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*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Popular culture|list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions]]. </small><small>—[[Special:Contributions/94.196.217.102|94.196.217.102]] ([[User talk:94.196.217.102|talk]]) 18:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)</small> |
*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Popular culture|list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions]]. </small><small>—[[Special:Contributions/94.196.217.102|94.196.217.102]] ([[User talk:94.196.217.102|talk]]) 18:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)</small> |
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* '''Keep''': Per JulesH's logic (very well put). [[User:Dp76764|<font color="#FF0000">DP</font><font color="#0000FF">76764</font>]] ([[User Talk:Dp76764|Talk]]) 18:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
* '''Keep''': Per JulesH's logic (very well put). [[User:Dp76764|<font color="#FF0000">DP</font><font color="#0000FF">76764</font>]] ([[User Talk:Dp76764|Talk]]) 18:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
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**see [[WP:JUSTAVOTE]]. if you cannot contribute to the discussion other than to endorse another persons opinion, you should not be contributing at all [[User:Misterdiscreet|Misterdiscreet]] ([[User talk:Misterdiscreet|talk]]) 18:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
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*Contrarian '''delete''' under WP:NOTNEWS as the sources are from the weeks following the event and therefore establish no lasting significance. [[User:WillOakland|WillOakland]] ([[User talk:WillOakland|talk]]) 18:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
*Contrarian '''delete''' under WP:NOTNEWS as the sources are from the weeks following the event and therefore establish no lasting significance. [[User:WillOakland|WillOakland]] ([[User talk:WillOakland|talk]]) 18:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Stephen Colbert at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Association Dinner
- Stephen Colbert at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Association Dinner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
almost three years after the fact the only impact this dinner has had has been in afd's. it's made them worse. people wantonly violate WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS and cite this article. for example, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bills sponsored by Barack Obama in the United States Senate, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Cramer's appearance on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, etc (do a search for colbert on those pages to see the WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS violations). per WP:POKEMON, the solution seems obvious - remove this article per WP:RECENTISM, WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:NOT#NEWS. the citations are all for naught, as well. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barry Bonds 714th home run had lots of citations and it got deleted. rightfully so, too - citations alone are not enough. if this article was deleted no one would care enough to recreate it in this depth because the recentism appeal wouldn't be there.
that this was a former front page featured article is of little consequence - Talk:Torchic was a former front page featured article and look at its fate. Misterdiscreet (talk) 16:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Keep. The cited policies do not seem to apply; the speech in question seems to have risen above a temporary news item to the point where it was still receiving comment in major media sources six months later, so I don't see how WP:NOT#NEWS is relevant. WP:RECENTISM is only an essay, and cannot therefore be used by itself as grounds to delete an article (as it quite correctly notes itself). I fail to see how WP:INDISCRIMINATE is relevant in the slightest; this article clearly describes an event that was quite important, a comedy performance that has achieved critical acclaim. In this regard it is no less discriminate than any other article on entertainment events. This particular event has quite clearly received much discussion in the press, which is one of the measures we use to determine whether the inclusion of something is indiscriminate or not: describing something that is notable is not considered indiscriminate; by the rules described at WP:N there's a clear presumption of notability for this event. Unless there's a good reason to consider those rules wrong in this case (and I don't see one in your deletion argument), I see no reason to delete the article. Very few after-dinner speeches are notable, but this one seems to make the mark. JulesH (talk) 17:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Also, Barry Bonds 714th home run was a 2-sentence article with 2 references, which was merged to a 52k article (i.e., when combined, about the right length for an article). This article is a 5,000 word/47k article with 76 references and the logical merge target being a 68k article (i.e., when combined, well and truly in the "almost certainly should be divided" category according to WP:Article length; in fact, even before merging this article in, Stephen Colbert is in the "probably should be divided" range, so we should be looking at moving content out of that article, not into it). Merging is not an option here, because the parent article is already too long. JulesH (talk) 18:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- that Barry Bonds 714th home run only had 2 references is immaterial - there are over 7,000 references available [1]. and whether or not Stephen Colbert's article is too long is also immaterial - the fact remains that this article should, at worst, be a footnote, and at best, be deleted. your assertion that the event "was quite important" is a WP:NOR violation. It did not create profound change in American politics nor was it something that changed the outcome of an election. this dinner is no more notable than the Donald Trump/Rosie O'Donnell feud and look at the article on that. oh wait - it doesn't exist, even though it, too, is still discussed in the media. see [2] for instance (do a search for "o'donnell"). Misterdiscreet (talk) 18:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Also, Barry Bonds 714th home run was a 2-sentence article with 2 references, which was merged to a 52k article (i.e., when combined, about the right length for an article). This article is a 5,000 word/47k article with 76 references and the logical merge target being a 68k article (i.e., when combined, well and truly in the "almost certainly should be divided" category according to WP:Article length; in fact, even before merging this article in, Stephen Colbert is in the "probably should be divided" range, so we should be looking at moving content out of that article, not into it). Merging is not an option here, because the parent article is already too long. JulesH (talk) 18:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. —94.196.217.102 (talk) 18:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Keep: Per JulesH's logic (very well put). DP76764 (Talk) 18:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- see WP:JUSTAVOTE. if you cannot contribute to the discussion other than to endorse another persons opinion, you should not be contributing at all Misterdiscreet (talk) 18:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Contrarian delete under WP:NOTNEWS as the sources are from the weeks following the event and therefore establish no lasting significance. WillOakland (talk) 18:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)