→[Stale] Nigeria attacks: unexplained vandalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates&diff=459862570&oldid=459862476), quite ovbvious when you see the UNEXOLAIEND rvt
*'''Support''' it's ITNR and gets coverage as shown above. But neither article is updated. The article on the event lacks a prose update, and the other is too short. [[User:Hot Stop|Hot Stop]] <small>[[User talk:Hot Stop|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Hot Stop|contribs]]</small> 21:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' it's ITNR and gets coverage as shown above. But neither article is updated. The article on the event lacks a prose update, and the other is too short. [[User:Hot Stop|Hot Stop]] <small>[[User talk:Hot Stop|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Hot Stop|contribs]]</small> 21:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
===[Ready] Nigeria attacks===
===[Stale] Nigeria attacks===
{{hat|The attack happened to far back. It would've been posted had it been nominated on time, but tough luck. [[User:Hot Stop|Hot Stop]] <small>[[User talk:Hot Stop|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Hot Stop|contribs]]</small> 21:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)}}
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*This is stale. This happened on November 4; in fact this was moved on the November 4 section but it was soon archived. Dunno why this is here again. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">H</font>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">T</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">D</font>]]''' 14:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
*This is stale. This happened on November 4; in fact this was moved on the November 4 section but it was soon archived. Dunno why this is here again. –'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">H</font>]][[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">T</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">D</font>]]''' 14:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:Because it had support for the sam eready and yet with a bigger update wasntposted , though Joe demise was with crap all for an uptdate. Timer is up so a few hours could do too.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 20:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
:Because it had support for the sam eready and yet with a bigger update wasntposted , though Joe demise was with crap all for an uptdate. Timer is up so a few hours could do too.[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 20:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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A survey of businesses and consumers in Wales indicates widespread support among both groups for the country to have its own top-level domain name. (BBC)
Floods are predicted to enter the centre of Bangkok early next week, and have already affected nearby roads and sewage systems, according to the Thai Flood Relief Operations Command (FROC). (The National)(Bangkok Post)
The first ever national test of the Emergency Alert System occurred on this date, at 2:00 p.m. EST. This test was transmitted with the Emergency Action Notification code, and was testing the ability to transmit a national-level emergency alert, such as a nuclear attack. This test failed, with 2 other Primary Entry Point (PEP) radio stations relaying the alert over the original alert itself, creating an echo effect. One of the overlaying PEP stations were WCCO (AM), and the other one cannot be determined. However, the issues in this alert have (mostly) been fixed.
Dutch scientists build a nanoscopicelectric car made of a single complex molecule. Currently the world's smallest vehicle, the nanocar is capable of travelling small distances when an electric current is applied to it. (BBC)(AdelaideNow)
Nominator's comments: Obviously becoming one of the biggest scandals in the history of college sports, if not sports in general. Affects one of the most legendary and beloved coaches in the history of the game. Should be mentioned in passing, even if we have to wait until Parteno officially reigns. Secretaccount 19:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is more than just a college football story or even a sports one. This is akin to the Sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic archdiocese of Boston where Cardinal Law was forced to exit after not doing enough (though he was given swank assignment in the Vatican and not jailed as he should've been). The blurb needs to be shortened though. Hot Stoptalk-contribs 21:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Also note there's a small discussion on the WT:ITN about this. Hot Stoptalk-contribs 21:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
weak oppose botable when hes ousted, but iots not global.Lihaas (talk) 21:19, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I've added sources from the UK and Canada. Hot Stoptalk-contribs 21:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I won't go so far as to say the articles aren't updated, but I would say they could use with a bit more substantial updating...perhaps a couple lines in Paterno's article about outside reactions to his announcing of his retirement. Ks0stm(T•C•G•E) 21:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Please avoid the word "winningest" in the blurb if possible. It may be established among US sports writers, but it looks very odd to the rest of us. /Coffeeshivers (talk) 4:24 pm, Today (UTC−5)
Second article updated, first needs updating One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: The WSOP Main Event champion is the most prestigious poker tournament in the world. Almost 7000 people entered this years event from over 70 countries to compete in the event. This years final table had representatives from 7 different countries and the prize is the largest prize in any invidiual competition. Due to the popularity of the WSOP, ESPN has increased coverage of tournament and had near live broadcasts of the hands (15 minute delay) for much of the tournament. -----BalloonmanPoppa Balloon 15:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Think it's mind-boggling that we consider this significant enough to be ITNR. But ITNR it is. The Pius Heinz article is really only a stub, though, and needs significant expansion before we can post. --FormerIP (talk) 15:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This event should be struck from ITNR. A glorified card game is not notable doktorbwordsdeeds 16:09, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Two things: RE Pius, I've asked WP:POKER to expand the article as I can't do it right now.
