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*'''Keep''' - the article was approved for 'A'-class status. I can't really understand why some users do and act just because of they didn't want it to become an FA. What do you mean by POV? Who said that she is the biggest star? And please stop attacking its lead editors. I see no problems with reviews, and if you see [[Jolie]], you'll see much more quotes. [[User:Shshshsh|<span style="color:blue">'''''Shahid'''''</span>]] • <sup>''[[User talk:Shshshsh|<span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black">'''2'''</span><span style="color:teal">me</span>]]''</sup> 09:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' - the article was approved for 'A'-class status. I can't really understand why some users do and act just because of they didn't want it to become an FA. What do you mean by POV? Who said that she is the biggest star? And please stop attacking its lead editors. I see no problems with reviews, and if you see [[Jolie]], you'll see much more quotes. [[User:Shshshsh|<span style="color:blue">'''''Shahid'''''</span>]] • <sup>''[[User talk:Shshshsh|<span style="color:teal">Talk</span><span style="color:black">'''2'''</span><span style="color:teal">me</span>]]''</sup> 09:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC) |
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'''No comment''' - This whole process has just confirmed what I already believed. That I am mostly surrounded by a complete bunch of arse jockeys on this site who think it is a school playground and at times really makes me question how this site manages to stay sane. Things have been made ten times worse now. Why don't you all find something better to do rather than intentionally trying to ruin somebody's hard work and success?. Why not actually give it a quick copy edit yourselves if you think it is too POV and quickly find some "reliable" sources" and try to actually help it stay as a good article? If you think it is too praising to Zinta then for crying out loud why not contribute so it isn't quickly to save everybody a lot of time and effort in it going not only through GA and then A again. It took weeks to do. I am disgusted with you all particularly from the Indians here who rather than try to help an article from their own country are just finding fault. . [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:navy;">'''''♦ Sir Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Navy">'''"Talk"?'''</font></font color> ]]</sup> 10:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC) |
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Bills
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Lacks inline references; also too short to provide an adequate view of the subject. Biruitorul 07:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Preity Zinta
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Concerns on 1a, 3b, 4 and most importantly 2b and 2c. Article uses lot of non-RS. Needs copyediting for 1a and 1b. Has got lot of unnecessary details (3b). Article doesnt appear to be neutral, and reads like a fan site, with lot of praises and quotes from the actress herself, or by selected critics. KNM Talk 03:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delist - the article is bad and the assumption of bad faith by its lead editors is worse. Sarvagnya 04:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delist - article is very POV, it gives the impresion that PZ is the biggest actress in Bollywood and so forth, (even though she only does all these "pretty stupid girl" roles) and in some cases misrepresents sources by taking an opoinion piece as concrete proof. Also the article gives massive talk space to PZ's own talk and that allows it to descened into a soapbox for Miss Zinta herself so she can promote and glorify herself. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 04:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delist - Article reads like a Preity-Zinta fan blog site. Quotes from non-notable critics (which are quoted verbatim) in the article can be definitely a POV of that non-notable critic and not a fact required by the encyclopedia. Personal interviews of the actress have been used in which opinions can definitely be biased. -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits 04:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delist - Currently this article depends too much on fan sites and other non notable Bollywood sites by stooping this article into their level too. --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ walkie-talkie | tool box 05:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delist - concerns on critics' reviews, sources, and too much zinta quoting. xC | ☎ 06:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - the article was approved for 'A'-class status. I can't really understand why some users do and act just because of they didn't want it to become an FA. What do you mean by POV? Who said that she is the biggest star? And please stop attacking its lead editors. I see no problems with reviews, and if you see Jolie, you'll see much more quotes. Shahid • Talk2me 09:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
No comment - This whole process has just confirmed what I already believed. That I am mostly surrounded by a complete bunch of arse jockeys on this site who think it is a school playground and at times really makes me question how this site manages to stay sane. Things have been made ten times worse now. Why don't you all find something better to do rather than intentionally trying to ruin somebody's hard work and success?. Why not actually give it a quick copy edit yourselves if you think it is too POV and quickly find some "reliable" sources" and try to actually help it stay as a good article? If you think it is too praising to Zinta then for crying out loud why not contribute so it isn't quickly to save everybody a lot of time and effort in it going not only through GA and then A again. It took weeks to do. I am disgusted with you all particularly from the Indians here who rather than try to help an article from their own country are just finding fault. . ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 10:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Silent Hill 2
