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*****Thousands or millions of fans of the expanded universe may be familiar with these characters. Sincerely, --<font face="Times New Roman">[[User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|<span style="color:#009">Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|Tally-ho!]]''</sup> 15:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC) |
*****Thousands or millions of fans of the expanded universe may be familiar with these characters. Sincerely, --<font face="Times New Roman">[[User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|<span style="color:#009">Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles</span>]]</font><sup>''[[User talk:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles|Tally-ho!]]''</sup> 15:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC) |
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******While thousands or millions of fans may very well be somewhat familiar with the expanded universe, it doesn't mean that they are with ''these'' characters. Wookiepedia is pretty good with listing every minor detail for interested readers, but that doesn't mean that wikipedia should lower its notability barrier just because the SW universe is so vast. – [[User:Sgeureka|sgeureka]] <sup>[[User_talk:Sgeureka|t]]•c</sup> 15:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC) |
******While thousands or millions of fans may very well be somewhat familiar with the expanded universe, it doesn't mean that they are with ''these'' characters. Wookiepedia is pretty good with listing every minor detail for interested readers, but that doesn't mean that wikipedia should lower its notability barrier just because the SW universe is so vast. – [[User:Sgeureka|sgeureka]] <sup>[[User_talk:Sgeureka|t]]•c</sup> 15:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC) |
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:'''Note to closing admin'''. Consensus can change, but Le Grand refuses to accept this. Anything in a second nomination, he uses the excuse of "it was kept before". [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] 16:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete All''' as this article fails [[WP:V]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:FICT]] and [[WP:NOT#PLOT]]. Because there are no primary sources, I cannot see any justification for keeping, otherwise what is the point of having WP guidelines? Improvement seems to be the strongest argument put forward so far, but I would recomend deletion and starting from scratch with an article that cites its primary sources, rather than copying and pasting from Wookipedia, as appears to have been the case here.--[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] 15:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete All''' as this article fails [[WP:V]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:FICT]] and [[WP:NOT#PLOT]]. Because there are no primary sources, I cannot see any justification for keeping, otherwise what is the point of having WP guidelines? Improvement seems to be the strongest argument put forward so far, but I would recomend deletion and starting from scratch with an article that cites its primary sources, rather than copying and pasting from Wookipedia, as appears to have been the case here.--[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] 15:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC) |
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List of minor Star Wars Sith characters
AfDs for this article:
- List of minor Star Wars Sith characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
Also nominating the following related articles:
- List of minor Star Wars Jedi masters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of minor Star Wars Jedi apprentices (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
These articles are plot summaries (WP:NOT#PLOT) with no real world context. They don't meet notability requirements for fiction (WP:FICT) and there's nothing here to suggest that they ever can. There has been no improvement in any of these articles since the last AfD. Miremare 19:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep All Not notable enough for their own articles but the list itself is fine. Characters from one book appear or are referred to in other books. Hammer1980·talk 20:16, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- Why do you think they are "fine"? Didn't you read the nomination? Miremare 01:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete all. Minor characters are not notable enough for mention anywhere but in the plot summaries (and then only if they do something of significance to the plot). All of these minor character lists fail WP:FICT and are excessive fancruft. Belongs on a Star Wars wiki or on a fan site, but not in an encyclopedia. Collectonian 21:05, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep All Just because they haven't been improved doesn't mean they cannot be improved. There is no deadline for improvement. Rray 00:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- The fact that they fail basic notability requirements is the reason for nomination, not that they haven't been improved. That they haven't been improved, despite narrowly surviving an AfD, just illustrates how unlikely it is to happen at all. Miremare 01:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I disagree that it's unlikely that these will be improved, and I also disagree that these fail basic notability requirements. Rray 03:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- The fact that they fail basic notability requirements is the reason for nomination, not that they haven't been improved. That they haven't been improved, despite narrowly surviving an AfD, just illustrates how unlikely it is to happen at all. Miremare 01:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Merge/Transwiki/Delete (in that order, whatever works best). Comic and video game characters have a hard time establishing notability, and I fear a list of minor such characters have even less a chance. Sufficient time has been given, and the article could not build on the trust it has been given in previous AfD. The article should not exist as such any longer (though the information may find a new home somewhere else). – sgeureka t•c 10:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction & Fantasy-related deletions. --Gavin Collins 11:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep All: The articles are large enough as they are, merging would make that worse. Mdmkolbe 16:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete all articles fail WP:Plot, WP:WAF, and WP:Fict, Wikipedia is not a star wars wiki.Ridernyc 22:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
- Keep as we just had a discussion in October, the list is discriminate, and it covers a notable subject. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 14:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Could you tell us why these minor characters are notable per Wikipedia's definition of the word? As for the previous AfD, repeat nominations happen. The article's faults were not, and have not since, been addressed. Miremare 14:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- They are characters from perhaps the most successful science fiction franchise in history that includes games, movies, comics, toys, etc. Many don't like nomination too closely together. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 14:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Right, but while everyone has heard of Han Solo, the characters listed here are widely unknown and still don't establish notability (and probably can't) even as a group. – sgeureka t•c 15:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thousands or millions of fans of the expanded universe may be familiar with these characters. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 15:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- While thousands or millions of fans may very well be somewhat familiar with the expanded universe, it doesn't mean that they are with these characters. Wookiepedia is pretty good with listing every minor detail for interested readers, but that doesn't mean that wikipedia should lower its notability barrier just because the SW universe is so vast. – sgeureka t•c 15:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Thousands or millions of fans of the expanded universe may be familiar with these characters. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 15:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Right, but while everyone has heard of Han Solo, the characters listed here are widely unknown and still don't establish notability (and probably can't) even as a group. – sgeureka t•c 15:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- They are characters from perhaps the most successful science fiction franchise in history that includes games, movies, comics, toys, etc. Many don't like nomination too closely together. Best, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 14:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Could you tell us why these minor characters are notable per Wikipedia's definition of the word? As for the previous AfD, repeat nominations happen. The article's faults were not, and have not since, been addressed. Miremare 14:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Note to closing admin. Consensus can change, but Le Grand refuses to accept this. Anything in a second nomination, he uses the excuse of "it was kept before". RobJ1981 16:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
- Delete All as this article fails WP:V, WP:RS, WP:FICT and WP:NOT#PLOT. Because there are no primary sources, I cannot see any justification for keeping, otherwise what is the point of having WP guidelines? Improvement seems to be the strongest argument put forward so far, but I would recomend deletion and starting from scratch with an article that cites its primary sources, rather than copying and pasting from Wookipedia, as appears to have been the case here.--Gavin Collins 15:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)