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*'''Keep''' Per Nick Graves. [[User:KnowitallWiki|Knowitall]] 11:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. Neither the subject being listed nor the majority of the contents are notable enough to have their own (non-list) article and I don't see that listing them serves any purpose. The same goes for [[List of ethnic slurs]] and several other related pages. [[User:Cosmo0|Cosmo0]] 21:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete'''. Neither the subject being listed nor the majority of the contents are notable enough to have their own (non-list) article and I don't see that listing them serves any purpose. The same goes for [[List of ethnic slurs]] and several other related pages. [[User:Cosmo0|Cosmo0]] 21:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. Too much hate--[[User:Angel David|Angel David]] 22:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC) |
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List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity
- List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
Honestly, why does this page even exist? It is an OBVIOUS target for vandalism, hatred, and dishonest edits, and does nothing but hold a list of ammunition for hate speech. Jmlk17 22:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete Completely agreed. This page serves no purpose on Wikipedia except to be vandalized and used as an outlet for hate speech and stereotypes. GlassCobra (Review) 22:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete This page is a very easy target for vandalism. Thanks, Codelyoko193 Talk Contributions 22:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- keep and delete George Bush and vagina instead, which have long been traditional targets for massive and persistent vandalism for good. On a serious note, wikipedia spends enormous amount of articles about hate speech and stereotypes. To ignore them is being like ostrich withe head in sand. As long as hate speech exists the best way to combat it is to understand it. The page is watched by people who don't allow vandalism here. `'Míkka 22:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete: Despite the reasons above (all pages are targets of vandalism), this is a pointless, and unencyclopedic list. - Rjd0060 22:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep: this page looks maintained and collects quite useful information, at least for non-native English speakers. Pavel Vozenilek 22:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep There is absolutely no justification for avoiding the topic of hate speech simply because it may attract vandalism. All articles on controversial topics attract vandalism. And deleting simply out of the fear of giving offense would be its own form of POV by proxy. Dybryd 22:55, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: How is the topic being avoided? Have you seen Hate speech? IMO, I don't think people are going to come to Wikipedia (which is still an encyclopedia at my last check) seeking a list of ethnic slurs. - Rjd0060 22:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- No need to be ironic here. You are entitled to what you think, but I hope after this vote is closed you will understand that it is very difficult to think correctly about what the rest of billions of people want. `'Míkka 23:29, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, I think such an article could be very useful for researchers looking for the cultural and historical context of various slurs. Dybryd 23:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well if these are considered "hate speech" why not merge to Hate speech? - Rjd0060 23:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know that they are all "hate speech" -- that phrase is a modern one, often with specific legal definitions which the listed slurs may or may not qualify for. And simply in practical terms, merging a long list into another long article makes the information harder to find and navigate -- related subtopics are split into different articles for a reason.
- Well if these are considered "hate speech" why not merge to Hate speech? - Rjd0060 23:07, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- A personal note -- just from scanning the article, I was very interested to learn that "gook" was derived from the Korean language by American GIs and then transferred to the Vietnamese in America's next Asian war. This sort of specific information would be much harder to find in a non-list format.
- Dybryd 23:14, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Also, these articles already exist:
- List of ethnic slurs, List of ethnic group names used as insults, List of regional nicknames, List of religious slurs.
- Aren't these sufficient? - Rjd0060 23:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- All of them are different. I created them during the cleaning of the original List of ethnic slurs, which was a true pile of garbage at these times. Now they are maintained, duly referenced lists. `'Míkka 23:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- What the...? What was your justification for creating so many separate similar lists? If I was looking for information I would have no clue from those titles what the difference between them was.
- If you don't know the difference between regional nickname and religious insult, a good way to start looking for what you want is to read both of them. The majority of the terms have their own articles, so if you are looking for a "hillbilly", you will find it regardless these lists. `'Míkka 00:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Without further explanation of how these serve different purposes in a way that can be made clear to readers in their titles, I would certainly support a merge of these. (Note: On closer examination, it's really only the first two that seem to overlap the one nominated here).
- Dybryd 23:43, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- "Without further explanation of how these serve": you must be kidding. Did you read these articles? If yes, please explain what exaclthy wwas unclear for you in descriptions of their purposes? `'Míkka 00:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- What the...? What was your justification for creating so many separate similar lists? If I was looking for information I would have no clue from those titles what the difference between them was.
- All of them are different. I created them during the cleaning of the original List of ethnic slurs, which was a true pile of garbage at these times. Now they are maintained, duly referenced lists. `'Míkka 23:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Aren't these sufficient? - Rjd0060 23:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. This is a legitimate encyclopedic list although it could use some better references. Meets the criteria in WP:LIST for structured lists providing information through the virtue of organization. --Dhartung | Talk 23:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep, per Mikkalai. --Irpen 23:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't like it either but it satisfies WP:LIST. If it is repeatedly vandalized, then request for protection. If established editors fix it dishonestly, you can revert it back (with discussion in the talk page).--Lenticel (talk) 01:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Informative, well-sourced list. The fact that an article is a likely target for vandalism is not a valid criterion for deletion. If it were, we could never have articles on abortion, atheism, gun control, Muhammad, H.R. Clinton or anything else that is controversial or about which people have strong opinions. Whether terms in the article could be used as ammunition for hate speech is irrelevant to whether it should be kept. Wikipedia is not a parent or a babysitter. Nick Graves 04:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Per above. • Lawrence Cohen 06:07, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. I disagree with the nominator's reasons, but this should be transwiki'd to Wiktionary where properly referenced, then deleted in line with WP:NOT#DICDEF.--Michig 08:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- But what would a dicdef for "Gook" look like? It would be two words: "Asian, pejor." There's a great deal more to be said. Look at High yellow (which should perhaps be added to this list) for a good beginning at the kind of article that could usefully be built off all the entries in such a list. Dybryd 21:28, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Per Nick Graves. Knowitall 11:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Neither the subject being listed nor the majority of the contents are notable enough to have their own (non-list) article and I don't see that listing them serves any purpose. The same goes for List of ethnic slurs and several other related pages. Cosmo0 21:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Too much hate--Angel David 22:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)