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Early closure of RfAs
- This discussion is about WP:RFA/MZMcBride 4.--Chaser (talk) 16:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
The SNOW or NOTNOW principle is an accepted part of wikipedia; however, I have always understood it to be a measure intended to protect newer editors from the emotional trauma of massive opposition. If an experienced editor wants a discussion to remain open the entire time, it should be completely their prerogative. If an editor wants the discussion to remain open to gain as much constructive feedback as possible, that should be encouraged. As such, I think that MZM has the right to re-open the discussion without prejudice, and should be allowed to use the full length of time to obtain feedback, regardless of how obvious we may believe the outcome to be. -- Avi (talk) 05:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. He probably should have just asked NJ to reverse his decision, but I'm willing to overlook it because his one-word reply was hilarious. Throwaway85 (talk) 05:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- That may be, but MZM went about it all the wrong way. I have nothing further to say about this than what I said in the oppose section on his reopened RfA. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Avi, I mostly agree. But I think NOTNOW/SNOW can and should also be used where the outcome is all but assured, and the only likelihood at this point is fomenting drama.→ ROUX ₪ 06:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should slightly reword them to make them applicable to any editor, not just new ones? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- My interpretation was that SNOW was written for everyone to be bailed out if they're failing with flying colors, and NOTNOW was written as an extension because SNOW is too harsh on new users. I still think that SNOW can be applied to everyone, but NOTNOW is really reserved for new editors. (X! · talk) · @300 · 06:12, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps we should slightly reword them to make them applicable to any editor, not just new ones? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) NihonJoe, I would disagree with that, per above. If there is anywhere that we can apply the aphorism that wikipedia is not paper, it is in the areas that are NOT encyclopedic content, but maintenance. Even if the conclusion is as forgone as the day is long, perhaps someone will give the editor in question the perfect piece of advice. We should not prevent people from attempting self improvement, even if it appears that is not the case. In this case, even if you believe MZM is a drama hound and wants his semi-annual 15 minutes, how can you know that this time will not be the one where someone advises him in just the right way to help him overcome whatever issues he has, and that he stops for 18 months, becomes a model wikipedian, and passes on the next try? You don't know, I don't know, no one knows. So as long as MZM is willing to withstand the emotional toll willingly, we should not close the discussion early. NOTNOW remains a protective measure, not an efficiency tool. -- Avi (talk) 06:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- As an aside, NOTNOW itself says "Note that some editors prefer their RFAs to remain open, even if clearly failing, as the feedback is useful." -- Avi (talk) 06:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Good point Avi. Also, the RfA in question was originally closed per snow, but was reopened soon after. I'm not sure if that was a crat move or just some passer by, but both rationales were used. Throwaway85 (talk) 06:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)That's a good point, Avi... but it raises the question of 'how many times does a user need to be told the same thing?' →ROUX ₪ 06:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- (ecx2)While I would have left it open, I do believe it is within the purvue of 'crats to close any rfa early if the results are all but assured. RfA's are not guaranteed to be open for 7 days.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- While it technically is in our purview, I believe, I am opposed to it for the reasons stated above, which is why this discussion is useful to find out what the greater wikipedia community's opinions are. -- Avi (talk) 06:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Agree, but I think HJ sums up my position pretty accurately. I think Joe was within his rights in closing the RfA and that MZM should have asked Joe to reopen it. A request which should generally be accepted. MzM should not have reopened it himself as it was closed by a crat (he could open, IMO, one closed by an admin or other user.) There does come a point where keeping this open might turn into a true farce/become disruptive and it's the 'crats job to determine if RfA's even of respected members have reached that point.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I concur that it would have been much better for MZM to have asked Joe to reopen it than open it himself. MZM's actions here reflect on how he would enforce and interpret wiki policy, and, as Joe mentions below, this is certainly a piece of information that will help people decide on MZM's appropriateness for being a sysop. -- Avi (talk) 06:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Agree, but I think HJ sums up my position pretty accurately. I think Joe was within his rights in closing the RfA and that MZM should have asked Joe to reopen it. A request which should generally be accepted. MzM should not have reopened it himself as it was closed by a crat (he could open, IMO, one closed by an admin or other user.) There does come a point where keeping this open might turn into a true farce/become disruptive and it's the 'crats job to determine if RfA's even of respected members have reached that point.