rationale mentioned above. It would be nice if there were an article that both summarized the current events and provided historical context in the form of a timeline, however, that doesn't appear to exist . Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:05, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. The main article already links to the timeline article. This information can be found is people want it. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose—Would just add too much unnecessary clutter to the main page when readers could easily click the ongoing article link and navigate to the associated subpages. Contrary to popular opinion, people generally aren't stupid (which is not to suggest that this proposal implies such an assumption on the part of Interstellarity, of course). Kurtis (talk) 16:29, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
RD: Dick Groat
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American professional baseball and basketball player who was an eight-time All-Star shortstop and two-time World Series champion in Major League Baseball. Thriley (talk) 19:36, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article needs more references. Ollieisanerd (talk) 20:32, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I didn't nominate this earlier because it's in such rough shape. If I have the time, I'll try to reference it. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:39, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality. Woefully under-sourced. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:07, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per DarkSide830. I just removed a paragraph under the first subheader that was completely unsourced, and I was unable to find anything to verify the claims made. The rest of the article isn't too much better off. (For anyone who has the time and inclination to add some new citations, I did manage to find this from 1960, which I think could be useful). Kurtis (talk) 18:25, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
(Posted RD) RD/blurb: Jerry Springer
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: American television personality Jerry Springer (pictured) dies at age 79 ()
News source(s): AP, NYT, WaPo, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · )
- Updated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American politician and talk show host, former mayor of Cincinnati, Ohio (1977–1978) and host of Jerry Springer (1991–2018), dies at age 79. Davey2116 (talk) 14:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - Good reliable sources. Looks like the article was tagged as lacking information about his personal life. I don't think that's necessarily something that would hold up posting, but it is an orange tag and so it'd be a good idea to address that before posting. Only a couple sentences about the death currently as well, although I realize this news just now broke. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Actually, I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to create a WP:FILMOGRAPHY to cover Mr. Springer's appearances outside of Judge Jerry or The Jerry Springer Show. Currently, the prose covering his other work is extremely top-heavy, and it might be better to condense it into a table. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- I've just removed the tag. "Personal life" is not a requirement for such an article (especially if the information isn't available in reliable sources), and there was no elaboration on the talk page anyways. --Jayron32 16:07, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sounds good. I'm a bit surprised about the lack of a personal life section nonetheless, compared to other talk show hosts like Johnny Carson, Jay Leno or Geraldo Rivera. Jerry must have been a very private man. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- I mean, maybe the information isn't out there, maybe it is, but the burden for tagging an article with something like that is to explain what the problem is in sufficient detail for someone to be able to fix it, for example, if someone had left a list of sources on the talk page showing that the Wikipedia article was missing key information that was available elsewhere. No one did that. Tags left without explanation can be removed without one as well. --Jayron32 16:18, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Sounds good. I'm a bit surprised about the lack of a personal life section nonetheless, compared to other talk show hosts like Johnny Carson, Jay Leno or Geraldo Rivera. Jerry must have been a very private man. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Good enough for RD. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support - There are usually more (or at least different) issues with RD articles than the few here. Good to see and feel it's sufficient for RD. CoatCheck (talk) 16:31, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Notable enough and a good article! EytanMelech 21:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - There's still some unsourced statements that I'm not comfortable to approve yet. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Conditional support - I'm not sure why people are saying that this is sufficient; while not littered with issues, there are still four CN tags. Considering how high-profile Springer was (I mean, I was like 15% in the process of skipping a heartbeat), I'm guessing that there's been a surge in addition of unsourced statements? - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 17:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Also oppose blurb - his death was not notable in of itself, meaning that under ITN law, he ought to be banished to the RD section. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 03:27, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'd love to see how anyone argues about him being transformative) Kirill C1 (talk) 17:17, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- No one has said any such thing. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Well, shit. I stand corrected now. This is going to be interesting. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- No one has said any such thing. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Blurb? A number of obits refer to the transformative nature of his work. Even The Guardian (UK, not US) article starts with "The talkshow host Jerry Springer, a former mayor of Cincinnati whose work was vastly influential in daytime TV worldwide, has died." Black Kite (talk) 18:09, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- I’ll second this. This was the one show that truly rivaled and even exceeded Oprah (certainly blurb worthy when she passes, knock on wood not anytime soon) in terms of ratings during the 90s. Perhaps it’s appropriate? DrewieStewie (talk) 18:15, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm unsure for the moment on my actual vote on a blurb, but I certainly endorse having the debate; he was quite a lot more high-profile than most other RDs. The Kip (talk) 18:20, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Strong support for RD and blurb - Jerry Springer was an icon in American media. Article is decent and gives enough history and background about Springer to any curious reader. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 18:26, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support RD - but not a blurb. Work on the article fixed nearly all the issues. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose' Still one unresolved cn tag in the "acting" section. Normally one tag wouldn't be a hold up, but the unreferenced paragraph is about 30-40% of that whole section's text. I'm afraid that probably needs to be fixed before this is ready for prime time. --Jayron32 18:46, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support RD and blurb Article looks in better shape. Several obits are noting his impact on television such as being a pioneer to present-day "trash TV", plus we did blurb Betty White (rightfully so). His show had also international spin-offs ranging in languages which shows his international impact. *Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!*. --73.110.175.228 (talk) 19:25, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support RD or blurb. Article is in better shape and he was a definitely notable television personality with his last name being synonymous with 'trash TV'. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Not a significant or transformative figure, nor any sign in the ar/icle discussion his legacy or the like on television. We are being swayed by the "household name" factor here like the situation around Betty White, when we need to look to see if he had a serious impact on the world. --Masem (t) 19:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Masem: Pretty sure your mind is set, but I added a legacy section.
- TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:41, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb, subject pioneered an entire genre of television. That he was competitive with Oprah understates that he was doing something completely different and much more controversial, which has since been widely replicated. BD2412 T 19:50, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- This ^^ without Jerry Springer, there's no reality television as we know it today. Also, as a formality, Support Blurb. DrewieStewie (talk) 19:53, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- I don't feel strongly about Harry Belafonte not having a blurb, but... if Belafonte doesn't get one, and Jerry Springer does, that's prima facie evidence that our blurb criteria are broken. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I 100% concur with Floquenbeam.
Mr. Belafonte had a short legacy section which informed my oppose. Mr. Springer has no legacy section.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)- There's a legacy section on the article now, albeit a short one. You could always feel free to be bold and expand on it, too. 😉 Ah, the beauty of being an editor! — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 20:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- I also don't actually have to do so. Ah, the joys of being a volunteer. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:16, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Currently working on a legacy section. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- How about this as blurb criteria: does the death itself have its own page? Was this person at any point a head of state? If the answer to either question is "no", do not blurb it. Otherwise, we're wasting energy on whether to blurb than on improving the article to get it on the main page to begin with. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 19:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- There's a legacy section on the article now, albeit a short one. You could always feel free to be bold and expand on it, too. 😉 Ah, the beauty of being an editor! — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 20:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I 100% concur with Floquenbeam.
