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*'''Support''', significant wildfire that continues to be in the news. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:01, 30 July 2018 (UTC) |
*'''Support''', significant wildfire that continues to be in the news. --[[User:Tavix| <span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">'''T'''avix</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Tavix|<span style="color:#000080; font-family:georgia">talk</span>]])</sup> 18:01, 30 July 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' we keep getting told how California is like the 9th biggest economy on the planet, so an evacuation of a handful of residents doesn't seem notable during a season where fires are commonplace. Sure, it's inconvenient, but then so was 64 days without rain for my grass. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' we keep getting told how California is like the 9th biggest economy on the planet, so an evacuation of a handful of residents doesn't seem notable during a season where fires are commonplace. Sure, it's inconvenient, but then so was 64 days without rain for my grass. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC) |
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::::<small>Fifteen thousand is rather more than a handful. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:01, 30 July 2018 (UTC)</small> |
::::<small>Fifteen thousand is rather more than a handful. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 22:01, 30 July 2018 (UTC)</small> |
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:::::Have you ''seen'' my hands? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC) |
:::::Have you ''seen'' my hands? [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 11:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::::<small>No, but I've seen a lot of your handiwork. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:26, 31 July 2018 (UTC)</small> |
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::::::::Oh, the 100+ FLs, the nearly 200 GAs, the couple of dozen FAs, two FTs etc? Why, thank you for noticing! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:13, 31 July 2018 (UTC) |
::::::::Oh, the 100+ FLs, the nearly 200 GAs, the couple of dozen FAs, two FTs etc? Why, thank you for noticing! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:13, 31 July 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Posted)_2018_Attica_wildfires a little context] --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 18:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Posted)_2018_Attica_wildfires a little context] --[[User:LaserLegs|LaserLegs]] ([[User talk:LaserLegs|talk]]) 18:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC) |
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*:Oh, I didn't realise the Greek fires were a seasonal event with a highly limited impact, I thought they killed nearly 100 and were probably a result of multiple arson events combined with unseasonal weather? Tsk, must try harder TRM. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:42, 30 July 2018 (UTC) |
*:Oh, I didn't realise the Greek fires were a seasonal event with a highly limited impact, I thought they killed nearly 100 and were probably a result of multiple arson events combined with unseasonal weather? Tsk, must try harder TRM. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 18:42, 30 July 2018 (UTC) |
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July 31
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RD: Tony Bullimore
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): BBC
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- Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · )
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The Rambling Man (talk) 13:21, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
July 30
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(Posted) RD: Ron Dellums
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): NY Times
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- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · )
- Updated by Black Kite (talk · ) and WilliamsDoritios (talk · )
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Nominator's comments: Political titan. Article needs some more sourcing, which I can work on tonight. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:37, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support when fully sourced; Mobushgu, if you need any help tomorrow (it's midnight here) let me know. Black Kite (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Black Kite: I didn't get to it last night. I'd appreciate any help you can offer, since I don't know that I can get to it today. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:17, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Cited pretty fully now. Black Kite (talk) 15:33, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Well-referenced, covers subject fully. SpencerT•C 16:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:02, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Carr fire
Blurb: A wildfire in the vicinity of Redding, California, has burned over 110,000 acres (445 km2), caused the evacuation of over 38,000 people, and resulted in at least six deaths. ()
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, CNN, NBC news, NPR, AP, Guardian.
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Nominator's comments: Article quality seems sufficient, no obvious referencing errors, and updated within the past 24 hours. Jayron32 12:10, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support in the news all weekend, article is pretty good, especially for a recent disaster. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment. The BBC notes that "Wildfires are a common occurrence in California during the state's long, hot, dry summers." That said, I would submit this may be better suited for Ongoing, as this is not the only active wildfire in California right now. 331dot (talk) 12:31, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment – It's a big, fierce fire that has affected thousands of residents, but – despite the tragic death Sunday of a firefighter – the number of victims isn't large on a global scale. Sca (talk) 14:52, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Because early warning, fire fighting, and infrastructure systems in the United States are more developed? WP:MINIMUMDEATHS is a red link once again. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:15, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's a natural (or semi-natural, depending on cause) disaster for the area affected, but as yet poses no wider significance. (I say this as someone who has a close relative, a USFS employee, currently deployed on a 27 sq. mi. / 71 sq. km. wildfire in Idaho. You won't see any mention of this fire on major news sites, as such fires aren't unusual this time of year – and there have been no casualties.) Sca (talk) 21:53, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Because early warning, fire fighting, and infrastructure systems in the United States are more developed? WP:MINIMUMDEATHS is a red link once again. --LaserLegs (talk) 16:15, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Unless this grows larger, I'm w/ Sca on this - while this wasn't a natural wildfire, (a vehicle started it) its spread has followed the typical wildfire pattern and timing. That said, it is still growing, they are only about 20% contained, I would not rule out any posting if the death toll increases, but as they've been issuing a huge swath of evacuations, I doubt the number will grow much more. --Masem (t) 15:03, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support, significant wildfire that continues to be in the news. -- Tavix (talk) 18:01, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose we keep getting told how California is like the 9th biggest economy on the planet, so an evacuation of a handful of residents doesn't seem notable during a season where fires are commonplace. Sure, it's inconvenient, but then so was 64 days without rain for my grass. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment a little context --LaserLegs (talk) 18:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, I didn't realise the Greek fires were a seasonal event with a highly limited impact, I thought they killed nearly 100 and were probably a result of multiple arson events combined with unseasonal weather? Tsk, must try harder TRM. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:42, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Was it that many, I didn't realize that there was a WP:MINIMUMDEATHS for wildfires caused by human activity. If you could just point me to the relevant policy, we'll be all set. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:03, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- I don't follow you at all. This has nothing to do with something you've made up. This is about impact and notability. Regular wildfires which disrupt a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of a village don't equate to rare arson attacks which leave scores dead. So you actually didn't really provide "context", more you provided a story we did post about a completely different event. And as you know, ITN is not governed by "policy" outside the usual Wikipedia policies, so asking me to point you to a "relevant policy" is actually pointless if you aren't already aware of WP:POLICY. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I shared a link for another wildfire which forced evacuations and fatalities. You're welcome. "I thought they killed nearly 100" so if you could just let me know what the WP:MINIMUMDEATHS for a wildfire to be notable is, we're all set. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- You're missing the point again. It's not just the deaths, it's the irregular nature of it. Of course, California has such inconvenience annually. If you can point me to the last time a mass arson event occurred in Greece, we're all set. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:20, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Ohhhhh, the "irregular nature"? Ok, how about some record heat? Just let me know the WP:MINIMUMTEMPERATURE for heatwave notability and we're all set. Sorry about your lawn, I hope it's not a raging inferno that's destroyed nearly one thousand structures! --LaserLegs (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- MINIMUMHEAT: 85 in Britain, 129 in California. But in all seriousness MINIMUMHEATWAVE and MINIMUMFIRE should be based to some degree on rarity so California wildfires do have a higher bar. 101.424242424242 degrees happens a lot in California but would be a blurb in Britain. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Ohhhhh, the "irregular nature"? Ok, how about some record heat? Just let me know the WP:MINIMUMTEMPERATURE for heatwave notability and we're all set. Sorry about your lawn, I hope it's not a raging inferno that's destroyed nearly one thousand structures! --LaserLegs (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- You're missing the point again. It's not just the deaths, it's the irregular nature of it. Of course, California has such inconvenience annually. If you can point me to the last time a mass arson event occurred in Greece, we're all set. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:20, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I shared a link for another wildfire which forced evacuations and fatalities. You're welcome. "I thought they killed nearly 100" so if you could just let me know what the WP:MINIMUMDEATHS for a wildfire to be notable is, we're all set. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:17, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- I don't follow you at all. This has nothing to do with something you've made up. This is about impact and notability. Regular wildfires which disrupt a tiny, tiny, tiny portion of a village don't equate to rare arson attacks which leave scores dead. So you actually didn't really provide "context", more you provided a story we did post about a completely different event. And as you know, ITN is not governed by "policy" outside the usual Wikipedia policies, so asking me to point you to a "relevant policy" is actually pointless if you aren't already aware of WP:POLICY. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Was it that many, I didn't realize that there was a WP:MINIMUMDEATHS for wildfires caused by human activity. If you could just point me to the relevant policy, we'll be all set. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:03, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, I didn't realise the Greek fires were a seasonal event with a highly limited impact, I thought they killed nearly 100 and were probably a result of multiple arson events combined with unseasonal weather? Tsk, must try harder TRM. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:42, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
