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# For [[WP:ANYBIO]] (or [[WP:ANYBIO|Any biography]]): <blockquote>1. The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for one.</blockquote><blockquote>2. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field.</blockquote> No notability per [[WP:ANYBIO]], it seems to me. The only individual award won by Tylman was the ''Grand Owl'', a student-level award from Jagellonian University. |
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# For [[WP:ARTIST]]/[[WP:AUTHOR]] (or [[WP:CREATIVE|any "creative professional"]]): <blockquote>1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.</blockquote><blockquote>2. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.</blockquote><blockquote>3. The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.</blockquote><blockquote>4. The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.</blockquote><blockquote>5. See Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for guidelines on academics ''- not applicable to Tylman''</blockquote> There is no evidence (or even suggestion) to be found that Tylman either <blockquote>1) is an "important figure" or is widely cited by his peers;</blockquote> <blockquote>2) is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique;</blockquote><blockquote>3) has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or review;</blockquote> or <blockquote>4) has created work that (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or is to be found in many significant libraries.</blockquote> Accordingly, I do not see the basis for anything other than a deletion. Tylman is simply non-notable. [[User:Anti-Nationalist|Anti-Nationalist]] ([[User talk:Anti-Nationalist|talk]]) 11:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)" I agree entirely with all of this. [[User:Varsovian|Varsovian]] ([[User talk:Varsovian|talk]]) 11:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC) |
# For [[WP:ARTIST]]/[[WP:AUTHOR]] (or [[WP:CREATIVE|any "creative professional"]]): <blockquote>1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.</blockquote><blockquote>2. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.</blockquote><blockquote>3. The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.</blockquote><blockquote>4. The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.</blockquote><blockquote>5. See Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for guidelines on academics ''- not applicable to Tylman''</blockquote> There is no evidence (or even suggestion) to be found that Tylman either <blockquote>1) is an "important figure" or is widely cited by his peers;</blockquote> <blockquote>2) is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique;</blockquote><blockquote>3) has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or review;</blockquote> or <blockquote>4) has created work that (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or is to be found in many significant libraries.</blockquote> Accordingly, I do not see the basis for anything other than a deletion. Tylman is simply non-notable. [[User:Anti-Nationalist|Anti-Nationalist]] ([[User talk:Anti-Nationalist|talk]]) 11:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)" I agree entirely with all of this. [[User:Varsovian|Varsovian]] ([[User talk:Varsovian|talk]]) 11:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' I can't believe the article is nominated - yet again, it's starting to get a bit ridiculous. Also if somebody could please tell Varsovian to avoid copying walls of text from previous discussions, he can simply link to it. Otherwise we can all start copying lots of text from previous AfDs... [[User:Loosmark|<span style="background:#acf;padding:2px;color:black; 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"> '''Dr. Loosmark''' </span>]] 11:39, 26 April 2010 (UTC) |
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Richard Tylman
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This article is about a Canadian poet/artist. However not a single article or mention has been made about him in any Canadian newspaper, either major newspapers, such as the Globe, the Star or the Vancouver Sun or local free newspapers. TFD (talk) 01:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
I have notified the participants of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (3rd nomination), and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 January 18#Richard Tylman about this AfD. Cunard (talk) 02:48, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions. -- --Darkwind (talk) 02:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. -- --Darkwind (talk) 02:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Weak delete. I think there is insufficient coverage of him for a Wikipedia article, per WP:AUTHOR. Some fairly obscure sources have been milked of all they had to get article where it is now. I realize this is a judgment call to some extent, and others will disagree, as they had in the past. His wiki-relationships inevitably color who !votes which way in the various AfDs and DRVs on this matter. Pcap ping 02:20, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. -- Pcap ping 02:23, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Comment. Here are the results of some google searches:
- As mentioned in the nom, he does not appear in any news articles.
- His official page is not linked to from any site on the web.
- The publisher, Aspidistra Press, for almost all of his works is not anywhere on the web. Perhaps these works are only Self-published.
- It appears that Tylman may be the only person to ever publish with Aspidistra Press.