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My third successful GA. It has, since its nomination, swelled in its plot summary and gained an OR tag. Does it just need a bit of work or should delisting be considered? Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 20:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
- Conditional Keep A decent article for a great game, but there are a few things that stick out to me. First off the plot section should definitely be trimmed down. I'd say it needs to be about half of what it is now, but that's just a guesstimate. Also, there's a few instances of in-line citations having a space in between them and the sentence. It should be this,[1] not this. [2] Also the in-line citations need to be formatted consistently and need to give proper and full attribution. Some of them are all over the place. Although the Music section has a main article link, I think you should add in a bit more prose than just a single sentence. I'd also trim down the External links a bit. Also, this sentence is a bit confusing "and he has been manifested from the perspectives of the film's characters rather than that of James, as he does not appear in the film." If you can fix those things, I'd say it definitely meets GA criteria. Hopefully that doesn't seem like too much work. Drewcifer 22:56, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Blind Ambition (Family Guy)
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This review appears very poor, it is going against several other individual episode articles for Family Guy, American Dad etc, the reasoning is only minor things, which are common practice among episode articles. Qst 17:18, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
- Renominate. The review seemed to be superficial and was certainly unhelpful to the editors. --Malleus Fatuarum 18:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Comment
- The lead does not mention anything about the reception or cultural references
- remove the link from 2001
- the link to the wiki does not add anything to the article
- talking about how there plan failed, their
- ".[11]. Remove the full-stop after the reference
- Does linking May 2005 add anything to the article? Family Guy isn't mentioned anywhere in the article
- Retrieved on 3/11/2007 -> Retrieved on November 3, 2007 for readability.
- Chuck Klein links to an article on a baseball player who died 49 years ago. M3tal H3ad 05:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
- Hey, most of these problems were fixed yesterday. The user who failed it had no objections to my renomination of it. I'll make the last couple of changes from that list later today. Cheers, Qst 09:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Barbara Gordon
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As per my peer review at Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Peer review/Barbara Gordon, this is not a good article. It is far too excessively focused on the minutiae of DC comics trivia and continuity, and fails to provide an overview of its most significant claims - that Barbara Gordon, in both of her major comics incarnations, is a cultural icon in some sense. Furthermore, the article is appallingly presentist, with half of the character history being spent on the last four years of comics. The article is not a good article, and requires a thorough rewrite from first premises to become one. Phil Sandifer 14:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Through the Wire
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I think this meets the GA criteria or is at least close to it. I'm listing this here because the editor who reviewed this has made very questionable reviews judging by his talk page. If there are any objections, it can probably be addressed quickly as it's a short article. Spellcast 07:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Back to GAC Is that a new review template? It looks pretty unhelpful, you can't break down adherance to the GA criteria on a scale of 1-10, it either passes, doesn't, or its really close to either, and the criteria are far too subjective for a 1-10 scale to have any meaning whatsoever. Also, the review in this case was indeed amazingly unhelpful, giving editors no indication at all of why the article fails various parts of the criteria. Homestarmy 15:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Renominate at GAC. A terribly unhelpful review. Drewcifer 00:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Marsileaceae
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Failure to use a specific template is not the same as failure to produce a broad article. The specified template is a guideline used by WP:PLANTS for species pages. It is in no way a straightjacket that all plants articles must meet. Many articles do not follow that "standard" template, and many should not follow that template. The Marsileaceae is one such article because a) it is not about a particular plant, b) it is not a plant that is cultivated except in specialized botanical gardens, so the "cultivation" section wouldn't apply, c) it does not have economic uses, except for occasionally substituting four four-leaf clover, which is hardly deserving of an entire "Uses" section. In short, the "broad coverage" criterion was misapplied by the reviewer. It means '"broad coverage", not "specific format". EncycloPetey 04:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Endorse fail The article has two inline cites (not none as noted by the reviewer) however, some additional references seems to be required by the scientific citation guideline, which asks for specific citation for statements such as these::*"In all, the family contains 3 genera and 50 to 70 species with most of those belonging to Marsilea." Statistics need citations always.- "The majority of species (about 45 to 65) belong to the genus Marsilea, which grows world-wide in warm-temperate and tropical regions." Again, contains a statistic that needs a reference.
- It is understood that SCG has different citation requirements than do other citation guidelines, but there still are some citation requirements.
