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:::What's funny is that, for example, [http://www.leparisien.fr/espace-premium/essonne-91/mondeville-et-le-candidat-fantome-27-02-2012-1879100.php this article], mentioned by the article's creator as a proof of Asselineau's notability, describes this politician as an unkwnown ! [[User:Jean-Jacques Georges|Jean-Jacques Georges]] ([[User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges|talk]]) 17:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC) |
:::What's funny is that, for example, [http://www.leparisien.fr/espace-premium/essonne-91/mondeville-et-le-candidat-fantome-27-02-2012-1879100.php this article], mentioned by the article's creator as a proof of Asselineau's notability, describes this politician as an unkwnown ! [[User:Jean-Jacques Georges|Jean-Jacques Georges]] ([[User talk:Jean-Jacques Georges|talk]]) 17:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Neutral''' Let's see if Mr Asselineau gets his 500 signatures before Friday. If not, I'll vote for deletion. [[User:Bouchecl|Bouchecl]] ([[User talk:Bouchecl|talk]]) 17:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC) |
*'''Neutral''' Let's see if Mr Asselineau gets his 500 signatures before Friday. If not, I'll vote for deletion. [[User:Bouchecl|Bouchecl]] ([[User talk:Bouchecl|talk]]) 17:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' per my detailed reasoning at the many previous AfDs and DRVs at which French users tried to get this article deleted on various spurious grounds. Also, while I'm doing the thing where you summarise your opinion using words in bold, I need to add '''surely not this AGAIN''' and '''this is not fr.wiki'''.—[[User:S Marshall|<font face="Verdana" color="Maroon">'''S Marshall'''</font>]] <small>[[User talk:S Marshall|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/S Marshall|C]]</small> 17:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC) |
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François Asselineau
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- François Asselineau (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
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Unknown to the French general public as a politician and as a civil servant. Please take note that his article has been deleted several times at the French wikipedia and is very likely to be deleted again. Take note that one of his few claims to fame is that he can't manage to have an article at the French wikipedia. This article mentions it and calls him a "totally unknown" politician. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 14:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Vanity page. Has not been covered by any major media, is just the subject of some kind of buzz by bloggers who support his candidacy. If he succeeds in being an candidate for the French presidency, things may change, but he probably won't (you need 500 signatures by mayors for that). Oh and please take note that his is not a "malicious" proposal : the French don't have any bias against FA because of his "bad reputation". Actually, he doesn't have a bad reputation, he has no reputation at all, except as someone who floods the internet trying (so far in vain) to promote himself and his party. He is only vaguely notable for not being notable and trying to be. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 14:49, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Note that, because you're the nominator, it is assumed you recommend Delete. Feel free to add to your rationale, but you don't need to restate the bolded Delete, and doing so can lead to confusion. FYI. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 15:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Comment. I fixed the AFD tag at the article, the formatting here, and moved the debate to the correct spot in sequence. This is the 4th nomination of this article. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 15:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, it was deleted once, and then recreated. What a mess ! On fr wiki, this article keeps being deleted, and recreated from time to time. Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 15:18, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Strong delete: Problem with the previous AfDs is that it is one thing to count the number of sources, and quite another to read or listen to them. Go through this interview (dated 23d February 2012!) on Radio Monte Carlo, for instance, and the 'tongue in cheek' questions put to François Asselineau, clearly implying that the interview is taking place only because the interviewer has been 'deluged' by e-mails from Asselineau's fan-club, and with the lead "I don't know you at all, Pierre Asselineau - sorry François Asselineau - nor your party, but maybe you have something to say, for you are a serious man, aren't you?"...
Indeed, François Asselineau is totally unknown to the general public, being described by Le Parisien as a "ghost candidate". But then, he is a master at creating buzz out of thin air, leading to empty articles or interviews.
Is that notable enough for en:WP? --Azurfrog (talk) 16:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keep I am kinda fed up of having to defend the validity of my article every month because French administrator can not live with an article on François Asselineau. Can we stop accepting the nomination for deletion? This is an obvious POV of this group.
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--Lawren00 (talk) 16:45, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Most of these "sources" are primary sources ; building an article with this is original research. Schlum (talk) 17:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Strong keep, oppose French Wikipedia control AGAIN? Are you serious? The previous two AfDs ended in Keep and now people from French Wikipedia are, yet again, trying to control English Wikipedia. We don't care what the status of his article is in French Wikipedia. It has NOTHING to do with our rules and policies here. The sources on this subject are quite clear and have been vetted time and again. French Wikipedia editors really, really need to stop doing this. SilverserenC 16:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- French sysops can live quite well with an article on François Asselineau here. But it just happens they are currently being harassed by supporters of François Asselineau, because of the deadline for the French presidential elections (deadline by March 20th, if I remember properly). And these supporters's best punch is to insist that there is an article dedicated on François Asselineau on the English WP. Without such blatant POV-pushing and daily harassment on fr:WP, no one would care, really.
- But, whether you like it or not, this article is being used by Asselineau as a major argument against the French Wikipedia, and a significant part of the vaporware is about how incredible it is that there should be an article about him only in English! I said 'harassment', and I mean 'harassment'... Who should be fed up?
- Now, notability on French Wikipedia requires that "medias of national or international standing" have published articles "dedicated to the subject of the article", on several years. Just because Asselineau has been invited (or has asked to be invited?) with other people to comment on current events, it does not mean he is notable himself.
- This is why the sheer number of articles where he may be mentioned is so wholly irrelevant to assess notability, at least on French WP. --Azurfrog (talk) 17:06, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- What's funny is that, for example, this article, mentioned by the article's creator as a proof of Asselineau's notability, describes this politician as an unkwnown ! Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 17:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Neutral Let's see if Mr Asselineau gets his 500 signatures before Friday. If not, I'll vote for deletion. Bouchecl (talk) 17:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keep per my detailed reasoning at the many previous AfDs and DRVs at which French users tried to get this article deleted on various spurious grounds. Also, while I'm doing the thing where you summarise your opinion using words in bold, I need to add surely not this AGAIN and this is not fr.wiki.—S Marshall T/C 17:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)