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- Comment California has wildfires on a regular basis. They threaten to destroy significant towns once or twice a year, at least recently (the Tubbs Fire last October, the Thomas Fire last December, a smaller one earlier this month). If a significant part of Redding is destroyed, this is notable. As something that has caused evacuations but only minor (500 houses being minor in comparison to 50000) property destruction, I don't think it quite reaches the notability threshold. If it gets worse, it will. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Meh That shit burn all the time. That ain't news.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:23, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose this fire is certainly unfortunate for those affected, but others have noted that wildfires in California are somewhat common. I agree with TRM that this is quite different from the wildfires in Greece that killed at least 91 people. Lepricavark (talk) 22:04, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- It was interesting to me that both the LA Times and the NY Times covered it in depth (major sources from the two largest cities in the US). However, we do have a lot of fires. Killiondude (talk) 22:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Minor fires on a global scale. HiLo48 (talk) 22:31, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Fatalities, made the news. pbp 23:37, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Sca and others – if more people are killed, maybe, but California seems to always be on fire. Nixinova T C 00:50, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- The magnetism this discussion board has for measuring newsworthiness with death count is interesting. Killiondude (talk) 05:16, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's due to our magnetic personalities. Sca (talk) 21:03, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Not at all. It's the magnetism for a few individuals who keep trumpeting the same non-guideline. If you spend any time around here at all, you'd see that. It's not interesting, it's depressing. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:06, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's due to our magnetic personalities. Sca (talk) 21:03, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - Wildfires in California are a fairly regular occurrence.--WaltCip (talk) 11:03, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support I think the WP:MINIMUMDEATHS debate here and elsewhere points to a logical re-calibration on these types of events. ITNC is meant to judge coverage, article quality, and significance. While any disasters (natural or man-made) can draw coverage, those with greater than normal fatalities can draw greater than normal coverage. Body counts can be a useful counter-argument to those who dismiss widespread coverage as sensationalism, but it should not apply to discussion of significance. Further, because significance is so subjective, we should be lenient on significance when quality and coverage are both high. ghost 11:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note Updated values in blurb due to most recent estimates. --Jayron32 13:48, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment-2 – Now, with more than 800 homes torched, thousands more threatened, 3,600 firefighters deployed, and the fire only 27 percent contained, this is beginning to look like ongoing material. Sca (talk) 14:26, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Wildfires in California.--WaltCip (talk) 16:20, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment With over 1200 buildings destroyed, it's already more destructive than last years Thomas fire and is the third largest in CA history. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:00, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- 7th actually. But at this rate it's quickly rising in rank. Global warming, yo. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:34, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb, neutral ongoing - the fire has not yet reached a threshold of significance at which I would consider a fully fledged blurb to be required. Low quantity of deaths, and only the seventh most destructive fire in one state means that the impact is not there yet, especially compared to the Greek fires. I would be more open to an ongoing listing, directed either at Carr fire, or to the broader 2018 California wildfires, with improvements to article quality for the latter, as the Carr fire is just one of many ongoing wildfires at the moment. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:32, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
National Register of Citizens of India
Blurb: India has published a list which effectively strips some four million people in the north-eastern state of Assam of their citizenship. ()
News source(s): BBC
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Big impact. Article has not been updated. Sherenk1 (talk) 09:18, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality: not updated, missing refs everywhere, needs copyedit. As for the "significance", Bangladesh was East Pakistan before independence, not an Indian state, these people were never citizens. The policy is cruel, but "stripped of their citizenship" is a tad alarmist. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:12, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose for all the same reasons as above; lack of quality update, poor quality of article in general, sensationalist tone in blurb. --Jayron32 12:00, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
July 29
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RD: Chrysa Spiliotis
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): https://vaaju.com/greeceeng/fire-in-the-eye-chrysa-spiliotis-is-dead/
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- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · )
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Most sources in Greek and translation tools lack finesse however think it meets quality standard for MP. Have listed this nomination on the date her body was identified. MurielMary (talk) 10:17, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
RD: Oliver Dragojević
Recent deaths nomination ()
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Nominator's comments: A famous singer from Croatia. The article needs some work with the references. Tone 10:04, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
RD: Brian Christopher
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): CNN
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- Nominated by Strikerforce (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable wrestling figure passed away today. StrikerforceMobile (talk) 22:31, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose mainly unreferenced. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:32, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose His career section has the grand total of one reference. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:02, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) 2018 Tour de France
Blurb: In cycling, Geraint Thomas wins the Tour de France. ()
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Yorkshiresky (talk · )
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: May want to mention in blurb that this is a first win by a Welshman. yorkshiresky (talk) 17:40, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support A very notable win. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Article is in good shape so should be posted pronto. There's a ref error that I'll fix. Schwede66 19:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Everything looks in order. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:28, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose vast sections of the race overview without sources. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:05, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Now sourced. Black Kite (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Looks fine now. Black Kite (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Ready to go. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:03, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Had seen article state at posting, but didn't comment then, but definitely improved since. --Masem (t) 23:25, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Question: Why are we providing free advertising for Geraint Thomas to about 12 million people per day? 2600:100F:B11B:F7E4:112F:611C:677A:FD99 (talk) 05:51, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Tomasz Stańko
Recent deaths nomination ()
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- Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · )
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Polish trumpeter, composer and improviser strongly associated with free jazz and the avant-garde. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:53, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Although brief, article adequately covers the subject's life and work. SpencerT•C 20:45, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Weak oppose some of the latter sections are weakly referenced, e.g. "Tomasz Stańko Quintet", "Video albums", "Appearances"... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:35, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Article is satisfactory and notable enough for RD Mkwia (talk) 18:51, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- More sources now added. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Weak opposeper the state of "Appearances" section. That is not a negligible section for a jazz musician. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:12, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- I'm sure you won't mind helping to find refs for a few of those 10 unsourced items. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- As always, it would be a pleasure. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Discogs is not RS. Even I can edit Discogs.com, and I have before.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:19, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
So looks like 8 sources are now still needed. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 30 July 2018 (UTC)- Support Good to go. We can can crowd source formatting the refs per MOS. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:30, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Have now added the remaining three sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:09, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Ad Orientem: Thanks. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 18:36, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Have now added the remaining three sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:09, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Good to go. We can can crowd source formatting the refs per MOS. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:30, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Discogs is not RS. Even I can edit Discogs.com, and I have before.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:19, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- As always, it would be a pleasure. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:43, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
(Temporarily Closed) Malian presidential election, 2018
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Blurb: [insert candidate] is elected as the new president of Mali. ()
Alternative blurb: [insert candidate] wins the Malian presidential election.