- Oppose blurb - His significance is being vastly overstated here. In the article reality television, Jerry Springer isn't even listed. This was a talk show host who was popular and good at what he did, but that does not equate to being a transformative figure in television. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- A million percent agreed with Floq. But also think it is indeed broken, so color me unsurprised at further evidence. nableezy - 20:12, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb Clearly does not meet the high bar of a death blurb. I don’t think he was ever as notable as Regis Philbin, who I assume did not get a blurb. Thriley (talk) 20:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thriley: Not only did Regis not get a blurb, he didn't even get posted on RD. No one bothered to improve his article in time to meet the minimum quality standard. Go figure. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:17, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Regis didn't even make it to RD as the article was largely filled with unreferenced claims at the time. Surprisingly not many votes on that proposal back then either. I would argue, though, that Springer is just as notable if not more notable than Philbin. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 20:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support RD although culturally signifying for television at a pont in time, there are many important people in the world, and a blurb needs more. Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:19, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support RD definitely good enough for RD, person is high-profile, not sure if it should be a blurb, but definitely is enough for RD. Editor 5426387 (talk) 20:22, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support RD, Oppose Blurb Article seems fine enough for RD, but not notable enough for Blurb. If this was Oprah Winfrey, then yes, she likely would be blurbed. But Springer just comes us way too short. TheCorriynial (talk) 20:27, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Blurb. If we aren't posting Belafonte, no way we should post Springer. DarkSide830 (talk) 21:07, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment This death has front-page coverage, which Belafonte’s death didn’t have. However, the update on the death is still too short to demonstrate significance for a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:39, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Belafonte was on the front page of the New York Times and Wall Street Journal and most certainly many other newspapers. Thriley (talk) 22:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes. NYT: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2023/04/26/nytfrontpage/scan.pdf —Bagumba (talk) 05:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- And this is why we can't make coverage the main criteria for ITN. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)\
- Because somebody said something untrue? nableezy - 02:39, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Belafonte was on the front page of the New York Times and Wall Street Journal and most certainly many other newspapers. Thriley (talk) 22:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support RD at least Very notable television personality. I don't mind the inclusion of a possible blurb. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk)
- Oppose not a worldwide transformative figure. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb This is what RD was made for, popularity=/=blurb significance (there are few talk show hosts who would meet that) and the death itself is not a factor of news. Gotitbro (talk) 07:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb. Not widely known outside his own country, unlike the figures we normally blurb (Thatcher, Mandela, popes...). Sandstein 07:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, support RD - As others have pointed out, blurbing a death isn't meant to be some award for an extra notable person. There's a reason why we have RD. Notable people die all the time, entropy marches on. (though I hope Springer can rest in peace now) PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Only deaths we should blurb should be incredibly notable figures like Elizabeth II, who's death has a profound impact on global or even national affairs. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:14, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- lol profound impact. nableezy - 15:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Only deaths we should blurb should be incredibly notable figures like Elizabeth II, who's death has a profound impact on global or even national affairs. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:14, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Posted RD. I spotted one or two cn tags, but with an article of this length, this is still acceptable. I do not think we will get a consensus for a blurb here. --Tone 09:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks Tone PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:44, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Stats As usual, our readership decides for itself and the number of views was 1,857,733. That seems significantly more than most other recent deaths and so it doesn't appear that readers are having any trouble finding the article. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- We don't care about reader stats at all. Masem (t) 12:47, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Indeed and Andrew did the same thing for Harry Belafonte. Has no relevance to RD at all.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:34, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- And our readers don't much care for RD entries. One can see this by considering a more routine death such as Richard Riordan, former mayor of LA. He died on April 19 and so the immediate peak in views was 11,139. That then subsided to 540 per day until his entry was posted at RD yesterday. The views then increased to 2,442 so we see that RD attracted about an extra 2000 views – about the same as a mediocre DYK. See also Wikipedia is for readers. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:32, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you as always for contributing all of your useful ideas on how to improve this section. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Genuine question @WaltCip, is this you being serious or sarcastic? - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 17:20, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Andrew critiques ITN a lot, mostly to point out how out of touch it is with the rest of the Wikipedia when it comes to readership or timeliness. However, I find that at times the criticism tends not to be coupled with any substantive ideas on how to actually improve ITN. It would be more welcomed if he would suggest an RfC or a proposal of some kind. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:32, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- There are plenty such discussions on the talk page where I have suggested once again that we treat all RDs alike as other languages do. Per the adage that "you can't manage what you can't measure", such discussions are best informed by data and facts such as the extent to which our readership is clicking through on these entries. See Evidence-based practice... Andrew🐉(talk) 11:29, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Andrew critiques ITN a lot, mostly to point out how out of touch it is with the rest of the Wikipedia when it comes to readership or timeliness. However, I find that at times the criticism tends not to be coupled with any substantive ideas on how to actually improve ITN. It would be more welcomed if he would suggest an RfC or a proposal of some kind. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:32, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Genuine question @WaltCip, is this you being serious or sarcastic? - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 17:20, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you as always for contributing all of your useful ideas on how to improve this section. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- We don't care about reader stats at all. Masem (t) 12:47, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb for the record, doesn't meet the very high bar needed.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:34, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support blurb—I've been mulling it over pretty heavily over the past day (yeah, really), and although I'm sympathetic to the points made about not blurbing celebrities unless there is something significant about their death, established convention is that we do blurb celebrities who were particularly iconic and transformative; if we wish to discontinue this practice, we should probably start a discussion about it, assuming one hasn't already happened. As for Jerry Springer, I believe that the cultural impact of his talk show has been profound on a global scale. He opened the flood gates for both "trash TV" (as it's called) and for that brand of off-color entertainment as a whole, which has left an indelible mark on society that goes beyond its original medium. In short, I do consider him a transformative figure, and I think he is significant enough for a blurb based on our long-established standards. Kurtis (talk) 17:21, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Global scale? Sorry, but it's that kind of silly hype that instantly triggers my opposition. Got a source for that claim? HiLo48 (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Well, Springer's initial impact on popular culture is that he popularized trashy, lowbrow entertainment for North Americans. This had a domino effect that impacted other genres of TV, namely the comedy and reality genres—and because America is a cultural superpower, its fads and phenomena tend to spread into other countries around the world. If you want references, this writer certainly agrees with me, and I could link many more.
However, keep in mind that my assessment of his legacy is still just an opinion; many people would disagree with the conclusions I've drawn, and I don't consider them to be "incorrect" for adopting a different view from my own. I'm not trying to sway anyone into my line of thinking—I'm voicing support for giving Springer a blurb and explaining why I feel he merits one. If you're inclined to disagree (as seems to be the case), then I encourage you to voice your opposition. At this point, consensus is unlikely to develop in favor of giving him anything more than an RD listing. Kurtis (talk) 00:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Well, Springer's initial impact on popular culture is that he popularized trashy, lowbrow entertainment for North Americans. This had a domino effect that impacted other genres of TV, namely the comedy and reality genres—and because America is a cultural superpower, its fads and phenomena tend to spread into other countries around the world. If you want references, this writer certainly agrees with me, and I could link many more.
- Global scale? Sorry, but it's that kind of silly hype that instantly triggers my opposition. Got a source for that claim? HiLo48 (talk) 22:49, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb His show was so fake that Wayans Bros. parodied it while being on it. Kirill C1 (talk) 12:52, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support per andrew’s analysis. 107.77.223.214 (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
- Post Posting Oppose RD due to multiple gaps in referencing. Strong Oppose Blurb No where near the level of significance we look for when considering death blurbs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:49, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- Pulled Way too many
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tags. Schwede66 22:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC) - Support I've fixed up most of the CN tags, @Schewde66:. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 12:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
- Reposted When I hid the article from display, it was in second position. When I unhid the article just now, it’s in fourth place. I do not know what ITN-practice is. Should the article go back to second place? Schwede66 17:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) World's Strongest Man
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Blurb: Mitchell Hooper wins the 2023 World's Strongest Man title ()
News source(s): The Scotsman; USA Today;
