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The result was '''Delete'''. '''[[User:Jj137|<font color="green">jj137</font>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Jj137|♠]]</sup> 03:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC) |
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Every fictional character has a sidekick, say for example - if this was to be complete this list will become overcrowded otherwise too indiscriminative. I recommend this to be '''speedy deleted'''. [[User:Knock-Off Nigel|Knock-Off Nigel]] ([[User talk:Knock-Off Nigel|talk]]) 19:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC) |
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One of the indiscrimative lists of loosely related topics, fails [[WP:NOT#INFO]], anyways what indicates a "sidekick", survived a prior AFD because the user didn't give a reason for deletion '''Delete''' [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 00:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per nom, this is clearly an indiscriminate list of loosely associated topics, not to mention that "sidekicks" is original research. [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green">Ten Pound Hammer</span>]] and his otters • <sup>([[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Broken clamshells]]•[[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Otter chirps]])</sup> 00:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. This is non-encyclopedic content—just a list, and it's unreferenced to boot.—[[User:Mumia-w-18|Mumia-w-18]] ([[User talk:Mumia-w-18|talk]]) 00:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''<s>Weak</s> delete''' Although this could be vaguely construed as a valid topic for an article, it really does seem like something that would either be more appropriate for a category, or just not on Wikipedia at all. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 01:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:*'''Comment''' After rereading the previous AfD, I noticed that someone mentioned that there is a {{lc|Fictional sidekicks}}. Although this article is a little broader in topic (how many ''real'' sidekicks have there been?) I think this is sufficient enough to justify changing my vote to a regular '''delete'''. --[[User:NickPenguin|<font color="darkgreen">Nick</font>]][[User talk:NickPenguin|<font color="darkblue">Penguin</font>]]<sub>([[Special:Contributions/NickPenguin|<font color="blue">'''contribs'''</font>]])</sub> 16:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. Potentially interesting, but unencyclopedic nevertheless. '''<span style="color:red">Happy Holidays!!</span>''' <strong class="plainlinks">[[User:Malinaccier|Malinaccier]] ([[User talk:Malinaccier|talk]])</strong> 01:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' Potentially interesting... but still uninteresting. I got kidesick at the number of times I saw the word "sidekick" to describe each entry. In this case, it's kind of like someone's recurring description of the friend of the person with top billing. I wouldn't be surprised to see "Simon Peter: sidekick to Jesus" [[User:Mandsford|Mandsford]] ([[User talk:Mandsford|talk]]) 02:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per '''TenPoundHammer'''. [[User:JJL|JJL]] ([[User talk:JJL|talk]]) 02:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*This is a potentially useful list -- and its certainly not "loosely related" to have a similar narrative role in different stories -- but to be usable, it needs to have each entry in the list sourced to someone's analysis that the character is a sidekick. I'm on the fence as to whether it's best to try to clean up the list as it is or wipe the wall without prejudice for recreation one [[WP:V|sourced]] brick at a time. '''Weak keep''' —[[User:Quasirandom|Quasirandom]] ([[User talk:Quasirandom|talk]]) 03:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' The scope of this list does seem to be incredibly broad. First off, it does little to define what it means by "sidekick", a word which can be vague and unclear. In addition, it does not even restrict itself to one form of fiction or media, spreading out into all areas instead. As such, this list has the logical potential to include any character who is in some way an assistant or companion to any fictional hero or protagonist. Even more so, the list does not even draw the line at fiction, extending to history as well, which would mean that this list stands to include any person, real or fictional, who has played the role of an assistant to someone else, which really isn't a list at all. There you have it, there are three points at which this list breaks up into different directions, to the point where it no longer covers one specific, narrow subject. As such, it should be deleted, unless all of these points of divergence could be eliminated, at which point it would be an entirely different list altogether. [[User:Calgary|Calgary]] ([[User talk:Calgary|talk]]) 04:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per nomination and the comments from '''TenPoundHammer''' and '''Calgary'''. [[User:Mh29255|Mh29255]] ([[User talk:Mh29255|talk]]) 04:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Weak delete''' per [[WP:NOT#IINFO]] and the subjectivity of the concept of the 'sidekick'.-'''[[User:HisSpaceResearch|h i s]]''' <sup>''[[User talk:HisSpaceResearch|s p a c e]]''</sup> <sub>'''[[Special:Contributions/HisSpaceResearch|r e s e a r c h]]'''</sub> 16:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' Unsalvageable list cruft--'''[[User:Phoenix-wiki|Phoenix-wiki]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Phoenix-wiki|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Phoenix-wiki|contribs]]</sup> 18:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per [[User:TenPoundHammer|TenPoundHammer]]. [[User:R'n'B|Russ]] [[User talk:R'n'B|(talk)]] 18:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' No serious prospect of this ever being completed, and a permanently incomplete list is just an [[Wikipedia:NOT#INFO|indiscriminate collection of information]]. [[User:Moyabrit|Moyabrit]] ([[User talk:Moyabrit|talk]]) 19:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' per nom. I think it would be better to improve the [[sidekick|main article]] rather than maintain this one. --[[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 21:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' per organization, notability, and verifiability. Best, --<font face="Times New Roman">[[User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|<span style="color:#009">Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|Tally-ho!]]''</sup> 18:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC) |
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** Can you explain [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 20:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC) |
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***Of course. Organization: organized alphabetically and contains a contents on top. Notability: sidekicks are frequently used as a major plot device in a variety of media and as a reference guide, we provide such material as a reference. Verifiability: obviously sources exist for the items on this list and so we just need to add sources, rather than destroy the article. Best, --<font face="Times New Roman">[[User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|<span style="color:#009">Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|Tally-ho!]]''</sup> 21:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC) |
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** Organization isn't a reason for keeping anything, and sources exist for everything, that doesn't mean it should have an article [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 13:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. This fails [[WP:NOT#INFO]]. Source it all you want, that's not the biggest issue here. You can source just about anything, that doesn't instantly mean it saves the article from deletion. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] ([[User talk:RobJ1981|talk]]) 21:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' This page is unique on the Web and is very useful. --[[User:The Cunctator|The Cunctator]] ([[User talk:The Cunctator|talk]]) 01:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC) |
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** [[WP:USEFUL]] [[User:Secret|Secret]] <sup>[[User talk:Secret|account]]</sup> 13:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' as above, this is a list of loosely associated trivia. [[User:(jarbarf)|(jarbarf)]] ([[User talk:(jarbarf)|talk]]) 00:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC) |
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List of sidekicks
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Every fictional character has a sidekick, say for example - if this was to be complete this list will become overcrowded otherwise too indiscriminative. I recommend this to be speedy deleted. Knock-Off Nigel (talk) 19:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)