As for it being significant enough why? We have the US Chicken Wing Eating Competition and every single Rugby title ITN. This is THE tournament in Poker. It is not a "glorified game" any more than soccer/tennis/golf/rugby/etc. Poker is huge (although a little hurt after Black Friday). Over the past few years there have been over 28[1] different TV series in the US alone about poker. Online Poker Revenue was around 7 Billion dollars in 2010 and an estimated 55 million people play poker.
At the 2011 WSOP there were players from over 90 countries (70+ in the ME) and over 68,000 entrants into the various tournaments and a prize pool close to 200 Million dollars.
The competition is so popular that ESPN doubled its coverage this year (after increasing it each of the last 3 or 4 years!) According to espn, the 2011 viewership experienced double digit growth over 2010[2].[3] 80 Million people watch the WSOP on espn annually[4] While official numbers are not in, it was estimated that between 10-30 million people globally would tune into online the Final Table coverage.[5] If this were nothing more than a "glorified game" then ESPN would not have won an Emmy for its 2009 coverage of the WSOP ME Final Table or be nominated again in 2010.---BalloonmanPoppa Balloon 16:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage of this is in: CNN, Sky News, USA Today, MSNBC, CBS, ESPN, Bloomberg, Washington Post, Las Vegas Sun, Tulsa World, All Headline News, Seattle Times, International Business Times, NBC, Marketwatch, Houston Chronicle, Fox Sports, Las Vegas Review Journal, Bleecher Report, Peoria Journal Star, SignOnSandiego, Albany Times Union, TheNewsTribune, Turkish Press, ABC News, Deseret News, Reno Gazette Journal, AP, Greenfield Daily Reporter, Greenwich Time, BBC News, San Fran Chronicle, San Antonio express, The Chronicle, eTaiwan News, Huffington Post, etc. This is just a partial list of reliable sources that cover this "glorified game."---BalloonmanPoppa Balloon 17:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article is somehow confusing, lots of tables and different events, but it does not state clearly what was going on this time. Also, the winner's article is really short. I may support better articles, but not at this point... --Tone 18:08, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What is the guidance on length for an article? I'll work on them this evening when I get home from work. (I suspect more news sources to carry the event tomorrow as well, because the event concluded at 3:30 am today, thus too late for East Coast and European countries.)---BalloonmanPoppa Balloon 18:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, for non-standard ITN nominations, such as in this case, an excellent an informative article can sometimes tip the scale ;-) --Tone 18:18, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Based on the precedence established in prior ITN candicacies regarding sports, this event would no longer be considered suitable for WP:ITNR. Further, there are no prior instances of the WSOP being posted on WP:ITN. The event is also severely lacking in international coverage.--WaltCip (talk) 18:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While this is ITNR, this has never been nominated before either before or after it was added on the list. While it's not on the ITNR "rules," any new addition to the list that has never been nominated before ITN/C should be scrutinized first here before it gets to be permanently listed. Otherwise, it should be struck off the list. Anyhow, it had pretty low view stats: the Gaelic football final, described as "top level of championship in multi-national sport", and even darts had more views. –HTD 18:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The WSOP ME is a little different from Darts. Most of the tournament is done in June-July. Only the final table returns in November. In theory this is supposed to build up suspense and minimize the lag between the game play and the results---it used to be that ESPN's coverage was 4 months behind so by the time ESPN broadcasted the winner everybody knew who it was. By moving the final table to November, they hoped to accomodate ESPN to make it more prestigious. So they delayed the final table so that people wouldn't hear who won the event. This year, for the first time, ESPN had near "live" coverage available online (15 minute delay). Talk before the tourney was that online viewership might exceed 10 million in the US and another 10-20 million globably... but I can't find any numbers right yet. As for some hit numbers, let's make sure we are talking apples to apples: for 2011 WSOP July 36K, June 20K... PLUS 2011 World Series of Poker results 21K July and 20K in June... PLUS WSOP in June 201K and July 201K. If you look at the staying power of the WSOP articles, you will see that they keep their numbers up (the dart articles drop down rapidly showing a lack of sustainability.)