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · )
- Created by JEN9841 (talk · )
- Updated by Brandon Downes (talk · )
Article updated
- Comment Hooper's article is a stub and the contest's article primarily consists of tables with little prose.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:48, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment - Four sentences PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - currenly a Stub. If/when expanded, please ping me.BabbaQ (talk) 09:58, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Come on, man I actually like WSM, but you know this has a 0% chance of being posted. Unlike boxing- which I would be happy to see on ITN every now and then- WSM doesn't get spectators, doesn't get TV ratings, and doesn't get media coverage except as a curiosity. It's so unimportant that the event actually ended four days ago and it took any news outlets (the few that bothered to write an article, based on my news search) a couple of days to even notice. -- Kicking222 (talk) 11:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Comment - If this can somehow be expanded with secondarily-sourced prose, then I might be tempted to throw my support behind this as it would be an interesting topic that doesn't get much coverage on ITN usually. However, we have pretty regularly shot down beauty pageants on ITN, and so I find myself wondering if this would fall into the same category of novelty.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:53, 27 April 2023 (UTC)- Oppose - On second thought, it's hard to see any sort of encyclopedic significance for this event, especially given the lag of coverage that Kicking222 refers to. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
it's hard to see any sort of encyclopedic significance for this event
- well, if you really believe that, than you know where to go. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 17:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)- Well, if you want to make a less subjective significance standard, I counterpoint you to the new thread I made on WT:ITN today. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:58, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't see why this is even a nomination, just because some guy got a title, doesn't make it important. His article is still a stub, and there is tons of problems to be fixed. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Did Curbon already do the deed? We found another occurrence of 5426387 doing something that isn't "Per above"! TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Well, if you mean pay the $5, than I don't think so. However, he is indeed the reason why Editor isn't replying with
per above
anymore. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 17:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)- Editor not doing "Per above" anymore is great. Curbon refusing to pay his debt is disappointing. I propose from today onward every day he doesn't pay up, he has to pay another 5 dollars. I am joking, of course... unless... TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 19:24, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Well, if you mean pay the $5, than I don't think so. However, he is indeed the reason why Editor isn't replying with
- Did Curbon already do the deed? We found another occurrence of 5426387 doing something that isn't "Per above"! TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose, I'm not sure if this is this is any officially recognized sport event. Alex-h (talk) 14:35, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose This gets very little coverage in the media, so this is not something currently In The News. Often, as said by WaltClip, we shoot down beauty pageants pretty often, and I find these comparable. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 15:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- oppose - trivial. nableezy - 15:22, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per all above. Comparatively trivial with little media coverage. The Kip (talk) 16:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support - all this talk about lacking
any sort of encyclopedic significance for this event
, when we frequently post and the like dart championships that barely receive any major coverage. The whole "but those are WP:ITNR" argument doesn't cut it because you're basically saying that since the nombox is green instead of blue, its somehow more worthy of being posted to ITN. By the way, I'm not opposed to dart championships and the like being posted, but at least have some consistency. - Knightoftheswords281 (Talk · Contribs) 17:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)- This is a pretty funny support, in that you provide zero reasons for supporting besides "we post darts". It obviously doesn't matter, since this will never be posted, but I did get a chuckle out of it. -- Kicking222 (talk) 18:02, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose I am open to posting non-ITNR sport events. However, I agree with the notion by TheBlueSkyClub that this is more akin to a beauty pageant, just with a lot more testosterone. Curbon7 (talk) 18:36, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose article is a disaster. 95% of the article is just tables sourced to a single source, which itself has very little prose. Absolutely none of the actual prose in the body of the article (outside the lede) has any references, and the article as a whole could use with some more prose synopses of the individual events and of the championship as a whole. No way this is main page ready. --Jayron32 18:43, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
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RD: Finbar Cafferkey
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Irish Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · )
- Updated by CeltBrowne (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Irish political activist. Killed while fighting for Ukraine. Thriley (talk) 03:08, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
2023 Dantewada bombing
Blurb: In India, ten security personnel and a civilian are killed in an attack by Maoists. ()
News source(s): Reuters CNN The Hindu
Credits:
- Nominated by Oriental Aristocrat (talk · )
- Created by Ainty Painty (talk · )
Article updated