News source(s): "Insecurity Shadows Mali's President. It May Also Help Him Get Reelected". The New York Times. July 27, 2018. Retrieved July 27, 2018.; "24 candidates get go ahead in Mali election". News 24. Retrieved July 27, 2018.
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- Comment: The results of general elections in all states on List of sovereign states are WP:ITNR. I changed it. TompaDompa (talk) 23:11, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Premature: the election is not until the 29th, results are unlikely to be available until the 30th, and due to the two-round voting process, may no give a winner yet. --Danski454 (talk) 11:17, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
July 28
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(Posted) 2018 Lombok earthquake
Blurb: A 6.4 magnitude earthquake struck Lombok, Indonesia, killing at least 16 people. ()
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · )
- Updated by PaPa PaPaRoony (talk · )
Article updated
Nominator's comments: 14 dead on tourist island of Lombok. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:19, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support
Breaking News: The number has just risen to 15. I'm from Indonesia BTW, so I saw it on TV but up to this moment I haven't been able to find any international sources stating it.–Angga1061 12:10, 29 July 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angga1061 (talk • contribs)I think this has yet to be verified, but still, it is a pretty high death toll. (P.S. I moved it to July 28, because it happened on that date at UTC although it happened on July 29 at local time.) –Angga1061 16:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- More—updated—international coverage:
- Al Jazeera
- BBC: "More than 200 hikers are trapped" on Mount Rinjani.
- CNN
- Deutsche Welle: "Hikers trapped on Lombok volcano after Indonesia earthquake"
- –Angga1061 06:00, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support BBC has toll up to 16. Article has good coverage, and its got clear international coverage (just slow reaction due to the remote location) --Masem (t) 14:57, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support good article, good to go. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:38, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:01, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) North American Heat Wave
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Ongoing item nomination ()
News source(s): CBC
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Article updated
- Question: Is there a particular recent event within this heat wave that should be covered? The vast majority of content in the article is from June or early July, and recent updates in the article are sparse at best. SpencerT•C 18:37, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose There are much worst diasters/weather events going on to make this a minor inconvenience for those suffering. --Masem (t) 18:41, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose – ITN-worthy events from the ongoing heat wave were in June with the significant fatalities in Canada and northeastern United States. Just atypical heat at the moment. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 18:48, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose it's been a bit hot here too. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Question could someone tell me the difference in significance between a heat wave in Japan and one in North America? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:08, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Or the UK? Hottest/longest heatwave since 1976. Record-breaking. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Working2018 extreme weather events --- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)- Nevermind, way beyond my skills.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:10, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- The Japanese record is 106, the New England and New York City records are 107, the 5 cities of Bowash record is 108, the New York State record is 109, the New Jersey and near New York City record is 110, the Pennsylvanian record is 111, the Bowash and Northeast states record is 112, the Atlantic states record is 113, the US forest biome record is 120, the US city over 3 million record is 122, the Mexican record is 126, the Old World record is 129 and the New World record is 129 maybe 130 at Furnace Creek, Death Valley, USA. The ground at Furnace Creek has also reached 201F which is 31 degrees above steak well done. Of course effects like hotter places having way fewer people without air conditioning evens things out and UK heat waves can still kill people. And being close to the sea in every direction probably makes record UK heatwaves more humid. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:31, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Very little of that still very poor article tells me that folks there are seeing anything more than a few hot days. I would change my view if there were well-sourced comparisons with long term, official records, and if it only included temperatures recorded by proper scientific methods, i.e. not by sitting a thermometer on a road in the sun. HiLo48 (talk) 01:37, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) Archbishop Theodore McCarrick Resigns from the College of Cardinals
Blurb: Following allegations of sexual misconduct American Archbishop Theodore McCarrick becomes the first cleric to resign from the College of Cardinals since 1927. ()
News source(s): NY Times Washington Post The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Ad Orientem (talk · )
- Updated by Neutrality (talk · )
Nominator's comments: Major scandal receiving global news coverage. The section on his early career has some serious gaps in referencing. Otherwise the article is not in bad shape. Ad Orientem (talk) 15:39, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support. I have taken care of some of the referencing gaps. First resignation since 1927 seems highly significant to me. Neutralitytalk 15:47, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Nice job on the article cleanup and referencing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:34, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Notable, and the article is ready. Davey2116 (talk) 17:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment The blurb should specify the country, maybe something like "American Archbishop...". Isa (talk) 19:41, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Good idea and done. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:05, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Article good and ready to go. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:52, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support the house of cards is creaking... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Opposeno refs for the first para of the retirement section. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:05, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Few other missing refs and a dead link - don't have time to read/check the rest now, maybe later. Probably a waste of time anyway... --LaserLegs (talk) 21:14, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, I'm done tagging, not terrible, but needs work. I'm concerned that a lot of his history is from primary sources (web archive copies of his bio from the Archdiocese of Washington and Archdiocese of Newark) - none of the content is alarming, but it'd be nice to not rely on WP:PRIMARY sources for this. Regarding "significance" I'm not sure how this is any different from Harvey Weinstein - McCarrick hasn't been convicted or even charged - which makes this stink of WP:RGW. Story was headline news today, which is all I care about if the refs are fixed. #twocents. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:40, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- These reference issues are all fixed. Neutralitytalk 14:51, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support now GTG nice work.
