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*:::I have used various search terms, but as KoA points out, if it is a decent source, it is almost certainly going to mention the term "pesticide action network" somewhere within it. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 09:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC) |
*:::I have used various search terms, but as KoA points out, if it is a decent source, it is almost certainly going to mention the term "pesticide action network" somewhere within it. [[User:Smartse|SmartSE]] ([[User talk:Smartse|talk]]) 09:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Strong keep''' – Pesticide Action Network has been among the most influential and most active NGOs in the area of chemical safety and international chemicals/pesticide management. During more than a decade, it has e.g. contributed significantly to negotiations under [[SAICM]] and the [[Rotterdam Convention]] as well as to the Code of Conduct.<sup>[https://wedocs.unep.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.11822/40352/Pesticides_Ch3.pdf][https://enb.iisd.org/events/2019-meetings-conferences-parties-basel-rotterdam-and-stockholm-conventions/daily-report-8][https://www.saicm.org/Beyond2020/IntersessionalProcess/Stakeholdersinputs/tabid/6098/][https://www.undrr.org/understanding-disaster-risk/terminology/hips/ch0008]</sup> Its European subsection (PAN Europe) is an accredited stakeholder to the [[European Chemicals Agency]] (ECHA) and to the [[European Food Safety Authority]] (EFSA).<sup>[https://echa.europa.eu/about-us/partners-and-networks/stakeholders/echas-accredited-stakeholder-organisations][https://www.efsa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/stakeholders-registered-list.pdf]</sup> PAN Europe even currently holds the seat on the EFSA Stakeholder Bureau representing "NGOs and Advocacy Groups".<sup>[https://www.efsa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/2022-12/List-of-Bureau-Members-And-Alternate-Members.pdf]</sup> [[CropLife International]], PAN’s long-term opponent from industry side, lists the Pesticide Action Network in the same breath as the [[World Bank]], the United Nations [[Food and Agriculture Organization]], the [[African Union]] and [[WWF]].<sup>[https://croplife.org/wp-content/uploads/pdf_files/Managing-Obsolete-Stocks-of-Crop-Protection-Products.pdf]</sup> --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 20:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC) |
* '''Strong keep''' – Pesticide Action Network has been among the most influential and most active NGOs in the area of chemical safety and international chemicals/pesticide management. During more than a decade, it has e.g. contributed significantly to negotiations under [[SAICM]] and the [[Rotterdam Convention]] as well as to the Code of Conduct.<sup>[https://wedocs.unep.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.11822/40352/Pesticides_Ch3.pdf][https://enb.iisd.org/events/2019-meetings-conferences-parties-basel-rotterdam-and-stockholm-conventions/daily-report-8][https://www.saicm.org/Beyond2020/IntersessionalProcess/Stakeholdersinputs/tabid/6098/][https://www.undrr.org/understanding-disaster-risk/terminology/hips/ch0008]</sup> Its European subsection (PAN Europe) is an accredited stakeholder to the [[European Chemicals Agency]] (ECHA) and to the [[European Food Safety Authority]] (EFSA).<sup>[https://echa.europa.eu/about-us/partners-and-networks/stakeholders/echas-accredited-stakeholder-organisations][https://www.efsa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/stakeholders-registered-list.pdf]</sup> PAN Europe even currently holds the seat on the EFSA Stakeholder Bureau representing "NGOs and Advocacy Groups".<sup>[https://www.efsa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/2022-12/List-of-Bureau-Members-And-Alternate-Members.pdf]</sup> [[CropLife International]], PAN’s long-term opponent from industry side, lists the Pesticide Action Network in the same breath as the [[World Bank]], the United Nations [[Food and Agriculture Organization]], the [[African Union]] and [[WWF]].<sup>[https://croplife.org/wp-content/uploads/pdf_files/Managing-Obsolete-Stocks-of-Crop-Protection-Products.pdf]</sup> --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 20:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Comment''' on the two users who voted for deletion of this article: Smartse states on their user page “This editor is an exclusionist.” KoA has removed valid content from this article in edit warring mode.<sup>e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pesticide_Action_Network&diff=prev&oldid=1158565491][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pesticide_Action_Network&diff=prev&oldid=1167431727] --[[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 21:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC) |
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This fringe organization fails both the Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies) as well as the Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline. Having a lot of Google hits is not going to turn the tide either. In fact, there are hardly no independent and reliable sources that actually describe the activities and achievements of this organisation. 62.183.185.10 (talk, c) 15:42, 27 September 2023 (UTC) — 62.183.185.10 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Environment, and Malaysia. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 22:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Though I don't even recall creating this article, it seems like a real org and has been fleshed out a bit. Sure, it's fairly obscure, with not much recent action. This deletion request by a new/semi-naive ISP seems suspicious, too. Dicklyon (talk) 03:18, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- If it's a question of socks, I'm not aware of any banned users in the topic who would be apt to show up trying to delete this article, especially out of Finland. Most of those banned would be on the same side as this group's POV. It looks more like an IP that's been watching in the background and noticed the conversation I mentioned below about a possible nomination. KoA (talk) 00:39, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. Just mentioning that those of us who edit the page recently discussed the potential for deletion at Talk:Pesticide_Action_Network#Notability where the idea of a nomination wasn't unreasonable at all with what we were dealing with at the time. I can work on formally summarizing things later. KoA (talk) 00:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- I guess by “Those of us who edit the page” you mean just you? I don’t think anyone else agreed. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:47, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Obvious Keep would second @Dicklyon’s concerns. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 13:42, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:NORG is the prevailing guideline here, not merely that an org exists. As discussed on the article talk page, independent sourcing is extremely sparse on in-depth coverage that would satisfy org notability, especially compared to other advocacy groups in this realm. In most cases, it's just a namedrop or passing mention rather than in-depth coverage focused on the group itself. That or maybe just being part of an indiscriminate database entry. If you do a google search excluding PAN websites, you get this, which largely just gives social media and other non-independent sources. You have to work pretty hard to even find sources that just namedrop the org. You will sometimes see this group mentioned internally within other advocacy groups about their denial of the scientific consensus on GMOs[3] or joining in on court cases/regulatory petitions, but that's about it. PAN doesn't get focus other than being a name listed sometimes, even in WP:PARITY sources in that realm. KoA (talk) 16:34, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- I forgot to mention that there could also be a WP:NFRINGE angle with this group, especially when it comes to GMOs. That said, I couldn't find any sufficient sources to really make the case for notability there either. You might find profiles in sources we don't even use in cases of WP:PARITY like the Genetic Literacy Project[4], but the more I look at this group, it appears to have even less independent coverage that that GLP link that lost its article status due to similar notability concerns. KoA (talk) 16:43, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Delete I spent quite a while in June searching for sources but couldn't find anything that provides in-depth, independent coverage. I've looked again today and still not been able to find any suitable sources. Things that I have found are e.g. this(access this and the others via WP:TWL) which is in-depth but published by the organisation so not independent. Other than that it is just many small mentions in reliable sources, mainly (presumably) originating from their press releases e.g. [5] or mentions the organisation in passing e.g. [6]. It is somewhat surprising that no better sources exist, but unless someone is able to come up with at least two sources providing in-depth, independent coverage, WP:ORG is not met. Neither Dicklyon or Gtoffoletto have addressed this. Who created the AFD is irrelevant (unless evading blocks). SmartSE (talk) 20:30, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Remember PAN is a decentralised organisation. It does not exist as a central entity but as many local "chapters". Were you searching for sources referring to PANNA or PAN Europe etc.? I do not have time to do so now but will try later if I can. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 17:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- The name Pesticide Action Network would still show up in in-depth sources if the group was notable regardless of being de-centralized or not. That doesn't change the search terms, it just means you'd exclude each regional PAN website to focus on independent sources using the overarching name. KoA (talk) 22:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Remember PAN is a decentralised organisation. It does not exist as a central entity but as many local "chapters". Were you searching for sources referring to PANNA or PAN Europe etc.? I do not have time to do so now but will try later if I can. {{u|Gtoffoletto}} talk 17:48, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Strong keep – Pesticide Action Network has been among the most influential and most active NGOs in the area of chemical safety and international chemicals/pesticide management. During more than a decade, it has e.g. contributed significantly to negotiations under SAICM and the Rotterdam Convention as well as to the Code of Conduct.[7][8][9][10] Its European subsection (PAN Europe) is an accredited stakeholder to the European Chemicals Agency (ECHA) and to the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA).[11][12] PAN Europe even currently holds the seat on the EFSA Stakeholder Bureau representing "NGOs and Advocacy Groups".[13] CropLife International, PAN’s long-term opponent from industry side, lists the Pesticide Action Network in the same breath as the World Bank, the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, the African Union and WWF.[14] --Leyo 20:49, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
- Comment on the two users who voted for deletion of this article: Smartse states on their user page “This editor is an exclusionist.” KoA has removed valid content from this article in edit warring mode.e.g. [15][16] --Leyo 21:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)