- The last book listed, Koty marcowe, was published by a real(?) publisher. However, it can only be found at three libraries in the world(?), one of which being the U.S. Library of Congress. Anyone care to pick up a copy for review? ;-)
- I only found one location where a poem of his was published. (It was apparently in a free newspaper, Carnegie, published in Vancouver.)
- Justin W Smith talk/stalk 02:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Strong delete I think Justin's comments above are incredibly strong proof that there is no notability. His works are self published or not published by notable publishers, there are no Gnews hits, and the existing sources are minimal. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 03:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
WeakDelete - I did my own check on all of the references used in the article. Many of them are duplicates. One narrative from the subject is used as a reference several times. News references to his art exhibit are also used a few times (not enough to established notability in my opinion). I used Google Translate to translate 3 (123 of the 4 articles not in English (Polish, I think) to get as much of an idea as I could to their contents. The articles seem to only mention the subject if mentioning him at all. The only reason I say this is a "weak delete" instead of a "delete" is because of the Grand Owl award. The reference given is a scan of an article which I cannot translate to verify the award (although I can see that his name is used in the first sentence). Even so, I don't feel, from my research, that the award is significant enough to establish notability. If someone could prove that the award is significant to establish notability, I may change my mind (give me proof, not your opinion unless you're an expert on such awards). The award of excellence is most certainly not significant enough for inclusion, in my opinion. OlYellerTalktome 03:13, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Note - The Grand Owl, being a student award, is presumably given to students. As he hasn't been a student since at least the early 80s, I find it odd that an article wasn't written about it until 2009. This leads me to believe that the award is not significant enough to establish notability. OlYellerTalktome 03:20, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Note
From what I can tell, the Grand Owl Award is an award offered at the Fantasy Worldwide Film Festival. Since this festival's website appears to no longer exist, it's difficult to determine what it may be awarded for.Ok, this must be a different "Grand Owl" award. (03:56, 26 April 2010 (UTC))Justin W Smith talk/stalk 03:24, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Yikes. So apparently their official website is a MySpace page now. I retract my "weak delete" !vote and replace it with "Delete". I don't see the Grand Owl award could possibly be significant enough to establish notability.OlYellerTalktome 03:30, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
From the myspace page, it appears that 2007 was the last year the festival was active. The page mentions awards from 2005 and 2006, but nothing about a "Grand Owl".Justin W Smith talk/stalk 03:37, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- It was a "student poetry award sponsored by the Jagiellonian University", according to the article. TFD (talk) 03:41, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- This search makes doesn't help the cause of substantiality either. I'm still searching but finding nothing but mentions of the Grand Owl with Tylman. Mostly self published or uses Tylman as a reference for the award. I retract my last comment but keep the Delete !vote. I'm still searching and finding nothing. OlYellerTalktome 04:03, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Delete lack of coverage in any major sources indicates he probably isn't notable per WP:N regardless of any claims to awards. --Jayron32 03:47, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - last time I "voted" delete based on a quick glance. The information above seems to confirm what I saw: insufficient Wikipedia-level notability. (John User:Jwy talk) 04:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Delete I checked the Proquest newspaper archive and the only two mentions were announcements of readings. Google Books doesn't bring up anything significant either. Will Beback talk 07:10, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. I went for keep last time to avoid the distraction from the Arbitration case, but it's clear that he doesn't meet our notability requirements. Stifle (talk) 08:27, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per Justin W Smith. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:37, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
Note left on the talk page - in a nutshell, this AfD would benefit if only editors not involved in the AfD case or with the subject and main author of the article will comment here, to avoid the battles of the last AfD and to allow for a consensus. Pantherskin (talk) 10:57, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
- Delete Permit me to quote what Anti-Nationalist said at the deletion review [1]
- We can rule out notability for Tylman as a painter. True, he was selected to represent his hometown in 1981 at a competition of promising young Polish artists. But there is nothing to tell us that Tylman was recognized as the best artist of those selected for being represented at the exhibition. Nor did he win any award. Outside the brief news notice for the exhibition as a whole (and the existence of its catalogue), there is no evidence of any individual notability.