As for international flavor... 90 countries were represented at this tournament---about 1/3 of the Main Event were non-Americans. International coverage is on the rise, with the WSOP issuing more international press credentials than ever before. The final table (9 players) had 7 different countries represented. 4 of the 5 past WSOP champs have been non-Americans.
Coverage exists outside the US, here are just a few of the searches that I did on "2011 WSOP", I could have possibly found more using other terms:
French [9] 7,910,000 <--this number is probably artificially inflated as France hosted the World Series of Poker Europe this year, so a fair number of those hits are probably about the WSOPE.
Support it's ITNR and gets coverage as shown above. But neither article is updated. The article on the event lacks a prose update, and the other is too short. Hot Stoptalk-contribs 21:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
[Stale] Nigeria attacks
The attack happened to far back. It would've been posted had it been nominated on time, but tough luck. Hot Stoptalk-contribs 21:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
culturrally africa is less represented.Lihaas (talk) 10:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
If I was an African I'd be deeply offended if attacks such as this one is "culture". –HTD 10:39, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
WP is not to cater to sensitivities.Lihaas (talk) 11:01, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My point is: how can this be cultural? Senseless killing is culture? –HTD 11:21, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, thats be your western pov, an secondly its the regionLihaas (talk) 11:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So you are actually invoking this article about senseless killing as a cultural minority topic? –HTD 11:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is no more a cultural minority topic than America's use of drones to bomb suspected Islamic militants on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border is a cultural minority topic. DeterenceTalk 12:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
see articleLihaas (talk) 11:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the article is in decent shape. --Tone 12:37, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Rather obvious notability. The nomination could have done with a proper reference to source(s) and without that futile tangent about minority topics. DeterenceTalk 13:17, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: According to the articles the attacks took place on the fourth, not the eighth. Hot Stoptalk-contribs 17:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. The news is from November 4 though, so it should be posted quick before it gets stale. GreyHoodTalk 21:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For the reason above, marking ready. Hope this is OK. GreyHoodTalk 21:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
this is more updated and ready than JF's death! just that hot stop doesnt want to go what he disagrees with!Lihaas (talk) 13:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is stale. This happened on November 4; in fact this was moved on the November 4 section but it was soon archived. Dunno why this is here again. –HTD 14:12, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Because it had support for the sam eready and yet with a bigger update wasntposted , though Joe demise was with crap all for an uptdate. Timer is up so a few hours could do too.Lihaas (talk) 20:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Syrian government continues its crackdown on protesters and army defectors in the city of Homs, killing dozens of civilians in the process. (Al Jazeera)
The United Nations reports that the death toll of the eight-month-old Syrian uprising has reached 3,500. (BBC)
NASA observes the asteroidYU55 as it makes a close Earth flyby, passing within 0.85 lunar distances (about 201,700 miles) of the Earth. YU55 is approximately 400 metres (1,300 ft) across, and is the largest asteroid to make a close pass since 1976. (BBC)(WSJ)(SLOOH)
Conditional Support pending his actual resignation. With a consummate game-player like Berlusconi, actions speak louder than words. DeterenceTalk 02:07, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Notable by itself and even more notable considering the context. This is likely to have a significant effect on whether the euro will survive, evident by the stock market reactions today. JimSukwutput 03:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
and the PIIGS are all done in 12 mths...obvious support but think a new article on the election should be added.Lihaas (talk) 07:18, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He's a Prime Minister, not a President. The resignation of a Prime Minister does not entail that a new election will take place. Under Italy's system of government, the new Prime Minister would usually chosen by the caucus of the former Prime Minister's political party, and even that is subject to the coalition agreement and that party remaining the dominant political party within a coalition government. DeterenceTalk 08:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed that a new govt could be formed, but after his meeting with napolitano yest theres an even chance pf elecions partuicualrly at a time like this when its harder to command a majority govt. lets wit and watch.Lihaas (talk) 08:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support only when he is no longer prime minister anymore. These sorts of situations change very rapidly, and politics is a funny business. If and when he isn't the PM, it should end up on ITN. However, the sort of political negotiations going on which may lead to him resigning if certain conditions are meant is not the sort of thing which normally makes ITN. --Jayron32 07:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