- Also, the broadness criteria seems to not be met. It was not the use of a specific template (in the Wikisense) that the reviewer objected to, it is that the article does not adequately address all major aspects of the topic. While a GA does not require the depth of coverage that an FA does, it does require that there be no major omissions. For example, the ecology (such as relation to other species/relation to its environment) is not covered. Also, no information is given on human interaction with this class of life, such as uses of these plants, or perhaps how these plants are cultivated(if useful) or controlled(if pest). Based on these shortcomings, it looks like a fail was an appopriate act to take. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 05:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- The citations criticism is accepted and has been corrected. However, please note that the ecology/human interactions criticism is inappropriate. There are about 350,000 species of plants, and for most of those species little or nothing is known of how they interact with other species, and most plants have no human uses. Requiring an article to say "nothing is known of the ecology and there are no uses" imposes an unmeetable criterion, since such a statement would require a citation, and no such citation will exist when no such information has been published! It is a catch-22 to require an article to contain original research in order to meet "good article" status. The broadness criterion only requires known and published information to be covered, not unknown, unpublished information. If the information is so obscure that it is not published in books or articles about the plants, why should lack of that information in the article be a hurdle to receiving "good article" status? These plants are not cultivated, controlled, or used (beyond the little blurb in the article). In fact most of the world's 350,000 species of plants are not cultivated, controlled, or used by humans.
- And you are mistaken about the reason for failure. The reviewer said: "This template contains numerous section topics not addressed by the article, hence the failure of broad coverage of the subject." The reviewer specifically failed the article for not including information she assumed should be in the article, whether or not that information actually exists, basing her decision solely on the misapplication of an inappropriate criterion: the WP:PLANTS template. The template does not apply to larger groups of plants and was never meant to be applied that way. It is merely a guideline, intended for use on pages covering a single species of plant, or in some cases a genus. It was never intended to apply to pages that cover larger groups of many disparate species, such as this article on a fern family. The broad coverage criterion is being misapplied. --EncycloPetey 12:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Return to GAN The article appears to have addressed the citation issues. Also, I can understand and accept the above arguement for broadness requirements. It is my opinion that the best course of action now is to seek an additional full review, by returning this to GAN. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 16:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Renominate I didn't see the two Harvard references, but it still needs work. It is, however, obviously not a quick-fail in consideration of that. VanTucky Talk 21:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Opinion only I was the original reviewer and failed the article for lack of broad coverage, citing the non-adherence to the plants template. Not that the template should have been followed to the letter, but it raised plenty of questions for me about broad coverage, that's all. Contrast the sections in this article with those in Fabaceae, also a family-level article, which has sections on taxonomy, description, uses, images, refs and sources. FWIW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmoyer (talk • contribs) 23:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- That's not a fair comparison. Fabaceae is the bean family, one of the largest, most diverse, and most economically important groups of plants on Earth. It includes over 600 genera and more than 16,000 species, with countless crops (peanuts, peas, lentils, clover, etc.) and a large number of kinds of trees. By comparison, the Marsileaceae is a group of small aquatic ferns with at most 70 species in 3 genera, and no economically important crops come from the group. Equivalent rank (family) in a classification does not indicate anything about the relative size or economic importance; it is merely a scientific label. One plant family may include only a single obscure species of liverwort with no economic or horticultural relevance, while another may have thoudands of members familiar to people all over the world. Compare for example Takakiaceae and Poaceae. --EncycloPetey 01:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Universe
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This article fails to meet criterion 4 of the GA criteria (neutrality). As I pointed out at the article's talk page, this article provides no information about the Creationist version of the creation of the Universe. According to our Neutrality Policy, "neutrality" means "representing fairly and, as much as possible, without bias all significant views." Creationism is a view held by almost every major religion in the world; I think it merits inclusion in the article. I suggested here that something be added, but all I got was an offer to add Creationism to the "see also" section and an accusation of being a vandal. This article does not deserve recognition as being of Good Article quality. --Agüeybaná 02:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep This article is clearly about the physical universe as an observable scientific phenomenon. The topic of a creationist worldview is handled by other articles (obviously), and the article does make mention of alternative worldviews with the passage:
Pointing readers to these comprehensive discussions of the debate over the varied views of the cosmological universe is plenty. VanTucky Talk 02:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)Other ways of exploring and describing the origin and evolution of the universe include religious cosmology and philosophical cosmology.