- Few other missing refs and a dead link - don't have time to read/check the rest now, maybe later. Probably a waste of time anyway... --LaserLegs (talk) 21:14, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment In the blurb, there ought to be a comma after "misconduct". Personally I would rewrite it as Following sexual-misconduct allegations, American Archbishop Theodore McCarrick becomes the first cleric to resign from the College of Cardinals in 91 years. — Hugh (talk) 20:37, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted with comma comment above. --Masem (t) 23:24, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
July 27
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(Posted) Longest lunar eclipse of the 21st century
Blurb: The longest total lunar eclipse in the 21st century occurs. ()
News source(s): The Guardian Business Insider The Telegraph
Credits:
- Nominated by Sagittarian Milky Way (talk · )
Nominator's comments: Also anyone who looks at the eclipse will surely notice the unusually color saturated (see mesopic vision) and bright "star" about 6° away (the brightest Mars between 2003 and 2035). Since the Red Planet is only this bright for like 3 weeks once per 15, 17, 32 or 47 years and there's only c. 0.04 total lunar eclipses per 3 weeks then just having a "blood moon" and "blood planet" this bright at the same time won't happen again till everyone alive now dies of old age. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 09:07, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I added sources and a blurb. TompaDompa (talk) 10:08, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Insufficient citations. I'd only support this if it gets up prior. "There's a lunar eclipse tonight" is not terribly exciting. "There was a lunar eclipse last night" is utterly banal. ghost 12:06, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comments: lunar eclipses are fairly frequent, see List of 21st-century lunar eclipses. According to that article, this one will be 104 minutes, whereas several others this century will be 102 minutes and there was one in 2000 that was 108 minutes. So while the blurb is technically correct, it's a tiny difference and rests on knowing the exact definition of 21st century. Does that really make it more notable than other lunar eclipses or merit being the main focus of the blurb? If this does get posted, I don't think any ITN blurb should ever go up until the event happens, but this one could go up as soon as the eclipse begins (IIRC we've done that before with eclipses). Modest Genius talk 13:04, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- The longest of the 4203 total lunar eclipses from 3000 BC to 3000 AD is 106.6 minutes, 104 is not that far from the maximum possible. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Then it looks like the 108 minute entry on List of 21st-century lunar eclipses is incorrect. Modest Genius talk 16:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Some predictions, especially taken from books before fast computers, might still be using a spherical Earth even though other(s) try to figure out the exact density altitude that on average causes the sharpest dropoff in brightness (somewhere around the troposphere-stratosphere border I think, troposphere has a lot of clouds and can make even the Sun dim enough to look at remember) and account for the equatorial bulge of this altitude (which is more bulged than sea level). The place I got 106.6 minutes says 2000 was 106.4 minutes. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:42, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Then it looks like the 108 minute entry on List of 21st-century lunar eclipses is incorrect. Modest Genius talk 16:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- The longest of the 4203 total lunar eclipses from 3000 BC to 3000 AD is 106.6 minutes, 104 is not that far from the maximum possible. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- To clarify: I'm not opposed to posting this if lunar eclipses are considered to be notable enough every time they occur (though in which case they should be added to ITNR). I've not been through the archives to see how we treated earlier ones. Right now this is all rather moot anyway, because the article is woefully under-developed, under-referenced and mostly just repeats material from lunar eclipse. Modest Genius talk 13:49, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- For the record: We posted the total lunar eclipses of December 2010 (first to coincide with a December solstice since 1638), April 2014 (nothing special to make it more notable than a "regular" total lunar eclipse as far as I can tell), and January 2018 (first "super blue blood moon" in 35 years). The September 2015 and April 2015 ones weren't nominated, whereas the April 2015, December 2011, and June 2011 ones were nominated but not posted. That's a complete rundown of the total lunar eclipses of the past 10 years. TompaDompa (talk) 13:54, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Mostly based on Modest Genius; a 104 min vs a 102 min in an otherwise frequent event is not all that great. Also, while I know the motion of the moon/earth/sun are generally fixed and calculated so that we have reasonably strong assurance that this is the longest one of the next 80 years, I think it is brushing up on CRYSTAL to make this claim. (It's not that this won't be 104 min, but that if some asteroid hits the moon and shifts its orbit a bit, things could change). --Masem (t) 13:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support before the eclipse happens. "You'll be able to witness this cool astronomical event" is a lot more notable than "You missed seeing this cool event. Too bad we didn't tell you about it earlier, lol." Databased (talk) 13:41, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support if it can be reworded per asteroids and aliens, i.e. "likely". Just kidding about the aliens.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:06, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- I don't the the Moon's orbit has ever been affected by an impact event enough for man to notice. If man was around billions of years ago sure but the oldest Moon position records are only a few thousand years old. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- With scientists doing things like this, can we really be sure the moon's orbit will not change for the next 82! years. It likely won't change.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:11, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- I don't think anybody doubts that the moon's orbit will change in the next 4.75 × 10122 years. TompaDompa (talk) 22:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- With scientists doing things like this, can we really be sure the moon's orbit will not change for the next 82! years. It likely won't change.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:11, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- I don't the the Moon's orbit has ever been affected by an impact event enough for man to notice. If man was around billions of years ago sure but the oldest Moon position records are only a few thousand years old. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment we passed on ten new moons for Jupiter, posting this would be obvious earth-bias. This isn't earth-o-pedia, we need to have a galactic view. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Virgo cluster of clusters of groups of galaxies bias! Only 0.0000005% of stories should be from that supercluster of galaxies. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
Weak oppose but only because lunar eclipses are pretty dull. I imagine that's why they're not on ITNR. Banedon (talk) 01:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)Switch to Support since I'm seeing lots of coverage now that the event is taking place. Post ASAP. Banedon (talk) 04:42, 28 July 2018 (UTC)- Support per above. Also, this should be posted before the eclipse occurs. Davey2116 (talk) 02:31, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose per LaserLegs, in the interests of avoiding geocentrism on astronomical topics.--WaltCip (talk) 13:10, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support We've posted notable lunar eclipses before. Article is good enough. Passes WP:MINIMUMLENGTHOFECLIPSE. Black Kite (talk) 13:25, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose — No doubt it'll be a dramatic sight in many places, but practical impact and long-term significance are nil. (This user speaks as a veteran of the 2017 solar eclipse.) – Sca (talk) 14:37, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support per WaltCip; 100% of Wikipedia's customers are Earth-based and we should not be concerned about "geocentrism" for content on the main page. This should be posted in the next hour; there's no point posting it after the eclipse. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:35, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Is there some sarcasm I'm not getting, or are people actually opposing this because it's "Earth-centric"? Everything we post is "Earth-centric"! Davey2116 (talk) 21:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Aside from being the longest in a century, the eclipse also falls on the opposition of Mars which is a rare coincidence. Brandmeistertalk 21:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Once per 1,113 years on average (1.428 years per total lunar eclipse, 1 out of 780 UTC days is an opposition of Mars) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:49, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Here your go.[1].--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:52, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- And you gave me a link to an Earth-based search engine. Such geocentricism! wumbolo ^^^ 23:08, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Non-intersupercluster search engines make Glaaargxkhxtht'x mad. Virgo Supercluster chauvinism. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- I love this thread. We should create WP:GEOCENTRICISM as a redirect to here. Admin watching, it is well past the time you should have posted IM!HO. I think it is not too late.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:23, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Non-intersupercluster search engines make Glaaargxkhxtht'x mad. Virgo Supercluster chauvinism. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- And you gave me a link to an Earth-based search engine. Such geocentricism! wumbolo ^^^ 23:08, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - Interesting, thought-provoking. Agree that this should be posted asap for timeliness. Jusdafax (talk) 23:36, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Marked for admin, indeed it's a time-sensitive item. Brandmeistertalk 19:06, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - God bless Earth! And nowhere else! Spengouli (talk) 04:14, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
CommentClose – The big event is over, continuing coverage is nil, and this item is getting stale fast. Sca (talk) 14:32, 29 July 2018 (UTC)- Close - Event's already happened, no longer in the news. Stale.--WaltCip (talk) 16:30, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Almost every item in the box is for things which have already happened. I'm not sure why this would be different. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:06, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- We've already used up all the longest eclipses of the century (solar, lunar, annular). I'll nominate the 22nd century's longest (2141, 2168, 2186) further in advance. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Do not close I'm not sure why this hasn't been posted. There's a
narrow butdefinitive consensus. Davey2116 (talk) 19:59, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- I miscounted. Going on !votes, there's a 10–4 consensus, and that's counting a nonsensical !oppose based on WP:GEOCENTRISM. It would be an egregious mistake to not post this. Davey2116 (talk) 15:15, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support: I'd re-write this blurb as The longest total lunar eclipse in the 21st century occurred on July 27. — Hugh (talk) 20:39, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) Disney acquires Fox
Blurb: 21st Century Fox shareholders approve the $71.3 billion acquisition by The Walt Disney Company. ()
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This is effectively completing the merger beyond a few smaller details; Comcast's withdrawn their offer, and Disney's already got the DoJ's approval by splitting off some of Fox's networks. As we generally post business details when the ink is dry on the agreement, this seems like the time to post. And the size of this merger is huge. Masem (t) 15:34, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support as the proposer mentioned, this is done and huge. Sir Joseph (talk) 16:28, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose article title says it all. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment: Didn't we already post it when it was first announced? Cambalachero (talk) 18:36, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Obviously notable.
