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Orphaned, insufficient context to determine encyclopedic use. [[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 00:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
Orphaned, insufficient context to determine encyclopedic use. [[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 00:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. No information as to subject, purpose, or intended use. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|< |
*'''Delete'''. No information as to subject, purpose, or intended use. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;"> JGHowes </span>]]</span></small> [[User talk:JGHowes|<sup style="color:blue;">''talk''</sup>]]</b></i> 17:39, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' identified based on deleted contribs as Stoneygate Pumping Station, Sunderland, which seems to be some sort of historical building so that the photos could eventually be useful. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 15:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' identified based on deleted contribs as Stoneygate Pumping Station, Sunderland, which seems to be some sort of historical building so that the photos could eventually be useful. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 15:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Rename''' and '''Move to Commons''' for the same reasons Calliopejen1 wants to keep it. As I've stated below, I found a related link [http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/6761/1/CR06201N.pdf right here]. And apparently there are [http://www.visitsunderland.com/attractions-index.asp some others]. ----[[User:DanTD|DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]]) 22:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
*'''Rename''' and '''Move to Commons''' for the same reasons Calliopejen1 wants to keep it. As I've stated below, I found a related link [http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/6761/1/CR06201N.pdf right here]. And apparently there are [http://www.visitsunderland.com/attractions-index.asp some others]. ----[[User:DanTD|DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]]) 22:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Orphaned, insufficient context to determine encyclopedic use. [[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 00:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
Orphaned, insufficient context to determine encyclopedic use. [[User:B|B]] ([[User talk:B|talk]]) 00:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. No information as to subject, purpose, or intended use. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|< |
*'''Delete'''. No information as to subject, purpose, or intended use. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;"> JGHowes </span>]]</span></small> [[User talk:JGHowes|<sup style="color:blue;">''talk''</sup>]]</b></i> 17:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' identified based on deleted contribs as Stoneygate Pumping Station, Sunderland, which seems to be some sort of historical building so that the photos could eventually be useful. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 15:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' identified based on deleted contribs as Stoneygate Pumping Station, Sunderland, which seems to be some sort of historical building so that the photos could eventually be useful. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 15:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Rename''' and '''Move to Commons''' for the same reasons Calliopejen1 wants to keep it. As I've stated below, I found a related link [http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/6761/1/CR06201N.pdf right here]. And apparently there are [http://www.visitsunderland.com/attractions-index.asp some others]. ----[[User:DanTD|DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]]) 22:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
*'''Rename''' and '''Move to Commons''' for the same reasons Calliopejen1 wants to keep it. As I've stated below, I found a related link [http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/6761/1/CR06201N.pdf right here]. And apparently there are [http://www.visitsunderland.com/attractions-index.asp some others]. ----[[User:DanTD|DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]]) 22:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:<span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx">[[:File:Adam-Walsh.jpg]] ([{{fullurl:File:Adam-Walsh.jpg|action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+deletion%2F2011+July+17%23File%3AAdam-Walsh.jpg%5D%5D}} delete] | [[File talk:Adam-Walsh.jpg|talk]] | [{{fullurl:File:Adam-Walsh.jpg|action=history}} history] | [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Adam-Walsh.jpg|links]] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=File%3AAdam-Walsh.jpg}} logs])</span> – uploaded by [[User talk:Jelligraze#File:Adam-Walsh.jpg listed for deletion|Jelligraze]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:Jelligraze|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/Jelligraze|contribs]] | [[Special:ListFiles/Jelligraze|uploads]] | [[Special:Log/upload/Jelligraze|upload log]]). |
:<span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx">[[:File:Adam-Walsh.jpg]] ([{{fullurl:File:Adam-Walsh.jpg|action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+deletion%2F2011+July+17%23File%3AAdam-Walsh.jpg%5D%5D}} delete] | [[File talk:Adam-Walsh.jpg|talk]] | [{{fullurl:File:Adam-Walsh.jpg|action=history}} history] | [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Adam-Walsh.jpg|links]] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=File%3AAdam-Walsh.jpg}} logs])</span> – uploaded by [[User talk:Jelligraze#File:Adam-Walsh.jpg listed for deletion|Jelligraze]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:Jelligraze|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/Jelligraze|contribs]] | [[Special:ListFiles/Jelligraze|uploads]] | [[Special:Log/upload/Jelligraze|upload log]]). |
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Citing precedent set at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2011 July 8#File:Caylee anthony.jpg]], it is not necessary to show a non-free photo of the victim to understand the content of the article, per [[WP:NFCC#8]]. If this were a free photo, it would be perfectly fine to include a photo of the victim. However, since it is non-free, it must meet all ten [[WP:NFCC|non-free content criteria]], and it would appear to fail one of them. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 02:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
Citing precedent set at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2011 July 8#File:Caylee anthony.jpg]], it is not necessary to show a non-free photo of the victim to understand the content of the article, per [[WP:NFCC#8]]. If this were a free photo, it would be perfectly fine to include a photo of the victim. However, since it is non-free, it must meet all ten [[WP:NFCC|non-free content criteria]], and it would appear to fail one of them. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 02:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. This particular file is the rare instance when an image becomes a cause celebre in its own right, thereby rising to the level of "iconic". The appeal of the Adam Welsh imagery has distinguished this case of an abducted/murdered child in the public eye from the many others and has led to the ongoing TV series, etc., and galvanized support for Adam Walsh-related legislation. As such, its fair use in this article is essential to "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic" per NFCC, to adequately grasp how this image evoked such unprecedented public response. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|< |
*'''Keep'''. This particular file is the rare instance when an image becomes a cause celebre in its own right, thereby rising to the level of "iconic". The appeal of the Adam Welsh imagery has distinguished this case of an abducted/murdered child in the public eye from the many others and has led to the ongoing TV series, etc., and galvanized support for Adam Walsh-related legislation. As such, its fair use in this article is essential to "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic" per NFCC, to adequately grasp how this image evoked such unprecedented public response. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;"> JGHowes </span>]]</span></small> [[User talk:JGHowes|<sup style="color:blue;">''talk''</sup>]]</b></i> 14:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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**Without sourced commentary ''about the photo itself'', this boils down to [[WP:ILIKEIT]], and "iconic" is not currently provided for in [[WP:NFCC]]. Thus it still fails [[WP:NFCC#8]] despite your assertion. Bottom line is still that we don't need a photo to convey the information in this article. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 05:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC) |
**Without sourced commentary ''about the photo itself'', this boils down to [[WP:ILIKEIT]], and "iconic" is not currently provided for in [[WP:NFCC]]. Thus it still fails [[WP:NFCC#8]] despite your assertion. Bottom line is still that we don't need a photo to convey the information in this article. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 05:27, 22 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''keep''' it certainly helps my understanding of what the victim looked like. not likely to find free photo of deceased person, but if found then delete.[[User:Slowking4|<span style="font-family:Vivaldi;"> Slowking4</span>]]:[[User_talk:Slowking4| 7@1|x]] 17:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC) |
*'''keep''' it certainly helps my understanding of what the victim looked like. not likely to find free photo of deceased person, but if found then delete.[[User:Slowking4|<span style="font-family:Vivaldi;"> Slowking4</span>]]:[[User_talk:Slowking4| 7@1|x]] 17:17, 22 July 2011 (UTC) |
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The result of the discussion was: '''Delete'''; deleted by {{admin|Fastily}} [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<span style="color:#888800;">⚡</span>]] 02:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)<!--Template:Ffd top--> |
The result of the discussion was: '''Delete'''; deleted by {{admin|Fastily}} [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<span style="color:#888800;">⚡</span>]] 02:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)<!--Template:Ffd top--> |
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:<span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx">[[:File:Merit badge group.png]] ([{{fullurl:File:Merit badge group.png|action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+deletion%2F2011+July+17%23File%3AMerit+badge+group.png%5D%5D}} delete] | [[File talk:Merit badge group.png|talk]] | [{{fullurl:File:Merit badge group.png|action=history}} history] | [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Merit badge group.png|links]] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=File%3AMerit+badge+group.png}} logs])</span> – uploaded by [[User talk:Vanished 6551232#File:Merit badge group.png listed for deletion|Vanished 6551232]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:Vanished 6551232|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/Vanished 6551232|contribs]] | [[Special:ListFiles/Vanished 6551232|uploads]] | [[Special:Log/upload/Vanished 6551232|upload log]]). |
:<span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx">[[:File:Merit badge group.png]] ([{{fullurl:File:Merit badge group.png|action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+deletion%2F2011+July+17%23File%3AMerit+badge+group.png%5D%5D}} delete] | [[File talk:Merit badge group.png|talk]] | [{{fullurl:File:Merit badge group.png|action=history}} history] | [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Merit badge group.png|links]] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=File%3AMerit+badge+group.png}} logs])</span> – uploaded by [[User talk:Vanished 6551232#File:Merit badge group.png listed for deletion|Vanished 6551232]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:Vanished 6551232|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/Vanished 6551232|contribs]] | [[Special:ListFiles/Vanished 6551232|uploads]] | [[Special:Log/upload/Vanished 6551232|upload log]]). |
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A <u>collage</u> of multiple non-free images is almost never accepted as fair use. I know this is pretty, but I can't think of any reasonable justification for this being used. There are plenty of other (non-free) images being used on this page already to illustrate the subject. I don't object to those, it's just that this one is gratuitous. [[User:Sven Manguard|< |
A <u>collage</u> of multiple non-free images is almost never accepted as fair use. I know this is pretty, but I can't think of any reasonable justification for this being used. There are plenty of other (non-free) images being used on this page already to illustrate the subject. I don't object to those, it's just that this one is gratuitous. [[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:#207004;">'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</span>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><span style="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</span></small>]] 05:08, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:The rest of the images at [[History of merit badges (Boy Scouts of America)]] are also collages. --[[Special:Contributions/98.249.32.186|98.249.32.186]] ([[User talk:98.249.32.186|talk]]) 14:27, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
:The rest of the images at [[History of merit badges (Boy Scouts of America)]] are also collages. --[[Special:Contributions/98.249.32.186|98.249.32.186]] ([[User talk:98.249.32.186|talk]]) 14:27, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::Yes and no. Yes, they are technically two separate non-free images in one picture. However it's the front and the back of same object, where both sides are discussed in the article, so it's not the same as the one up for deletion, which is five different objects, all of which are already in the article already. [[User:Sven Manguard|< |
::Yes and no. Yes, they are technically two separate non-free images in one picture. However it's the front and the back of same object, where both sides are discussed in the article, so it's not the same as the one up for deletion, which is five different objects, all of which are already in the article already. [[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:#207004;">'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</span>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><span style="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</span></small>]] 22:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Where are the guidelines on collages? Whet defines a collage? ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> </span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 20:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
:::Where are the guidelines on collages? Whet defines a collage? ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> </span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 20:54, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::: This isn't a "collage", it's single picture with multiple items in it. If every photo with more than one item in it were a "collage", then nearly all photos would be "collages" which is not true. <span style="color:#0000cc;">''North8000''</span> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 00:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC) |
:::: This isn't a "collage", it's single picture with multiple items in it. If every photo with more than one item in it were a "collage", then nearly all photos would be "collages" which is not true. <span style="color:#0000cc;">''North8000''</span> ([[User talk:North8000#top|talk]]) 00:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::Fine, it's a "picture with multiple items in it". Now that that's out of the way, how about we discuss whether or not it meets the NFCC requirements? I say it dosen't. I've yet to see anyone say that it does. [[User:Sven Manguard|< |