Keep Scientific article, scientific consensus and scientific disagreements. Philosophical and religious views belong in the appropriate articles. AvruchTalk 02:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)Delist and send back to GAN for failure to follow GAN process. AvruchTalk 19:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep on the GA list. This article meets all criteria; this nomination seems not entirly appropriate. It looks like "forum shopping" per WP:FORUMSHOP. This is a discussion that can and should happen on the article talk page; also the GA status is not an endorsement of a perfect article. I have no prejudice towards adding OR towards refusing to add the information that the nominator requests, but such a discussion is content related, and should not be forked over here. Keep said discussion on the talk page, and I reiterate that the article as it stands now meets GA standards as-is. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 03:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Keep, although you raise a good point. If anything it borders on violating criteria 3a (appropriate broadness), not so much 4. Perhaps additional mention of other views of the universe would be helpful, but I don't think it violates the GA criteria because of it. If the article were ever considered for FA status, however, it may be an issue worth further discussion. I would encourage a bit of expansion along those lines (I'd say it deserves more coverage than a measly sentence, at least), but I think it's status as a GA article is secure. Drewcifer 04:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Delist Changed from keep since it appears the article wasn't nominated properly, though I still think for the most part it abides by the criteria. Drewcifer 23:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Keep per VanTucky. There are many other alternate views on the creation of the universe. They don't need to be discussed in depth in this article since they're covered elsewhere. I'm neutral as to whether alternate views deserve a one-sentence mention or no mention in the article. Majoreditor 16:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)Since it didn't really pass, Delist. Majoreditor 18:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
- Delist (well, unlist actually). This article was never passed in the first place. It was nominated on 17 January 2007, and Jorfer failed it on 10 February 2006, giving the lack of coverage of philosophical and religious views on the universe as one issue with the article. A month later, during which there was very little change to the article, Fbs. 13 replaced the two FailedGA templates by three GA templates! The article was not a nominee at the time, and Fbs. 13 made no edits to WP:GAN or WP:GA. This bizarre event was gradually absorbed into the article history as a GA pass: in particular, the listing at GA was semiautomatic.
- I'm surprised that everyone else here thinks it meets the criteria. Maybe how this was raised has something to do with it. Wikipedia is fortunate that it has many well-educated and intelligent editors who know that creationism is a load of nonsense, and gets far too much coverage in the media. Consequently, "This isn't a GA because it doesn't give enough weight to the creationist viewpoint" is quite likely to get the response "Oh yes it is".
- I actually agree with Jorfer's review. The lead is inadequate as a summary of the article, and this is now worse, as the sentence quoted by VanTucky has been added to the lead, but is not developed elsewhere: when the article was first listed here, the only references to other viewpoints were the dablink at the top, and a link in the "See also" section. I really think that other viewpoints on the universe deserve a paragraph, maybe as part of an extended final section on "Other terminology and viewpoints". Wikipedia is in danger of shooting itself in the foot if it fails to provide good linkage from scientific articles to other viewpoints: the last thing we want to be saying to a religiously inclined reader is "You are not welcome here: go to Conservapedia!"