The article should be re-named as above,but otherwise it's good to go. Davey2116 (talk) 21:05, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Users at the talk page seem to disagree about the acquisition being completed. Dat GuyTalkContribs 22:13, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- There are a couple more hurdles in terms of foreign gov'ts but most sources consider this deal to be done and over with, given the Justice Dep'ts earlier signoff. Those gov't could block the deal, but that rarely makes the news as much as events like this here - hence the wording of the blurb (which I did just change to reflect it being an acquisition rather than a merger_) --Masem (t) 00:13, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Really big news. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support this is huge news. Lepricavark (talk) 02:28, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Very notable development. Hrodvarsson (talk) 22:46, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support The largest movie studio acquires #4? Bigger news than anything we have up now. ghost 14:10, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:51, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) RD: Chiyo Miyako
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Recent deaths nomination ()
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
- Oppose It's stub length, so it needs more content. Unfortunately there probably isn't much more to write about, as she is only notable for her longevity.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- And being the last verified 19th century person (in the womb). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:50, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose Randykitty is objecting to my SNOW close of his AfD. That said, this is still better suited for DYK; it's a stub and a newly-created article. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:59, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) Pakistani general election, 2018 / Pakistani general election, 2018 violence
Blurb: Imran Khan's (pictured) Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf wins a plurality in the Pakistani general election. ()
Alternative blurb: Imran Khan's (pictured) Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf wins a plurality in the Pakistani general election that was marred by violence.
News source(s): Al jazeeraEvening Standard, AP. BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · )
- Updated by Störm (talk · ), Jibran1998 (talk · ) and SheriffIsInTown (talk · )
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Opening again. Polls to close in 10 mins. Results in 12 hours. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- So nominate it in >12 hours, after the article has been updated with the results. There's nothing to discuss until then! Modest Genius talk 16:17, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment To repeat a comment from another editor from a ITN discussion about a previous election, "All we are doing is getting a jump on discussing the quality of the article and the eventual wording of the blurb. This is a useful exercise in that it can facilitate getting what is an obvious ITNR item up in a timely manner". Chrisclear (talk) 00:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I have added a second article about all the violence for combined alt. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Quality articles about an ITN/R item. Chrisclear (talk) 04:13, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Once all the results are in, etc. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 12:01, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - Imran Khan (PTI) has claimed victory: BBC
- Strong support Although election results are still coming in, however, clearly Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is the winner. I'm ready to support this once the counting is over and article is updated. A major election in a major country. --Saqib (talk) 15:57, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose "General Elections 2018 was held under new delimitation of constituencies which was result of 2017 Census of Pakistan" article needs a copyedit before it can go to MP. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - Party of Ex-PM Nawaz Sharif concedes to Imran Khan BBC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sherenk1 (talk • contribs) 13:34, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment – Khan wins 43 percent of seats in the National Assembly; must form coalition to govern. Sca (talk) 14:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support. Its ready to get posted. The article has been c/e and looks good to go. 122.8.251.250 (talk) 15:21, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support, preferably alt-blurb. Articles are pretty good. Davey2116 (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Not quite ready yet(Now Ready): [RTE] says, among other things, "European Union observers were critical of the political climate in the run up to the vote, saying there was not a level playing field. The United States voiced similar concerns." The article has quite a bit about the EU position, but seemingly nothing yet about the US position, even tho most of our readers are probably from the US, and the US-Pakistan relationship (quite unlike the EU-Pakistan relationship) has been a rather important issue in geopolitics for decades. The US response is presumably also of far greater interest to our Pakistani readers than is the EU response. But I'm not sure that I'm the best person to try to fix this myself, and I expect there are better (more detailed) sources to quote on this than RTE. Tlhslobus (talk) 17:54, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Some other possibly relevant sources from Google:
- Times of India, 26 July: Doubts raised in US over fairness of Pakistan elections
- Times of islamabad: US state department response over general elections 2018 in Pakistan, 26 Jul, 2018
- Express News, Pakistani version:US Questions Fairness of Pakistan Elections | Headlines 3 PM | 28 July 2018 | Express News
- Time, 1 day ago: Imran Khan Is Pakistan's Donald Trump. Here's What That Means for Relations Between Their Countries
- Washington Post, 23 hours ago: The Latest: US commends ‘courage’ of Pakistanis who voted
- Daily Express, UK, 3 days ago: Pakistan election 2018: Trump administration REFUSES to declare the polls 'FREE AND FAIR'
- Tlhslobus (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I have started Pakistani general election, 2018#International.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:06, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. I think I'll now check the other sources above to see if anything more is needed, and whether or not any of it is important enough to need a mention in the lead. I expect to accept that it's ready to go in between half an hour and two hours from now.Tlhslobus (talk) 19:18, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I've added a bit more from the above sources, and I'm now withdrawing my objection and restoring the Ready tag.Tlhslobus (talk) 19:58, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I have started Pakistani general election, 2018#International.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:06, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Tlhslobus (talk) 18:20, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support alt blurb. Khan should be mentioned. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:27, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment "Fairness of election was also doubted due to non-provision of Form 45" These ESL articles have the worst grammar -- whatever post it then. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:21, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- "Few days after the election, casted ballots belonging to" --LaserLegs (talk) 23:28, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- I've removed Ready (which I had simply restored after temporarily removing it until an objection of mine got fixed), as it's preventing your objections getting fixed - these presumably also explain why it wasn't getting posted.Tlhslobus (talk) 00:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- @LaserLegs: I copyedited the entire paragraph.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:05, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- After reading the above, I then had another look at that paragraph and made another 10 changes or so in 3 edits. About half of these seemed definitely necessary, at least to me, and about half desirable and possibly necessary (except perhaps for an s changed to z which may just be a question of spellchecker settings). I then made one 'correction' and 3 wikilinks in the lead, and I then had a look at Laserlegs' original objection of 19:39, 26 July 2018, and found that it was still 'unfixed'. And I then decided to give up, partly because I wasn't sure how to 'fix' it, and partly because I wasn't sure whether it should be 'fixed' at all, as it might well be wholly or partly 'correct' under 'Pakistani English' and my 'fix' might then just be 'Western cultural imperialism' or whatever. For instance 'General Elections' (which is also the opening expression of the lead) seems wrong to me, but it may well be correct in Pakistan (and it might be wrong of me to replace it with 'A general election and 4 provincial elections'). And the same may apply to 'fixes' to the rest of the article, including some of the 'fixes' that I've already made. I'm also unclear who such 'fixes' are meant to satisfy: maybe it's Laserlegs, or maybe it's admins who haven't posted and haven't said why they haven't posted (quite likely for very sensible reasons in both cases). And any non-western editor likely has an equally difficult set of problems of their own. And I don't pretend to know what should be done about any of this.Tlhslobus (talk) 04:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- @LaserLegs: I copyedited the entire paragraph.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:05, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- I've removed Ready (which I had simply restored after temporarily removing it until an objection of mine got fixed), as it's preventing your objections getting fixed - these presumably also explain why it wasn't getting posted.Tlhslobus (talk) 00:15, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- "Few days after the election, casted ballots belonging to" --LaserLegs (talk) 23:28, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted alt-blurb. I do not know the right steps to protect Khan's image, so left that out, but that's reasonable to add to this. --Masem (t) 23:22, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
RD: Vladimir Voinovich
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Source at RFERL, More exact source at Lenta.ru (in Russian)