:::::Fine, it's a "picture with multiple items in it". Now that that's out of the way, how about we discuss whether or not it meets the NFCC requirements? I say it dosen't. I've yet to see anyone say that it does. [[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:#207004;">'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</span>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><span style="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</span></small>]] 08:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::::I have poked around and can't find any criteria related to collages. All of the individual images are sourced to and owned by the same organization. You say it doesn't meet the criteria, I'm asking please show me. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> </span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 00:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
::::::I have poked around and can't find any criteria related to collages. All of the individual images are sourced to and owned by the same organization. You say it doesn't meet the criteria, I'm asking please show me. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> </span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 00:05, 21 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::::At issue are criteria #3a (Minimal usage: Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information.) and more importantly, criteria #8 (Contextual significance: Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.) |
:::::::At issue are criteria #3a (Minimal usage: Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information.) and more importantly, criteria #8 (Contextual significance: Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.) |
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:::::::In other words, because all of the items in that lead image are ''already in the article elsewhere'' this adds nothing to the article which is not already gained by the other images that are in that article. I should have made this clearer earlier. Sorry about that. [[User:Sven Manguard|< |
:::::::In other words, because all of the items in that lead image are ''already in the article elsewhere'' this adds nothing to the article which is not already gained by the other images that are in that article. I should have made this clearer earlier. Sorry about that. [[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:#207004;">'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</span>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><span style="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</span></small>]] 23:31, 22 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::::::::And those are rationales I can understand and agree with. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> </span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 01:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC) |
::::::::And those are rationales I can understand and agree with. ---'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]<span style="color:darkblue"> </span>'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup> 01:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete''' per nom. Whether one wants to call it a collage or not is immaterial. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 05:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''' per nom. Whether one wants to call it a collage or not is immaterial. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 05:36, 22 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:<span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx">[[:File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg]] ([{{fullurl:File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg|action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+deletion%2F2011+July+17%23File%3ACham+albanians+gallery.jpg%5D%5D}} delete] | [[File talk:Cham albanians gallery.jpg|talk]] | [{{fullurl:File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg|action=history}} history] | [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg|links]] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=File%3ACham+albanians+gallery.jpg}} logs])</span> – uploaded by [[User talk:Balkanian`s word#File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg listed for deletion|Balkanian`s word]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:Balkanian`s word|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/Balkanian`s word|contribs]] | [[Special:ListFiles/Balkanian`s word|uploads]] | [[Special:Log/upload/Balkanian`s word|upload log]]). |
:<span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx">[[:File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg]] ([{{fullurl:File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg|action=delete&wpReason=%5B%5BWikipedia%3AFiles+for+deletion%2F2011+July+17%23File%3ACham+albanians+gallery.jpg%5D%5D}} delete] | [[File talk:Cham albanians gallery.jpg|talk]] | [{{fullurl:File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg|action=history}} history] | [[Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg|links]] | [{{fullurl:Special:Log|page=File%3ACham+albanians+gallery.jpg}} logs])</span> – uploaded by [[User talk:Balkanian`s word#File:Cham albanians gallery.jpg listed for deletion|Balkanian`s word]] (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:User talk:Balkanian`s word|action=edit&preload=Template:Fdw_preload&editintro=Template:Fdw_editintro§ion=new&create=Post+a+comment}} notify]</span> | [[Special:Contributions/Balkanian`s word|contribs]] | [[Special:ListFiles/Balkanian`s word|uploads]] | [[Special:Log/upload/Balkanian`s word|upload log]]). |