- Jorfer also criticised the verifiability: there are still {{fact}} tags, but also some of the section tags have been removed without being replaced by adequate citation, in my view. Finally, I think some of the science is weak and/or poorly explained. For example: the universe and observable universe are confused (e.g., the observable universe is not infinite, but the universe may be); the discussion of matter vs. antimatter essentially contradicts itself. I believe these issues can be easily addressed. I suggest that this be done, then the article should be renominated. Geometry guy 20:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delist per Geometry primarily, as an invalid pass. However, it should be noted that the title of this article is not Universe (scientific perspective), and the idea that only the scientific point of view matters on this topic would certainly cause the article to be lacking in broadness. Forget creationism for a minute, the perspectives of various indigenous cultures throughout history on the nature of the universe are often highly notable topics in historical fields. The invalid pass alone is cause enough for concern though, the GA system has matured enough to the point where integrity is sort of important. Homestarmy 20:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- I think a treatment of the history of how various cultures viewed the universe would more appropriately be found in an article titled 'History of Astronomy.' Luckily, we have History of Astronomy. AvruchTalk 21:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, but unluckily, this article does not link to History of Astronomy, nor does it provide an appropriate place (other than "See also") for making such a link. Geometry guy 21:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- A full treatment of the subject would, certainly, belong in another article. But as a top-level article, this one should be using summary style for more nuanced aspects of the topic, and it's certainly not so long that there isn't room for more material. Homestarmy 23:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, but unluckily, this article does not link to History of Astronomy, nor does it provide an appropriate place (other than "See also") for making such a link. Geometry guy 21:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delist - Without taking any broadness problem under consideration I think this article must be delisted, the article is clearly not a Good Article since it never passed the nomination process, this was a invalid pass and its addition to the GA list was a mistake, leaving it there will send a negative message to the community. - Caribbean~H.Q. 00:46, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delist as not properly passed with option for proper nomination process to take place immediately if editors so desire.--Peter cohen 11:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delist: on the grounds that the article is not comprehensive enough for a top level Universe page, and because it ought not to have been listed in the first place, not having been nominated. --Malleus Fatuarum 12:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
- I guess you mean "...not broad enough for a top level Universe page" ;-) Geometry guy 20:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Why guess? Why not check a dictionary? From the OCD: "comprehensive - complete; including all or nearly all aspects, etc." Which is precisely what I meant. Perhaps you've confused "comprehensive" with "comprehensible"? --Malleus Fatuarum 21:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- It was a joke: the good article criteria require an article to be broad, the featured article criteria require it to be comprehensive. (I agree with you, though, that this article is not broad/comprehensive enough for GA.) Geometry guy 21:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. I had thought that your comment might be in some way related to the flak I received this morning about my criticism of another editor for describing some topics as being more vital than others. To which I drew the analalgy of some people being more dead than others. I suppose I was just a bit over-sensitive following that incident. Sorry. --Malleus Fatuarum 21:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- It was a joke: the good article criteria require an article to be broad, the featured article criteria require it to be comprehensive. (I agree with you, though, that this article is not broad/comprehensive enough for GA.) Geometry guy 21:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Why guess? Why not check a dictionary? From the OCD: "comprehensive - complete; including all or nearly all aspects, etc." Which is precisely what I meant. Perhaps you've confused "comprehensive" with "comprehensible"? --Malleus Fatuarum 21:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- I guess you mean "...not broad enough for a top level Universe page" ;-) Geometry guy 20:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Keep The article meets all the requirements for GA status. It is a scientific article, not a part of a religious article, so creationist views are not necessary for a balanced POV. In fact, arguing for the inclusion of a creationist/religious POV, which - on being rejected - is followed by an attempt to delist as GA is in IMHO non-NPOV. docboat 15:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
- Do you stand by that view even thought the article never was properly listed as a GA (see my comment above, in case you missed it)? Geometry guy 18:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Mark Foley scandal
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I believe this article was unfairly failed due to "stability" issues, when the article itself has barely been edited in the past few months. I feel it is a Good Article. FamicomJL 22:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Renominate. I suggest that this article should be re-nominated. I really don't see much wrong with it. --Malleus Fatuarum 00:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Endorse fail. The stability issue is due to the Transwiki tag in the article. I would endorse that that entire section needs to be moved to Wikiquote or Wikisource as described in the template. The problem with stability seems to be not that the article has NOT changed, but that it NEEDS drastic changes, and a GA review should NOT be undertaken until said changes have been made. I think the reviewer needed to explain that better, but the Transwiki should be completed before a proper GA review should be done since that changes that will make to the article will be significant. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 03:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Battlefield 2142
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Awkwardly written, with sections that are too precise and irrelevant to general knowledge of the topic; large swaths of the article are unsourced. Posting notices on the talk page and with main contributors met with no response. David Fuchs (talk) 21:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Delist. There are too many unsourced claims, like "More recently in Britain (August 07), the bank Lloyds TSB placed adverts ingame showing various accounts and products available from them." And I agree, it's awkwardly written and fails the good prose criterion. --Malleus Fatuarum 22:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Delist Large sections are unreferenced, and the prose is a problem. Also, the balance of out-of-universe to in-universe coverage seems out of whack per WP:FICT guidelines, also the level of detail on the actual gameplay borders on violating WP:NOT#Guide guidelines; Wikipedia is Not a Game Guide... --Jayron32|talk|contribs 03:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Delist The article has some referencing and prose issues wich could probably be easily resolved with some tweaks and referencing but its structure also appears somewhat random and there is a lot of trivial material that needs to be cleaned up before this is close to GA standards. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Delist Far too in-depth with the individual elements of the game, this should be an encyclopedia article, not a comprehensive instruction manual. Homestarmy 18:45, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Delist In addition to the above, the story section is a probable copyright violation. I will remove it. This article should be delisted asap. Geometry guy 12:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Norman_Finkelstein
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The reviewer did not provide a basis on which to bring the article up to the standards. Apparently failed based on a POV tag in the reference section, but the discussion on the ref section has been over for weeks. AvruchTalk 14:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- I see you have removed the tag, now. I would have thought a re-nomination would be in order. --Peter cohen 20:13, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Re-nominate the article. Majoreditor 02:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- Renominate at GAN with original nomination date - Use the edit summary to detail why you're backdating. Also, format the references. See WP:CITE. Lara❤Love 04:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
- Renominate at GAN Drewcifer 11:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
John Herivel
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Listed as a result of current GA sweep (Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force). Whilst this article meets many of the GA critera, I believe its coverage of - and focus on - its subject are questionable. The majority of the article relates to a single event in John Herivel's life (in considerable detail); further biographical information is sparse. IMO not GA standard for a WP:BIO article, but I'd like further opinions ;) EyeSereneTALK 13:30, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. I am leaning toward "Keep" as GA since the article's subject -- Herivel and his role in Cryptanalysis of the Enigma -- are noteworthy. Also, the Herivel article contains useful material not found in the Cryptanalysis of the enigma article. Majoreditor 15:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. (Fair warning: I'm the primary author on this one). Firstly, I don't believe there's much extra published material that could be added to give more details about John Herivel's life; the biography is "complete" in that sense, at least for the time being, although EyeSerene is quite correct to point out that it's not very detailed. And yes, the article does essentially deal with two interrelated topics at once. That was a conscious decision, and I would argue that it's not necessarily a bad approach. You could split out the article into two stubby articles, but I think it makes for a better encyclopedia article to treat both together — indeed, that's always how the topics are treated in the sources. — Matt Crypto 10:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delist. Rename. Renominate. On very narrow grounds (for astoundingly, I enjoyed the article and under slightly different circumstances would argue for its inclusion). If the name of the article was hidden from me, and I was invited to guess what it might be, I would opt for 'Herivel's Tip'. That's what the article is about, and I do think it is important that the name of an article reflects its content. When I open a can of peas, I feel cross when I find chickpeas inside. Certainly I can settle for the closely-related legume, but the fact of the matter remains that I was misinformed; the can labeler should have taken a little bit of extra care at accurately identifying the contents. As for the closely related (and unwritten) biography of John Herivel, it would be a thin article indeed; John Herivel appears to have succeeded in conducting a quiet, uneventful life in which he has written some interesting books. So a fellow who does a neat bit pattern recognition gives rise to a Good Article on that work, and the article on his life is otherwise brief. So be it, so long as the contents of the various articles are identified in unmisleading ways. Gosgood 20:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. I find this article to be definitely interesting. Oppenheimer only did one thing in his lfe, did he not? --andreasegde 15:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- Rename and keep - Quality wise, it's good. Although, I would like to point out that "Interesting" is not a criteria for GA. It covers the topic of Herivel's Tip very well, but there is entirely too little biographical information to consider this a biography. Lara❤Love 18:27, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delist, rename and renominate. This clearly isn't a biography, but what little biographical information there is may not be relevant to an article called Herivel's tip. --Malleus Fatuarum 18:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Facing the Giants
Restarting old GA/R. Although many of the previous GA/R's issues have been addressed a few remain. Namely, a short lead and poor plot section. Drewcifer 03:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delist I agree with the nom, the lead is pretty weak and the plot section is confusing. A little cleanup will help immensely. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 23:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Delist - I originally stated Week Keep on the past GAR, but I am changing my position. There has been no work done to lengthen the lead, and the plot section needs some adjusting. If these are addressed, then this article will easily meet GA criteria, but until then, I believe it should be delisted. Rai-me 19:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- Weak Delist - I agree with the above. The lead should summarize the article. It should include some information from each section, including production. Expand the lead and cleanup the plot section and I'll change my recommendation. Lara❤Love 18:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delist. I agree (WP:LEAD!) and there is no sign of any movement here, so I suggest this discussion can be archived. Geometry guy 12:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)