were some weeks away from that..Lihaas (talk) 08:29, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until he actually resigns. The key point is when he goes, and he's ducked out of promises before. I refrained from nominating this myself for that exactly reason. Waiting also gives time for a proper update to be written. Modest Geniustalk 09:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wait per Modest Genius. --bender235 (talk) 12:21, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: First planetary mission from Russia since the 90s.--Hektor (talk) 16:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. Another reason for significance: it's the first ever sample-return mission to a natural satellite of another planet (previous sample return missions were to the earth's moon and an asteroid) and, if successful, it will be the first mission to return a macroscopic (more than a few grams) sample since Luna 24. Perhaps blurb could be modified to reflect this? It's a very significant event. Nanobear (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. So far the launch seems to be successful. Modified the blurb a bit. GreyHoodTalk 21:01, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, especially if the sample-return aspect is emphasised. Modest Geniustalk 21:09, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. Let's wait half a day before changing the picture. --Tone 21:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can the blurb be updated to include the fact that the spacecraft has failed to depart Earth orbit?[19] (for the record this is a spacecraft failure not a launch failure, and whilst it is unclear whether the spacecraft can be recovered it is a significant anomaly) --GW… 02:39, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Roscosmos says they have three days for amending the situation. GreyHoodTalk 08:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh bugger. Hopefully it will get fixed in the next few days, but I'm not optimistic. English-language source for the failure: Washington Post. Not sure how to incorporate this into the blurb without making it very long though. Modest Geniustalk 09:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like it could be just a software problem, so there's a good chance the mission can still be saved. Let's keep the current blurb for 1-2 days, and see if the first attempt to retry firing propulsion unit will be successful. If not, we can then change the blurb to reflect the fact that the probe is still stuck in initial Earth orbit. Let's not be too hasty; the blurb is still correct per se ("the mission was launched"), and WP is not a news service. Nanobear (talk) 20:20, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Nord Stream is the shortest route to deliver the Russian natural gas to Western Europe.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Copied original nomination and alternative from WP:ITN/FE:
ALT1: Russia starts commercial natural gas deliveries to Europe via the Nord Stream, the world's longest submerged pipeline. (changed the blurb) GreyHoodTalk 13:54, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, for GreyHood's blurb. --bender235 (talk) 17:17, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support and support new blurb if it fits. Marking minority topic as tech/infrastructure. --hydrox (talk) 18:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Moderately costly infrastructure project with a lot of political and environmental controversies. JimSukwutput 18:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. --Tone 18:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the present blurb does not describe the event in a proper way. It reads like an opening of some pipe in a German city, while in fact it is the world's longest submerged pipeline spanning most of the Baltic Sea, highly important for Russia and half of Europe. And we usually highlight the world records or at least the main technical parameters such as length when we post infrastructure items. Also, this is not the first or only opening and inauguration of the pipeline (though it is the main one), there was already an official opening/inauguration in September when Russia started piping technical gas into the pipe. That's the reasoning for my blurb:
I should notice that Beagel's blurb is also better than the present one, even though there were also representatives of France and the Netherlands, not only Russia and Germany, and it is better to avoid mentioning controversial controversy. GreyHoodTalk 19:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And yes, post-posting support for the record. I'll copy the comment above to WP:ERRORS. GreyHoodTalk 19:15, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, this event happened after Joe Frazier's death, so they should be re-arranged in the template. And could we post the map after some time? GreyHoodTalk 21:07, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, replacing the text. The map is not very informative on such a small scale (cca 100px), so let's keep the present one. Also moving to the top spot, chronologically. --Tone 21:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. The map indeed is not the best one... GreyHoodTalk 21:37, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support ALT1 - better to tell what that pipeline is and that its the longest undersea. – HonorTheKing (talk) 00:07, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now let's see someone oppose this. –HTD 04:15, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm certainly leaning towards it. Have you read the article's death section? Its straightforwardness is blinding. Nightw 04:40, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That oppose doesn't really count anyway as we can't post anything w/o an update unless it's... –HTD 04:48, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support, once sufficiently updated. One of boxing's all-time greats. Jenks24 (talk) 04:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Joe Frazier meets one of the requisite criteria for ITN/DC: "The deceased was widely regarded as a very important figure in his or her field." I don't give a rat's fart about boxing but even I know he's "one of the greats". DeterenceTalk 06:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support No hesitation at all. One of the leading members of his profession doktorbwordsdeeds 07:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Frasier was a champion when there weren't multiple world champions in each division as there are today due the appalling nature of the sport's administration these days. Truly worthy. (I don't enjoy boxing either.) HiLo48 (talk) 07:37, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support - One of the world's most succesful and famous icons with an article in fine shape, should be on the Main Page asap. Mythic Writerlord (talk) 07:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
support major player in his field, and was gonna nom myself.
Ofcourse thats penidng a sutaibel update of more than 1 line.Lihaas (talk) 08:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Going to post when there is some more update. Of course, the length of the update should be proportional to the length of the article, so that we don't run into WP:UNDUE issue here but still it needs more than one line. --Tone 08:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support the blurb Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!. The article needs some work; I'm working on it.--Johnsemlak (talk) 10:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes --♫GoP♫TCN 13:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support he's obviously notable. I marked ready since we've posted with less of an update. Hot Stoptalk-contribs 17:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. So it shall be written, so it shall be Done. --Jayron32 20:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
PULLL WHAT REASOn is that? because an admin likes it? Articles with bigger updates adre not posted (and under the same guise as hot stop). The update here is TWO LINES.)Lihaas (talk) 08:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Because THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. A death is a death. You can also describe every last seconds, but it is WP:TRIVIA. Regards.--♫GoP♫TCN 11:46, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the GreatOrangePumpkin - sometimes there simply isn't anything else to say about the subject matter. The pointlessness of insisting on substantial updates for ITN candidates was especially evident with the recent announcements of this year's Nobel Prize laureates, where candidates were needlessly delayed for days because of the brevity of their article updates when the hard truth of the matter was that, aside from announcing (and sourcing) the award of the Nobel prizes, there simply wasn't anything else to be said. DeterenceTalk 12:09, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Results should be confirmed in a day or so,Lihaas (talk) 21:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: article currently has a cleanup tag on it. Jenks24 (talk) 21:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Flooding continues in Italy with seven people having died in the past week and thousands of people ordered to evacuate in Turin as the Po River continues to rise. (BBC)
An inquiry is launched following claims identity checks on travellers entering the United Kingdom from outside Europe were scaled back during the summer. Home SecretaryTheresa May tells the House of Commons she does not know how many entered the country without proper checks. (BBC)
