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:There is enough adequately sourced material in the article to warrant a list. Any non-referenced names can be cite-tagged, and if no cite is provided they can be culled.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 06:36, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
:There is enough adequately sourced material in the article to warrant a list. Any non-referenced names can be cite-tagged, and if no cite is provided they can be culled.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 06:36, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' per Starblueheather's sources: the topic is clearly notable. No objection to cleanup, but AfD is not for cleanup. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 05:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' per Starblueheather's sources: the topic is clearly notable. No objection to cleanup, but AfD is not for cleanup. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 05:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' per Starblueheather's sources. It is informative, although I agree it need a cleanup. [[User:JackJud|JackJud]] ([[User talk:JackJud|talk]]) 09:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
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List of Jewish American cartoonists
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First, I want everyone to know that I acknowledge Jewish American as an ethnic group in addition to a religious group. Secondly, this list has remained inadequately sourced for three years now, and appears to be of no interest or use to anyone. Special:WhatLinksHere/List of Jewish American cartoonists. Lastly the list is actually an egregious violation of WP:EGRS, which states "Inclusion must be specifically relevant to at least one of the subject's notable activities and an essential part of that activity, but is not required to be an exclusive interest. Moreover, inclusion is not transitive to any other activity." There is no supplied reliable reference to indicate why being Jewish and being a cartoonist is not an irrelevant intersection. Lastly, for anyone who will argue that lists have different criteria than categories. A list's existence needs to be substantiated by something. Is it possible to write the article Jewish American cartoonists? If so, somebody write it, provide reliable sources, and we're all good. If not, Delete. Bulldog123 21:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- Delete unless completely sourced in a manner compatible with WP:BLP (i.e. self-identification). Yworo (talk) 21:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:04, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Keep Between Disguised as Clark Kent: Jews, Comics, and the Creation of the Superhero and From Krakow to Krypton: Jews and Comic Books and Jews and American Comics: An Illustrated History of an American Art Form and Up, Up, and Oy Vey: How Jewish History, Culture, and Values Shaped The Comic Book Superhero I don't see any trouble creating a well-sourced article or list on this topic. Thanks, Starblueheather (talk) 00:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Then? Write the article and source the list and we'll be good. Because, you see, every topic of essayist's interest deserves an article on wikipedia, regardless of how obscure and irrelevant. So, as you seem to have provided enough secondary sources -- I see no reason why you won't create the article stub now. The fact of the matter is this list has been around for three years and not a single person cares about it. Unsourced ethnicity lists cannot exist on wikipedia per policy. Bulldog123 19:24, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Relax. Thanks, Starblueheather (talk) 19:32, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Just saying not everything worthy of a book is worthy of an encyclopedia. We'd have to first actually read those books to understand the point they're trying to make... and if it's WP:FRINGEy or not. Bulldog123 01:59, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Relax. Thanks, Starblueheather (talk) 19:32, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- keep Informational.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
- Delete. While Bulldog123 is completely incorrect that this is an WP:EGRS violation (EGRS is clearly and only about adding categories to articles, nothing more), this article is nevertheless a non-notable intersection, inherent WP:NOR, WP:V, and WP:BLP violation. The sources Starblueheather has brought might well be great ones for an article on the relationship between Jewish culture and comic books, but they in no way justify a more-or-less random list like this. Jayjg (talk) 00:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I might be completely incorrect but WP:OCAT has been used as a guideline in AfD discussions for years now. Few have objected to that expanded interpretation of it. Bulldog123 01:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Keep. As the refs reflect, entire books have been devoted to this notable intersection.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- keep Many reliable sources talking specifically about the intersection, so is a notable intersection. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Delete At point in time, not adequately sourced (fails WP:V). Would be more viable if there were an independent article on the topic. Plot Spoiler (talk) 19:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- There is enough adequately sourced material in the article to warrant a list. Any non-referenced names can be cite-tagged, and if no cite is provided they can be culled.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:36, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Keep per Starblueheather's sources: the topic is clearly notable. No objection to cleanup, but AfD is not for cleanup. Jclemens (talk) 05:17, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
- Keep per Starblueheather's sources. It is informative, although I agree it need a cleanup. JackJud (talk) 09:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)