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{{v note}} {{ping|François Robere}} What's the content issue here? All I see are complaints about {{u|Kleuske}}. Additionally, please notify them of this discussion by leaving a message on all participant's talk pages. {{ping|GB fan}} Can you explain why you closed a discussion at ANI and diverted them here when it is very clearly a conduct issue as described above? Thanks. [[User:Nihlus|<span style="padding:2px 2px;font-variant:small-caps;color:#000;letter-spacing:-0.5px">'''Nihlus'''</span>]] 21:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC) |
{{v note}} {{ping|François Robere}} What's the content issue here? All I see are complaints about {{u|Kleuske}}. Additionally, please notify them of this discussion by leaving a message on all participant's talk pages. {{ping|GB fan}} Can you explain why you closed a discussion at ANI and diverted them here when it is very clearly a conduct issue as described above? Thanks. [[User:Nihlus|<span style="padding:2px 2px;font-variant:small-caps;color:#000;letter-spacing:-0.5px">'''Nihlus'''</span>]] 21:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:I didn't divert them here. They described this as a content issue. One editor removed content another wants the content in place until discussion takes place. The only action being requested was to ask for reinstatement of the content, no administrative actions. I did direct towards generic dispute resolution not specifically this notice board. [[:en:User talk:GB fan|~ GB fan]] 22:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC) |
:I didn't divert them here. They described this as a content issue. One editor removed content another wants the content in place until discussion takes place. The only action being requested was to ask for reinstatement of the content, no administrative actions. I did direct towards generic dispute resolution not specifically this notice board. [[:en:User talk:GB fan|~ GB fan]] 22:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC) |
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: Wikipedia is so tedious sometimes. I wondered why there isn't a "don't forget to alert other user" anywhere, and figured the script (or wizard, rather) that automatically starts page sections here will actually ''do something automatically'', like notifying the other user (otherwise what's the point? formatting?). Silly me. I'll notify the user myself. |
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: As for the "why this board and not another", sort it out among yourselves. I tried to be as clear as I can. [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 02:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Volunteer note''' - [[User:Nihlus]], [[User:François Robere]] - As presented, this isn't really stated properly to be either a conduct dispute or a content dispute. It consists of complaints about one editor, but doesn't allege any actionable violation, which typically means that there isn't an actionable violation, only a content dispute. However, it isn't stated as a content dispute either. I could close it, but it is probably more prudent to leave it open to see if the editors will state a content dispute that can be dealt with by compromise that we can handle here. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 02:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC) |
*'''Volunteer note''' - [[User:Nihlus]], [[User:François Robere]] - As presented, this isn't really stated properly to be either a conduct dispute or a content dispute. It consists of complaints about one editor, but doesn't allege any actionable violation, which typically means that there isn't an actionable violation, only a content dispute. However, it isn't stated as a content dispute either. I could close it, but it is probably more prudent to leave it open to see if the editors will state a content dispute that can be dealt with by compromise that we can handle here. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 02:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC) |
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:: Hey [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert]], I asked the admins to do something about a ''user''. I specifically used the terms "temper" and "patience", and noted my reservations regarding the ''way'' they made changes. I did not ask the admins to restore content, nor have I asked for their advice or mediation on content. I did not complain about POV, COI, language, style or any other problem that may arise with content. I asked them to act in relation to one user (going as far as noting that I am ''not'' seeking personal sanctions, thereby implying my concern is with a ''user'', not an ''article''), and nothing more. To me it seems a clear as daylight, and if any issue arises its with the admins' definition of what exactly is "content-related", and whether admins posses the power of ''asking someone for some patience'' in order to ''prevent'' an edit-war, or merely to deal with it post-factum. Put differently: Can we for heavens sake just drop the [[Bench (law)|bench]] game for a moment, and just act like the plain-spoken humans which, according to legend, comprise this community? Actionable or not, ''can you ask that user to cooperate for 72 hours '''before''' we enter an edit war''? It's not a complicated request. If they do, all's well that ends well, and see you in mediation three days from now when the talk page explodes again. If they don't, then we have an edit war and everything's already put on record for you to act on. Cool? Cool. [[User:François Robere|François Robere]] ([[User talk:François Robere|talk]]) 02:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC) |
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Current disputes
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing#Roy Jones Jr. and Location of Foxwoods Resort Casino
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Talk:Environmental racism in Europe#Complaint.