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Important literary figure and dissident. Yakikaki (talk) 08:00, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - no sources for the filmography section and some paragraphs not completely referenced e.g. quite a bit of the "early life" paragraph. MurielMary (talk) 10:17, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- I've removed content without sources just now, including the filmography section. Yakikaki (talk) 10:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Why did you edit the article like this? It was perfectly referenced in Voinovich's memoirs published at his personal site. You just removed all the sentences that don't contain reference links. This is not how Wikipedia articles are written, not every single sentense have to contain a reference link at the end. Then you merged other sentences into huge paragraphs for no reason, making them hard to read. And his filmography is perfectly referenced at the IMDb site in /*External links*/AveTory (talk) 11:18, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't take it that way, I made major changes to the article so I can understand the emotional outburst. It happens to all wikipedians every now and then. I do however maintain that the article was improved by my edits, and should now be able to pass front page exposure. Yakikaki (talk) 12:21, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
July 26
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Gravitational redshift
Blurb: Astronomers in Chile observe Albert Einstein's theory of gravitational redshift near the black hole Sagittarius A*. ()
Alternative blurb: Astronomers in Chile observe Albert Einstein's theory of gravitational redshift near the black hole at the center of the galaxy.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by EternalNomad (talk · )
Nominator's comments: Notable observation in the field of astronomy; will help scientists understand black holes better. EternalNomad (talk) 01:36, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I have no doubts about the significance. The article on the otherhand is a dud for ITN. No way we could improve it in time. If anyone is will to give a try with me speak up. But this article would need a major overhawl in referencing before we can add to MP.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:06, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose lacks ITN-level significance. Gravitational redshift has been known and measured for a very long time. There's no reason to suppose that General Relativity will suddenly break down near black holes (heck, black holes are even GR objects) so this isn't surprising at all. It's not a bad piece of work, but it's not that interesting. Banedon (talk) 23:35, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) Facebook largest one-day stock drop in history
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Blurb: In US stock market, Facebook becomes the first company to lose over $100 billion worth of value in one day. ()
News source(s): The Verge CNBC
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- Question I'm not opposed, but what's the measure for "largest one day slide"? Dollar amount? % market cap? --LaserLegs (talk) 23:36, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Weak oppose don't get me wrong, I was just reading about this and I find it very interesting indeed. But after having rejected nominations about the Dow reaching record highs or Google (temporarily) becoming the largest public company by market capitalization, it's hard for me to support this. Banedon (talk) 23:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose this isn't a stock ticker. While it is a record, I'm not sure it's an important record. This isn't the Crash of 1987, just one company with a bad earnings report that's still priced well within its price range for this year even after the drop. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thing is, we routinely post the record sales of fine art. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:03, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- The next time one of those is proposed, I'll oppose it as well. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:11, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thing is, we routinely post the record sales of fine art. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:03, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support I think this is a notable record. The article update should be expanded, however. Davey2116 (talk) 02:30, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Weak Support if updated, oppose otherwise Based on the graph in the CNBC article, this type of record-breaking is rare enough to not be a floodgate for ITN and the story is covered. But at the same time, there are several other stories that I would argue need to be on the blurb list that this might take up space better left to these other stories. That said, a one line update is not sufficient, "weak sales report" isn't sufficient (For example, I believe there is a series of events that can be followed over the last few days, ended with 3 analysts downgrading Facebook's stock this morning that triggered the selloff). --Masem (t) 02:53, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose It's not insignificant, but in the end this is a single stock. Now if the S&P 500 dropped 20%, I'd support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - Don't let one day of panic selling be an indicator of notability. This stock could just as easily rebound within the next week.--WaltCip (talk) 11:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose – Ditto. (It traded virtually flat on 7/27, down less than 1 percent.) Sca (talk) 14:32, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support when sufficiently updated. Per Davey2116, this is a noteworthy record. Lepricavark (talk) 14:42, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose a purely arbitrary record. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:58, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree that it is arbitrary. This is the largest one-day loss of market value of any entity in the history of the world. "Arbitrary" should be reserved for numerical milestones such as "Dow hits 25,000" or similar. Abductive (reasoning) 17:15, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- But does it mean anything apart from numbers flying on a stock ticker? Are there any long-term implications for this? Is this indicative of an overall downturn in the tech sector of the market? Until we answer these questions, there's no newsworthiness to be found here.--WaltCip (talk) 17:49, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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- It's arbitrary. A $100bn is an arbitrary number to select. It could be $105bn, or $99bn. And since the $ fluctuates too, it's even more arbitrary. The Rambling Man (talk) 05:37, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- The number is a number. The amount of market value lost is the greatest in the history of the human race. Would you have been against posting the Tsar Bomba test because the largest nuclear explosion in history reached an "arbitrary" number of 50 Megatons of TNT? Abductive (reasoning) 05:52, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Probably not, but that's apples and pears. Facebook could easily regain $100bn of market value the following day. You couldn't unexplode the Tasr Bomba test now could you? (clue: you're wasting your time here I'm afraid). The Rambling Man (talk) 06:22, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Suppose 24% of all apple trees in the world suddenly died. Would you oppose posting it because "24%" is an "arbitrary" number, and apples are likely to recover at some point in the future, and besides, pears didn't die? Abductive (reasoning) 06:54, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- This is becoming silly (and a little tedious). Those apples won't suddenly come back to life now will they? Nope. Really, if you want to find a suitable analogy and let me know, that'd be fine. Right now we're talking about a blip in a market capitalisation which has simply restored it to values that it sat at around three or four months ago. It lost around 80 billion over a few days in March. This is, I repeat, arbitrary and in today's climate, completely artificial. Now then, back to something useful for me. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:05, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Your definition of "arbitrary" keeps changing. What I am saying is that consensus has been that numerical milestones are not worth posting as they are arbitrary. Your arguments are all over the place, and you invent new definitions of arbitrary, but all of them are most assuredly not the ITN consensus definition of arbitrary. Abductive (reasoning) 05:28, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Now you're wandering into the world of the bizarre where ITN gets to define the meaning of a word in the English language, but thanks for your input. I would think it better to work on your analogies than to claim my arguments are "all over the place". I've been consistent, you've made up a load of interesting counter-examples, none of which are appropriate. So much for wandering around!! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:53, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose The share price has only fallen to what it was a few months ago, and there is no indication this will mark the downfall of FB. The $100 billion figure is good for the headlines but it is not particularly significant other than that it is a large, round number. Hrodvarsson (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose A big fall but not significant in the grand scheme of things. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:18, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Simegnew Bekele
Recent deaths nomination ()
Credits:
- Nominated by Varavour (talk · )
- Updated by Danielaregay (talk · )
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Manager and public face of a national prestige project (Hidase Dam) who was mysteriously found dead in the most public place possible in the country, thus his death has extremely high profile Ethiopia and beyond. It's as if a a top executive was found lying dead off Times Square, by way of comparison. Varavour (talk) 22:58, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. I have doubts that the subject passes WP:ANYBIO. I will have to look more closely at the article and sources. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:22, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Followup I think the article fails WP:VICTIM. Maybe some of this can be merged into another article, but IMO this individual is not independently notable beyond the circumstances of his death. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:31, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ad Orientem.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose while subject to AFD. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:58, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support The AFD was closed as keep.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:51, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
- Note The article has been taken off AFD by Ad Orientem, and there was a wide array of sources covering the story:
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(Posted) RD: Ellie Soutter
