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*<s>'''delete''' nom</s> <small>The nominator can't make bold delete comments. This is explained in the [[WP:AFDFORMAT]] policy. -- [[User:Ильина Оля Яковна|Ilyina Olya Yakovna]] ([[User talk:Ильина Оля Яковна|talk]]) 12:03, 16 January 2018 (UTC)</small> |
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*'''neutral''' - I'm not sure that doing well on that hellish dissection isn't notable. I notice that there's nothing on the page since 2012. Nor is there anything I can find about him at a glance. Chances are though, that he'll be producing papers soon, and there aren't that many people in [[:Category:Serbian mathematicians]] [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">∰</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">✡</span>]] [[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 17:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
*'''neutral''' - I'm not sure that doing well on that hellish dissection isn't notable. I notice that there's nothing on the page since 2012. Nor is there anything I can find about him at a glance. Chances are though, that he'll be producing papers soon, and there aren't that many people in [[:Category:Serbian mathematicians]] [[User:Bellezzasolo|<span style="color: #bb9900">∰</span><span style="color: #00326a">'''Bellezzasolo'''</span><span style="color: #bb9900">✡</span>]] [[User talk:Bellezzasolo|<small>Discuss</small>]] 17:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''delete''' - I do not see what makes him notable. [[User:CLCStudent|CLCStudent]] ([[User talk:CLCStudent|talk]]) 21:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
*'''delete''' - I do not see what makes him notable. [[User:CLCStudent|CLCStudent]] ([[User talk:CLCStudent|talk]]) 21:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC) |
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Teodor von Burg
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Not notable. Von Burg is categorized here as a mathematician. If so, then he must have a list of profound and recognized contributions to mathematics. As far as I see, he entered Exeter College undergraduate studies in 2012 but there is no information whether he finished it, no knowledge about distinction or recognitions particular to his study.
No one is a notable mathematician for just being successful at secondary school math level competitions.
His success at IMO is not correctly valued. Von Borg never won the first place. The highest one was the third place in 2010. So, if we give gold medal to the competition winner, the silver to the runner up, then this student would have no more than a single bronze medal in five runs. The criterion to win gold was to get no less than 30 out of 42 points. The real IMO competition star was Ciprian Manolescu, who participated 3 times, and every time he scored perfect 42 points (already noticed by Arimakat).
All those awards are no more than local moral incentives given to a promising student. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BTZorbas (talk • contribs)
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delete nomThe nominator can't make bold delete comments. This is explained in the WP:AFDFORMAT policy. -- Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 12:03, 16 January 2018 (UTC)- neutral - I'm not sure that doing well on that hellish dissection isn't notable. I notice that there's nothing on the page since 2012. Nor is there anything I can find about him at a glance. Chances are though, that he'll be producing papers soon, and there aren't that many people in Category:Serbian mathematicians ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 17:36, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- delete - I do not see what makes him notable. CLCStudent (talk) 21:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I think that this article should be kept because it meets the requirements of policy. According to IMO's official website he has won four gold medals at the International Mathematical Olympiad, which is the mathematics field most important world event, widely described as the "most prestigious mathematical competitions in the world" and vaguely equal to the Olympics, which is why it's called an Olympiad. He was also won a silver medal and a bronze medal. All these medals can be verified. He is also second in the hall of fame, making him the IMO's second most successful participant ever. A short google search also shows many people describing him as the most successful IMO participant ever, although this is not quite accurate. But then the nominators comments are not accurate either, a gold medal is a gold medal. Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 21:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Also I will point out that this article was put forward to be deleted before and kept, and the points made then are still valid. Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 22:01, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment@Ilyina Olya Yakovna My statements are verifiable, therefore accurate. My main point "No one is a notable mathematician for just being successful at secondary school math level competitions." holds.--BTZorbas (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- However describing gold medals from what is widely described as one of the worlds most prestigious mathematics competitions as "local moral incentives given to a promising student" is not the finest example of an accurate statement. Nor is your hypothetical analogy about the medals particularly helpful since I got totally confused and thought you were saying something completely different. Also I think it is unfair to say that he is no longer notable because he is now the second most successful participant at the International Mathematical Olympiad, which is the main reason for deletion, since it was clearly decided to keep the article when he was the most successful participant. This being according to the International Mathematical Olympiad's own rankings, and not your own undisclosed personal ranking of what a notable mathematician is. Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 23:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment@Ilyina Olya YakovnaPlease, stop distorting my statements. I said "All those awards are no more than local moral incentives given to a promising student." Search for the "award" word in the biography. Medals are not awards nor I ever equate these two things.--BTZorbas (talk) 23:59, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- In the English language the word "medal" is a synonym of "award" with near identical meaning.[1][2][3] You should have specified what awards you were talking about rather than vaguely stating "those awards" as you did not mention any awards other than his gold medals in what you wrote. English is not my first language but I feel you have written your comment in a most unclear way and without saying why exactly Teodor von Burg is not notable. Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 00:15, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Comment@Ilyina Olya Yakovna Please, stop talking nonsense. English language, as any spoken language, is context dependent. I've used these two words ("medal", "award") exclusively in the biography context. The other two users who commented my proposal did not find anything wrong with the proposal.--BTZorbas (talk) 00:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Exactly my complaint, you don't give any context, you just write about his IMO medals then make a random comment about awards and expect everyone to know what you mean.
- Comment@Ilyina Olya Yakovna My statements are verifiable, therefore accurate. My main point "No one is a notable mathematician for just being successful at secondary school math level competitions." holds.--BTZorbas (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
But to break it down. He has:
- 4 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze medals at the International Mathematical Olympiad.
- 3 gold, 3 silver medals at the Balkan Mathematical Olympiad.
- 2 gold, 1 silver, 1 bronze medals at the Junior Balkan Mathematical Olympiad.
- He is the most successful ever competitor of the Junior Balkan Mathematical Olympiad.
- He is the second most successful ever competitor of the International Mathematical Olympiad. (first place for 3 years).
- Record youngest competitor of the Junior Balkan Mathematical Olympiad, Balkan Mathematical Olympiad and International Mathematical Olympiad.
- He has taken part in 57 other mathematical competitions, with: 44 first, 11 second, and 2 third prizes.
- Saint Sava Award, for his contribution and commitment in the field of education.
- He was awarded the Charter of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts.
- Karić Brothers Award, in the field of scientific and research work.
- By my count, ten reliable sources in the article/identified.
- Another six or so non-English sources, being news reports and biographies that no one has included.
- A great many of mentions, mostly saying how he is the world's best young mathematician.
So really my point is why do you think this is not good enough? What possible reason to delete this article is there? It is very clear to me that he is notable according to your policy entitled WP:GNG and the other policy called WP:BIO which says the same. You are just hiding the facts behind vagueness that cannot be understood and pretending your concept of who is a notable mathematician is relevant when the policy clearly disagrees with you. Ilyina Olya Yakovna (talk) 01:07, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Strong delete Being a student competitor in math is just not a sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:00, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Not by itself, but what about being a world-class competitor in the most renowned international maths competition in conjunction to having received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject? Having written a book is also not a sign of notability, but that is not a particularly good reason for deleting Lemony Snicket. --Lambiam 11:11, 16 January 2018 (UTC)