Nominator's comments: This attack with a double-digit casualty figure marks an escalation in the Insurgency. Oriental Aristocrat (talk) 19:37, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Article is not in-depth enough. Close to a stub. Rushtheeditor (talk) 22:19, 01 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose on significance The Naxalite insurgency has been ongoing for over 50 years; while fighting has been decreasing, it is by no means uncommon, particularly in Chhattisgarh. Curbon7 (talk) 22:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
RD: Billy "The Kid" Emerson
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [11]
Credits:
- Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · )
- Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: R&B and R&R musician and songwriter. Article looks good, though the discography needs sources. Curbon7 (talk) 12:05, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Discography section is entirely unsourced. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 14:54, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
(Closed) Aperiodic set from a single prototile
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Blurb: Mathematicians are able to create "Einstein's Hat" a single prototile that never repeats in a grid. ()
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
Article updated
- Oppose—Does not appear notable enough for 'In the News'. Compusolus (talk) 05:38, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- oppose. this is great, but the result was reported last month, so the news is now stale. the finding was actually nominated last month too, but the nomination was closed without a consensus to post. dying (talk) 05:48, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - Certainly a cool discovery but I'm afraid this was nominated a bit too late. Could be a great DYK factoid though if you expand it enough. The blurb would also need to be rephrased to something like "A new shape, a single prototile that never repeats in a grid known as "Einstein's Hat", has been discovered." — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 06:04, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'll be back The main obstacle when this was first nominated was that the paper was waiting on peer review. This still seems to be the situation and so we're waiting for that ponderous process to conclude. Don't hold your breath... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:24, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - Per @Dying PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:55, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Comment The problem with science blurbs is always the question of when to post, at discovery or at publication; ironically, in this very discussion there is disagreement on that. Problem also comes down to "sexy science" vs. science that is equally cool/important but not as flashy. Curbon7 (talk) 11:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose this was nominated when first reported a month ago. That nomination failed because the paper hadn't been peer-reviewed. Well it still hasn't got through peer review, so whatever we think of the importance it isn't suitable for posting yet. Re-nominate if/when the tiling has been published in a peer-reviewed journal. (Even the Guardian story linked above is from 3 April, so I don't know why you put this nomination in the 26 April section.) Modest Genius talk 12:47, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose even with a peer review article, the WP article is lacking a quality I'd expect for general readership, pointing out how niche this concept is without a clear apication beyond affirming prior theory. --Masem (t) 13:42, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose It's a problem that got solved, big deal, did we post the last time this happened? No, not notable enough for ITN, and wasn't this already nominated before? Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
RD: Tangaraju Suppiah
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): The Guardian CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Rockstone35 (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Singapore killed him today at dawn. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 04:01, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Article looks solid and draws attention to what amounts to cruel and unusual punishment for the crime that was alleged ("proven"?) to have been committed. Did not know this was going on in Singapore and I'm sure readers will be surprised to learn about this case too. — That Coptic Guyping me! (talk) (contribs) 05:55, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support - Article is sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 07:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article looks fine to me. But please don't insert political opinions into the nom itself (killing=/=execution). Gotitbro (talk) 11:15, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Not a political statement to refer to it as a killing. That's what it is. Singapore (more specifically, the executioner) killed someone. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 22:51, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support Article is good enough for RD, in both citation quality and length. Also, +1 to what Gotitbro said. Cheers! Fakescientist8000 22:15, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose This article has huge unsourced sections and large paragraphs that are sourced solely to a substack post and a primary source. Not appropriate for main page in its current state - particularly as this concerns a legal matter pertaining to living people. Vladimir.copic (talk) 04:47, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose WP:ITNRD is for biographies, while this current page, Execution of Tangaraju Suppiah, is focused on the exectution.—Bagumba (talk) 14:12, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
- As you know, we did post the killing of Brianna Ghey to RD; at the same time, I'm sure we've done the contrary, which is not post a "death of..." article to RD for that reason. I'm not sure there is a strong consensus one way or the other. Curbon7 (talk) 20:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
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