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/snowboard-star-ellie-soutter-dies-on-18th-birthday/news-story/4951ca2a12a52e1cf7fad686c5af1818
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Fully referenced MurielMary (talk) 21:32, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Support Notable per Youth Olympics medal. Fully referenced. Mentions death in prose, citing two reliable sources.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:27, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Oppose Does not meet notability per WP:YOUNGATH. WP:NOLY delineates Olympics from Paralympics, where participation in the former is notable but the latter requires a medal. "Youth Olympics" are not included at all. Similar to Tyler Hilinski, coverage outside the death is trivial. Suicide of a young person does not establish notability. ghost 11:55, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- It literally just passed AfD; it seems inappropriate to re-litigate notability concerns here.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:24, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- K, withdraw opposition as I respect process and concede the point on re-litigation. But WOW!!! is that exchange ever an indictment of the AfD process. Not one Keep vote (and votes they are) makes a valid policy citation. ghost 15:39, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Judith Appelbaum
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Publisher's Weekly Book Industry Study Group
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Fully referenced MurielMary (talk) 11:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support It's short but just about adequate length, and referencing looks ok.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose At present, insufficient coverage of the subject. The introduction says she was active in the publishing industry for 50 years, but doesn't have anything specific about her career between the time she was in college and 1998. SpencerT•C 18:20, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- The article says she was an editor at Harpers and Publisher's Weekly during that time. I will try to add some more.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:40, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Her positions in the publishing industry from college to 1998 are stated in the article. MurielMary (talk) 08:45, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Also the third paragraph of the main text describes her life-long achievements which obviously occurred during the period you are querying. MurielMary (talk) 21:35, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support This is now ready. The New York Times article yesterday fixed all the problems. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:49, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 22:42, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) 2018 As-Suwayda attacks
Blurb: At least 302 people are killed in a series of attacks in and around As-Suwayda, Syria. ()
News source(s): Washington Post, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by EternalNomad (talk · )
Nominator's comments: It may be best to merge this with the previous blurb about Syria. Even though it is a war zone this is still an exceptional (and horrifying!) level of casualties, most of them civilian. EternalNomad (talk) 02:23, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - Yes merge it. Sherenk1 (talk) 03:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support – Horrendous. I'm not sure the two topics can be readily merged in a blurb, though. (AP added as source.) Sca (talk) 13:46, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Very weak oppose posting separately and merging. Although they are related, looking at other noms on this page they are not likely to be visible at the same time and the two are both independently news-worthy. The South Syrian offensive is about to roll of the page. This is basically an update and bump. Only problem is the page needs a little more expansion
and it needs at least a mention at 2018 Southern Syria offensive.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC) - Oppose for now, article is barely better than a stub. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support the article seems fine now, considering how much information we have on our hands as of yet. It's a warzone after all. As for notability - I certainly support it, it's the 13th deadliest terrorist act in the history of the world. Openlydialectic (talk) 00:48, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- It's questionable to call this terrorism. Around half of those killed were belligerents. If high civilian casualties were the standard for "terrorism" we'd be posting many attacks by Assad (and drone strikes by the US). One might also consider statehood of the attackers, but I think ISIL operations in Syria meet the standard of state actions. ghost 13:32, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I've updated the nubmer of deaths to 302 (including the 56 terrorists) Openlydialectic (talk) 11:05, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) 2018 Quetta suicide bombing
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Blurb: A suicide attack kills at least 31 people and injures dozens others in Quetta, Pakistan. ()
Alternative blurb: A suicide attack at a polling station, kills at least 31 people and injures dozens others in Quetta, Pakistan.
News source(s): Telegraph The Australian
Credits:
- Nominated by 122.8.100.126 (talk · )
Article updated
- Wait for this to develop, but this is a terrorist attack in an area of frequent terrorist attacks. 331dot (talk) 20:52, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps, a combined blurb with the Pakistani general election, 2018 results maybe considered. Something like, "Pakistani general election results in ____ party winning a majority despite election day violence that killed at least 31 people in a suicide attack." A bit long but still worth a thought. 122.8.100.126 (talk) 21:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Agree. We are most certainly about to post the results of election. This is at least the fourth bombing this election cycle. We also have Pakistani general election, 2018 violence which details several other violent incidents including a section for this one. The best option is to wait for election results and post along the lines of:
- "... wins a majority/plurality in the Pakistani general election that was marred by violence.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Agree. We are most certainly about to post the results of election. This is at least the fourth bombing this election cycle. We also have Pakistani general election, 2018 violence which details several other violent incidents including a section for this one. The best option is to wait for election results and post along the lines of:
- Comment I agree this would be better combined with the election. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:46, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- See Pakistani general election, 2018 / Pakistani general election, 2018 violence --- Coffeeandcrumbs 01:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - The violence article looks good. So yes to above. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Wait – Per Coffee. – Sca (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Corinne Gallant
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): [4] [5]
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Professor emeritus and Acadian feminist who received the Order of Canada. Recently deceased, as announced by the Universite de Moncton, where she was professor emeritus. I will be updating as more information becomes available. Acebulf (talk) 20:23, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Ready to go.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:40, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 06:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: György Szepesi
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): Hungary Today
Credits:
- Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:03, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Can we give him a little more credit in the lead? The man is the longest-serving sportscaster in the world.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 20:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 04:32, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) Japan heat wave
Blurb: An "unprecedented" heat wave in Japan leaves 80 people dead and sends more than 22,000 people to the hospital ()
News source(s): BBC, The Independent, Japan Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Cyclonebiskit (talk · )
- Updated by The Gnome (talk · )
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Continuing the trend of heat-related disasters across the globe...record-breaking heat wave is raging across Japan and causing further misery after deadly flooding and mudslides earlier this month. The nation's weather agency is calling the heat wave unprecedented and Kumagaya saw the highest temperature ever observed in Japan on July 23. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:02, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Also see that the government is calling a state of emergency for this. Article short but sufficient. --Masem (t) 17:24, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support per above.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment a little context --LaserLegs (talk) 17:41, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- In theory, per WMO there could be 2018 extreme weather events, similar to 2013 extreme weather events, with a combined death toll in the blurb. Brandmeistertalk 20:13, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Good idea. There have been a string of such extreme events this summer. Just this month, we have articles for Hurricane Beryl, heat waves in United Kingdom and Ireland, and in North America, as well as Tropical Storm Son-Tinh and 2018 Attica wildfires. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:28, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support, the death toll is significant, article looks okay. Mz7 (talk) 21:02, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Nolo contendere. -The Gnome (talk) 21:10, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support per Masem. Banedon (talk) 01:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Similar death toll to the wildfires in Greece, and the article is okay. Hrodvarsson (talk) 01:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support – Ditto. Ready. Sca (talk) 01:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - per above supports. Article on the short side but presents facts in a straightforward way. Jusdafax (talk) 03:26, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:31, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) Sub-surface lake discovered on Mars
Blurb: The Mars Express Orbiter discovers a 20 kilometres (12 mi) sub-surface lake of water on Mars. ()
Alternative blurb: The Mars Express Orbiter discovers evidence of a 20 kilometres (12 mi) sub-surface lake of water on Mars.