Nominator's comments: Article has a "needs more citations tag". If that proves unfixable the Death of Michael Jackson article could be used instead.--FormerIP (talk) 22:09, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - definitly for itn. -- previously unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talk) 21:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please try to provide at least some rational while participating, or your vote may be ignored per WP:!VOTEMamyles (talk) 00:09, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. What significance does this have? People are convicted of manslaughter every day, the only difference here is that the victim was a celebrity. So what? Modest Geniustalk 21:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Groan. I knew someone would make that oppose. --FormerIP (talk) 21:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Groan. That post adds nothing to the discussion. Modest Genius has stated a relevant fact. HiLo48 (talk) 23:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. Everything that happens to people that we post on ITN is stuff that happens to people every day. They get a new job, they win a race, they get shot. It's the context that counts. The difference is that the victim was a celerity, and quite a big celebrity. So what? So it is newsworthy. --FormerIP (talk) 01:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - If Casey Anthony can get on ITN, so can Conrad Murray. - Presidentman [[User
Who? (and yes, I did look that up after being confused, but there's no ITN tag on the talk page either; was that ever on ITN?) Modest Geniustalk 22:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose we're not into celebrity crap. FYI, Casey Anthony wasn't added. Hot Stoptalk-contribs 23:04, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - the world isn't into celebrity tabloids. That's entirely a local issue, even years after a major English-speaking singer's death. Mamyles (talk) 23:46, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is the kind of celebrity driven nonsense which should feature, at most, in the "current affairs" section of Wikipedia. This is not front page news. It is associated with a very famous person, but fame does not always equal notability, as many Wiki arguments down the years have proven. doktorbwordsdeeds 23:53, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Little value, we're not a tabloid. HurricaneFan25 00:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I guess today we'll have the distinction of being the only organisation in the world that provides news but isn't a tabloid, then. Really hard groan. --FormerIP (talk) 01:12, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that we are an organisation which understands that this news story is just the development of a celebrity based story, and as such is not notable in and of itself. I cannot think of any other context in which we'd put the result of a court case like this on the front page. In current affairs, yes, that fits. But the front page? That would provide far more credence to a piece of showbiz doktorbwordsdeeds 06:06, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support One of the most well-known global musicians is found to have been killed by a doctor that committed involuntary manslaughter. I doubt we'd be debating the topic back in the day if it were Elvis's doctor that had just been found guilty, or if it were Mark David Chapman getting banged up. Moronic opposes fuelled by bias. Disregard them. Pyrrhus16 01:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You were doing so well until calling people "moronic". It is not moronic to point out that this conviction is just a minor continuation of a story which petered out years ago, outside the pages of the tabloid press. Wiki gives front page prominence to important developments in current affairs. This is not important, a development, and only just falls into the broad definition of 'current affairs' doktorbwordsdeeds 15:19, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Precedent-setting verdict on the liability of doctors in supporting the habits of drug-addicted superstars, regardless of mean motive or end intention. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲτ¢ 02:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I am pretty surprised that the death itself wasn't posted (according to the archives at least), but the trial and conviction is pretty meaningless to most readers, probably the exception would be ardent fans. YuMaNuMa (talk) 12:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
MJ's death was posted, I am not sure how it is with archives from back then but I know we don't have them for some current months already, if anyone wants some barnstars... ;-) Regarding this nomination, I oppose on the reasons presented above. --Tone 12:35, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose that is not news. This was discussed several times, and it was since his death self-evident that he was at fault for contaminating him, and he was the only person near Jackson.--♫GoP♫TCN 13:21, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Come on guys, this is Michael Jackson's death we're talking about, not some random celebrity. And the fact that someone turns out to be responsible for his death is certainly not "tabloid" material. People in this section know I'm generally against posting interest-based news items like this. But even I can recognize that there's a huge gap in consistency if we continue to post accidental deaths of motorcyclists and not the fact that the biggest pop star on the planet was killed by someone else. JimSukwutput 18:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, we posted his death a few years ago, this is the trial of a doctor. That's all.--♫GoP♫TCN 11:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I must agree that the oppose arguments posted so far are invalid. Michael Jackson's death is the most notable death in the last 10 years at least. His article had the most views in a day in the history of WP I believe. It's ridiculous to simply classify this as 'celebrity news' and oppose. And it's standard in court cases to wait for the conviction to post.--Johnsemlak (talk) 03:48, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but are we posting Jackson's death or trial of a doctor? --♫GoP♫TCN 11:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's a conviction related to the death of Michael Jackson, which in fact reveals (in part) the cause of the death.--Johnsemlak (talk) 13:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Results should be confirmed in a day or so,Lihaas (talk) 21:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I believe this is already official. I'd say, though, that the article on Molina is not great. It doesn't follow WP:LEAD and the biography is very thin. Given that he is a politician, you would expect it to go into detail about what his political positions are, how he has done in previous elections and how he has managed the feat of founding a new political party and gaining enough popularity to be elected president within the space of ten years.--FormerIP (talk) 20:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
True, an di guess you mean like Humala's article...but the bolded link is the election article.Lihaas (talk) 03:31, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Agreement reachesd on formation of new govt, tomorrow the announcement for who will lead it. (probs Venizelos). Thats 4/5 PIIGS that have/having election in 2011=2012...italy should soon make it all 5`Lihaas (talk) 21:37, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Evidently, the political situation in Greece is very fluid these days - there has been all manner of back-tracking (by media and the politicians themselves) and policy changes about everything from referenda to resignations to coalition formations to support/opposition for austerity measures. These days, 24 hours is a very long time in Greek politics. DeterenceTalk 22:25, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Shouldn't it be "Mr Ξ"? --FormerIP (talk) 00:13, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support when official It's still a bit foggy in details – who will be the next PM etc. – but speculation had it new PM could be inaugurated already this week (UTC). Evangelos Venizelos has been fitting the crown, but the situation in Greece is so volatile that it could change any minute. --hydrox (talk) 00:10, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Right now, the nomination is moot. There is no doubt, of course, that it will be posted. However, unless we know the exact details or whether or not it will actually occur, neither a post nor a substantial article update can be made.--WaltCip (talk) 01:23, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
update new pm announced.Lihaas (talk) 19:08, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Said to be Lucas Papademos, currently a visiting professor of public policy at Harvard. But the agreement seems to have met some opposition. source. JimSukwutput 03:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Papademos' name has been thrown around for a few days but nothing has been confirmed. These days, predictions regarding contemporary Greek politics aren't worth the paper the media pretenders write them on. I maintain that we should wait. DeterenceTalk 04:55, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To be announced today, apparently BBC. We still need to wait until something concrete is confirmed. Modest Geniustalk 09:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
--FormerIP (talk) 20:29, 6 November 2011 18:17, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support Important sports news as the New York Marathon is regularly among the strongest in the calendar season. It is also listed as ITNR.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:47, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
support is irrelevant...it just needs a source. (which i now added)Lihaas (talk) 21:57, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ready Article is updated and sourced, per ITN/R. DeterenceTalk 22:26, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Major landslide and the toll is still rising, though potentially insignificant compared to ongoing flooding in the region. ~AH1(discuss!) 21:42, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Update Death toll raised to 18. DeterenceTalk 22:30, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
hmm, split on this. while we generally seem to pick by severity of casualties this would not match, but its also a minority topic with the oft neglected Latam region.Lihaas (talk) 22:34, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support With 93 fatalities (and rising) and 69,000+ people rendered homeless, the 2011 Colombia floods appear to be sufficiently notable for ITN. DeterenceTalk 22:47, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
