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This was created by [[User:Zondor]] to go on [[Template:This]] and [[Template:Otheruses]]. After some people complained on his userpage, he added a cfd tag without listing it here. It is a rather long category name for something that probably is not helped with categorisation. Hence, '''d'''elete. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]] | [[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 22:47, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
This was created by [[User:Zondor]] to go on [[Template:This]] and [[Template:Otheruses]]. After some people complained on his userpage, he added a cfd tag without listing it here. It is a rather long category name for something that probably is not helped with categorisation. Hence, '''d'''elete. [[User:Jfdwolff|JFW]] | [[User_talk:Jfdwolff|<small>T@lk</small>]] 22:47, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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* <b>Delete</b> -- I think that this is a curiosity which applies so broadly to so many topics that it would be cumbersome to make accurate. I honestly don't see a day when I'd pause to wonder if I could find more article names which are also broadly used. It's a concept that just doesn't seem useful or interesting. I think it would save future effort to stop this idea now. "A" for effort, but that effort is better spent elsewhere. -- [[User:Sysy|Sy]] / <sup>[[User_Talk:Sysy|(talk)]]</sup> 02:51, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* <b>Delete</b> -- I think that this is a curiosity which applies so broadly to so many topics that it would be cumbersome to make accurate. I honestly don't see a day when I'd pause to wonder if I could find more article names which are also broadly used. It's a concept that just doesn't seem useful or interesting. I think it would save future effort to stop this idea now. "A" for effort, but that effort is better spent elsewhere. -- [[User:Sysy|Sy]] / <sup>[[User_Talk:Sysy|(talk)]]</sup> 02:51, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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* See also: [[:Category:Articles currently being edited]] -- [[User:Zondor|Zondor]] 06:03, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* See also: [[:Category:Articles currently being edited]] -- [[User:Zondor|Zondor]] 06:03, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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{{Cfd top}} '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:38 (UTC) |
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Category is duplicated by [[:Category:House of Bourbon]]. No distinction between the two is apparent. [[User:Nigosh|Nigosh]] 22:15, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
Category is duplicated by [[:Category:House of Bourbon]]. No distinction between the two is apparent. [[User:Nigosh|Nigosh]] 22:15, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* '''Delete'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. [[User:Pavel Vozenilek|Pavel Vozenilek]] 02:21, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. [[User:Pavel Vozenilek|Pavel Vozenilek]] 02:21, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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====[[:Category:American painters]]==== |
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{{Cfd top}} '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:09 (UTC) |
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Emptied, duplicate of [[:Category:United States painters]]. Could be speedied.--[[User:Jyril|Jyril]] 19:24, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC) |
Emptied, duplicate of [[:Category:United States painters]]. Could be speedied.--[[User:Jyril|Jyril]] 19:24, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* '''Delete'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' this and delete non-standard [[:Category:United States painters]]. [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 16:55, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' this and delete non-standard [[:Category:United States painters]]. [[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 16:55, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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====[[:Category:Slashdot subcultures]]==== |
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{{Cfd top}} '''merge''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:36 (UTC) |
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The result of the debate was '''merge''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:36 (UTC) |
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Small, unlikely to be expanded much. Suggest merging with parent [[:Category:Slashdot]]. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<font color="orange">>|<</font>]] 12:33, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC) |
Small, unlikely to be expanded much. Suggest merging with parent [[:Category:Slashdot]]. [[User:Radiant!|R]][[User_talk:Radiant!|adiant]][[meta:mergist|_<font color="orange">>|<</font>]] 12:33, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Merge''' as suggested. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* '''Merge''' as suggested. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. Not notable. Otherwise, merge. [[User:Kaibabsquirrel|Kaibabsquirrel]] 05:54, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. Not notable. Otherwise, merge. [[User:Kaibabsquirrel|Kaibabsquirrel]] 05:54, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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====[[:Category:Yi Dynasty]]==== |
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{{Cfd top}} '''rename''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:33 (UTC) |
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The result of the debate was '''rename''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:33 (UTC) |
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I propose that this be '''rename'''d [[:Category:House of Yi]], since it was meant to hold both former and present members of the royal house. The Yi Dynasty, aka [[Joseon Dynasty]], is 95 years dead, but the royal house arguably lives on (many post-royal members of the house are listed in the category). Since at some point we will need a [[:Category:Joseon dynasty]], specifically for the historical period, it would be desirable to move this to a less ambiguous name. -- [[User:Visviva|Visviva]] 09:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