Alternative blurb II: The Mars Express Orbiter discovers a 20 kilometres (12 mi) sub-surface lake of water on Mars.
Alternative blurb III: The Mars Express Orbiter discovers evidence of a 20 kilometres (12 mi) sub-surface lake of water on Mars.
News source(s): BBC Science aricle Wired
Credits:
Article updated
Masem (t) 16:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support This is definitely a major discovery.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:29, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support the type of science articles that get picked up by news outlets aren't usually published in Science. Even if the "liquid water" is just perchlorate brine, it is still just 1.5 km deep. Even Lake Vostok deeper than that. Nergaal (talk) 17:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - The discovery of a lake of Martian water, however you define “lake,” is big news. Jusdafax (talk) 21:19, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Comment first, the update relies almost entirely on a single source. Second, I found a number of statements missing refs and whole paragraphs with a single ref - not usually a good sign. I'm not going to !vote because I don't have time to read this monstrous article, but before rushing to post this "very important news" we should take care to check that the article is coherent and well sourced (quantity of sources != well sourced). --LaserLegs (talk) 21:35, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Any scientific discovery is likely only to going to have one strong source to support the update: the peer-reviewed paper (the Science article, in this case). For ITN, we just want to make sure that more mainstream sources cover it, which they certainly are; it just doesn't require us to use those mainstream sources in the article itself. --Masem (t) 21:40, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - genuinely exciting for astrobiologists, and likely the general population at large. Banedon (talk) 01:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support alt a very informative and well-sourced Wikipedia article, a significant discovery, a peer-reviewed paper published by a reputable scientific journal.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:11, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support per everybody above. But please change the link to the relevant section, Water on Mars#Subglacial liquid water (with an anchor if one is needed), as otherwise it's difficult for readers to find what most of them will presumably be looking for.Tlhslobus (talk) 02:28, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:06, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Sergio Marchionne
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Fully referenced Sherenk1 (talk) 10:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - article looks in good shape, a couple of typos in references need sorting. Mjroots (talk) 10:55, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Comment I have added some CN, about 10, that need to be sorted. I am going back to help now. Do not post yet.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:49, 25 July 2018 (UTC)- Support - The article looks good, moreover Marchionne was a key figure in world automotive industry, an executive who saved historic companies like Fiat and Chrysler from probable bankruptcies. -- Nick.mon (talk) 11:57, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support This should be ready to go.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Support, article seems to be ok, and quite important person in business world -->Typ932 T·C 14:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support Notable person, good article. Hope it goes quickly to the homepage. --Checco (talk) 14:14, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted. Black Kite (talk) 16:43, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Mary Ellis
Recent deaths nomination ()
News source(s): The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/26/mary-ellis-the-last-female-second-world-war-pilot-dies-aged-101
Credits:
- Nominated by MurielMary (talk · )
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Fully referenced MurielMary (talk) 12:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - the last surviving woman to have flown with the Air Transport Auxiliary in World War 2. Rob (talk) 17:24, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:00, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
(Closed) Pakistani general election
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Blurb: Pakistan Muslim League (N)/Pakistan Peoples Party/Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf wins a majority/plurality in the Pakistani general election. ()
News source(s): Al jazeera
Credits:
- Nominated by 45.116.232.30 (talk · )
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
- Comment The results of general elections in all states on List of sovereign states are WP:ITNR. I changed it. TompaDompa (talk) 13:19, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Premature. The elections don't happen until the 25th, and results won't be available until at least the 26th. Events should not be nominated before they have happened, particularly ITNR events where the notability is not in doubt. We need to assess the quality of the update and the suitability of the blurb, neither of which can be done until the results are in. I suggest closing this and starting a new nomination once we have an actual result. Modest Genius talk 13:33, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Polling set to begin in about 12 hours. 45.116.232.30 (talk) 13:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
(Posted) 2018 Attica wildfires
Blurb: At least 76 people are killed and over 100 injured in wildfires in the Greek tourist resort Mati. ()
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Just started the article. Lots of work still needed, but this was a catastrophe. --Tone 07:25, 24 July 2018 (UTC) Tone 07:25, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support and note – support, but a small note: I don't want to make a history merge while the article is probably being edited, but it's generally accepted that when two identical articles are made in short order, the first should get the full edit history, in this case 2018 Greek wildfires. Then it can be force-moved to whatever title we want. If you are editing the article, please make the merge and let me know if you need help with the move. —Ynhockey (Talk) 07:43, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support, but beware These fires are extremely serious, but don't expect precision in casualty numbers for quite some time. Weeks at least. I say this as a mature person from a part of the world which has had a number of such events. No matter the usual quality of sources, they depend on emergency services for such numbers, and they will be busy. So just don't put precise numbers in the article and blurb. HiLo48 (talk) 07:56, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose/Wait. The article quality is very minimal; it's a sub-stub as of now that has almost no more information than would be in the blurb itself. When and if the article is expanded to a reasonable length, I would support posting this. --Jayron32 11:06, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support – ...in principle, pending expansion of article.
- Suggest title of article be changed from "2018 Attica wildfires" to "2018 Greece wildfires" or "2018 Greek wildfires," as the Attica region isn't widely known as a geographic term outside Greece. Second, "Attica" was made (in)famous among U.S.-Eng. speakers by a huge and deadly prison riot in Atticca, N.Y., in 1971. Sca (talk) 14:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed, as the feller says, "They wanted Attica, they wanted Kent State". —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 14:37, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose the title change. Attica is geographically more defining than the whole country. In addition, Attica should be instantly recognizable to anyone who has listened to even the tiniest amount of ancient history in school (as opposed to prison riots in the 1970s) :P In any case, the article is ready now. I will ask another admin to post this since I nominated it. --Tone 20:56, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Tone, it may shock you to learn that a great many Eng.-lang. readers did not study even the tiniest amount of ancient history or the classics in their school days; however, a great many were alive and aware in 1971. Sca (talk) 21:36, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- FWIW, I think you're both wrong. Most readers won't know either of those meanings of the name Attica, so it's good we avoid it in the blurb. However, 70s prison riots do not have any bearing on WP:COMMONNAME, and the Greek region is clearly the dominant usage, so the article title is fine. Modest Genius talk 09:59, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
- Tone, it may shock you to learn that a great many Eng.-lang. readers did not study even the tiniest amount of ancient history or the classics in their school days; however, a great many were alive and aware in 1971. Sca (talk) 21:36, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose the title change. Attica is geographically more defining than the whole country. In addition, Attica should be instantly recognizable to anyone who has listened to even the tiniest amount of ancient history in school (as opposed to prison riots in the 1970s) :P In any case, the article is ready now. I will ask another admin to post this since I nominated it. --Tone 20:56, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Indeed, as the feller says, "They wanted Attica, they wanted Kent State". —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 14:37, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support - 76 deaths from wildfires is definitely newsworthy --Rockstonetalk to me! 21:58, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
- Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:39, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
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