i would then support, but we need a cite for the fact tagLihaas (talk) 23:26, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The article is a stub, and the update is a couple sentences. The attention given to the article, and that flooding occurred last year as well, suggests that it is not so notable. Mamyles (talk) 23:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You have to wonder just how many people know someone/are someone from Colombia, have a computer, know english, and know how to edit wikipedia. As for everybody else in the weather department, if you may, they've been hard at work with all this crazy weather. When the snow storms stop, the tornadoes start. Then it's the hurricanes. There is no time for wikipedians who care about weather to deal about something like this. (What is rain compared to the Joplin tornado?) However, the weather has seemed to stop (besides a few droughts and some others), and this is the biggest weather event right now. And where are the wikipedians? Taking a breather. My god, we had snow already, and we just started November! Bar Code Symmetry(Talk) 02:40, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Posting. There's enough update. Modifying the blurb slightly. --Tone 08:24, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly. Where is the article? --Tone 17:55, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not a minority topic. Crispmuncher (talk) 19:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The glacier itself could be the article, and this is the first major calving event there since 2001. ~AH1(discuss!) 21:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose According to the video in The telegraph source, "these things happen on a semi-regular basis...". DeterenceTalk 22:36, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
contradictory repsonse from Deterence and AstroHurricane01...not sure which is true. if the latter is right then support otherwise oppose. Lihaas (talk) 23:29, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They are only semi-regular in that calving events occur once every few years. I'm getting somewhat variable reports on the size of this block: New Zealand Herald puts it at 900 sq km, Fox News at 880 sq km and the Christian Science Monitor at 780 sq km. FOX suggests that the last "significant" calving was in 2001, from which the space photos are available here, and the iceberg that calved was about 715 sq km. The exact size of this one is likely to be 800 - 850 sq km when it does calve, though I did forget to mention that the last calving actually took place in 2007, with an area of about 680 sq km. Regular observations show calving events roughly every 5 – 10 years, though this latest one is (or will be) the largest in more than 10 years. However, this particular glacier potentially merits more attention than the recent Mertz Glacier break-off (2,545 sq km), and perhaps even the Larsen B ice shelf collapse (3,250 sq km), simply because Pine Island Bay is one of Antarctica's biggest contributors to land ice loss. In 1995, it released about 2.6 cubic km of meltwater into the ocean per year, a rate with increased to 10.1 cubic km in 2006; the rate was 6 gigatonnes in 2005 (AP via NZ Herald) and increased to 46 gigatonnes sometime between 2007 and 2010 (see the article on glacier). My research indicates that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet loses a total of 132 - 196 billion tonnes of meltwater per year, so the Pine Island Glacier alone contributes a significant sum of that, and this calving is likely to further increase melting. New discoveries continue to be made in the region, including this one of a deep warm-water channel underneath the glacier in 2009. ~AH1(discuss!) 03:05, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose first of all, who won, also not a seriously major award that is almost within the line of the Brit Awards. How does the EMA compared to the Grammys, IMO nowhere in their league. The VMA is much more bigger award in comparison to the European one that is why I never saw the EMA as a serious award. Donnie Park (talk) 19:09, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Dunno about the EMAs, but on the VMAs, it doesn't matter who won. –HTD 19:16, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I remember the days when the winners of music awards were determined by record sales and the quality of their craft... *nostalgic sigh* DeterenceTalk 20:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
MTV awards shows were never about record sales and the quality of their craft. –HTD 04:01, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose MTV is no longer relevant. Lugnuts (talk) 09:31, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
El Hierro eruption
I don't have much more than I put on the talk page for El Hierro here Talk:El_Hierro#Eruption_Underway - but it looks interesting at the moment, and quite likely to have a new island/chunk of island breach the sea's surface today. I know the article's not well fleshed out, and that there is no update at the moment on the actual eruption etc, but I thought I'd flag it up now as it's likely to hit the English speaking news shortly. It's only made AFP due to people being evacuated so far. EdwardLane (talk) 08:18, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing much seems to have happened so far, and given that the eruption has been going on for some days without major impact I doubt it will. Modest Geniustalk 13:25, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's just taking its time - here's some news footage -spanish language of the underwater eruption that's very close to the nearby port.EdwardLane (talk) 12:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's a tiny village, and whilst the eruption certainly seems interesting it has had relatively little impact, at least thus far. Modest Geniustalk 12:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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