I propose that this be '''rename'''d [[:Category:House of Yi]], since it was meant to hold both former and present members of the royal house. The Yi Dynasty, aka [[Joseon Dynasty]], is 95 years dead, but the royal house arguably lives on (many post-royal members of the house are listed in the category). Since at some point we will need a [[:Category:Joseon dynasty]], specifically for the historical period, it would be desirable to move this to a less ambiguous name. -- [[User:Visviva|Visviva]] 09:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Rename''' as per Visvia. [[User:Firestorm|Firestorm]] 16:40, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Rename''' as per Visvia. [[User:Firestorm|Firestorm]] 16:40, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Rename''' as suggested. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* '''Rename''' as suggested. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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{{Cfd top}} '''merge''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:29 (UTC) |
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The result of the debate was '''merge''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:29 (UTC) |
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'''Merge''' into [[:Category:Korean royalty]], with which it is hopelessly redundant, and '''delete'''. -- [[User:Visviva|Visviva]] 09:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
'''Merge''' into [[:Category:Korean royalty]], with which it is hopelessly redundant, and '''delete'''. -- [[User:Visviva|Visviva]] 09:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Merge''' as suggested. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* '''Merge''' as suggested. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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====[[:Category:Anti-gay rights legislation]]==== |
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{{Cfd top}} '''no consensus (keep)''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:28 (UTC) |
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The result of the debate was '''no consensus (keep)''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:28 (UTC) |
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The user that submitted this and I have come to a consensus on what to do about this, which is compatible with the votes of four of the seven editors that voted (by my count) and I suspect would be acceptable to the other editors if asked.. If anyone wants to keep voting, I won't stop them, but I thought it would be best to end the debate, which got quite messy. |
The user that submitted this and I have come to a consensus on what to do about this, which is compatible with the votes of four of the seven editors that voted (by my count) and I suspect would be acceptable to the other editors if asked.. If anyone wants to keep voting, I won't stop them, but I thought it would be best to end the debate, which got quite messy. |
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* '''Rename''' to "LGBT-related laws", as suggested. <small>Disclaimer: This is not a well-researched vote, but it seems a reasonable name to me. Let me know (on my talk page) if I'm missing something.</small> — [[User:SebastianHelm|Sebastian]] [[User_talk:SebastianHelm|(talk)]] 05:40, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC) |
* '''Rename''' to "LGBT-related laws", as suggested. <small>Disclaimer: This is not a well-researched vote, but it seems a reasonable name to me. Let me know (on my talk page) if I'm missing something.</small> — [[User:SebastianHelm|Sebastian]] [[User_talk:SebastianHelm|(talk)]] 05:40, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC) |
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{{Cfd top}} '''no consensus (keep)''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:22 (UTC) |
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The result of the debate was '''no consensus (keep)''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:22 (UTC) |
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::Quite misguided. Many categories are far more "figures of speech," such as [[:Category:Pro-family]] and [[:Category:Racists]]. As for the former, I have not seen you support that one on this page. POV simply blinds people to their inconsistancy and irrationality. --[[User:Noitall|Noitall]] June 28, 2005 14:19 (UTC) |
::Quite misguided. Many categories are far more "figures of speech," such as [[:Category:Pro-family]] and [[:Category:Racists]]. As for the former, I have not seen you support that one on this page. POV simply blinds people to their inconsistancy and irrationality. --[[User:Noitall|Noitall]] June 28, 2005 14:19 (UTC) |
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The result of the debate was '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:09 (UTC) |
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POV title. Implies those not included are against the 1st Amendment. [[User:Noitall]] created this and the three below in a way that endorsing the conservative framing of their positions. -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 02:15, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC) |
POV title. Implies those not included are against the 1st Amendment. [[User:Noitall]] created this and the three below in a way that endorsing the conservative framing of their positions. -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 02:15, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC) |
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*'''delete or rename'''. As it exists today, it is way too POV. However, a rename to something like [[:Category:Notable Pro-First Amendment organisations]] might be in order. [[User:Firestorm|Firestorm]] 16:40, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC) |
*'''delete or rename'''. As it exists today, it is way too POV. However, a rename to something like [[:Category:Notable Pro-First Amendment organisations]] might be in order. [[User:Firestorm|Firestorm]] 16:40, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''delete'''. [[User:A ghost|ghost]] 28 June 2005 12:56 (UTC). This is a [[Code word(figure of speech)]]. It may deserve an article, but not a category. |
*'''delete'''. [[User:A ghost|ghost]] 28 June 2005 12:56 (UTC). This is a [[Code word(figure of speech)]]. It may deserve an article, but not a category. |
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The result of the debate was '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:09 (UTC) |
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Extremely POV. Implies those in category of self-proclaimed "originalists" are against the U.S. Constitution. -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 02:12, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC) |
Extremely POV. Implies those in category of self-proclaimed "originalists" are against the U.S. Constitution. -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 02:12, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC) |
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*'''delete'''. Too POV and broad, and when looked at along with the rest of the categories created by [[User:Noitall|Noitall]], could seem like a Vanity Page. [[User:Firestorm|Firestorm]] 16:44, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC) |
*'''delete'''. Too POV and broad, and when looked at along with the rest of the categories created by [[User:Noitall|Noitall]], could seem like a Vanity Page. [[User:Firestorm|Firestorm]] 16:44, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* '''Delete'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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The result of the debate was '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:09 (UTC) |
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Name is POV. Implies those not in category are anti-marriage. There is a better way to categorize these articles. -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 02:09, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC) |
Name is POV. Implies those not in category are anti-marriage. There is a better way to categorize these articles. -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 02:09, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC) |
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*'''delete''' due to lack of clarity. [[User:Rockyhorror42|Rocky]] 04:04, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC) |
*'''delete''' due to lack of clarity. [[User:Rockyhorror42|Rocky]] 04:04, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''.[[User:A ghost|ghost]] 28 June 2005 12:59 (UTC). Categories should not be used as [[Rhetorical device]]s. |
*'''Delete'''.[[User:A ghost|ghost]] 28 June 2005 12:59 (UTC). Categories should not be used as [[Rhetorical device]]s. |
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The result of the debate was '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:09 (UTC) |
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The very name is extremely POV, suggesting those not included are against the family. If these are to be categorized, there is a better way. -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 02:03, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC) |
The very name is extremely POV, suggesting those not included are against the family. If these are to be categorized, there is a better way. -- [[User:Decumanus|Decumanus]] 02:03, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' - [[User:Rockyhorror42|Rocky]] 04:03, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' - [[User:Rockyhorror42|Rocky]] 04:03, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. [[User:A ghost|ghost]] 28 June 2005 13:01 (UTC). Again, a [[Rhetorical device]]. This one should be treated with an article because of it's wide usage as a [[Code word (figure of speech)]]. |
*'''Delete'''. [[User:A ghost|ghost]] 28 June 2005 13:01 (UTC). Again, a [[Rhetorical device]]. This one should be treated with an article because of it's wide usage as a [[Code word (figure of speech)]]. |
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The result of the debate was '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:19 (UTC) |
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Same reason as shown for Category: Record label artists. While I personally am a fan of this label, I feel it is NPOV to favor this small label ahead of others in categorizing, and I do not feel it fair to add hundreds of hours of work for others trying to add label categories to every artist. The clutter at the bottom of article pages resulting from adding 5 to 15 record labels for each artist that has been on different labels would be ridiculous. Use list format or article on the label and mention a particularly strong label connection in the artist's article if a link is desired; that's enough. [[User:Emerman|Emerman]] 00:53, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
Same reason as shown for Category: Record label artists. While I personally am a fan of this label, I feel it is NPOV to favor this small label ahead of others in categorizing, and I do not feel it fair to add hundreds of hours of work for others trying to add label categories to every artist. The clutter at the bottom of article pages resulting from adding 5 to 15 record labels for each artist that has been on different labels would be ridiculous. Use list format or article on the label and mention a particularly strong label connection in the artist's article if a link is desired; that's enough. [[User:Emerman|Emerman]] 00:53, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete''' as per my argument for [[:Category:Record label artists]] below. --<span style="font-family:monospace"> [[User:Grm_wnr|grm_wnr]] </span>[[User_talk:Grm_wnr|<span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span>]] 09:16, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* '''Delete''' as per my argument for [[:Category:Record label artists]] below. --<span style="font-family:monospace"> [[User:Grm_wnr|grm_wnr]] </span>[[User_talk:Grm_wnr|<span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span>]] 09:16, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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{{Cfd top}} '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:15 (UTC) |
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The result of the debate was '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:15 (UTC) |
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This item was recently created by a new user enamored of three minor indie recording labels, (the only three listed on the page so far) who thought this would be useful for the articles artists they knew of on the labels. However, this person did not consider the additional work this would cause other Wikipedians trying to be consistent and NPOV (not favoring the interests of three particular labels) because there are scores of recording labels and hundreds of recording artists that we would have to start doing this categorizing for, not just the three minor labels this person is a fan of. Also, although the person creating the category, who is a loyal fan of three particular labels they favor, did not realize this, most recording artists are not the property of one particular label throughout their careers. While there are a handful who stick with one or two labels their whole careers, most artists have been on 6 or 7 (or more) minor and major labels, both in Europe and the U.S. So not only does this parent category and the three minor label child categories the person created lead to a ton of work for other people trying to start categories for all the other hundreds of artist articles at Wikipedia already existing, but each artist is usually affiliated with several labels, not just the single label envisioned by the person creating the category. For instance for the 4AD label artists listed, some have also been on labels like Sire and Rykodisc, among others. Yet this person favored the label they personally liked and didn't start a Sire and Rykodisc category. I believe that this record label fan interest is better for individual record label history pages and List formats, but not categories for music artists. Using category format for this subjectt favors certain labels too much, is NPOV, and most importantly leads to much work for others extending this idea to all other artists. Better to stick to articles and lists for this subject and the three child categories I will list in a minute. The longer this is left unattended, the more work and confusion for others will result. I discovered it when the "4AD Records artist" category was added to two artist articles I authored and edited. Both of the artists have been on other larger labels as well, but the other labels are not given categories. The amount of unnecessary work leaving this new parent category and its subcategories up will create is staggering to consider (think of all the major and minor labels in existence the past 50 years!!!), plus it will lead to a heap of category text at the bottom of articles. Any important label affiliation can be listed in an article without categories needed. [[User:Emerman|Emerman]] 00:53, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
This item was recently created by a new user enamored of three minor indie recording labels, (the only three listed on the page so far) who thought this would be useful for the articles artists they knew of on the labels. However, this person did not consider the additional work this would cause other Wikipedians trying to be consistent and NPOV (not favoring the interests of three particular labels) because there are scores of recording labels and hundreds of recording artists that we would have to start doing this categorizing for, not just the three minor labels this person is a fan of. Also, although the person creating the category, who is a loyal fan of three particular labels they favor, did not realize this, most recording artists are not the property of one particular label throughout their careers. While there are a handful who stick with one or two labels their whole careers, most artists have been on 6 or 7 (or more) minor and major labels, both in Europe and the U.S. So not only does this parent category and the three minor label child categories the person created lead to a ton of work for other people trying to start categories for all the other hundreds of artist articles at Wikipedia already existing, but each artist is usually affiliated with several labels, not just the single label envisioned by the person creating the category. For instance for the 4AD label artists listed, some have also been on labels like Sire and Rykodisc, among others. Yet this person favored the label they personally liked and didn't start a Sire and Rykodisc category. I believe that this record label fan interest is better for individual record label history pages and List formats, but not categories for music artists. Using category format for this subjectt favors certain labels too much, is NPOV, and most importantly leads to much work for others extending this idea to all other artists. Better to stick to articles and lists for this subject and the three child categories I will list in a minute. The longer this is left unattended, the more work and confusion for others will result. I discovered it when the "4AD Records artist" category was added to two artist articles I authored and edited. Both of the artists have been on other larger labels as well, but the other labels are not given categories. The amount of unnecessary work leaving this new parent category and its subcategories up will create is staggering to consider (think of all the major and minor labels in existence the past 50 years!!!), plus it will lead to a heap of category text at the bottom of articles. Any important label affiliation can be listed in an article without categories needed. [[User:Emerman|Emerman]] 00:53, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete'''. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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* '''Delete'''. We already organize [[:Category:Albums by record label|albums by record label]], which makes more sense. If it's important, mention labels in the artist article and important artists in the label article. --<span style="font-family:monospace"> [[User:Grm_wnr|grm_wnr]] </span>[[User_talk:Grm_wnr|<span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span>]] 09:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
* '''Delete'''. We already organize [[:Category:Albums by record label|albums by record label]], which makes more sense. If it's important, mention labels in the artist article and important artists in the label article. --<span style="font-family:monospace"> [[User:Grm_wnr|grm_wnr]] </span>[[User_talk:Grm_wnr|<span style="border:1px solid;color:black;font-size:9px;padding:2px 1px 0px 1px">Esc</span>]] 09:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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{{Cfd top}} '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:11 (UTC) |
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The result of the debate was '''delete''' --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 28 June 2005 17:11 (UTC) |
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This should be outright deleted or merged with the [[:Category:United States musicians]] which predated it by six months. The American musicians category is a duplicate created by mistake. I depopulated it already because it's a duplication. People worrying about it in the past on the Talk page didn't realize that because it was a duplicate, the solution was this simple. Eventually the other "American" categories should be changed for consistency because United States is more specific, but I'm not listing this one for deletion for that reason; the reason here is duplication of an already existing, preferable category name. If we don't delete it or otherwise "merge" it, it will continue to be used by people occasionally unaware of the United States musicians category who see a blue link when they use American musicians as the category.[[User:Emerman|Emerman]] 00:37, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
This should be outright deleted or merged with the [[:Category:United States musicians]] which predated it by six months. The American musicians category is a duplicate created by mistake. I depopulated it already because it's a duplication. People worrying about it in the past on the Talk page didn't realize that because it was a duplicate, the solution was this simple. Eventually the other "American" categories should be changed for consistency because United States is more specific, but I'm not listing this one for deletion for that reason; the reason here is duplication of an already existing, preferable category name. If we don't delete it or otherwise "merge" it, it will continue to be used by people occasionally unaware of the United States musicians category who see a blue link when they use American musicians as the category.[[User:Emerman|Emerman]] 00:37, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. --[[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 20:31, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' and delete non-standard [[:category:United States musicians]][[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 16:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' and delete non-standard [[:category:United States musicians]][[User:CalJW|CalJW]] 16:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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