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 06:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- While it technically is in our purview, I believe, I am opposed to it for the reasons stated above, which is why this discussion is useful to find out what the greater wikipedia community's opinions are. -- Avi (talk) 06:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Avi: "emotional toll" is an interesting term to use. I've found (both on the Internet and in real life) that the comments that have a real impact are the ones that come from people you respect. A lot of the opposes (not a majority, probably, though I haven't counted) come from people with all sorts of baggage: socking, ragequits, petty grievances, and in some cases, a general lack of clue. Those opposes can safely be ignored. The opposes that make reasonable points and come from reasonable editors are the ones worth paying mind to. Those are much, much rarer, from what I've seen. My hope is that I can be more forgiving toward these editors than they can be toward me. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- As an aside, NOTNOW itself says "Note that some editors prefer their RFAs to remain open, even if clearly failing, as the feedback is useful." -- Avi (talk) 06:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I was always under the impression that 'crat closures of RfAs were final, rather like an admin closure at AfD. That said, I believe Joe misjudged the likely result of closing this particular RfA, though MZ was procedurally incorrect in reverting, as opposed to requesting it be re-opened, but his re-opening should be allowed to stand for no other reason than everyone should have better things to do than edit war over it! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone here, least of all me, is arguing it should be reclosed. At this point, I'm happy to see it go down in flames since it's blatantly obvious MZM doesn't care about following any rules but his own. Reopening it likely hurt him worse than anything else he's done recently. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I agree Joe; this will help people decide on MZM's suitability for sysop. In my opinion, the best option would have been for MZM to have asked you, or at least asked here, for a reopen. Separating the specifics of this case with the general question of "sure-to-fail" RfAs that have been requested by the candidate to stay open is important; agreed. -- Avi (talk) 07:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- There are a lot of things that could have been done more appropriately. I think everyone already had a rough idea how the RFA would end up but MZM went ahead anyway in the hopes of getting input in a format that is helpful to him, if not anything else - I think this should have been respected instead of toyed with. That is, it wasn't an exercise for a particular crat to boldly try to choke someone with his own personal opinion about how the process should work, after which that crat would boldly propose to change the page that somewhat contradicts that opinion. It's pretty obvious that it would have been better to wait for the RFA to actually finish, or wait for MZM to ask a crat to close it, or wait for MZM to withdraw it. After all, people aren't obligated to undergo RFA. But if a person wants to, let that person complete it as he/she desires so that it can hopefully help that person improve (and know what to work on). If people think that they already said what needs to be said to a candidate, those people are not obligated to participate in the process or restate their views. That said, it probably wouldn't hurt to have updated views from those people, or clarifications (when asked). And as for MZM's suitability to be a sysop, that discussion really ought to stay at the open RFA itself so that the apparent partial purpose of the RFA can be accomplished (without being hijacked here due to a crat's ill-considered judgement; the drama from this premature move has far exceeded any drama that would have resulted from the RFA coming to its natural conclusion). Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) No one was toying with anything, and I wasn't trying to "choke someone with [my] own personal opinion about how the process should work", so please don't try to attribute something to me which isn't the case and which isn't supported by any evidence at all. I closed it because there was no chance for it to ever pass, so there isn't any reason to keep it open. MZM apparently disagrees and reopened it. If I was trying to force him into accepting the close, I would have taken further action regarding the close, but I have not, instead choosing to let it continue on its merry way. As for my "proposal", it was more of a question of whether we ought to look at rewording it to make it applicable to everyone rather than just new editors. That's certainly a reasonable possibility, and your painting of my suggestion in such a negative light is not welcome, not appreciated, or (most of all) correct. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 07:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- This is how it appears. His response to your ill-considered judgement was what prompted the reversion, as well as your pointy oppose (that's why it seems like toying, otherwise you'd have not brought attention to this yourself; someone else would have). You would have instead apologised on his talk - did you? No? Did you even tell him that you would've appreciated if he spoke to you first? No again? I'm sure your intentions were noble in trying to protect him even though he's not a new user, but clearly he knew what he was getting himself into and still went ahead - he specifically did not appreciate your interference. Yet apparently, you still don't appreciate the different things RFA entails - you're still looking at it as a plain "successful/unsuccessful", "already got tools/gets tools/doesn't have tools". Seriously, others may not have gotten through to you, but has Avi's comments gotten through to you? I didn't say you tried to force him to accept your bold move after it was reverted, but by de facto, except on the occasions where an admin or crat is ready to reverse their judgement after discussion (however long that takes), people are often expected to accept that judgement as final without much recourse. If you didn't try the "shoot first, discuss later" approach, this would have proceeded differently, and it's mind-boggling that you still have not acknowledged that. On your talk, 3 other people also expressed concerns about the way you handled this. This is a crat noticeboard and it's about your judgement as a crat; not a mere candidate's judgement for adminship (that candidate has a RFA where that can be discussed separately). Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- The only thing that is mind-boggling here is your continued attribution of malice to my closure. There's no reason to tell him I would have appreciated if he spoke to me first before he undid the closure. As you said, he's experienced here and he should know better than to undo the closure, especially on his own RfA. If he had asked, I may very well have reopened it even though there is no chance it will ever pass, and it is therefore a waste of time. All the suggestions people have to make have already been covered and it's unlikely he will gain much more benefit from people rehashing the same reasoning over and over. WHile, as Avi indicated, it is remotely possible that someone will word something just the right way for it to worm its way into MZM's brain and actually make a positive impression, I do not see that possibility as very likely. People have been offering him suggestions on how to improve his interactions here for years and he doesn't appear to have taken any of it to heart. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- This is how it appears. His response to your ill-considered judgement was what prompted the reversion, as well as your pointy oppose (that's why it seems like toying, otherwise you'd have not brought attention to this yourself; someone else would have). You would have instead apologised on his talk - did you? No? Did you even tell him that you would've appreciated if he spoke to you first? No again? I'm sure your intentions were noble in trying to protect him even though he's not a new user, but clearly he knew what he was getting himself into and still went ahead - he specifically did not appreciate your interference. Yet apparently, you still don't appreciate the different things RFA entails - you're still looking at it as a plain "successful/unsuccessful", "already got tools/gets tools/doesn't have tools". Seriously, others may not have gotten through to you, but has Avi's comments gotten through to you? I didn't say you tried to force him to accept your bold move after it was reverted, but by de facto, except on the occasions where an admin or crat is ready to reverse their judgement after discussion (however long that takes), people are often expected to accept that judgement as final without much recourse. If you didn't try the "shoot first, discuss later" approach, this would have proceeded differently, and it's mind-boggling that you still have not acknowledged that. On your talk, 3 other people also expressed concerns about the way you handled this. This is a crat noticeboard and it's about your judgement as a crat; not a mere candidate's judgement for adminship (that candidate has a RFA where that can be discussed separately). Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) No one was toying with anything, and I wasn't trying to "choke someone with [my] own personal opinion about how the process should work", so please don't try to attribute something to me which isn't the case and which isn't supported by any evidence at all. I closed it because there was no chance for it to ever pass, so there isn't any reason to keep it open. MZM apparently disagrees and reopened it. If I was trying to force him into accepting the close, I would have taken further action regarding the close, but I have not, instead choosing to let it continue on its merry way. As for my "proposal", it was more of a question of whether we ought to look at rewording it to make it applicable to everyone rather than just new editors. That's certainly a reasonable possibility, and your painting of my suggestion in such a negative light is not welcome, not appreciated, or (most of all) correct. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 07:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- There are a lot of things that could have been done more appropriately. I think everyone already had a rough idea how the RFA would end up but MZM went ahead anyway in the hopes of getting input in a format that is helpful to him, if not anything else - I think this should have been respected instead of toyed with. That is, it wasn't an exercise for a particular crat to boldly try to choke someone with his own personal opinion about how the process should work, after which that crat would boldly propose to change the page that somewhat contradicts that opinion. It's pretty obvious that it would have been better to wait for the RFA to actually finish, or wait for MZM to ask a crat to close it, or wait for MZM to withdraw it. After all, people aren't obligated to undergo RFA. But if a person wants to, let that person complete it as he/she desires so that it can hopefully help that person improve (and know what to work on). If people think that they already said what needs to be said to a candidate, those people are not obligated to participate in the process or restate their views. That said, it probably wouldn't hurt to have updated views from those people, or clarifications (when asked). And as for MZM's suitability to be a sysop, that discussion really ought to stay at the open RFA itself so that the apparent partial purpose of the RFA can be accomplished (without being hijacked here due to a crat's ill-considered judgement; the drama from this premature move has far exceeded any drama that would have resulted from the RFA coming to its natural conclusion). Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I agree Joe; this will help people decide on MZM's suitability for sysop. In my opinion, the best option would have been for MZM to have asked you, or at least asked here, for a reopen. Separating the specifics of this case with the general question of "sure-to-fail" RfAs that have been requested by the candidate to stay open is important; agreed. -- Avi (talk) 07:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone here, least of all me, is arguing it should be reclosed. At this point, I'm happy to see it go down in flames since it's blatantly obvious MZM doesn't care about following any rules but his own. Reopening it likely hurt him worse than anything else he's done recently. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- My original research: MZM is looking at this as a discussion on trust: He can be trusted. Know the allusion? The West Wing, specifically Mandy. He has the core goals of the project at heart. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs. He moved the ethical stance of the project forward re BLP. That's huge progress. Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Basis for early bureaucrat closure of RfAs
I think there is some misunderstanding (including by bureaucrats) of the basis upon which bureaucrats may close a failing RfA early. WP:SNOW is derived from WP:IAR and is appropriate reasoning to be relied upon by a non-bureaucrat closing an RfA. The RfA page has for at least 5 years included the sentence (under "Decision process"): "Bureaucrats may also use their discretion to close nominations early, if a promotion is unlikely and they see no further benefit in leaving the application open." That to my mind is policy and I believe (though someone may want to do the research and correct me if I'm wrong) that it predates WP:SNOW. In other words, bureaucrats may exercise their judgment to close an RfA where promotion is unlikely and they judge that there is no merit in it continuing. Such a close, I believe, should not be reverted without discussion.
I suspect from above that Nihonjoe did not intend his close to be final and that he was acting, like any other editor, within the scope of the rules allowing for early closure of RfAs by anyone. Those closes I believe, should be reverted if the candidate objects. The RfA should then run until either (a) the scheduled end time or (b) early closure by a bureaucrat, acting as a bureaucrat, based on the RfA policy itself (rather than IAR/SNOW reasoning). WJBscribe (talk) 12:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- MZMcBride's RfA was closed per snow, by ChiefJusticeDS. PeterSymonds reverted that closure. NihonJoe closed per notnow, and it's unclear whether your argument applies to that rationale. Throwaway85 (talk) 12:20, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I think WJB makes a valuable point. The capacity in which a bureaucrat closes an RfA should affect how lightly the close may be undone. I suppose the lesson to take away from this is that bureaucrats would be well advised to make the distinction clearer in future. —Anonymous DissidentTalk 14:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I actually did intend the closure to be final, but I'm not willing to cause "moar dramaz" just to be pointy. I think a closure can be based on both the RfA policy and SNOW/NOTNOW. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 15:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- I think a problem is that certain users who hold extra privilleges appear as if they expect to be treated like royalty on Wikipedia (whether or not this is their actual intent). Perhaps this is partially because some of the more conservative views have tried to promote these roles (like cratship) as something that it's not. What can be seen in recent months is that people's views are very gradually beginning to evolve, and they are rejecting the red tape when it is being used in a manner in which it should not be; all of this is not so obvious. When someone raises a concern with such an user who holds privileges, and all that user keeps offering is patronising responses and/or ones that evades concerns, people think twice. A line will eventually be drawn where no quantity of theoretical analysis, policy wonking and/or politicking will be able to disguise the actual source of the problems. More consideration, more humility & more effective communication with others (including candidates), combined with better judgement and more common sense, is really all that is needed/expected of the crats, and frankly, I don't think that's too much to ask for. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- For an experienced candidate an early close without checking first would normally be poor form but this was an exception. McBride's is a divisive RFA due to the strong reactions he provokes from both sides, there was a greater than usual amount of mud slinging and drama even before the close. With no chance of success theres no point in keeping the RFA open with all the distracting hostility. Ncmvocalist suggests McBride may benefit from feedback but that doesnt seem credible going by the attitude the candidates so far expressed to opposing and neutral comments. Maybe Joe could have asked Mcbride first but then closing the RfA to avoid distracting the community from our work in building the encyclopedia seems something in line with McBride's view, going by his campaign against secret pages on the grounds they distract from our core purpose. Good move Joe, hopefully someone else will close once he gets to WP100. FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
(od) I just noticed that this is already being discussed here (I guess I don't haunt the right pages!). My 2 cents: In this case there was no need to unilaterally close the RfA. It's not like MZMcBride is sitting around fretting "do I have to put up with this for 7 days!" or waiting for some groundswell of popular support. Nor do I see the RfA causing disruption. Nor is it likely that he is misreading consensus. If he wanted to close it, he could just do it himself. A polite note on MZM's talk page asking for permission to close it would have been more appropriate. I would also suggest that, if you really must close an RfA like this one, a 'form letter' [1] is not the best way to inform an editor with MZMcBride's experience (that note gives new meaning to the term 'bureaucrat'). It is hardly surprising to me that MZM did not bother contacting Nihonjoe after reading that note.--RegentsPark (talk) 17:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, but you're wrong. That wasn't a "form letter" as I made it up as I was writing it. I apologize that it wasn't witty enough for you, but I saw no reason to try to inject gaiety and humor into the situation. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
- In regards to SNOW, I've always viewed it as something to use to protect a naive or new user from experiencing a pile on, and something to use for more experienced users at their request only. In either of these cases, I think it is okay for any admin to jump into action, but in the second case at the candidate's request only. Occasionally there isn't a bureaucrat around to close an RfA that needs more immediate attention. Kingturtle (talk) 17:11, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- It should be noted that WP:BUR has only limited guidance for early closures (simply a link to "WP:NOTNOW"), whereas WP:Requests for adminship/Front matter#Decision process states that "Bureaucrats may also use their discretion to close nominations early, if a promotion is unlikely and they see no further benefit in leaving the application open." Reconciling these two pages would probably be in order. –xenotalk 17:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC) clarify. and I've just realized this is slightly redundant to WJBscribe above, who I concur with entirely. 22:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed. I would support tweaking WP:CRAT to match the latter. 67.136.117.132Also 174.52.141.13817:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
- So would I. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
BRD! --MZMcBride (talk) 19:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
RfA withdraw?
[2] looks like a withdraw, but I'm really not sure and I'd actually encourage him to stick it out (even though I'm an opposer). Can someone sort it out and maybe talk him out of it? Thanks, Hobit (talk) 12:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Withdrawn RfA
I notice that User:Falcon8765 has withdrawn their RfA, so perhaps it should be closed and de-listed. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
In case you're interested
This proposed change would affect the guidance given you for closing RfA's: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Proposal of August 31 2010 Herostratus (talk) 21:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Timothymarskell
- Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Timothymarskell
- Timothymarskell (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- User talk:Marskell
The account Timothymarskell is blocked, and the account Marskell has been de-sysopped. However, the page Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Timothymarskell "has been placed on hold by a bureaucrat pending a decision as to the outcome". Perhaps this RFA page should no longer be "on hold", but rather, closed? -- Cirt (talk) 23:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Seems like a sensible suggestion. Aiken ♫ 23:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Or deleted? Why keep it? BencherliteTalk 23:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- That seems a bit much, as it is evidence of disruptive behavior. -- Cirt (talk) 23:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- <Shrug> Well, the disruptive account has been blocked – do we need to preserve and archive this? Nothing happened in the RFA, and all the relevant discussions took place at the user's talk page. Let's see what a crat thinks; I don't particularly mind what happens but was just making a suggestion. BencherliteTalk 23:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- The Timothymarskell (talk · contribs) account has been blocked yes, but the Marskell (talk · contribs) account has not. Regardless, If the Timothymarskell (talk · contribs) account were to be unblocked at a future point in time, its subsequent RFA page would be at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Timothymarskell 2, not again at the first RFA page for the account. -- Cirt (talk) 23:37, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- <Shrug> Well, the disruptive account has been blocked – do we need to preserve and archive this? Nothing happened in the RFA, and all the relevant discussions took place at the user's talk page. Let's see what a crat thinks; I don't particularly mind what happens but was just making a suggestion. BencherliteTalk 23:34, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- That seems a bit much, as it is evidence of disruptive behavior. -- Cirt (talk) 23:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)