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Per [[Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2011_March_30#File:Cham_refugee_camp_in_Albania.jpg]], which is one of the images included in this gallery, which makes the image's use here non-free. Orphaned. –[[User:Drilnoth|Drilnoth]] ([[User talk:Drilnoth|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Drilnoth|C]]) 14:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
Per [[Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2011_March_30#File:Cham_refugee_camp_in_Albania.jpg]], which is one of the images included in this gallery, which makes the image's use here non-free. Orphaned. –[[User:Drilnoth|Drilnoth]] ([[User talk:Drilnoth|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/Drilnoth|C]]) 14:25, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*Yup. Delete. [[User:Sven Manguard|< |
*Yup. Delete. [[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:#207004;">'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</span>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><span style="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</span></small>]] 21:54, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::: A well written article always covers the details shown in the photographs, so if we use your strict criteria we would have no fair use photos remaining - it is always possible to simply describe them. Perhaps the text is enough for you, but many people would find an actual photograph of an event instrumental. This type of use clearly qualifies as Fair use under U.S. and Israeli copyright laws. Furthermore, the IDF Spokesperson has released this video to the public, and explicitly specified in their terms of use that fair use is permitted. Lets see what other editors have to say. [[User:Marokwitz|Marokwitz]] ([[User talk:Marokwitz|talk]]) 04:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
:::: A well written article always covers the details shown in the photographs, so if we use your strict criteria we would have no fair use photos remaining - it is always possible to simply describe them. Perhaps the text is enough for you, but many people would find an actual photograph of an event instrumental. This type of use clearly qualifies as Fair use under U.S. and Israeli copyright laws. Furthermore, the IDF Spokesperson has released this video to the public, and explicitly specified in their terms of use that fair use is permitted. Lets see what other editors have to say. [[User:Marokwitz|Marokwitz]] ([[User talk:Marokwitz|talk]]) 04:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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'''Delete''' I don't see how the photo adds value. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 15:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
'''Delete''' I don't see how the photo adds value. [[User:Calliopejen1|Calliopejen1]] ([[User talk:Calliopejen1|talk]]) 15:45, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' This isn't really as illustrative as [[:File:Victoriaweapons.png]] is. I'm not seeing anything here except for two ships. It dosen't say "raid" to me, it says "two ships near each other". [[User:Sven Manguard|< |
*'''Delete''' This isn't really as illustrative as [[:File:Victoriaweapons.png]] is. I'm not seeing anything here except for two ships. It dosen't say "raid" to me, it says "two ships near each other". [[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:#207004;">'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</span>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><span style="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</span></small>]] 16:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Ok'''. I disagree, but consensus seems to be against me, so I withdraw my objection to delete. [[User:Marokwitz|Marokwitz]] ([[User talk:Marokwitz|talk]]) 22:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC) |
*'''Ok'''. I disagree, but consensus seems to be against me, so I withdraw my objection to delete. [[User:Marokwitz|Marokwitz]] ([[User talk:Marokwitz|talk]]) 22:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Citing precedent set at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2011 July 8#File:Caylee anthony.jpg]], it is not necessary to show a non-free photo of the victim to understand the content of the article, per [[WP:NFCC#8]]. If this were a free photo, it would be perfectly fine to include a photo of the victim. However, since it is non-free, it must meet all ten [[WP:NFCC|non-free content criteria]], and it would appear to fail one of them. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 23:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
Citing precedent set at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2011 July 8#File:Caylee anthony.jpg]], it is not necessary to show a non-free photo of the victim to understand the content of the article, per [[WP:NFCC#8]]. If this were a free photo, it would be perfectly fine to include a photo of the victim. However, since it is non-free, it must meet all ten [[WP:NFCC|non-free content criteria]], and it would appear to fail one of them. [[User:SchuminWeb|SchuminWeb]] ([[User talk:SchuminWeb|Talk]]) 23:33, 17 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep'''. The precedent cited does not apply, because this image is a book cover of the deceased person's biography and writings, which the article goes on to use extensively in discussing the ongoing youth movement and organization that was founded based on the book. NFCC policy, it should be noted, specifically allows "Cover art from various items, for identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary)". While the extent or degree of "critical commentary" is necessarily subjective and, hence, subject to differing views, in this instance the standard is certainly met. It identifies the book for the reader, and confirms for the reader that the article in which it is used is about the same person pictured in this iconic image that is used in numerous publications and mailings distributed by the organization founded in the victim's memory. The organization's widespread use of this specific image to appeal to the public and galvanize support for its goals makes its fair use in this article essential to "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic" per NFCC #8. In summary, the image as used in this instance meets all 10 tests for non-free content. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|< |
*'''Keep'''. The precedent cited does not apply, because this image is a book cover of the deceased person's biography and writings, which the article goes on to use extensively in discussing the ongoing youth movement and organization that was founded based on the book. NFCC policy, it should be noted, specifically allows "Cover art from various items, for identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary)". While the extent or degree of "critical commentary" is necessarily subjective and, hence, subject to differing views, in this instance the standard is certainly met. It identifies the book for the reader, and confirms for the reader that the article in which it is used is about the same person pictured in this iconic image that is used in numerous publications and mailings distributed by the organization founded in the victim's memory. The organization's widespread use of this specific image to appeal to the public and galvanize support for its goals makes its fair use in this article essential to "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic" per NFCC #8. In summary, the image as used in this instance meets all 10 tests for non-free content. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;"> JGHowes </span>]]</span></small> [[User talk:JGHowes|<sup style="color:blue;">''talk''</sup>]]</b></i> 14:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per [[WP:NFC#UUI]] #9 This is a cropped book cover used to illustrate an article on the person whose photograph is on the cover, where the cover itself is ''not'' the subject of sourced discussion in the article. Indeed, the article barely mentions the book. And the cropping of the cover image makes it worthless to identify the book. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 05:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' per [[WP:NFC#UUI]] #9 This is a cropped book cover used to illustrate an article on the person whose photograph is on the cover, where the cover itself is ''not'' the subject of sourced discussion in the article. Indeed, the article barely mentions the book. And the cropping of the cover image makes it worthless to identify the book. —[[User:TEB728|teb728]] [[User talk:TEB728|t]] [[Special:Contributions/TEB728|c]] 05:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' Regardless of anything else, 99 times out of 100 non-free book covers are not permitted on any Wikipedia page except for that of the book the cover is of. [[User:Sven Manguard|< |
*'''Comment''' Regardless of anything else, 99 times out of 100 non-free book covers are not permitted on any Wikipedia page except for that of the book the cover is of. [[User:Sven Manguard|<span style="color:#207004;">'''<big>S</big>ven <big>M</big>anguard'''</span>]] [[User talk:Sven Manguard|<small><span style="color:#F0A804;">'''Wha?'''</span></small>]] 16:41, 20 July 2011 (UTC) |
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*'''keep''' picture of victim adds to my understanding. unlikely to find free image of deceased. or if you want me to write the book article to show the cover infobox, i will. [[User:Slowking4|<span style="font-family:Vivaldi;"> Slowking4</span>]]:[[User_talk:Slowking4| 7@1|x]] 17:44, 22 July 2011 (UTC) |
*'''keep''' picture of victim adds to my understanding. unlikely to find free image of deceased. or if you want me to write the book article to show the cover infobox, i will. [[User:Slowking4|<span style="font-family:Vivaldi;"> Slowking4</span>]]:[[User_talk:Slowking4| 7@1|x]] 17:44, 22 July 2011 (UTC) |
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**ok done: [[Rachel's Tears: The Spiritual Journey of Columbine Martyr Rachel Scott]]. [[User:Slowking4|<span style="font-family:Vivaldi;"> Slowking4</span>]]:[[User_talk:Slowking4| 7@1|x]] 15:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC) |
**ok done: [[Rachel's Tears: The Spiritual Journey of Columbine Martyr Rachel Scott]]. [[User:Slowking4|<span style="font-family:Vivaldi;"> Slowking4</span>]]:[[User_talk:Slowking4| 7@1|x]] 15:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC) |