Have you discussed this on a talk page?
Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.
Location of dispute
- Talk:Environmental racism in Europe#Complaint. (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)
Users involved
- Sturgeontransformer (talk · contribs)
- Kleuske (talk · contribs)
- François Robere (talk · contribs)
Dispute overview
- The article Environmental racism in Europe was started and tended to by User:Sturgeontransformer some time ago. It's a rather lengthy article with all kinds of copyediting issues, but Sturgeontransformer has made it clear that they're open to discussion and improvement, and value constructive argumentation.
- Several days ago User:Kleuske "arrived" at the article and started making sweeping, heavy-handed changes, and within four days cut the article's length by 20%.
- Sturgeontransformer asked for a third opinion. I gave my opinion and tried to facilitate a discussion between the two at the article's talk page, among others asking that editing be suspended so we can review Kleuske's extensive revisions in order. I have not been involved with the article before.
- Unfortunately, two things have happened that prohibit that discussion: First, Kleuske's radical revision of the article made discussing it in full very difficult; second, they exhibited such a short-tempered, single-minded approach that both Sturgeontransformer and myself became convinced that discussion could not, and will not yield consensus. Sturgeontransformer has since taken an extended leave from Wikipedia.
Have you tried to resolve this previously?
Applied for WP:ANI but was notified the issue would more properly fit here.
How do you think we can help?
First, kindly ask Kleuske to leave the article as is for 72 hours, so that I may restore it to its "stable" revision (with minimal stylistic changes). Second, ask that they regain control over their temper; I do not believe any of this was the result of ill intention and I do not seek personal sanctions, but whatever itch this subject scratched must be overcome if we are to continue the discussion with less angst, and more patience and civility.
Summary of dispute by Sturgeontransformer
Sturgeontransformer has taken a leave from Wikipedia following the events described above.
Summary of dispute by Kleuske
Talk:Environmental racism in Europe#Complaint. discussion
- Volunteer note: @François Robere: What's the content issue here? All I see are complaints about Kleuske. Additionally, please notify them of this discussion by leaving a message on all participant's talk pages. @GB fan: Can you explain why you closed a discussion at ANI and diverted them here when it is very clearly a conduct issue as described above? Thanks. Nihlus 21:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- I didn't divert them here. They described this as a content issue. One editor removed content another wants the content in place until discussion takes place. The only action being requested was to ask for reinstatement of the content, no administrative actions. I did direct towards generic dispute resolution not specifically this notice board. ~ GB fan 22:00, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is so tedious sometimes. I wondered why there isn't a "don't forget to alert other user" anywhere, and figured the script (or wizard, rather) that automatically starts page sections here will actually do something automatically, like notifying the other user (otherwise what's the point? formatting?). Silly me. I'll notify the user myself.
- As for the "why this board and not another", sort it out among yourselves. I tried to be as clear as I can. François Robere (talk) 02:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
- Volunteer note - User:Nihlus, User:François Robere - As presented, this isn't really stated properly to be either a conduct dispute or a content dispute. It consists of complaints about one editor, but doesn't allege any actionable violation, which typically means that there isn't an actionable violation, only a content dispute. However, it isn't stated as a content dispute either. I could close it, but it is probably more prudent to leave it open to see if the editors will state a content dispute that can be dealt with by compromise that we can handle here. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:19, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
- Hey Robert, I asked the admins to do something about a user. I specifically used the terms "temper" and "patience", and noted my reservations regarding the way they made changes. I did not ask the admins to restore content, nor have I asked for their advice or mediation on content. I did not complain about POV, COI, language, style or any other problem that may arise with content. I asked them to act in relation to one user (going as far as noting that I am not seeking personal sanctions, thereby implying my concern is with a user, not an article), and nothing more. To me it seems a clear as daylight, and if any issue arises its with the admins' definition of what exactly is "content-related", and whether admins posses the power of asking someone for some patience in order to prevent an edit-war, or merely to deal with it post-factum. Put differently: Can we for heavens sake just drop the bench game for a moment, and just act like the plain-spoken humans which, according to legend, comprise this community? Actionable or not, can you ask that user to cooperate for 72 hours before we enter an edit war? It's not a complicated request. If they do, all's well that ends well, and see you in mediation three days from now when the talk page explodes again. If they don't, then we have an edit war and everything's already put on record for you to act on. Cool? Cool. François Robere (talk) 02:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC)