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*'''Delete''' no independent reliable sources to [[WP:verify notability]]. [[User:Shooterwalker|Shooterwalker]] ([[User talk:Shooterwalker|talk]]) 21:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' no independent reliable sources to [[WP:verify notability]]. [[User:Shooterwalker|Shooterwalker]] ([[User talk:Shooterwalker|talk]]) 21:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC) |
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*I can only deduce that the people who are saying that no sources exist have made zero effort to determine whether that was in fact the case. I've already found an atlas and three other encyclopaedias. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 10:24, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
*I can only deduce that the people who are saying that no sources exist have made zero effort to determine whether that was in fact the case. I've already found an atlas and three other encyclopaedias. [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 10:24, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
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** I saw one of the encyclopedias too. But that's a tertiary source... not a secondary source. And probably from one of the publisher's business partners... not an independent source. [[User:Shooterwalker|Shooterwalker]] ([[User talk:Shooterwalker|talk]]) 18:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' I think this is a premature nom - quite a bit of literary commentary exists about Tolkien and I think some digging will uncover enough to source the article (as Uncle G has demonstrated). Although I'm tempted to suggest a merge, but in my view, this can be a stand-alone piece. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 13:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' I think this is a premature nom - quite a bit of literary commentary exists about Tolkien and I think some digging will uncover enough to source the article (as Uncle G has demonstrated). Although I'm tempted to suggest a merge, but in my view, this can be a stand-alone piece. [[User:Truthkeeper88|Truthkeeper88]] ([[User talk:Truthkeeper88|talk]]) 13:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
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Years of the Lamps
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The article is written with an in-universe perspective with no inline citations for verifiability and also no third-party sources to verify notability. The only reference is a primary source, The Silmarillion. While Tolkien's work is notable, this article in no way meets the criteria of the general notability guideline, being an unnecessary content fork and a plot-only description of a fictional work. The article fulfills the criteria of reasons for deletion and there is no need to merge anything here with another article because this topic, along with other similar ones, is already covered in History of Arda. Jfgslo (talk) 20:30, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Keep, deletion isn't needed if sourcing can be provided. Corvus cornixtalk 20:33, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. —Jfgslo (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. —Jfgslo (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. —Jfgslo (talk) 20:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete; plot-only summaries of fictional work are not appropriate for this encyclopedia, as per WP:NOT. Sourcing is only relevant if people have mentioned the context, impact, or importance of this subject; sources saying "this is what Tolkein said" aren't particularly germane. The Land (talk) 22:29, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Sadads (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
- Merge to History of Arda -- 65.93.13.216 (talk) 05:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete: I suggest that Corvus get cracking and find some independent, reliable sources which discuss the subject in "significant detail," then. I very much doubt they exist. RGTraynor 21:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete no independent reliable sources to WP:verify notability. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
- I can only deduce that the people who are saying that no sources exist have made zero effort to determine whether that was in fact the case. I've already found an atlas and three other encyclopaedias. Uncle G (talk) 10:24, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- I saw one of the encyclopedias too. But that's a tertiary source... not a secondary source. And probably from one of the publisher's business partners... not an independent source. Shooterwalker (talk) 18:18, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment I think this is a premature nom - quite a bit of literary commentary exists about Tolkien and I think some digging will uncover enough to source the article (as Uncle G has demonstrated). Although I'm tempted to suggest a merge, but in my view, this can be a stand-alone piece. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 13:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)