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*'''Delete''' No evidence of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources in the sources given in the article. I concur with the substance of {{u|Dabaqabad}}'s source analysis above. [[User:Eggishorn|<span style="background-color:#FF7400; color:#FFFFFF;">Eggishorn</span>]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 22:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' No evidence of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources in the sources given in the article. I concur with the substance of {{u|Dabaqabad}}'s source analysis above. [[User:Eggishorn|<span style="background-color:#FF7400; color:#FFFFFF;">Eggishorn</span>]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 22:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC) |
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**'''Note''' Hello {{ping|Eggishorn}}, maybe its worth noting that the above is a stark reversal of OP's stance largely beginning from last year whereupon said user describes this bio's subject as notable accross various articles, typically with the spelling "Deria Gure": [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deria_Arale&diff=1024405320&oldid=1021277369], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Musa_Abokor&diff=999618839&oldid=999616107], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohamed_Abokor&diff=996460379&oldid=996457274], to name a few examples. [[User:Heesxiisolehh|Heesxiisolehh]] ([[User talk:Heesxiisolehh|talk]]) 00:31, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
**'''Note''' Hello {{ping|Eggishorn}}, maybe its worth noting that the above is a stark reversal of OP's stance largely beginning from last year whereupon said user describes this bio's subject as notable accross various articles, typically with the spelling "Deria Gure": [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deria_Arale&diff=1024405320&oldid=1021277369], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Musa_Abokor&diff=999618839&oldid=999616107], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohamed_Abokor&diff=996460379&oldid=996457274], to name a few examples. [[User:Heesxiisolehh|Heesxiisolehh]] ([[User talk:Heesxiisolehh|talk]]) 00:31, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete (temporary)''' According to some sources listed, I could not find any word for "Diiriye Guure". However, I were not able to fully check some of the references because they were books but did not have page numbers marked on them. When the page number is provided, I will check again for references that I have. Also, Somali names are sometimes spelled differently, so if the name is spelled something other than "Diiriye Guure," Please also indicate the spelling in which it is written. If this point is not improved, it cannot be verified, so deletion on the grounds of notability is considered appropriate.--[[User:Freetrashbox|Freetrashbox]] ([[User talk:Freetrashbox|talk]]) 01:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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Most of the content in the article does not even cover who this Diiriye Guure is, and what he has done etc. Below is an inspection of all listed citations used in the article, in each instance the source either gives him a passing mention or fails to mention Diiriye Guure at all. The article tries to claim much bigger impact and importance than really exists, and the citations do not support the material, but have been added to puff up the article.
1 Only gives him a passing mention, listed among other senior Dervish leaders and commanders Haji Sudi and Deria Arale.
2 Likewise only mentions that him, along with other Dervish leaders like Deria Arale, Haji Sudi among others. An important thing to note is that the source is cited for this part: "Diiriye Guure (also spelled Deeria Goori or Deria Gure) was the 16th Garad of the Dhulbahante Garadate, who as Darawiish Garad was sought by British colonial administrators for apprehension via "unconditional surrender"". The source does not at all mention him as a garad nor does it mention a "Dhulbahante Garadate" at all.
3 This source does not mention this Diiriye Guure at all, yet is used for the following section: "During his tenure as successor to Garad Ali IV, thus becoming the Dhulbahante Garad, and as Dervish sultan, the Darawiish became among the most perseverant polities in the Horn of Africa during the period of the Scramble for Africa wherein European colonialists targeted Darawiish territories". Neither him nor this Garad Ali IV (who is actual mentioned in other sources) is mentioned in this source. (One thing to note is that this Garad Ali is mentioned in other sources, The Collapse of The Somali State: The Impact of the Colonial Legacy by Abdisalam M. Issa-Salwe mentions his assassination at the hand of Muhammed Abdullah Hassan at page 30.
4 This source does again give him a passing mention however does not mention him being the Dhulbahante "garad" or the "Darawiish sultan". All it does is mention that he was badly wounded at the Battle of Gunrburru and that he holds a position corresponding to the commanding Royal Engineer. While the source refers to him as well as other mentioned Dervish leaders as "heads" of their respective tribes, the source does not elaborate and a "head" is a very vague term. More on that here
5 First Footsteps in East Africa by Richard F. Burton (took the liberty to link the PDF btw) does not mention him at all, in addition to the first four paragraphs being irrelevant to this Diiriye Guure person. Most of the "Predecessors" section is unsourced as well.
6 Same source as 2, again no mention of Diiriye Guure or of Garad Ali. I tried looking far and wide (searched for "Garad", "Ali", "Garad Ali") however nothing popped up.
[7] I could not find the source for this one, which fails WP:VERIFY.
[8] This source hasn't been properly cited. After a bit of digging it turns out that the source is A Pastoral Democracy - A Study of Pastoralism and Politics Among the Northern Somali of the Horn of Africa by IM Lewis, which does not mention Diiriye Guure, nor does it mention these other two Garad Mohamed the 4th and Garad Aardheel.
[9] It was a bit hard to find the Oral poetry and Somali nationalism : the case of Sayyid Maḥammad ʻAbdille Ḥasan source. After some digging I did find a link (a few redirects are to be expected) and per usual, no mention of Diiriye Guure or this Koore-baas.
[10] Could not find the source. The blockquote fails to mention Diiriye Guure as a sultan or garad and mirrors source nr. 2.
11 No mention of Diiriye Guure, same source I discussed at nr. 3.
[12] Same as 9.
[13] There is no link for GUDBAN (GAAL-LEGED); Diiwaanka Gabayadii Sayid Maxamed Cabdulle Xasan, which fails WP:VERIFY. After a bit of digging I found the actual poem, which fails to mention Diiriye Guure.
[14] Again, no link for this one. I found the link to the actual poem which again fails to mention Diiriye Guure.
[15] Could not find this source, which fails WP:VERIFY.
[16] It was a bit hard to find this one. I did however find what seems to be the cited source in an online newspaper, which again fails to mention Diiriye Guure as well as his supposed younger brother "Maxmud Guure".
[17] Could not find this source, which fails WP:VERIFY
[18] Identical to [4].
[19] I looked through this source here and again, no mention of Diiriye Guure. No relevance to the subject either.
[20] No mention of Diiriye Guure nor is it relevant to the subject.
[21] No mention of Diiriye Guure nor is it relevant to the subject.
22 No mention of Diiriye Guure nor is it relevant to the subject.
This proves that this article fails WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. This article also fails WP:SYNTH, WP:GNG, WP:VERIFY, WP:NOR, WP:BASIC, and WP:NPOL, and judging by all this evidence the article could also qualify to be a hoax. Dabaqabad (talk) 18:23, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Somalia-related deletion discussions. Dabaqabad (talk) 18:23, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete No evidence of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources in the sources given in the article. I concur with the substance of Dabaqabad's source analysis above. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:54, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note Hello @Eggishorn:, maybe its worth noting that the above is a stark reversal of OP's stance largely beginning from last year whereupon said user describes this bio's subject as notable accross various articles, typically with the spelling "Deria Gure": [1], [2], [3], to name a few examples. Heesxiisolehh (talk) 00:31, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete (temporary) According to some sources listed, I could not find any word for "Diiriye Guure". However, I were not able to fully check some of the references because they were books but did not have page numbers marked on them. When the page number is provided, I will check again for references that I have. Also, Somali names are sometimes spelled differently, so if the name is spelled something other than "Diiriye Guure," Please also indicate the spelling in which it is written. If this point is not improved, it cannot be verified, so deletion on the grounds of notability is considered appropriate.--Freetrashbox (talk) 01:14, 12 December 2021 (UTC)