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There's currently over 300 external links to website "mydramalist" on wikipedia, majority of the links added by user CherryPie94. The website "mydramalist" has all user generated content and doesn't have any unique information. Last year, CherryPie94 also created a wikipedia page for MyDramaList (but that got deleted) and several external linking templates for use on wikipedia like Template:MyDramaList title. CherryPie94 further categorized these external links by Category:MyDramaList title ID same as Wikidata / Category:MyDramaList title ID not in Wikidata / Category:MyDramaList name ID not in Wikidata. As a completely user-generated content website and not offering any unique resources, I don't believe "mydramalist" qualifies for use as an external source. I noticed this website because every new Korean drama series page I read on wikipedia now has an external link to "mydramalist." Nicemagnet (talk) 05:25, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
- As I said before, the template leads to a website that does it fact provide unique resources such as, variety show appearances not included in Wiki due to excessive info/credits, trailers that can't be on wiki due to copyrights, content ratings for for TV shows and movies, airing dates and summaries for episodes. (WP:ELNO: What can normally be linked: Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons). Moreover, it is also different from the other mosty used template which is HanCinema because the template I made provide info for other countries (China and Japan for example), not just Korean content. In addition, Hancinema doesn't provide info about variety shows.
- As for the user-genrated aspect, it is not against WP:ELNO. You know that almost the entire Asian IMDb section is user-generated (I edited mostly all of the IMDb Misty page since I'm a fan of the show) but it is still linked to Wiki. So how is IMDb allowed to be linked if it is user-generated content? Moreover, isn't Wiki a user-generated website. I have replied in length here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture#spamlinks to mydramalist from same user CherryPie94. However, if it is against rules please delete it. Also, can there be a discussion about Hancinema, Daum, and Naver templates too? Are they acceptable or not? I made the daum and naver one to help users that were adding the link manually, however, now I noticed that they are in Korean and don't usually offer any info that are different from HanCinema and MyDramaList. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 08:35, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: The 'how is IMDb allowed to be linked ..' is a WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS type of defense. There are extensive discussions about IMDb and general thoughts about that.
- I can see that the site expands beyond what can be included in Wikipedia (though some info could be incorporated, or more primary linked (trailers will often be on/linked from official websites, or uploaded to YouTube by official channels)). Where I have concerns whether all of these should be in the external links. WP:NOT#LINKFARM is one of the concerns - we do not have to link to everything that is related and provides information. If (as an example) MyDramaList covers more information than IMDb then MyDramaList may be appropriate, whereas the IMDb becomes excessive (noting however, point is that IMDb is way 'more established'). --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:13, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Beetstra: Thanks for informing me about WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. I never read that page, so thanks. I talked about IMDb just to prove that it is user-generated too and nowhere in WP:ELNO does it state that such websites can't be added. Truth is, I sometimes think that there are a lot of external links. Official website (already in the infobox), production company website (already in the infobox), IMDb, HanCinema, Daum, Naver, and MyDramaList. Maybe people in Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture or here should discuss which is more appropriate and what is excessive website to add in the External links section. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 09:37, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: I noticed that as well - and I don't think that the production company website should be there, that one is indirect to the subject (and often already wikilinked). The rest seems sometimes a bit of a linkfarm indeed. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:45, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: The reasons cited for linking to "mydramalist" are extremely weak and seem to be listed just to have a reason.
- "unique resources such as, variety show appearances" <-- How is this relevant to the majority of your links that are included on hundreds of drama series and movie pages? The times that it might be applicable, links to official sources like the official variety show website or talent agency profile page of performers are appropriate, rather than user-generated sourced content that is usually copy and pasted from primary sources. Your reasoning is equivalent to saying "Bob's Cricket List" website keeps track of cricket games, therefore "Bob's Cricket List" external links can be added on all Major League Baseball articles.
- "trailers that can't be on wiki due to copyrights" <-- links to official movie/drama series websites that have the trailers or licensed third party websites like official channels on YouTube should be linked, rather than an unlicensed third party website. Correct me if I'm wrong if mydramalist is licensed.