- We can easily see the absence of notability for Tylman as an airbrush illustrator: the "sources" for his works are the commercial works that have appeared in magazines. This does not meet notability, since airbrush illustrators who work on ads in magazines are not therefore inherently Wikipedia-notable. A team of illustrators that he was part of did win a Graphex Award in Canada (1991), but this is not evidence of individual notability, since Tylman himself was not named as an individual artist. The source for this is Tylman's own site.
- As regards Tylman's crative endeavors as a poet, it's already been explained in the AFD nominations that these works of poetry are entirely self-published. Significantly, there are no critical reviews or commentary, so notability as an author/poet is non-existent. Tylman's Grand Owl award–the only individual prize mentioned for any endeavor at all–is a student-level prize given by Jagellonian University.
As was already explained previously in the nominations, the Anglophone Tylman poetry collections published by "Aspidistra Press" are in fact works produced by a vanity press (Tylman is the only published author for Aspidistra).
The Polish-language poetry also appears to be as non-notable: the only interesting thing from Koty marcowe was the poem "O próbie wysadzenia pomnika Lenina" (An Attempt at Blowing Up the Statue of Lenin), which was included amidst the photographs in photo anthology Nowa Huta: Okruchy zycia I Meandry Historii by photographer Jerzy Aleksander Karnasiewicz. The work is published by a non-commerical printer–the little "Wydawnictwo Towarzystwo Słowaków w Polsce" ("The Association of Slovaks in Poland"). There are no critical reviews.
Tylman's article gives us two interviews connected to "O próbie wysadzenia pomnika Lenina". The first is an interview with Jerzy Karnasiewicz (not Richard Tylman) in a local Nowa Huta] supplement to the Krakow-based Gazeta Krakowska (there, Karnasiewicz simply mention's Tylman's identity as the author of the poem in the book).
The other is an interview with Richard Tylman in Głos – Tygodnik Nowohucki by Małgorzata Szymczyk-Karnasiewicz. Given that Małgorzata's last name is Szymczyk-Karnasiewicz and the author of the photo anthology in which Tylman's poem is to be found is Jerzy Karnasiewicz, this seem to have a deep WP:COI... Even if we are to assume no COI, though, Głos – Tygodnik Nowohucki, where Tylman's interview appears, is just a small local publication in Nowa Huta (its English-language Wikipedia article was made by Richard Tylman (Poeticbent) after the third time that Richard Tylman was nominated for deletion; its Polish-language Wiki article was created by Tylman's WP:EEML buddy Piotrus. ([2] [3])
Well, then – my rationale – and so far so good. What, then, do the Wikipedia biographical guidelines tell us?
- For WP:ANYBIO (or Any biography):
1. The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for one.
No notability per WP:ANYBIO, it seems to me. The only individual award won by Tylman was the Grand Owl, a student-level award from Jagellonian University.2. The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field.
- For WP:ARTIST/WP:AUTHOR (or any "creative professional"):
1. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by their peers or successors.
2. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique.
3. The person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews.
4. The person's work either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or had works in many significant libraries.
There is no evidence (or even suggestion) to be found that Tylman either5. See Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for guidelines on academics - not applicable to Tylman
1) is an "important figure" or is widely cited by his peers;
2) is known for originating a significant new concept, theory or technique;
or3) has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or review;
Accordingly, I do not see the basis for anything other than a deletion. Tylman is simply non-notable. Anti-Nationalist (talk) 11:53, 19 January 2010 (UTC)" I agree entirely with all of this. Varsovian (talk) 11:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)4) has created work that (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums, or is to be found in many significant libraries.
- Keep I can't believe the article is nominated - yet again, it's starting to get a bit ridiculous. Also if somebody could please tell Varsovian to avoid copying walls of text from previous discussions, he can simply link to it. Otherwise we can all start copying lots of text from previous AfDs... Dr. Loosmark 11:39, 26 April 2010 (UTC)