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:*On another note, my recap does not address [[:Category:Wrongfully convicted people]]. Suggest that if the "overturned" nomenclature is adopted that it be merged to [[:Category:Overturned convictions]]. |
:*On another note, my recap does not address [[:Category:Wrongfully convicted people]]. Suggest that if the "overturned" nomenclature is adopted that it be merged to [[:Category:Overturned convictions]]. |
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:* We also still need to clarify whether the geographical categories are to be based on the nationality of the exonerated person or the country in which the conviction was overturned. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] ([[User talk:Otto4711|talk]]) 03:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC) |
:* We also still need to clarify whether the geographical categories are to be based on the nationality of the exonerated person or the country in which the conviction was overturned. [[User:Otto4711|Otto4711]] ([[User talk:Otto4711|talk]]) 03:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC) |
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*'''Merge to 'Category:Overturned convictions' ''', '''Rename Mother's cat to 'Category:Parents exonerated of killing their children' ''' - fixes all the "wrongfully" POV issues. <b><font face="Arial" color="teal">[[User:Jaakobou|Jaakobou]]</font><font color="1F860E"><sup>''[[User talk:Jaakobou|Chalk Talk]]''</sup></font></b> 07:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC) |
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==== Category:Disputed convictions leading to execution ==== |
==== Category:Disputed convictions leading to execution ==== |
Revision as of 07:25, 19 June 2008
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Category:Companies without an unabbreviated name
Category:Crossover comics
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Category:Fenerbahçe PAF footballers
Wrongful convictions
- Category:Wrongful convictions - Template:Lc1
- Category:Canadians wrongfully convicted - Template:Lc1
- Category:Mothers wrongfully accused of killing their babies - Template:Lc1
- Category:British wrongfully convicted people - Template:Lc1
- Category:United States wrongfully convicted people - Template:Lc1
- Category:Wrongfully convicted people - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Problematic - I have grave doubts about the viability of the category structure. It seems far too easy for this to drift into POV over whether a conviction was "wrongful" or simply overturned because of evidentiary or constitutional issues. The subcats are a mess. "Mothers wrongfully accused of killing their babies" is too narrow of an intersection and should be deleted as such. If retained as part of this category structure it should be renamed to Category:Parents wrongfully convicted of killing their children but again, it should be deleted. If retained, the nationality subcats need to be renamed to clarify whether they are for the nationality of the person convicted or the locale of the conviction. But, again, I don't think these are viable categories and should be deleted. Otto4711 (talk) 14:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Further comment - the remaining subcat, Category:Overturned convictions, is less objectionable and might perhaps serve as a basis for the structure if the structure is deemed useful. Otto4711 (talk) 15:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment. Ugh, the names of these categories are horrible. Wouldn't some of these categories be viable and less subject to POV if they included the word "exonerations" or "exonerated" and were therefore limited to people who were convicted and then later legally and officially cleared of the charge? To capture exonerations was probably the intent of the creators, I'm guessing. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- Comment - according to our miscarriage of justice and exoneration pages, a distinction can be made between being exonerated (proven to be innocent) and being wrongfully convicted (with the convicting overturned as being incorrect or unfair). I think the latter is closer to the intent of most of these categories. I agree that changing the category names to focus on "overturned convictions" is a good idea - e.g. Category:Overturned convictions in Canada and Category:Overturned convictions in the United States, although "... in the United Kingdom" seems better than "... in Britain". The mothers category is different, as it focuses on exonerations, with no requirement that they have been convicted - just accused. I agree that mothers should be changed to parents, and that "exonerated" works better here than "wrongfully accused", but I think five members is enough to justify its continued existence. -- Avenue (talk) 09:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- Rename all to "overturned convictions" per above. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- We already have Category:Overturned convictions so we can't rename Category:Wrongful convictions to that name. Would you suggest a merger or doing something else with it? Otto4711 (talk) 17:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- Rename, at the least, to something, but keep renamed Category:Mothers wrongfully accused of killing their babies - a huge issue in the UK, where all but one come from, and she was played by Meryl Streep in the movie made about her. Johnbod (talk) 19:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
- Recap - so it sounds like we're thinking retain Category:Overturned convictions as the lead category, renaming the various geographical cats to either Category:Fooian overturned convictions (basing on the nationality of the person) or Category:Overturned convictions in Foo (based on the country of conviction) and renaming the mothers cat to something like Category:Parents exonerated of killing their children. Otto4711 (talk) 12:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- Support as recapped by Otto4711. It is important that this be limited to cases of exoneration, (and not cases under appeal or where the person convicted asserts the conviction ought to be overturned). I do not see why it has to be "parents" rather than "mothers", as the notorious cases of miscarriages of justice all refer to mothers. The cases that spring to mind were of mothers sent to prison because their children had suffered an unexplained death, which some "expert" claimed "must have" been the mother's fault. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
- The name should be gender-neutral because, should there be a case of a father exonerated of killing his children, he needs to be categorized as an exonerated parent and there is no reason to keep male and female parents separate.
- On another note, my recap does not address Category:Wrongfully convicted people. Suggest that if the "overturned" nomenclature is adopted that it be merged to Category:Overturned convictions.
- We also still need to clarify whether the geographical categories are to be based on the nationality of the exonerated person or the country in which the conviction was overturned. Otto4711 (talk) 03:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Merge to 'Category:Overturned convictions' , Rename Mother's cat to 'Category:Parents exonerated of killing their children' - fixes all the "wrongfully" POV issues. JaakobouChalk Talk 07:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)