- "content ratings for for TV shows and movies" <--- this is a cringe worthy weak argument. Seriously? Because website A has javascript code to allow random people to click a rating number, that website should be cited as an authority on the subject?
- "airing dates" <-- this is not a unique resource beyond what the wikipedia article would contain if it became a featured article.
- "summaries for episodes" <-- Exactly how does this apply to all the external links from wikipedia movie, actor and singer pages which do not have episodes? For drama series pages this would be more like fancruft and not pertinent to the wikipedia article.
- In aggregate, linking hundreds of wikipedia pages to mydramalist in various niche topics like drama series/movies/actors/singers, creating the wikipedia page to "MyDramaList," creating external linking templates for "mydramalist," and being questioned last year for having "conflicts of interest" with "mydramalist" really shows that CherryPie94 has a strong bias towards "mydramalist." Even if you ignore all of the potential bias, "mydramalist" simply does not qualify to link on drama series, movies, actors or singer pages. Especially not because it lists "variety show appearances," "has trailers," "has user ratings," "lists air dates" or "summaries for episodes (movies, actors, singers do not have episodes)." "Mydramalist" allows anyone to go to a page and hit "edit," so it is like an open wiki. Lastly, I can't stand going to read about the newest Korean drama series pages on Wikipedia and seeing the "MyDramaList" link at the bottom of every freakin article. I'm now seeing it on Wikipedia Korean/Japanese movie pages and Wikipedia Kpop pages. Nicemagnet (talk) 11:22, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: The reasons cited for linking to "mydramalist" are extremely weak and seem to be listed just to have a reason.
- @CherryPie94: I noticed that as well - and I don't think that the production company website should be there, that one is indirect to the subject (and often already wikilinked). The rest seems sometimes a bit of a linkfarm indeed. --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:45, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Beetstra: Thanks for informing me about WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. I never read that page, so thanks. I talked about IMDb just to prove that it is user-generated too and nowhere in WP:ELNO does it state that such websites can't be added. Truth is, I sometimes think that there are a lot of external links. Official website (already in the infobox), production company website (already in the infobox), IMDb, HanCinema, Daum, Naver, and MyDramaList. Maybe people in Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture or here should discuss which is more appropriate and what is excessive website to add in the External links section. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 09:37, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Nicemagnet: You update to the page made what I was writing disappear, it's okay. You gave good counter-argument. However, for the variety show appearances, you wouldn't be adding all variety show websites on an actors page to show that they made an appearance there. Moreover, usually, the agency website would not have such info, as in the case Jung Yong-hwa agency website, that is where the MyDramaList template is appropriate. For drama, movies and variety shows, the website contains the profiles for actors and entertainers that do not have pages on Wiki due to them not being notable enough. Also, it could work for non-Korean countries that usually don't have databases to provide further info.
- As I said before, and you decide to ignore and keep bring up conflict of interest which I proved was false, I made the template after seeing users adding the links manually (years before I made the template), such as in this case Line Romance and SOTUS: The Series. If I'm biased toward the website I would not have adding other template such as Naver and Daum. However, I have no issue with it being removed if it goes against the rules or if it is redundant. Personally, I don't know why you are very angry and it still gives me a big suspicion that you are one of AsianWiki sock puppets that were determined on removing mydramalist links from pages and were banned by admins. Link to the other IP: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90/Archive. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 12:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: You are talking about actors, while I am talking about drama series and movies (read carefully above "How is this relevant to the majority of your links that are included on hundreds of drama series and movie pages?") To elaborate, your category Category:MyDramaList title ID same as Wikidata shows 201 external links from Wikipedia to Mydramalist that has matching titles. Out of those 201 external links, none of the external links are about variety shows. Out of those 201 external links, none of the drama series or movie titles have any direct relationship to variety shows. Out of the off chance, that a particular drama series or movie is related to a variety show, then in that instance I stated a link to the official variety show is more appropriate. Not blanket linking to mydramalist from every wikipedia movie and drama series page because it has actor pages with variety show appearances. The same applies to "having trailers," "having user ratings," "airing dates" or "episode summaries." Also, as I told you on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture thread, I am not affiliated with any group, but rather seriously annoyed about seeing external links to mydramalist on every Korean drama series, movie, actor, singer page I visit. Because of seeing so many links, I looked into the history tab on popular drama series/movie pages and noticed you were active in monitoring the external links. I then looked into your archived talk page to try to understand why there were so many links to mydramalist and found out that you authored the wikipedia MyDramaList page, created the external link templates for mydramalist and were questioned about having conflicts of interests with mydramalist. All of this under an earlier username. After seeing that I decided to post it first on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture and now here. Nicemagnet (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: Also, I just noticed you made the mydramalist templates around April, 2017 and then were asked about having conflict of interests with mydramalist around that time as well as getting a speedy deletion for the MyDramaList Wikipedia page you created. After a username change, you then made templates for Korean language website Daum around September, 2017 and Korean language portal Naver February, 2018. Good way to refute any future conflict of interest questions. Nicemagnet (talk) 13:27, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: You are talking about actors, while I am talking about drama series and movies (read carefully above "How is this relevant to the majority of your links that are included on hundreds of drama series and movie pages?") To elaborate, your category Category:MyDramaList title ID same as Wikidata shows 201 external links from Wikipedia to Mydramalist that has matching titles. Out of those 201 external links, none of the external links are about variety shows. Out of those 201 external links, none of the drama series or movie titles have any direct relationship to variety shows. Out of the off chance, that a particular drama series or movie is related to a variety show, then in that instance I stated a link to the official variety show is more appropriate. Not blanket linking to mydramalist from every wikipedia movie and drama series page because it has actor pages with variety show appearances. The same applies to "having trailers," "having user ratings," "airing dates" or "episode summaries." Also, as I told you on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture thread, I am not affiliated with any group, but rather seriously annoyed about seeing external links to mydramalist on every Korean drama series, movie, actor, singer page I visit. Because of seeing so many links, I looked into the history tab on popular drama series/movie pages and noticed you were active in monitoring the external links. I then looked into your archived talk page to try to understand why there were so many links to mydramalist and found out that you authored the wikipedia MyDramaList page, created the external link templates for mydramalist and were questioned about having conflicts of interests with mydramalist. All of this under an earlier username. After seeing that I decided to post it first on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture and now here. Nicemagnet (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Nicemagnet: Again, please read what I wrote "For drama, movies and variety shows, the website contains the profiles for actors and entertainers that do not have pages on Wiki due to them not being notable enough. Also, it could work for non-Korean countries that usually don't have databases to provide further info." Moreover, as for "active in monitoring the external links", I occasionally add them when I see more info on the other website, however, I'm by no means monitoring them except if they show up on my watch list. Moreover, it is not solely me that is editing and improving external links, I could give you examples of pages that were by other users and they added the link. MyDramaList page was first approved because of the it is notable in term of alexa rating of the website, however, it was later deleted due to the lack of secondary source, which I did not object to.
- I'm sorry, but I'm still suspicious since it seems weird that the day the IPs were banned, your account showed up and was angry and blame me specifically for making the template without any prior edits to the Asian articles on Wikipedia.
- Since, I stated my point, I see no further use is discussing this since this is not turning into a polite discussion. If @Beetstra: thinks it should be deleted I would 100% agree.~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 13:37, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: It's kind of ironic reading that you don't monitor external links, because on the other thread I linked to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture, you posted a question with the title "Should Viu be allowed to post their link on pages?" That post asks: I noticed recently that there has been a lot of articles that link to Viu streaming pages. Is that allowed? Other external links such as Hancinema, Daum, Naver, and MyDramaList don't stream, they are just databases which provide more info. That question kind of indicates you do monitor external links. Also up this thread you listed having trailers as one of the reasons why you link to mydramalist, but your question about Viu states mydramalist doesn't stream, it's just a database. So why did you list having trailers as one of the factors you link to mydramalist again? Nicemagnet (talk) 14:06, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Nicemagnet: I asked that cause I remember reading in the WP:ELNO that it was not allowed and it showed up in my watchlist when someone added it to a page I made. As I said, if you really think it should be delete it, please do report it. I stated my point about why I made it and why I think it is good in some cases, but if it such a rule breaker, then it should be deleted. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 14:20, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: It's kind of ironic reading that you don't monitor external links, because on the other thread I linked to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Korea/Popular culture, you posted a question with the title "Should Viu be allowed to post their link on pages?" That post asks: I noticed recently that there has been a lot of articles that link to Viu streaming pages. Is that allowed? Other external links such as Hancinema, Daum, Naver, and MyDramaList don't stream, they are just databases which provide more info. That question kind of indicates you do monitor external links. Also up this thread you listed having trailers as one of the reasons why you link to mydramalist, but your question about Viu states mydramalist doesn't stream, it's just a database. So why did you list having trailers as one of the factors you link to mydramalist again? Nicemagnet (talk) 14:06, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
In addition to the external links. The external link templates of mydramalist created by CherryPie94, leads to these category pages all made by CherryPie94. How do these category pages better articles on Wikipedia (They don't)? For keeping track of the quantity of external links to mydramalist and making sure there as many external links as possible, this system seems quite useful. Or put in another way. I know for myself I don't have any concern whether the title of a drama series on Wikipedia matches that on mydramalist. This seems important to CherryPie94 as he made these category pages.
- MyDramaList title ID same as Wikidata
- MyDramaList title ID not in Wikidata
- MyDramaList title ID different from Wikidata
- MyDramaList name ID same as Wikidata
- MyDramaList name ID not in Wikidata
- MyDramaList name ID different from Wikidata
Nicemagnet (talk) 22:28, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Nicemagnet: IMDb and HanCinema all use the same categories. It is not something special just used on the template I made. For some reason, the discussion switched from talking about the external link (was being added way before the template. Moreover, this is an external link discussion, not the template discussion) to criticizing me. That is not how a dispute discussion is conducted. Please state your opinion about the link, if you said all you can and gave your full opinion, just wait for other editors to read this and give their opinion. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 22:41, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: In regards to IMDb and HanCinema you are again resorting to WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. But if you want to go there, did the same person that created the IMDb wikipedia page, also create IMDb external link template and IMDb external link category list pages? No? Did the same person that created the HanCinema Wikipedia page, also create the HanCinema external link template and also the HanCinema external link category list pages? No? But you created all of this for mydramalist. Furthermore you go way beyond the two tracking categories that exist for IMDb (IMDb template with invalid id set and IMDb template with no id set) and the four that exits HanCinema (HanCinema drama template with no id set and 3 category tracking pages for person ID's). Lastly mydramalist is an open wiki that allows anyone to edit anonymously on any page. IMDb does not allow anonymous editing and HanCinema is not user-generated content to my knowledge. Nicemagnet (talk) 00:40, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Nicemagnet: I meant that I used both IMDb and Hancinema templates to create the other ones since I was pretty new to making template I thought it was necessary. "Lastly mydramalist is an open wiki that allows anyone to edit anonymously on any page." I went there to check and no, it keeps asking me to create an account to edit, so it is not anonymously just like IMDb. I noticed that you have edited your previous post to include "I know for myself I don't have any concern whether the title of a drama series on Wikipedia matches that on mydramalist." Looks like you don't know what those categories are for. Those are for wikidata, not to compare the titles of pages to MyDramaList. As I said previously, if you really think it should be deleted, please do request for it, don't know why this discussion keeps going any longer when you are convinced that it is against the rules. I'm not objecting to it being removed if it goes against the rules, don't know why I have to repeat the somethings over and over. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 02:09, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: I stand corrected on mydramalist allowing anonymous edits. It seeems you need to make an account and then anyone can edit away. I only found out about mydramalist through the wikipedia external links and was not familiar with the website at all before. What I did find a little humorous and unbelievable is your assertion that "I went there to check and no, it keeps asking me to create an account to edit, so it is not anonymously..." You who listed really obscure details about mydramalist to try to justify the external links and having authored the wikipedia page for mydramalist and having created the mydramalist external link templates and the mydramalist category pages, is not familiar with that website's most basic function and had to go there to find out? :D Sure. I think that comment is a great example of how insincere you might be about your relationship to mydramalist. Nicemagnet (talk) 12:07, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Nicemagnet: I went to check and see if what you claim is true or not, which was false. Both MyDramaList and IMDb (I edit on IMDb frequently) use the same system. Anyone can create an account of both platforms and edit. Moreover, we have already established that user-generated content is not against the rules, but looks like you have no further argument. As I said before, this page is to discuss external links (added by me or other users), it is not to discuss my past edits or the templates I made, there are other pages for that. Here you discuss if the addition of mydramalist link are allowed or not. Moreover, disputes are not resolved in a day, so allow some time for other editors to engage in the discussion. We heard your opinion and they have heard mine, so let's wait and see what the others think. How much further should I prove I'm not related? I don't object to it deleted and just stated why I added it. I have been on Wiki years before I created the template. You are just trying very hard to attack me with no further argument to make. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 12:18, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: Also, in regards to your comment "I meant that I used both IMDb and Hancinema templates to create the other ones since I was pretty new to making template I thought it was necessary." Why did you think it was necessary to make templates to mydramalist? Why did you feel inclined to create a Wikipedia page for mydramalist? Why is it important to you to have mydramalist titles in sync with wikidata titles? Also, please don't say you created templates for two other websites, because those two other templates were made after you were previously questioned about having conflict of interests with mydramalist and they are of two foreign language websites not likely to be relevant to English language readers.
- @Nicemagnet: Saying this for the last times, I made it after seeing people add the link manually, same case for all templates I made. Moreover, I submit a request for it be added and the admins approved the template and add it, so go question the admins for approving it. Again, this page is not for questioning me, don't know why you think you are in charge of that when you have never even contributed to Wiki at all. You posted in this page and did know what the use of this page. Here you discuss if the addition of mydramalist links are allowed or not, not the template. And as I said, I don't mind it being deleted, all of the links and template, if it goes against the rules, what more you want me to say? I gladly would proposed the deletion, if a consensus is reached. Your anger and attacks are starting to really show you are part of those Ips/AsianWiki who were also posting angry messages and removing the same links you want to be removed. After the Ips were banned and you got frustrated that other users reverted your edits, you created this account on the same day, wanting the links to be removed. A huge coincidence, right? You are not here to address the issue, you are here to attack anyone who has a different view from you to gain what you want. I think I have said enough and would not reply anymore to you. Whether it is removed or not would be all up to other editors and admins, so wait and see, they might agree with you on removing it. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 08:17, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
- @CherryPie94: Why did you feel inclined to create a Wikipedia page for mydramalist? Why is it important to you to have mydramalist titles in sync with wikidata titles?
Inline links to Wikia sites?
Hey, I just noticed a link to Memory Alpha in our The Price (Star Trek: The Next Generation) article, and wasn't sure what to make of it. If it were formatted like this I would have removed it without a second thought, but it has just made me aware that links like this one can be produced for sites other than Wikipedia's sister projects. (Wikia sites aren't sister projects, are they?) So now I don't know what to think about it. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- Well that was sneaky. My knee-jerk reaction is heck no! I'm ok with MA as EL, but not like that. Kill it with fire. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:30, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- I don't see any reason to disallow them, although I can't think of a good example of where one is actually helpful. If we don't have an article or relevant content on the subject and we shouldn't (in that it's too niche, etc.) then under normal circumstances either we don't need the link or we need to see if the article is made more comprehensible with better phrasing that removes the mention in the first place. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:57, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- Isn't being sent off-WP by something that looks like a wikilink reason to disallow it? Granted, disaster is unlikely to occur as result. Anyway, a wikilink says "this is us". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- In the ten years I've been active here I can't recall seeing even one unequivocally useful/positive/good/valid/correct inline external link. If a link goes outside the "WMF family" it belongs in the list at the bottom of the article. I'm yet to be shown any valid exception. In general Wikia pages are actually not allowed even in the exlinks list per the prohibition against "fansite" links (see WP:ELNO item #11). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
- I removed it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:01, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- In the ten years I've been active here I can't recall seeing even one unequivocally useful/positive/good/valid/correct inline external link. If a link goes outside the "WMF family" it belongs in the list at the bottom of the article. I'm yet to be shown any valid exception. In general Wikia pages are actually not allowed even in the exlinks list per the prohibition against "fansite" links (see WP:ELNO item #11). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:31, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
Actor Databases
I see a trend to add more and more "standard" external links to actor and related articles for example:
- Richard Todd at Find a Grave
- Richard Todd at IMDb
- Richard Todd at the Internet Broadway Database
- Richard Todd at the TCM Movie Database
- Richard Todd at Rotten Tomatoes
- Richard Todd at AllMovie
Can these all really add to the article or is adding for the sake of it and going against wp is not a directory. MilborneOne (talk) 21:48, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
@MilborneOne and JzG: I have for long had an aversion against the blanket addition of IMDb - yes, there are many cases where it adds information that cannot be included in the article, but not by blanket. Moreover, here FindaGrave is maybe separated from the others, but the other 5 (!) are all movie databases/review sites, and I cannot imagine that there is not a massive overlap between the 5, and that at some point one does not add anymore over any other ones. And I am sure that there are articles where the amount of added data is minimal even on the first of the 5. I would be a fan of rekindling a discussion regarding the use of multiple of these, an RfC perhaps? --Dirk Beetstra T C 14:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- An RFC seems reasonable to try a gauge the feeling for these "templated" external links, first glance they dont meet the requirements of an external link and some have been questioned as reliable sources in the past. MilborneOne (talk) 15:50, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
AsianWiki.com and blog.asianwiki.com
- asianwiki.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- blog.asianwiki.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
AsianWiki links exist on 290+ pages. They are being added as an external link (even when they serve no additional value alongside sites like IMDB and HanCinema): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_Harassment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choi_Ri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeong_Yong-ki
The most important thing is that AsianWiki is a user-generated website, which is not reliable WP:UGC. It also goes against WP:ELNO. Links normally to be avoided: (✓) Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. In other words, the site should not merely repeat information that is already or should be in the article. Links for future improvement of the page can be placed on the article's talk page. (✓) [Blog AsianWiki] Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites (negative ones included).
They have been linking to their website instead of not linking, linking to other language Wikipedia using Template:ill, or keeping the link red. As what is happening on this page, Special Affairs Team TEN. Kang Sung-Min, Jang Won-Young, Song Yoo Ha, and Jang In-Sub are all linking to AsianWiki for no reason.
Moreover, instead of citing news articles (Which can easily be found for the pages I provided), they cite their database page as a source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Bo-bae#cite_ref-5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesung#cite_ref-39 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nam_Woo-hyun#cite_ref-30
In addition, the users affiliated with AsianWiki are under investigation for sock puppeting Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90, which goes against WP:ADV. NTMun12 (talk) 12:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- The blacklist seems harsh. I can't find any specific 1 or a small group of users applying the external links for spam purposes. In the case of mydramalist, a few threads up which I made, the problem was 1 person CherryPie94 created the wikipedia mydramalist page, arabic wikipedia mydramlist page (which is still up), external link mydramalist template, category pages organizing mydramalist titles to wikidata and linking to their website hundreds of times. Shouldn't there be some kind of consensus on whether a website should be blacklisted, especially if there isn't any type spamming? In the case of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 of course it is CherryPie94 raising the issue. Nicemagnet (talk) 08:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- P.S. How did the person that posted this thread even know about the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 that CherryPie94 reported ? Nicemagnet (talk) 09:10, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- The blacklist seems harsh. I can't find any specific 1 or a small group of users applying the external links for spam purposes. In the case of mydramalist, a few threads up which I made, the problem was 1 person CherryPie94 created the wikipedia mydramalist page, arabic wikipedia mydramlist page (which is still up), external link mydramalist template, category pages organizing mydramalist titles to wikidata and linking to their website hundreds of times. Shouldn't there be some kind of consensus on whether a website should be blacklisted, especially if there isn't any type spamming? In the case of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 of course it is CherryPie94 raising the issue. Nicemagnet (talk) 08:42, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- This seriously proves you are affiliated AsianWiki. Thanks for tagging/notifying me and giving me evidence. You made an account and got another website banned, but now that your website is banned you are angry. I don't know the other user, you can do a sock puppet investigation if you want. Moreover, now it is confirmed that you are affiliated with AsianWiki and have a conflict of interest. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 09:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- I just have a conflict of interest with you and your constant spamming on wikipedia/wikidata of mydramalist links. Also congrats on the Arabic Wikipedia Mydramalist page [ماي دراما ليست] you still got up with your "Watch DramaFever directly on MyDramaList!" affiliate link embedded in the article. There is no conceivable reason why you created an Arabic Wikipedia page for an English language website, other than you are spamming links to your own website. Nicemagnet (talk) 09:37, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- How did the person that posted this thread even know about the bogus Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 claim that only CherryPie94 knew about (he is the only person that made the report)? Nicemagnet (talk) 09:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
- Well the only way the person that posted this thread knew about the false Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 claim is that they and CherryPie94 are the same person or same person through proxy. CherryPie94 is the only person to have made the false report of a sockpuppet (which ironically he seems to be doing here) and to have known about the false report. This is just some of the other highly questionable actions CherryPie94 has taken (listed in chronological order)
- Created mydramalist page on Arabic language Wikipedia (now deleted)
- Created mydramalist page on English language Wikipedia (now deleted)
- Created mydramalist page on Wikidata (still up here)
- Created Wikipedia external link templates to mydramalist (now deleted)
- Created Category pages to organize links between Wikidata and mydramalist (now deleted)
- Asked by another Wikipedia user about having conflict of interests with mydramalist, but denied it.
- Changed his username
- continued to add hundreds of external links to mydramalist (now deleted)
- continued to add hundreds of links on wikidata to mydramalist (still up) Nicemagnet (talk) 00:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Well the only way the person that posted this thread knew about the false Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 claim is that they and CherryPie94 are the same person or same person through proxy. CherryPie94 is the only person to have made the false report of a sockpuppet (which ironically he seems to be doing here) and to have known about the false report. This is just some of the other highly questionable actions CherryPie94 has taken (listed in chronological order)
- This has gone for long and it is blatant Harassment. I told you I don't know the other user and you may do a usercheck if you want. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 has over 366 views in the last 30 days, the user might be one of them. Moreover, stop with the false claim "continued to add hundreds of links on wikidata to mydramalist (still up)", I have not been adding wikidata link, except for the official links of TV series since T:ITV was updated. MyDramaList template was deleted (after I requested that), what more do you want? If you are not sockpuppeting, the user check would show it. Personally, I find it weird that you only created your account to Harass and have not contributed at all to Wikipedia. If you don't mind, I would appropriate not being tagged every couple of days by you, as I have other pages to help edit on Wikipedia. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 08:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Out of all the questionable actions I just listed, all you can refute is the amount of external links you have added on Wikidata to mydramalist? Why don't you deny that you created the mydramalist arabic wikipedia page, the mydramalist english wikipedia page, the mydramalist wikidata page, the mydramalist wikipedia external link templates, that you added external links to mydramalist on wikipedia articles and wikidata? Because taken as a whole or even in parts, that clearly shows your conflict of interest. Nicemagnet (talk) 14:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- This has gone for long and it is blatant Harassment. I told you I don't know the other user and you may do a usercheck if you want. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 has over 366 views in the last 30 days, the user might be one of them. Moreover, stop with the false claim "continued to add hundreds of links on wikidata to mydramalist (still up)", I have not been adding wikidata link, except for the official links of TV series since T:ITV was updated. MyDramaList template was deleted (after I requested that), what more do you want? If you are not sockpuppeting, the user check would show it. Personally, I find it weird that you only created your account to Harass and have not contributed at all to Wikipedia. If you don't mind, I would appropriate not being tagged every couple of days by you, as I have other pages to help edit on Wikipedia. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 08:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- What does COI have to do with this page? I have not been adding mydramalist recently, even requested it to be deleted to show that I have no COI, and the pages have been deleted. So there is no use to keep claiming I have COI when I have not be editing related articles or even mentioning that website. Also, per WP:COI, "If an editor edits in a way that leads you to believe they might have a COI, raise the issue in a civil manner on the editor's talk page citing this guideline. Avoid making disparaging comments about the subject of the article, its author, or the author's motives. When investigating COI editing, the policy against harassment takes precedence." Therefore, this is not the right place for this. ~~ CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 15:14, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
- Conflict of interest has to do with this page because the original poster referenced the false Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 claim that only you knew about and reported. Your reply that the page "has over 366 views in the last 30 days, the user might be one of them" doesn't explain how the original poster knew about the false sockpuppet report that only you knew about. That page has 366 views because it was linked to from this thread. The original poster also never appears again in this thread, but of course you are here. Look at your history of blatant biased spamming of mydramalist. None of which were deleted until after your website was blacklisted a few weeks ago (except the English language mydramalist page which got nuked by another wikipedia editor pretty fast after you made it and even then you tried to argue why it should not be deleted by claiming "it's one of the most famous 5,000 websites by Alexa").
- Created mydramalist page on Arabic language Wikipedia (now deleted)
- Created mydramalist page on English language Wikipedia (now deleted)
- Created mydramalist page on Wikidata (still up here)
- Created Wikipedia external link templates to mydramalist (now deleted)
- Created Category pages to organize links between Wikidata and mydramalist (now deleted)
- Asked by another Wikipedia user about having conflict of interests with mydramalist, but denied it.
- Changed his username
- continued to add hundreds of external links to mydramalist (now deleted)
- continued to add hundreds of links on wikidata to mydramalist (still up) Nicemagnet (talk) 00:06, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- Conflict of interest has to do with this page because the original poster referenced the false Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/24.252.92.90 claim that only you knew about and reported. Your reply that the page "has over 366 views in the last 30 days, the user might be one of them" doesn't explain how the original poster knew about the false sockpuppet report that only you knew about. That page has 366 views because it was linked to from this thread. The original poster also never appears again in this thread, but of course you are here. Look at your history of blatant biased spamming of mydramalist. None of which were deleted until after your website was blacklisted a few weeks ago (except the English language mydramalist page which got nuked by another wikipedia editor pretty fast after you made it and even then you tried to argue why it should not be deleted by claiming "it's one of the most famous 5,000 websites by Alexa").
Peanuts wiki at Peanuts
Can I get some feedback on how good Peanuts Wiki, an external wiki is as a resource for Peanuts? Please {{ping}} if you have a direct question to me. Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:55, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
- @Koavf: Just as unsuitable as the blog and the fanpage that I just removed. This plainly fails WP:ELNO. The article contains a lot of information, at that level external links quickly do not provide sufficiently more information that is needed for the understanding of the subject. --Dirk Beetstra T C 05:28, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Mywikibiz EL
At The Super Fight, IP 107.77.89.30 has added an External Link:
mywikibiz.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- mywikibiz.com/2356
I think this fails WP:EL as a purely personal and promotional (wiki) webpage. DonFB (talk) 12:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- I'm actually unsure why mywikibiz isn't on the blacklist given its history. --Izno (talk) 12:37, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- @DonFB: (edit conflict) Not sure, either spammy or vandalism, already reverted by User:Fram. --Dirk Beetstra T C 12:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
- This is a globally banned editor (known locally as "BoxingWear" or "The George Reeves Guy" who has been harassing us and adding links to junk pages of his own creation for about 13 years now. I'm going to shut down his IP ranges again; they evidently just came unblocked last night. His links don't even come close to meeting WP:EL. Antandrus (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)